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Is Now The Time To Move Away From Major U.S. Cities?
The American Dream ^ | 1-26-2012 | Michael Snyder

Posted on 01/26/2012 4:44:50 PM PST by blam

Is Now The Time To Move Away From Major U.S. Cities?

January 26, 2011

As the U.S. economy falls apart and as the world becomes increasingly unstable, more Americans than ever are becoming "preppers". It is estimated that there are at least two million preppers in the United States today, but nobody really knows. The truth is that it is hard to take a poll because a lot of preppers simply do not talk about their preparations.
Your neighbor could be storing up food in the garage or in an extra bedroom and you might never even know it. An increasing number of Americans are convinced that we are on the verge of some really bad things happening.
But will just storing up some extra food and supplies be enough? What is going to happen if we see widespread rioting in major U.S. cities like George Soros is predicting? What is going to happen if the economy totally falls to pieces and our city centers descend into anarchy like we saw in New Orleans during the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina? In some major U.S. cities such as Detroit, looting is already rampant.
There are some sections of Detroit where entire blocks of houses are being slowly dismantled by thieves and stripped of anything valuable. Sadly, the economy is going to get a lot worse than it is at the moment. So is now the time to move away from major U.S. cities? Should preppers be seeking safer locations for themselves and their families? Those are legitimate questions.

According to a recent Gallup poll, satisfaction with the government is now at an all-time low. Americans are rapidly losing faith in virtually every major institution in society.

Anger and frustration are rising to very dangerous levels, and we are rapidly approaching a boiling point.

When people feel as though they have lost everything, they get desperate.

And desperate people do desperate things.

In many communities in the United States today, crime has become so terrifying that people are literally sleeping with their guns.

The following is a story from Rancho Cordova, California that one of my readers recently sent me....

When I first moved here, it was not a bad place, it was quiet and clean.

However, over the past three years this place has gone to the dumps there are thugs and unruly people everywhere.

I have prevented two car break-ins by scaring these thugs away.

While I was home on thanksgiving weekend, someone decided to break into my apartment.

They trashed my place stole all my items and even took my law enforcement (LE) vehicle to include my equipment.

I m sure they had been watching me for a while because they did not take items that contained my identification.

Thank god, I had my weapon with me.

In many areas of the country, law enforcement resources are being dramatically cut back due to budget problems at the same time that crime is rapidly rising.

Right now, the city of Detroit is teetering on the verge of bankruptcy. Officials there recently announced that due to budget constraints, all police stations will be closed to the public for 16 hours a day. From now on, they will only be open to the public from 8 AM to 4 PM.

But in Detroit the police are needed now more than ever. The following is what one British reporter found during his visit to Detroit....

Much of Detroit is horribly dangerous for its own residents, who in many cases only stay because they have nowhere else to go. Property crime is double the American average, violent crime triple. The isolated, peeling homes, the flooded roads, the clunky, rusted old cars and the neglected front yards amid trees and groin-high grassland make you think you are in rural Alabama, not in one of the greatest industrial cities that ever existed.

The population of Detroit is less than half of what it used to be. Over the past few decades people have left in droves, and large sections of the city are in an advanced state of decay.

Not too many people want to buy homes in Detroit now. At this point, the median price of a home in Detroit is just $6000.

The following video contains some video footage of the "ruins of Detroit" that is hard to believe.....

(Go to the site to see a video)

Detroit has become a very scary place. 100 bus drivers in Detroit recently refused to drive their routes out of fear of being attacked on the streets. The head of the bus drivers union, Henry Gaffney, said that the drivers were literally "scared for their lives"....

“Our drivers are scared, they’re scared for their lives. This has been an ongoing situation about security. I think yesterday kind of just topped it off, when one of my drivers was beat up by some teenagers down in the middle of Rosa Parks and it took the police almost 30 minutes to get there, in downtown Detroit,” said Gaffney.

But it is not just Detroit that is having these kinds of problems.

In Cleveland, over 50 percent of all children are living in poverty and abandoned houses are everywhere.

