Skip to comments.Live Thread: Republican Presidential Debate in Jacksonville, FL on CNN 8 P.M. EST
Posted on 01/26/2012 3:56:03 PM PST by kristinn
Hosted by Wolf Blitzer at the University of North Florida in Jacksonville. Candidates: Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum and Ron Paul.
Word is the audience will be "allowed" to participate.
Didn’t the Florida Tea Party endorse Newt??
“If Sarah endorsed Santorum, it could put him over the top.”
So you think Palin could pull the lower conservative (Sant.) vote getter across the line, but not the higher conservative vote getter. I(Gingrich)
That political math doesn’t make sense.
Disagree with you. My husband had laser surgery and it saved his life. Thank you NASA. If you want to sit home and take herbs and vitimans that is fine but for others that feel it is a life or death matter to have the cancer removed..I would prefer the laser surgery. You do know that many people have also had cataracts removed by laser? it is a marvelous medical advancement. End of topic
Am watching the re-run.
I don’t feel Romney has had THAT great of a night. He’s had a few good moments, and also some very prickish moments that were quite offensive. Santorum also really roughed him up on healthcare and he was unable to respond in any convincing way.
However, Newt has once again stayed calm and focused, with eloquent answers. He knows himself. At times it almost seemed as if Wolf Blitzer was “feeding” the questions into Mitt who had his rehearsed answers at the ready.
Santorum — just looks simply loud mouthed and far too lawyerlike. His constant attacking gave me a headache listening to him. He seems to have one volume, one monotonous level. He’s right about a lot ...but he almost kind of scares me.
The space and moon idea, although it seems a little nutty, shows me how Romney thinks and what he’s all about. He’s a money guy. He thinks in one dimension. Yes, our country has money problems ...but it also has a problem of the soul — of a lack of creativity, of innovation, of proper and hopeful goals. I remember our country at the time we went to the moon — I was only 5 years old ..but it allowed me to grow up fiercely proud of being an American. To hear Romney tromp all over it and say he’d fire any employee who would propose it almost makes me want to cry.
Lots of Americans had “silly” ideas ...but all incredible American innovations started out as dreams in one way or another ...I’ll stop now, but I feel Romney just has no soul.
These are the voyages of the Starship Gingrich. It’s mission to boldly go where no man has gone before ....
Romney's like .......
-the last stale donut
-a white crayon
-a sock with a hole
-the heel at the bottom of the loaf
-a fine pocketknife with a broken blade
-a wrench when you need a hammer
Santorum is not evil, but he is completely establishment and has never been anything but in all his history. The only reason he did well tonight was that he and Paul were actually the only ones allowed by the moderator to concentrate on issues.
The mod was too busy trying to feed Gingrich to Romney on a personal level to even let Newt speak about the issues for almost the entire first half of the debate, even though Gingrich did at one point say that he wanted to talk about the things that mattered and not about these personal “gotcha” points.
“Santorum just looks simply loud mouthed and far too lawyerlike. His constant attacking gave me a headache listening to him. He seems to have one volume, one monotonous level. Hes right about a lot ...but he almost kind of scares me...
...Lots of Americans had silly ideas ...but all incredible American innovations started out as dreams in one way or another ...Ill stop now, but I feel Romney just has no soul.”
Right on both counts.
Santorum has a political career still ahead of him...he's not going to take the risks Newt will to get things done in Washington....this is Newt's final opportunity so he can give it his all. Santorum will not do so without predetermining how it will affect his career. And he's a big government guy ta boot!
So you think you have an inalienable right to own any arm including a nuclear arm?
Do you think the Declaration of Indepence is part of Sacred Scripture?
It is the Declaration of Independence written by men who says we have the rights. But where in Sacred Scripture are these rights found?
Name me an “absolute right”.
You might want to define what YOU think “absolute” means, while you are at it.
“Oh dont kid yourself the Rep-E get it. They dont wont to lead they want to suckle at the trough of $$$ fed by their Dem Masters.”
Interesting that they didn’t seem to have a problem with McCain over Romney, even though McCain was a bit unhinged and had a reputation for going after all the pork, including Mitt’s Winter Olympics $$$. So I’m not sure if it’s about the money.
