Skip to comments.Live Thread: Republican Presidential Debate in Jacksonville, FL on CNN 8 P.M. EST
Posted on 01/26/2012 3:56:03 PM PST by kristinn
Hosted by Wolf Blitzer at the University of North Florida in Jacksonville. Candidates: Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum and Ron Paul.
Word is the audience will be "allowed" to participate.
Newt pointed out in his speech that, indeed, government is ill-suited to do the development. Instead, the idea is to provide an environment and incentives for that development (of space and technology.)
Now, that said, the prospect of the Chinese setting up permanent shop on the moon first IS a concern of the U.S. Government. Just for starters, that means, at some point, the Chinese surpass us in aviation and space technology. Think about what that means. And that’s just for starters. The Chinese are no fools. They are very smart, very ambitious, very hard workers, and, at this time in our civilization, better long term planners. They absolutely know what they are about.
As to your other point, in younger years, Gingrich was a reader of speculative fiction (Asimov, etc.) and the old “techie” rocket mags, so I hardly think his ideas are completely new, at least not to him. They certainly are not new to a lot of us in tech areas of work. But I think it took Obama management of NASA to make it clear just how far we have sunk. So, at some point you re-focus and re-fire: Are you saying there is a better place and time than the Florida primary to do so?
BTW, from a discussion on another thread I know you are a fellow music-lover: You really ought to hear those carbon nanotube diaphragm speakers! Pricey now, yes, but like early computers, they are but a foretaste of things to come. :-)
So many of us conservatives are saying we will never vote for Mitt and will allow obama to win. That means that the GOP is over and we form a new party. My question is, why do we only say this to each other? Why don’t we bombard the establishment with e-mails telling them what is going to happen if they force Mitt on us?
“Hmm, all that pork...and beans...and muzzies....”
AHA! The fuel source for continuous boost propulsion is at hand!
(Ok, I know, it’s getting late!)
In case anyone has not seen it, they should, even if they are not a Gingrich supporter:
(Maybe especially if they are not a Gingrich supporter.)
Gingrich remarks are 26+ minutes long, so watch it over dinner or something?
Santorum, honorable? He’s a bottom feeder. He’s been sliming the conservatives in the race since day one. If Romney is the gutter King, then Santorum is the court jester.
God, I hope youre wrong. And for the life of me, I dont understand Santorum at ALL. He KNOWS he cant win. He KNOWS his presence only helps Romney. WHAT is up with this guy??? Does he care about this country AT ALL???
The media hasn’t paid much attention to him but that doesn’t mean he isn’t viable. Look at the real clear politics graphs. Anything can happen. he is trying to run for the nomination. If newt were not in it, it would be him vs Romney. And he could then win. He’s more conservative and has far more character than newt, and now he’s shown us tonight that he can fight and debate, too. We don’t need Newt and his baggage any more. Though a lot of you are tied to newt. I got used to having to look at other candidates because I was a Sarah fan, then a Cain fan. This year one has to be flexible!
Newt is a visionary - Mitt can only see as far as his pocket.
He hasn’t had one idea about anything. It’s always - our country needs to put people back to work and he’s the one to fix it. He is SO FLAT in his answers, it’s pathetic. He never really answers the questions but says something so it looks like the question is being answered.
Mitt couldn’t touch Newt’s ideas - much less understand them. He doesn’t have the mind for it. Neither does santorum. There aren’t that many visionaries and they are usually open to ridicule because the average person just can’t reach that high. Newt really would make one awesome president. America would be greatly enriched.
Standing firm with my tag-line is too much to ask, eh?
“Were Rick in Newt’s shoes the Romney-GOP smear machine would be on him as well...but that fact eludes them “
Exactly! Very well put!
I’m so disgusted with the GOP now. This time, it’s war as far as I’m concerned.
You need a Paulbot zot.
Lots of Americans had silly ideas ...but all incredible American innovations started out as dreams in one way or another ...Ill stop now, but I feel Romney just has no soul.
Well put. Money problems are one thing. Problems of lacking soul are quite another... and much worse.
Santorum is right on the abortion question. Governor Perry made the same statement last month. More than half of women who are raped choose to carry their babies to term, currently, but the false and illicitly-legal “right to choose” makes it harder for them. The ultimate government interference is to allow licensed and regulated professions to decide who is and who is not human enough to be protected from killing.
Also, I’d bet that Santorum doesn’t bring the subject up, but is quizzed by semi-hostile questioners.
The rest of mylife’s objections, though, show us his bigger government streak, which I don’t like. We don’t need more interference in our lives. We certainly don’t need a President so willing to cross the aisle, and who forgets to come back to our side.