The city has already demolished about 1,000 homes, and there is a plan to demolish 20,000 more homes. The following comes from a recent CBS News report by Scott Pelley....

Perfectly good homes, worth 75, 100 thousand dollars or more a couple of years ago, are being ripped to splinters in Cleveland, Cuyahoga County, Ohio. Here, the great recession left one fifth of all houses vacant. The owners walked away because they couldn't or wouldn't keep paying on a mortgage debt that can be twice the value of the home. Cleveland waited four years for home values to recover and now they've decided to face facts and bury the dead.

Down in St. Louis they have a different problem. In some of the worst areas of the city, roving packs of wild dogs are a serious threat to children that are walking to school. A recent report by the local CBS affiliate in St. Louis described the situation this way....

...Lewis Reed is sounding the alarm. "I’ve witnessed packs of dogs, 10 and 15 dogs running together, and I’ve seen all these dogs I’m talking about they don’t have collars, they don’t have tags, these are truly wild dogs," he said.

Reed says stray dogs are terrorizing the north side. "It’s obscene that parents have to walk their kids to school, in some parts of the city, with a golf club to fend off wild dogs."

How would you feel if you had to fend off wild packs of dogs as you walked your child to school?

These kinds of conditions can be found out on the west coast as well.

For example, there is an area of San Francisco that is known as "Hunter's Point" that is an absolute nightmare. In Hunter's Point, over half of the population lives in poverty and more than half of all children live in a home where there is no father present. The following is what one reporter discovered on a visit to Hunter's Point....

Abernathy and I cut through the complex, tromping over an expanse of dirt and concrete toward the northeast end of the development, where a row of apartments looked down from a grassy hill. We paused next to a vacant, boarded-over unit to take in the scene: A stream of ****, piss, tampons, and toilet paper spewed from a dark hole in the sidewalk, poured down the hill, and formed a sort of **** lagoon next to the street. Weeds, about six inches tall, were growing in the little lagoon.

Raw ****, obviously, is not cool. Beyond the fact that it smells and looks nasty, fecal matter provides a haven for dangerous bacteria, most notably E. coli, a virulent pathogen that can sicken and even kill humans, especially infants.

When conditions like this reign, it is a prime breeding ground for crime.

In major U.S. cities all over the United States, drug dealing, gang activity and prostitution are on the rise. The following comes from a recent article in the New York Times....

In November, a terrified 13-year-old girl pounded on an apartment door in Brooklyn. When a surprised woman answered, the girl pleaded for a phone. She called her mother, and then dialed 911.

The girl, whom I’ll call Baby Face because of her looks, frantically told police that a violent pimp was selling her for sex. He had taken her to the building and ordered her to go to an apartment where a customer was waiting, she said, and now he was waiting downstairs to make sure she did not escape. She had followed the pimp’s directions and gone upstairs, but then had pounded randomly on this door in hopes of getting help.

In some major U.S. cities, the gangs have virtually taken over. In an article entitled "City of Ruins", Chris Hedges described what life is like today in Camden, New Jersey....

There are perhaps a hundred open-air drug markets, most run by gangs like the Bloods, the Latin Kings, Los Nietos and MS-13. Knots of young men in black leather jackets and baggy sweatshirts sell weed and crack to clients, many of whom drive in from the suburbs. The drug trade is one of the city's few thriving businesses. A weapon, police say, is never more than a few feet away, usually stashed behind a trash can, in the grass or on a porch.

As I wrote about the other day, the FBI says that there are now 1.4 million gang members inside this country. That number has increased by 40 percent since 2009.

Organized criminal behavior by groups of young people is on the rise all over the nation. Just check out this video which shows a flash mob robbery happening in Montgomery County, Maryland.

Sadly, this is just the beginning.

This country is still enjoying a tremendous amount of prosperity. We still have a very high standard of living compared to most of the rest of the world.

So how nightmarish are things going to get when the economy gets really bad?

The most frightening thing is when these criminals start invading private homes.

The following home invasion story from Sacramento, California was sent to me by one of my readers a while back....