But establishment means established and McCain had lots of connections after serving in the Senate for eons and that’s probably why he made it though.
You are correct that Romney simply doesn’t connect. He is spending a tremendous amount of money to try to force people to support hims (forget liking him) and the entire Republican establishment is pulling out all the stops to kill Newt.
Being in S. Florida I can only tell you it soon gets transparent. People catch on to the prickish stuff. I thought he stepped into a heaping pile when he started talking about how proud he is of his Swiss bank accounts and now we know his blind trust claim is bogus. He is a rich, self-absorbed guy who is throwing a lot of money around and I think it could well backfire.
My gut tells me that we haven’t seen Newt’s best yet. He is gathering huge crowds and getting good local press. He is saving his money for the end. Judging by last week, he can take down the Massachusetts Moderate fast. He just needs to pour it on and counter this junk. I just don’t see Romney pulling 40% of the vote. We will see...
I guess that means that Santorum knows that Thomas Jefferson is also a subject to God.
We went to the moon already. I’m not sure it’s really the job of government to make moon colonies.
But you know, if you are going to suddenly decide that we should spend money we borrow from China on a space program, the best place to say that politically is in Florida, right before the Florida primary.
“I just dont see Romney pulling 40% of the vote. We will see...”
He doesn’t have to if Santorum takes a bite out of Newt.
There’s mega people who will not vote for Romney if he gets the Primary. I won’t either..never.
I get a kick out of people thinking not voting for Romeny would be a vote for obama....which is nonsense. I’d prefer Obama over Romney as at least we know the cards he’s playing...Romney is so full of decpetion even he doesn’t know more than what he’s been programmed to say and do...and that by those who pull his strings....and they have a diobolical agenda you’ll never see.
Newt’s answer on Palestinians ...a HOME RUN!!!
(sorry, watching the re-run).
Sometimes I do have to appreciate Paul’s answers. They’re quick and to the point ...a huge relief after some of Santorum’s and/or Romney’s rants.
You are saying that an “absolute right” is an absolute right, and defining an “absoute right” as a right that you have stripped down to the point where it is absolute.
So for example you say “if you have a right to own a gun, it’s an absolute right”. But a felon can’t own a gun. “Oh, well then the non-felon has the absolute right”. But you can’t own a gun if you are crazy, or if you have a restraining order on you. “Well yes, but they just didn’t have the absolute right to own a gun that the other people who DO have an absolute right has”.
So I guess you win. If you have an absolute right, it is absolute. So there are “absolute rights”, in the sense that until you reach the circumstance where your right to something ends, it appears to you at least to be “absolute”, by a bizarre definition of absolute that has no value.
Because if I, as a non-felon, non-crazy person, have an “absolute right” to own a gun, and then I do something stupid with the gun, I could lose the “absolute right” to own that gun. And if the right can be taken away from ANYBODY due to a change in circumstance, then that right is not “absolute” by the rational definition of that term.
You should also look up the word “inalienable”. It doesn’t mean what you seem to think it means.
I am glad I have a witness. And from TEXAS no less! ;-)
The point is that the “Decleration of Independence” not being a part of Sacared Scripture has no ‘right’ to speak about what God has granted.
I realize it’s politically advantageous for Newt to speak about the moon program being in Florida. But Newt said himself 90% of what he proposes would be private sector focused.
Newt is trying to tease out the idea of AMERICANS achieving these dreams ...not government controlling those dreams. As president, he’d urge us on ... he’d do his job, and we could be released to do ours.
Romney just behaves as if he’d be the gatekeeper of all ideas and that if HE thought it was a bad idea, it coudln’t get done. He can just buzz off.
Well, Perry was ahead of everybody, and then he wasn’t. Then Cain was ahead of everybody, and then he wasn’t, and before that he was polling 4%. Newt was written off by good conservatives and the rest of the electorate back in May, and polled horribly, and then one day all the Cain people decided to love Newt, and now he is ahead of everybody.
If He suddenly ISN’T ahead of everybody, maybe his supporters will jump to Santorum, and Santorum can take his turn in front of everybody.