Yes, but can you show that any of the points I made is not true? Unfortunately, it’s “a load of crap” that Newt carries around with him.
I waited for him to talk about his conversion all night. He really blew his chance to talk about turning his life around when he was asked about wives.
Rick Santorum had a tremendous night; he did better than I could have anticipated. He’s looking more and more Presidential to me.
It is a breath of fresh air in a way to depressing state of our country. We NEED something to look forward to and this is it for me!
Our finances are in a mess, Obama has run around the world apologizing for the USA, we hear all the time how much China is moving up on us, we see exciting images and stories of all the building going on over in China.
Our schools teach our children America sucks. We all are quite aware of the dire situation this country is in and I think Gingrich is trying to show us there can be bright things to look forward to as well.
Like the quote Santorum used about his wife....
A friend is someone who knows the song in your heart and can sing it back to you when you have forgotten the words. - Bernard Meltzer
It seems to me Gingrich is singing back that song that he knows is in our heart—the song that we’ve forgotten the words to.
I don’t only want our country out of debt, I want us on top of everything again. I want our pride and dreams back.
I just saw on Thursday that India has fired rockets successfully that have the range to reach all of China’s cities. Maybe we could let India cover our butt there and devote some money to a moon base.
You must not have followed my posts? I do agree with Newt
so who got the tickets,
The lady from the county GOP said 3,000 seats were there but only 800 tickets went out.
The establishment yet again pops it;s ugly head and puts their stooges in the room to give RINO Romney the cheers, makes me sick and I will now never vote for that establishment RINO Romney, I;ve just had as my family has
I read a poster on another thread who said he had been told when he tried to get a ticket that the rest of them had gone to and been distributed by the RNC. So that explains the Romney cheering section.
Rick Santorum had a tremendous night; he did better than I could have anticipated. Hes looking more and more Presidential to me.
Hes a handsome man
and he smiled a lot..
an easy natural grin..
I think he enjoyed last night...
When you mentioned looking presidential it made me wonder..
Has Rick ever stood right next to the old matinee idol Romney ???
or do they keep them apart so nobody sees the glaring contrast ???
Last might was one of those nights Romney looked real old and haggard
old enough to be Ricks father...
and while Romney drags out every debates “my five sons”
Rick tops him every time with 7 children (he mentioned all 8 last night)
and of course theres the fact that Rick too has been married to just one woman..
and then theres the social issues..Rick is pro-life etc..
Romney must hate Rick with a passion...
If that is a poll number, then no, it means absolutely nothing. Check out all the polls so far in this primary season.
Set up all the way.
Perry was trashed repeatedly here. When he dropped out and endorsed Newt, suddenly he was everyone’s hero. if Newt implodes, were stuck with Romney. Santorum should stay in as Plan B. He does best when articulating the issue, not trashing the others. He comes across as a childish and petty backstabber.
I hope he starts talking more about CUTTING GOVERNMENT SPENDING along with the things he wants to do. His message should be more about that and what the AMERICAN PEOPLE can do with LESS GOVERNMENT.
Wacky? Would you have said putting a man on the moon was wacky in the 1960s? This is a frontier nation. Space exploration is something I’m deeply interested in. We used to talk a lot about having bases on the moon when I was growing up and at some point that sense of imagination and exploration sadly fell by the wayside.
Romney doesn’t care about Santorum (who shares a lot of his positions anyway) and hasn’t wasted any time or money on attacking him with the vicious personal attacks he has launched on Gingrich. He doesn’t need to because Santorum is no threat.
Romney has outspent Gingrich by 5-1 in Florida. Also, Santorum’s attacks on Gingrich in SC were pretty nasty and personal also, so I think the two of them tag-team each other.
I agree with you. I haven’t seen Santorum next to Romney in the debates I have seen. Usually they stick him next to his current competitor. For awhile it was Perry, and now it’s Gingrich. As far as Romney hating Santorum, if he didn’t before, I’m sure he does now after Santorum took him to the cleaners on healthcare last night.
I called it 1st!
I missed a lot of zots last night. WOW. Better find and update my list soon.
Just talked to a pal of mine who also tried and failed to get tickets and he just said a similar thing to me.
He said that he was told that the tickets would be distributed out by the RNC and that less than half would go to the public.
This is outrageous what the establishment is doing, disgusting.
They have gone all out to get this man and they saw how the crowd in SC worked for Newt so they now stacked the crowd with their lot to give Romney a boost
Livius, I’;m near you in the same town but we’re mostly , infact nearly all conservatives here. I admit down town is bad due to the artsy lot and the students but get away form there and you’re sound.