Somebody got into my sister's house last night while she was out. My mom was upstairs, but didn't hear anything. Whoever it was, they ate some chips and sorted through a stack of maternity clothes my sister had ready for selling on ebay. He left a dirty pair of boxer shorts and a bottom dentures on the dining room table. Fortunately, he was gone when she got home. I'm amazed, but the police actually came out and collected fingerprints and his boxers and false teeth. Probably a homeless guy. He may have switched his dirty boxers for a clean pair of maternity jeans, so the police just have to look for a guy wearing women's maternity pants with no lower teeth.

Because of stuff like this, an increasing number of Americans have decided that it is better to be armed.

The truth is that you never know when you will get jumped.

For example, in Pennsylvania the other day one 65-year-old man was suddenly knocked off his bicycle by three teen thugs.

The 65-year-old man responded by pulling out his gun and shooting two of them. One of the teens was killed.

Down along the border with Mexico, many ranchers have discovered that a gun battle could potentially erupt on any night. The federal government has refused to protect the border, and so millions of illegals just keep streaming on in. The following was recently posted on

Barbed wire fencing doesn’t keep illegal aliens off the property anymore. One Starr County, TX rancher doesn’t have time to worry about the illegals these days. He now worries about the smugglers protecting their loads.

“I don’t think they would have any conscience of taking someone’s life,” the rancher says.

He saw that will to kill firsthand. A smuggler shot at him on his own land.

“One round was fired at me, and it missed my head by about two feet,” says the rancher.

He says there’s only way to react.

“Fire all the rounds you have, reload, and do it again,” says the rancher.

The more stories like this you read, the easier it is to understand why more than 10 million guns were sold in the United States during 2011.

The truth is that you never know when you may need to defend yourself.

This past New Year's Eve, a single mother named Sarah McKinley was home alone with her three-month old son when she discovered that two armed men were trying to invade her home. If she had not had a gun, there is no telling what might have happened. The following is from a news story about that incident....

An Oklahoma woman was recently home with her 3 month old son when two men tried to break in. Armed with a shot gun and a pistol she called 9-1-1.

Operator: "Are your doors locked?"

Caller: "Yes, I've got two guns in my hand. Is it ok to shoot him if he comes in this door?"

Operator: "I can't tell you what you can do but you do what you have to do to protect your baby."

The mother did shoot killing one of the intruders. Oklahoma police called the shooting justified.

What would you have done in that situation?

America is rapidly changing, and we all need to adapt to the new reality all around us.

The truth is that America is not the same place it used to be. In some U.S. cities, authorities are actually dumping dead bodies into mass graves.

Just check out what the Daily Mail says has been going on in Chicago....

It's a practice more closely associated with third world countries, but in bleak times in a Chicago-area suburb, 30 people were buried in a mass grave on Wednesday.

The pauper's burial section at Homewood Memorial Gardens was established for those who could not afford to pay for a burial plot.

And it is a problem that's sweeping America as tough economic times have led to an increase in the number of indigent burials the morgue must perform.

All over the country, major U.S. cities are flat broke and are rapidly decaying. They are filled with impoverished people that are rapidly becoming angrier and more frustrated.

There simply are not enough jobs for everyone. Millions of ordinary Americans spend their days agonizing over the fact that they cannot provide even a basic living for themselves and their families.

And as the economy gets even worse, the economic despair in this country is going to grow to unprecedented levels.

So is now the time to move away from major U.S. cities?

In the end, each of us is going to have to answer that question for ourselves.

Jobs are scarce, so if you have a good job right now it may not be wise to give it up. It can be incredibly challenging to move to a new area when you don't have a job.

One solution may be to move farther away from your current job so that you are in a more rural setting. But the rising cost of gasoline can make that a very expensive proposition.

Some families are purchasing second homes that they can "bug out" to in the event of a major disaster or emergency. But if your financial resources are limited that may not be an option for you.

In the final analysis, you have just got to do the best you can with what you have.

But if you are able to move, it is better to do it while times are relatively stable (like now) than when times are very unstable.

So what do all of you think?

