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Arne Duncan: Pay great teachers $150K
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Posted on 01/27/2012 8:18:12 AM PST by Sub-Driver

Arne Duncan: Pay great teachers $150K

By: Tim Mak January 27, 2012 09:28 AM EST

Education Secretary Arne Duncan said Friday that the starting salaries of teachers should double, up to $65,000 a year, and that excellent teachers should be able to make up to $150,000.

“I’ve been very radical on this. I think that young teachers, we should double their salaries [to] $60,000, $65,000. I think that great teachers should be able to make $130,000, $140,000, $150,000 - pick a number,” said Duncan on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.”

Duncan suggested those figures while responding to a question about New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s proposal that high-performing teachers should be eligible for $20,000 bonuses.

Both base-pay increases and bonuses were necessary, he said.

“I think we need to raise the base pay [and be eligible for bonuses], I think teachers should be able to make a lot more money based on the difference they’re making in students’ lives, and willingness to take on tough assignments,” he said.

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1 posted on 01/27/2012 8:18:16 AM PST by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

For 6 hours a day, 9 months of the year of work?


2 posted on 01/27/2012 8:20:17 AM PST by oblomov
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To: Sub-Driver

Who decides if a techer is great or not?


3 posted on 01/27/2012 8:21:34 AM PST by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: Sub-Driver

Why only $150K? Why not a million?


4 posted on 01/27/2012 8:21:45 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati)
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To: Sub-Driver

This is my 42nd year of teaching (really). Pay me the $150K today because I am a great teacher./s


5 posted on 01/27/2012 8:22:41 AM PST by choctaw man (Good ole Andrew Jackson, or You're the Reason God Made Oklahoma...)
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To: Sub-Driver

The way the FED is printing money, that may happen sooner rather than later.


6 posted on 01/27/2012 8:22:50 AM PST by Jack of all Trades (Hold your face to the light, even though for the moment you do not see.)
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To: oblomov

The job, and the government propaganda imparted to mush minds, is simply just not worth that much money.....


7 posted on 01/27/2012 8:23:46 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Sub-Driver

Here’s a radical idea: why not pay them exactly what they’re worth in an open and free labor market?


8 posted on 01/27/2012 8:23:51 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Sub-Driver

I’d be willing to accept that.

But only under the following conditions:

1) No collective bargaining
2) They pay for their own health care and retirement out of their salaries. They can cut a deal through the NEA or whatever org they want to get better coverage/rates.
3) No tenure. Ever.
4) At will employment with individual contracts only.


9 posted on 01/27/2012 8:24:13 AM PST by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: oblomov

If they even work that much. The school my grandsons go to which is in a highly desirable district seems to have 4 day school weeks constantly. If there happens to be a holiday, like this past MLK birthday, then it’s a 3 day week. They call these 1/2 and full days off teacher service days....whatever that means.


10 posted on 01/27/2012 8:25:31 AM PST by surrey
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To: Sub-Driver

Does that mean that we can cut the pay of, or fire, bad ones?


11 posted on 01/27/2012 8:25:54 AM PST by Daveinyork
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To: Sub-Driver

When everyone is able to live in million dollar homes to support a property tax base that will pay 150K per year for teachers...and the average wage is 150K to pay that property tax- then - sure - pay ‘em 150K *ugh*


12 posted on 01/27/2012 8:26:20 AM PST by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: oblomov

This really shouldn’t be that tough. A smart high school grad could teach the public school curriculum to students coming up.

Most of the educational claptrap that teachers learn getting their requisite teaching credentials isn’t really so—and thus sets them back as teachers from how that smart high school grad would approach things.


13 posted on 01/27/2012 8:27:01 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Sub-Driver

Somehow, and I know it sounds crazy but, the moment we start paying the so-called best teachers 150 grand a year, it would turn out that every teacher would be making a 150 grand a year.