Our county does not even have a Dem in power and totally run by republicans
Forget the fact that Santorum was on of the biggest spenders in the Senate, and he backed Arlen Specter, and his voting record resembles that of Lindsay Graham and Olympia Snowe. Not to mention that he is absolutely proud of his record of sucking up every Earmark that ever became available to him.
No, those things don't matter, when you are sold a THE only “Conservative” in the race, especially when Santorum’s very moderate to Liberal record is completely overlooked or not even considered as a main criteria in evaluating him as a candidate.
Just remember, all that matters is the emotional involvement that voters take with them to the polls.
Cool yer jets kid...
go back and read what I wrote...
or is it that you are upset because last night your Willie Mitty looked more like a double for Scrooge than Brad Pitt ???
His second mistake, was when he made me show him my identification after I let him get back up off the floor. His eyes almost popped out of his head when he saw my combat status and current Military ID. (That is when the profuse apologies started my way, and I laughed harder than I had in over 2 years.)
And yes, I actually read what you posted several times before I posted to you. And what I said, still stands.
Now, you are accusing me of being a Romney supporter?
For that, I do require an appology!
When the crowd laughed and clapped at just about everything Romney said, it was obvious the audience was stacked. Especially glaring was when he was mocking Gingrich for tailoring his campaign remarks to each city he was campaigning in. How absolutely jerkified was Romney on that? He doesn’t care about any of the states or the people that reside in them, he only cares about winning.
He and his cheering section absolutely sicken me.
Did you notice how many question ended with Newt Gingrich said xxxxx, basically pitching a softball and inviting an attack on Newt, I was disgusted with Wolf. And Santorum plagiarizing a Newt speech at the end of a debate finished Santorum for me. Not that I was ever going to vote Santorum, but that was a bit much.
Well said. In a true debate, as opposed to this stilted media circus, I suspect Gingrich would eat everyone else’s lunch.
They can’t. The events are open to the public and all the Romney people are doing is talking to the press to counter Gingrich, not disrupting his events.
I think you just summarized WHY I am so in the tank for Newt!
Sadly, though, there are so many greedy lunkheads in this country, we’ll pass up our chance to have him as president. I can only pray we don’t. People just sometimes refuse to better themselves ...
Great graphic! Flame Thrower Zot!!
High praise, coming from you. Thanks.
You are just saying that a person has an absolute right to own a gun, until the day they no longer have that absolute right, and then they can’t own a gun.
In this case, your trigger is “they become a felon”; but an absolute right would be a right you had no matter what you did with it. A right cannot be an “absolute right” if it can be taken away.
I have the absolute right to my own opinion. There are probable other internalized “absolute rights”. Some rights are more universal than others — I have nearly the absolute right to life (realize we are talking about “absolute” relative to state action, not the “natural order” of things). There are a limited number of cases where the state finds that I have forfeited my right to life — but they do exist, for example if I kill another human being, then my right to life may no longer exist.
inalienable, in law means “Not subject to sale or transfer; inseparable.”
You could say we are arguing over definitions. You could even say the argument is circular on both sides - if there truly were no such thing as an “absolute right”, there would be no point in having the term “absolute right”. Why have a name for something that can’t exist?
But obviously that was not what Rick was talking about. He was correctly noting that NONE of our rights as expressed in the constitution are truly “absolute”, they all have boundaries. Your right to freely move your fist ends where my face begins.
The left treats rights as the freedom to impose their will on others. That is clearly something we need to fight back on.
If early death is ok by you, then I guess it is end of topic for you.
But if health and long life are desirable, then medical intervention has to be rejected; it is at best ineffective, and in modt cases hastens the end of life.
The body naturally removes cancer, arterial plaque, and malformations if fed real food. The NASA hype just clouds the mind.
“Does he care about this country AT ALL???”
He cares about his ego and nothing else. ME, ME, ME, ME,
It is all about me. “I’m the one that really done all those things that Speaker Gingrich is talking about. I was the one everyone came to with problems. ME, ME, ME”.
Throughout the history of the US, the USSC has repeatedly upheld the view expressed by Santorum, including justices such as Alito and Thomas. Your “roll tape” demonstrates your total misunderstanding if you believe Santorum is wrongheaded based on those quotes.
“and of course theres the fact that Rick too has been married to just one woman..
and then theres the social issues..Rick is pro-life etc..
Romney must hate Rick with a passion...”
If Willard the liberal thought Santorum was a threat he would air an AD telling the world that Santorum’s wife shacked up with an abortion doctor for years before her and Santorum were married. You better believe they know about the story. If he were a threat ABC would interview the doctor.