Do you think that now is the time to move away from major U.S. cities?

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KEYWORDS: collapse; corruption; crime; cwii; doommonger; economy; getreadyhereitcomes; kookstuff; prepperping; selfreliance; survivalping
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To: Travis McGee; Jack Black

Ping list ping.

61 posted on 01/26/2012 7:58:41 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

We’ve checked and the Google Earth maps have our USPS-certified address at several different places, none of them accurate. Spokeo and related types of sites have wildly inaccurate information.

Do they use GPS?

It may actually help that our particular rural area is liberal. Our county gets all sorts of perks.

That all said, the average discussion around here these days is about off-grid sustainability and no one seems to want to be a haven for looters.

IMO, not having an IPhone, not using Google, not signing up for social media, putting any ID or credit card in a shielded sleeve and (inadvertently, in our case) having a professional identity that differs from ones legal name all help. The government, of course, knows where we all are, but they can be confused and maybe even delayed by various means.

I don’t think they are going to come after our essentially pitiful stashes of food, etc. They have high tech bunkers for the connected and will take over stadiums and abandoned malls for the punters, who will be provided with rations from the hundreds of millions of freeze-dried meals they purchased last year. They will just embargo those of us out in the Disadvantaged Areas while maintaining their street mercs in the cities.

We won’t necessarily be safe in our rural redoubts, but we might just pass under the radar long enough for things to settle down.

62 posted on 01/26/2012 8:06:54 PM PST by reformedliberal
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To: reformedliberal

Why is it you think the government cares where you are?

63 posted on 01/26/2012 8:20:44 PM PST by MSF BU
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To: blam

Can they read, “Halt!”, “Do Not Trespass”, “Trespassers will be shot!”? No? Then they can blame their union edgeekators.

64 posted on 01/26/2012 8:24:48 PM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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dang - now your’re out there.

Doesn’t one need a visa to cross into “the county”?

65 posted on 01/26/2012 8:34:34 PM PST by redlegplanner ( No Representation without Taxation)
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To: Salamander
"they be stupid enough to head for Ruralia?"

Too far out in the "sticks", those Escalades aren't real good on gas mileage, and "trick or treat" usually is more poplular where there's sidewalks and paved roads.

OTOH, Suburbia is a major reason why record gun sales and lots of CCW classes are well-attended. Suburbia has prepared itself for the future, as it's un-folding.

66 posted on 01/26/2012 8:35:18 PM PST by traditional1 (Free speech for me.....not for thee)
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To: Chode
unless you're independently wealthy, it's too late... there aren't any jobs out here

You bet...Since there is no work, I would guess it's a lot of government retirees heading to the hills, while collecting their tax paid retirement checks.

67 posted on 01/26/2012 8:54:08 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: cripplecreek; Gosh I love this neighborhood; Mrs. P
Thanks Cripplecreek. It is good to be reminded of why I am not in the lovely state of Michigan!

Michigan family ping-Key words-COLD & Isolated. I think I would rather live in North Dakota. At least you do not have to shovel snow EVERY day! The population in the UP is low but lots of people on public assistance. What happens up there if the SHTF? Do they still know how to hunt and fish, or has the use of the EBT card swiped them of that ability?

68 posted on 01/26/2012 9:13:54 PM PST by GILTN1stborn (Can you hear me now?)
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To: Chode
unless you're independently wealthy, it's too late... there aren't any jobs out here

BTW, in most rural areas, even the locals from those places, cannot find jobs.

69 posted on 01/26/2012 9:18:55 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Prepper’s PING!

70 posted on 01/26/2012 9:35:28 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: blam

Ominous black clouds of doom cover the edge of the horizon, the lightening is flashing and there is the distant sound of thunder! The storm flags are going up, who you heed them?

I think that at best we are in for a collapse much like that of Argentina. A excellent 12 part documentary on the economic collapse of Argentina can be see on YouTube with part one here:

I am very aware that if it’s the great end as foretold in the Bible that there is nothing I can do to stop or change it, but history is full of instances and times when man or nature have caused such a calamity that people have cried out and begged God to end it all.