Why was it completely possible for Newt to suddenly jump to the front after languishing, but impossible for Santorum to do the same? He was actually coming on pretty good in South Carolina before Newt’s ex-wife attacked him, and Newt won the wife-nagging sympathy vote.
No, because we are all stupid compared to Newt. He’s the smartest man in the world, that’s how he got to be a history major.
With all the speculation lately of Santorum dropping out and supporting Romney, how do you know it’s not Romney he’s taking a bite out of. If you’re a Newt supporter and you still want to win and you’re guy still is polling in the 30’s and not that far away, what sense does it make to give your vote to a guy who’s in the teens?
“Why was it completely possible for Newt to suddenly jump to the front after languishing, but impossible for Santorum to do the same? He was actually coming on pretty good in South Carolina before Newts ex-wife attacked him, and Newt won the wife-nagging sympathy vote.”
Because Newt has follow through with his speeches and the fact that he pushed for Contract with America all the way until it was signed into law by a Dem prez. All Santorum had to do was cast his vote.
I never said that.
Do you think there is no inalienable right to own a gun?
Soon-to-be President Gingrich's closing statement about why he's the best person to beat Obama was a GRAND SLAM, a HAT TRICK and a 3-POINT SHOT all in one.
Obama is utterly doomed and Newt Gingrich will be the man to rid America of this pestilence.
Go Newt Go! Rebellion is in full swing!
You go!!! Great post untwist... and thank you very much for voting for Newt! I am fully in for Newt and nothing will stop that...it’s either Newt or nothing at all!
btw...were Newt to wake up in the morning, says he’s old and tired and we need a young man and quit and endorse Rick and give him all his campaign cash which Rick would desperately need
I think I can safely say we would all follow his lead to Rick...almost to a man or woman on this forum
but that is unlikely
why would someone with twice the support in national polls do such a thing?
Actually Newt had some good answers but they really didn’t go to Conservative philosophy question which is where he shines.
Pray for America
“With all the speculation lately of Santorum dropping out and supporting Romney, how do you know its not Romney hes taking a bite out of. If youre a Newt supporter and you still want to win and youre guy still is polling in the 30s and not that far away, what sense does it make to give your vote to a guy whos in the teens?”
Because they’d think Newt can’t make it through all the attacks and his debate performance wasn’t as amazing as it was hyped up to be.
Yes they did! :)
Oh yes...and CNN even stated after that "Wolf" was the "other" winner against Newt. Can you believe it!
I'll be looking forward to Newt's responses tomorrow but he's sure been taking more than just heat this week....am just praying he comes out of the Primary ALIVE!
What does Casey Anthony have to do with Jacksonville? The jury wasn't from Jacksonville. The trial was in Orlando and the jurors were picked from Pinellas County.
“Oh yes...and CNN even stated after that “Wolf” was the “other” winner against Newt. Can you believe it!”
I warned of this. That Newt gave away his weakness when he said he wanted audience participation. They figured out how to counter.
Not to pick nits, but you do know that the “contract with america” wasn’t a contract, didn’t pass, and wasn’t signed by anybody, right?
It was a set of 10 principles, a few of which made it into bills, and a couple of which did get signed, while most did not.
Anyway, it’s not going to be decided by comments here. If Newt has staying power, the polls will turn around and he’ll win. If not, he’ll keep slipping in the polls and will lose.
We’ve already lost Perry too early. We need Santorum in the race so if Newt self-destructs by making up friends, by using liberal arguments, or for any other reason, we’ll still have SOMEONE to vote for other than Ron Paul.
One thing I think people are missing. Before the “non-Romney” choice became clearly Newt, a lot of people were on the sidelines, clearly NOT supporting Romney. Newt scares some of them enough that they came out FOR Romney. If Santorum had been the one to take the lead, I doubt HALF those “establishment” people would have spoken against him and for Romney.
Newt is the one candidate on our side that actually pushes some people TO Romney. That’s not a reason to oppose Newt, obviously. But it’s a reason to at least be prepared for Newt to collapse, and for us to need another candidate in 2 weeks. I wish that other candidate was Rick Perry. (If Perry was still here instead of Newt, my Governor wouldn’t have endorsed Romney for example).