14 posted on 01/27/2012 8:27:23 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: stuartcr

I suspect that great spelling is a sign as to whether you’ve had a good TEACHER or not. :D


15 posted on 01/27/2012 8:28:18 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Sub-Driver
I have a radical idea. Get the government totally out of education.
Where in the Constitution is authority given for government involvement here?
16 posted on 01/27/2012 8:28:58 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: HereInTheHeartland

>I have a radical idea. Get the government totally out of education.
>Where in the Constitution is authority given for government involvement here?

I fully support abolishing the federal department of education. However when you say ‘the government’ you do have to remember that the vast majority of education management nd funding is done at the state level, and most state constitutions do talk about education.

Thus asking for where in the constitution such a thing might be means checking your state constitution.

Now I should also mention I don’t believe in public education at all. We don’t have public supermarkets and yet parents do manage to feed their children. Schools should all be private, and then you could provide some form of grants for needy children to go to school. Public education is yet another form of middle (and upper) class entitlement.


17 posted on 01/27/2012 8:34:17 AM PST by drbuzzard (different league)
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To: Sub-Driver

As a non-union public school teacher, I disagree. I started at 28K my first year. That’s @35K minus the summer.

GET RID OF ALL THE 200K A YEAR PIECES OF **** AND MAYBE SOME OF THE TEACHERS WOULD MAKE MORE.


18 posted on 01/27/2012 8:34:33 AM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: oblomov

I work from 8 to 4. That’s 8 hours. I manage 80 pubescent, irascible balls of hormones.

BUT I DO GET THE SUMMER!


19 posted on 01/27/2012 8:36:55 AM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
I have a radical idea. Get the government totally out of education.

AMEN to that! Trying to reform an inherently Marxist system is like, pardon the expression, polishing a turd.

20 posted on 01/27/2012 8:39:20 AM PST by Marathoner (In the 80s we had Reagan, Johnny Cash and Bob Hope. Now we have Obama, no cash and no hope.)
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To: drbuzzard

That’s where education belongs, at the state level.

The US government was always set up so that states would handle all the small and mundane stuff that are everyday concerns and the federal government would handle all the big stuff that concerned a nation.


21 posted on 01/27/2012 8:39:43 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: stuartcr

You also must DEMAND that the teacher provide at LEAST a 4.0 gpa from their 4-year university. NO WAIVERS NO EXCEPTIONS

That will weed out all of them.


22 posted on 01/27/2012 8:40:19 AM PST by patriotsoul
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To: Sub-Driver

Let’s see the big accounting firms hire the top students at the top universities and pay around $52K per year to start, working 12 months a year for 70 hours a week. According to a study done a few years back over half of new teachers come from the bottom third of their college class.

Yes let’s pay new teachers $65K per year, makes perfect sense.


23 posted on 01/27/2012 8:40:23 AM PST by blue state conservative
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To: stuartcr

They are ALL great teachers...


24 posted on 01/27/2012 8:43:07 AM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: stuartcr

“Who decides if a techer is great or not?”

The human resources bureaucrats who administer the affirmative action program.


25 posted on 01/27/2012 8:44:38 AM PST by Soul of the South (When times are tough the tough get going.)
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To: Jonty30
I think there's a real future in online schooling. I know public schools in Michigan are fighting it tooth and nail.

'We Found a Place Where Our Children's Safety Would Never Be An Issue' An interview with a cyber school parent
26 posted on 01/27/2012 8:44:52 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Sub-Driver

Teachers at PRIVATE SCHOOLS, with long experience, who draw PAYING students to their school (usually because they’ve made a name for themselves as a scientist/writer/politician) already make this kind of money.

Teachers at public schools, who do the job that they are paid to do, and belong to a union, with all the protections that a union provides, deserve nothing more than union scale.

Collective bargaining is a bitch, aint it?

Adding quality to a product (school) that has no tangible way to improve cash flow to the producer (the school district) cannot possibly be rewarded with cash.

It’s hard to be a socialist while expecting the benefits of capitalism.