The bible has many verse such as this:

A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.
NIV Proverbs 22:3

This verse and others are there for a reason and I urge all to take heed of them, because we are clearly on the edge. Everyday there is a new story about the ‘Yutes’ who grow more restless everyday and when you add the fact that because of the economy people are already on edge it won’t take much to set things off.

Reminds me of one of my favorite quotes:

“Star Trek: Deep Space Nine: The Siege of AR-558 (#7.8)” (1998)
Quark: Let me tell you something about Hew-mons, Nephew. They’re a wonderful, friendly people, as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people... will become as nasty and as violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon. You don’t believe me? Look at those faces. Look in their eyes.

Today we have ‘yutes’ who roam our streets who are with out morals, without respect for law or life itself. They will look are you with the same ‘doll eyes’ a shark does before he eats you and they will feel no more compassion than the shark does.

That will be the test of many. Most preppers I know are Christian people and they will hesitate to do what they might have to do to stop the ‘yutes’. On the other hand the ‘yutes’ won’t think twice nor lose a minute of sleep, in fact they will smile and laugh about it.

For those who are just starting or are old hands at prepping you may find my Preparedness Manual helpfull. You can download it at:

71 posted on 01/26/2012 9:42:23 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: dragnet2

Go out in the sticks buy a surplus missle silo and turn it into survival condos. Make your own job.

72 posted on 01/26/2012 9:47:18 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: cripplecreek
Our town is a mega-metropolis of nearly 2,000 WITH 2 red lights. I regularly wear my "I don't dial 911" tee with the flame coming out of the barrel of the .45 acp.

I'm working my way up to being "that crazy lady on the edge of town that you don't want to mess with". My husband loves to feed that perception --- "how's the wife?", and my husband responds that I'm home having coffee and cleaning guns.

It's all in fun, cause I'm really quite sweet, generous, and kind ... just do not mess with me or mine. I will answer with extreme prejudice.

73 posted on 01/26/2012 10:00:04 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: blam; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; Aggie Mama; agrace; AliVeritas; AlmaKing; ...

This is not normally the type of thread I’d ping to the another reason to homeschool list, but there is some mention of public schools in here.

It’s a situation that I had not heard before and I don’t know how applicable it is to most homeschoolers, but here it is for your consideration.

74 posted on 01/26/2012 10:14:54 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Wild Berry



Oh’re being sarcastic, right? right?

75 posted on 01/26/2012 10:15:01 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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To: Wild Berry
I grew up in small towns where everybody knew everything you did and gave your parents reports. It was crushing my soul. After college, I got a job that transferred me to what was then one of the hottest, fastest growing cities in the US, I was making more money than I had ever imagined. The rest of the experience was similar to what you describe.

I lasted 10 years before it drove me nuts, but I didn't actually move until I had been in the city for 20 years.

I am now in a small town where everybody knows everything about anything that I do and I see the charm in that. It takes me an hour to go to the grocery store to get a gallon of milk because, down every aisle, there is a conversation with somebody I know.

But if my vehicle were to break down on the road, I can think of 15 people right now that would drop whatever they were doing and come to help me. As you age you value things differently, as I have come full circle in my life of travels and am happy being in the small town place.

This must happen to a lot of people like me because in my small town, my hunting buddies are doctors, lawyers, pilots, farmers, and business owners of all kinds, and we have a very high number of millionaires.

76 posted on 01/26/2012 10:20:16 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies ... plan it.)
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To: Kartographer

77 posted on 01/26/2012 10:49:44 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Hey it’s an idea!

78 posted on 01/26/2012 10:55:37 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

By the way, there is no reason to head to the “sticks”. There are many other places to go outside major cities, than having to head to the boonies, where there are no jobs to speak of, or little of anything else. I personally have no desire to move to the middle of nowhere.

79 posted on 01/26/2012 11:04:20 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

That’s true there many an out of the way place that in most towns that look abandoned and yet would make a good place to lay low during shtf.

80 posted on 01/26/2012 11:10:22 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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