But it’s not Rick Perry, so Santorum better stick around. Sorry that this “splits the vote” — clearly though there are a lot of conservatives who hate Gingrich enough that they would rather split the vote and vote for Santorum, KNOWING that helps Romney.
If every conservative currently supporting Gingrich voted for Santorum, it would do the job just as well as having all Santorum supporters vote for Gingrich. The argument seems to be that since fewer have to switch if Santorum quits, he should quit. But what will Gingrich people argue if by next week Gingrich isn’t polling so well?
I guess Perry could always jump back in. He is on the ballot already.
There may be more high tech around than you think: It even significantly affects items as seemingly mundane as loudspeakers (though I’ll grant you that speakers with nanotube cones are not in my budget range!)
However, you are absolutely right: The sciences and math are not given enough attention in our present educational system, and there is relatively little “out there” to encourage interest. Even Star Trek in the various series always had an engineer who was often a hero in his own way — and THAT Trek has gone by the wayside, with no real replacement. We live in a world of miracles at every turn, yet few stop to think of or appreciate how those miracles came to be, or how the changing needs of the future will be fulfilled. Every perceptive person I know in the “tech” fields outside of computer software is worried about (as a whole) the next generation’s incompetence, and what it means for the U.S. It used to be that the worry was staying ahead of those coming up!
Sorry but you lose me on this one.
I LOVE SPACE stuff. ALL of it.
It is a breath of fresh air in a way to depressing state of our country. We NEED something to look forward to and this is it for me!
Who do you think Palin’s supporters currently are backing? If Santorum, why do you think that would be? If Gingrich, how does her endorsement help him?
From what I see here, Palin supporters jumped to Cain, and then to Gingrich.
But seriously, I don’t think Palin’s endorsement could put Santorum over the top. It’s as silly as someone saying her endorsement could put Gingrich over the top. That was the point I was trying to make — that her supporters aren’t currently sitting on the sidelines, or supporting Romney, and I think they are mostly already supporting Gingrich.
It’s different when a candidate quits, because they have people who support THEM, and those people have to find a new candidate. Palin doesn’t have any people currently voting for her that would change to another candidate.
BTW, I think her value is in declaring Gingrich a conservative, for those few who still argue he isn’t — but she did that in South Carolina with her “vote for Gingrich in South Carolina” call.
Well said although the heel at the bottom of the loaf may be of use if soups on.
You twist logic..
A non-felon has an absolute right to own a gun. If you become a felon then you are no longer a non felon.
Your argument doesn’t stand up well in light of what’s going on. Who says Newt can’t stand up in the face of the attacks? How much of an attack has there ever been against Santorum in this campaign? Almost none. He is a nice guy but in the context of this Florida primary I can tell you he is considered an also-ran, as is Ron Paul. If you don’t believe me, just check the Sun-Sentinel, Miami Herald or Orland Sun.
If you think a strong debate performance has moved the S. Florida Hispanic vote, or the panhandle military vote away from Newt and to Santorum in any substantial numbers, this is not the case. This is a 2-man race for Florida.
I am not saying that Rick is not worthy of respect, but he is not going to finish anywhere but 3rd and don’t expect that a lot of pissed off conservatives who have seen Romney’s and the establishment’s dirty campaigning against Newt play out here are now going to reward Romney by voting for Rick Santorum. We still have 5 days to go. By Tuesday, this debate will be a distant memory, just as Newt’s fantastic debates last week are a distant memory now.
Kristinn, can’t the FL Tea Parties put a stop to Romney’s people sabotaging Newt’s events? Our people need to stalk the media and counter those infiltrators.
I recall hearing that the “new” mission of NASA was to make muzzies feel good about themselves. I think 0bama chose his administrators well. They have little imagination, but boy, can they count beans!
Hmm, all that pork...and beans...and muzzies....But Newt calling for vision and innovation annoys some, even here on FR? Ouch.
The “magic underwear” are technically known as Temple garments. (I’m not LDS myself, but I spent a summer in Utah once, and an ex-Mormon told me some of the FUNNIEST stories about the “garments!”)
Yeah! This fight is not over!
what if Paul dropped out and endorsed Newt?
what if Paul dropped out and endorsed Newt?