27 posted on 01/27/2012 8:45:35 AM PST by kidd
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

“Here’s a radical idea: why not pay them exactly what they’re worth in an open and free labor market?”

Institute vouchers for all students and we will soon find out the market value of a great teacher.


28 posted on 01/27/2012 8:46:02 AM PST by Soul of the South (When times are tough the tough get going.)
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To: patriotsoul

>>You also must DEMAND that the teacher provide at LEAST a 4.0 gpa from their 4-year university. NO WAIVERS NO EXCEPTIONS

>>That will weed out all of them.

Teachers do have to take a PRAXIS exam, which is quite difficult. I passed the English and History PRAXIS, and I’m hoping they create a Japanese PRAXIS so I can pass that one too.

The problem with teaching is the union. If you teach in the South, you have no union and the district can be flexible with teacher pay, raises, etc. If you teach up north, you are usually way overpaid. They need to kill the EPA, repeal NCLB, and dissolve all unions. They need to also localize all education, because even in a state like Mississippi, delta kids are WAY DIFFERENT than gulf coast kids.


29 posted on 01/27/2012 8:47:26 AM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: Sub-Driver
First, there's no way ANY Government employee should be allowed to be represented by Unions.

Second, a standardized Competency Test should be administered to ALL Public School Teachers, and those that don't measure up are gone from Taxpayer-funded non-productive employment.

Third, Teacher Pay should reflect the dumbness we have being produced from schoolz today....and, Competency shall be demonstrated annually, through standardized testing of Teachers. Incompetency will NOT be tolerated, and THEN we'll consider a salary that will attract Competent replacements.

30 posted on 01/27/2012 8:47:39 AM PST by traditional1 (Free speech for me.....not for thee)
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To: stuartcr

They argue against Merit pay because they can’t rate the Teachers. How do they ,now, determine GREAT Teachers?


31 posted on 01/27/2012 8:47:47 AM PST by mortal19440
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To: Jonty30

Yes, I agree. If the government is going to do education, the state (or local) level is where it should be. Centralization doesn’t work on economics and it doesn’t work on education.


32 posted on 01/27/2012 8:50:00 AM PST by drbuzzard (different league)
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To: Sub-Driver

Trash the whole system. It is FUBR. Convert to an on line education system that doesn’t need overcompensated unions, bureaucrats, busing, costly facilities, lunch and breakfast programs, child care, etc. Make learning how to read, write and do arithmetic available on line to anyone who wants it. If they don’t that’s their business. Let them learn how it is trying to live without an education. The can serve as the examples.


33 posted on 01/27/2012 8:50:09 AM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: paul51

See post number 26 for an article on cyber schooling.

I really think its the way to go.


34 posted on 01/27/2012 8:52:58 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: mortal19440

>>They argue against Merit pay because they can’t rate the Teachers. How do they ,now, determine GREAT Teachers?

This is very true. Great teachers, however, are pretty easy to pick out subjectively after looking at classroom interaction, adherence to standards, and assessments. It might be good to just give a bonus to teachers that are National Board Certified - OH WAIT, THEY ALREADY DO!


35 posted on 01/27/2012 8:53:46 AM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: oblomov

There may be some teachers who work 6 hour days, 9 months a year, but the good ones don’t. My wife does 12-16 hour days, every week day and usually 6-8 hours each day on the weekend. During “breaks” she spends hours grading assignments and writing report cards.

Her summer “break” starts about a week after the kids get out, after she’s spent hours cleaning her room, because the janitorial staff won’t. Then she spends weeks of the summer going to re-certification and training sessions. When that’s over, she gets to spend at least 2-3 days a week working with her “team teachers” to develop the curriculum for the next year. Then, for her, school starts 2-3 weeks before the kids come back, with training sessions on all the new laws and requirements — and all the whims of the merry-go-round administrators to learn about.

And that doesn’t begin to include the parents who believe their little Johnny could never do anything wrong, and he deserves straight “A” grades, even though he hasn’t turned in an assignment all quarter. Did I mention irate parents calling my unlisted home phone number at 2AM to scream obscenities at my wife?

And after 15 years as a teacher, she earns less than I did two years out of college as a computer programmer.

Oh, and did I mention she’s required, by law, to take 3 or more credits of continuing education at a college *EVERY YEAR*. And every three or four years, she has to go pay $500 and take two days of tests to keep her license. And, if she’s ever, ever let go from a job (even for a personality conflict or just because some administrator doesn’t like her shoe color) she can never get a job as a teacher again.

So, before you start throwing that crap out, ask yourself if you’d be willing to put up with 180 kids, for what works out to about $4 an hour with the time my wife puts in.

So, do I think that every teacher deserves $$$$? No, just the ones who work their ass off and get results like my wife does. For 10 straight years, her classes have shown the biggest improvement in math scores in the state of Colorado. Yet she gets the exact same salary schedule as the teacher who’s on his fifth sexual harassment investigation, and grades his students papers by giving them full points if they turned it in.

Him you can say that crap to. Not my wife.


36 posted on 01/27/2012 8:56:06 AM PST by jnaujok (Charter member of the vast, right-wing conspiracy.)
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To: drbuzzard

“We don’t have public supermarkets “

Not yet!


37 posted on 01/27/2012 8:58:40 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: Jonty30

What can I say, I went to school in Florida. They only made about 7-8K when I was in high school.


38 posted on 01/27/2012 9:01:27 AM PST by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: Sub-Driver

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39 posted on 01/27/2012 9:02:55 AM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

“Here’s a radical idea: why not pay them exactly what they’re worth in an open and free labor market?”

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First we need to get the educational system, ALL of it, out into the private sector, free market place......what’s left of it.


40 posted on 01/27/2012 9:03:09 AM PST by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: Sub-Driver
How 'bout instead we cut the pay of sh*tty teachers in half, or just get rid of them altogether?

ML/NJ

41 posted on 01/27/2012 9:05:19 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: Doomonyou

I thought we weren’t supposed to think very highly of them because they’re all products of liberal colleges?


42 posted on 01/27/2012 9:06:02 AM PST by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: Sub-Driver

First off get rid of all the education departments in our universities. They should major in the subject they are going to teach. Cut out the indoctrination that comes with the degree in education.


43 posted on 01/27/2012 9:07:21 AM PST by animal172 (Calling the Founding Fathers!! We need your help.)
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To: mortal19440

I have no idea.


44 posted on 01/27/2012 9:08:01 AM PST by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: surrey
The school my grandsons go to which is in a highly desirable district seems to have 4 day school weeks constantly.

No kidding. My kids are older so it's not an issue regarding my work, but with younger children and both parents working, these "teacher planning days" are difficult.

45 posted on 01/27/2012 9:16:19 AM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: Sub-Driver

This country is chock-full of people who are really, really great at their jobs, and who don’t earn $150K.


46 posted on 01/27/2012 9:17:19 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: struggle
The wife is at school 6 am and leaves 4 pm, easily spends 2-3 hrs a night doing what there isn't time for due to what goes on at school. She recharges and takes classes over the 2 months off every summer.

So many problems in our schools today, tough job. Parents need to be held accountable too.

47 posted on 01/27/2012 9:29:07 AM PST by Eska
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To: Sub-Driver
Not just NO but HELL NO.

Private school teachers are paid less (almost frightfully so) and get better results.

These "bonuses" would be tied to bogus, easily manipulated and highly political criteria.

48 posted on 01/27/2012 9:30:31 AM PST by newzjunkey (a FL win returns Romney to the "inevitability" path.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Let’s pay the really smart kids to teach themselves.


49 posted on 01/27/2012 9:32:46 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: HereInTheHeartland

I guess that would be the logical next step for the food stamp president.


50 posted on 01/27/2012 9:42:12 AM PST by drbuzzard (different league)
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