Posted on 01/29/2012 8:01:41 AM PST by TBBT
Jim, Since Florida is a winner take all state and
Since Rick Santorum is home with his family, and
SInce the number of people supporting Willard is much less than the combination of Newt+Rick’s total
Can we make the suggestion that in Florida the Santorum backers cast their vote for the conservative that can beat the Moderate candidate.
If Sarah/Rick/FR/teaparty others could get this message out (Not Newt it would sound desperate)it would easily put Newt over the top in FL.
“There are over 50 “third parties”. “
The largest ideology in the US is “conservative” at 40% of the population.
We wouldn’t be starting a Third Party, we’d be destroying the GOP and reformulating the next 2nd Party. The Republicans would go the way of the Whigs.
We will just agree to disagree. Obama is a radical Marxist who hates this country and wants to transform it into a communist utopia. None of the current GOP candidates share his values or vision for this country.
I thought in the 80's that what Reagan did and believed was so natural and normal, that there must be a million "Reagans" who could follow up after he was gone.
Little did I know how tough it would be to get a sincere "America first" candidate prepared to run and take office in the White House. The Gingrich-Reagan comparison below illustrates I think why finding "another Reagan" is tough (but not impossible):
Reagan was the man for the time. Reagan handled power well because he didn't really care for it. Power was only a means to an end for Reagan. Reagan's end was, in a sense, an end of power, a reduction of government power including his own. Reagan didn't seek office - the office sought him. And as the plaque on his desk said, he was able to so much because it didn't matter to him who got the credit.
This may be the most substantive difference between Reagan and Gingrich. I think Gingrich wants the power and (maybe) the glory and (I think) the credit. Yes, I hope he wins the nomination and the election, but I worry about him if he's ever again in power. I think real success tends to flee from us when our success becomes the most important thing to us.
Why would you want to do that when you should be continuing to take back what is rightfully yours?
You think you can convince every one of millions of Republicans that they should switch brand names, when, by infiltrating, you could so much more easily make them proud of the party label again?
Your idea of dividing the voters sounds like Perma-RATs forever.
I agree, all these panty weights seeing the elephant can drop there weapon and run away, the adults are staying on the firing line and will continue to fight. Hell there is a war going on and they cave before the first shot is fired.
Rasmussen:
Tuesday, January 17, 2012
South Carolina: Romney 35%, Gingrich 21%, Santorum 16%, Paul 16%>>>>
Thanx tomkat that I will hang my hat on until the real poll happens. I would really have liked to see Rick Santorum win, sigh. I now question his motives going forward if he hangs on to his losing hand too much longer. I have decided like others here to not vote for Mitt Romney. Bottom line is we Christian conservatives no longer have a party and the system in Washington corrupts so easily and thoroughly the “good” people we send there. Therefore...my hopes reside elsewhere, more strongly than ever even for this world specifically the good ol’ USA.
Only the Lord can save us now.
Jim won't have to ask, for while I will still go to the polls to vote on the numerous other positions open for election at the state and local level; I will in no way cast a vote for Romney.
It is better to have an open and blatant enemy (Obama), if that comes to pass, then it would be to bolster the GOP elites. There are two enemies this election, and unfortunately, it seems one of them is the GOP establishment.
“Your idea of dividing the voters sounds like Perma-RATs forever.”
No, I’m talking about uniting the conservative voters. It is you who are supporting the GOP E who has divided the conservative voters to max effectiveness.
I still hold out hope that Gingrich can win. He is our last chance.
If Romney wins, he will fall on his own unvetted self. He is not being vetted...one day after he wins, you will see multiple stories on Mormonism. The left will use that and his Bain past to hang him. It will not be a slow death, it will be quick.
The GOP is in its Death Throes and it is all Establishment inflicted. It will die if Romney is the nominee.
But that “costs too much” argument has already been asked and answered. The federal component of a revived space program would be mere pennies on the dollar. This is where the fed does those few things the fed does best and leverages those advantages to the benefit of private entrepreneurism funded primarily by private capital. There is no need to throw the baby out with the bath water. The moment we stop reaching higher is the very moment we begin to sink. That vast sea of red ink was not caused by the space program. It was caused by the lurch toward a virtually unlimited welfare state. And when you’re in debt, maybe you don’t buy that second car, or maybe you go for a lower mortgage. But you don’t stop eating, you don’t stop working, and you sure don’t stop trying to make things better. Because that last thing is where your recovery eventually comes from.
See, Newt gets the notion of creating a national project to focus our energies on something that will both benefit us and give us common cause. What you’re proposing is rather like dad coming home after getting fired and telling everybody to tighten their belts and stay at home and watch the news about how awful things are. Based on your high school graduation, you have some memory of the adults in your life gong through the depression. Yes, they conserved, everything from string to paper bags. My dad made sardine soup and was proud of it. But they never, not even once, stopped pushing together for the next grand achievement of the country. It was a powerful force for unity among the many immigrant people of that day, and it can work that way again.
And I have a special connection with that. My dad and his three brothers were all very sharp, highly motivated, big picture people. Well, maybe Fred was not so motivated. But the others were superstars in their own domains. Two of them were real rocket scientists, and one of them worked on the Manhattan project in the race to beat the Germans to the Bomb. The children of that brother have remained in the space industry and work on amazing interplanetary propulsion systems as private sector contractors of the highest order. They barely know I exist, but I could not be prouder of them. They are wealth generators. Their ideas are making work and money for thousands downstream of them.
And if we are to recover at all, we need wealth generators, and we need people of high motivation and lofty goals. Sulking about our debt will not relieve our debt. Ceasing to grow and try new things will not relieve our debt. Curling up into the fetal position while our bitter enemies consolidate their power over the far frontiers will not relieve our debt. But fostering a sense of good old-fashioned American pride over great and daring things accomplished, combined with a concerted effort to score those accomplishments primarily through private sector initiative and expansion, now *that’s* a path back to long-term health for our people. You won’t get there without a vision, and a vision’s no good if there isn’t a clear bull’s-eye that captures our aspirations and imagination as a people. Newt’s got an idea what that positive vision of America’s future might be. What’s Rick’s? What’s Ron’s? What’s Mitt’s?
Isn’t that the “essence” of the problem this country faces? The republican establishment is, as much an enemy of conservatism and this country’s survival as, any enemy?
its dire....but not over yet
No, Texas is my primary and I hate that Texas is an open primary state. But we are working to change that. It is unfortunate, in my view, that Florida has gone from a “red state” to a “purple state” and I fear Texas is headed in the same direction. The Large cities such as Houston and Dallas have gone “blue”. Forgive my rantings. I’m a crotchety old man and hate seeing what has happened to our country. I’ve seen it first hand, how people moving in from other areas of the country to get away from something they don’t like, end up wanting to institute the very situations they moved away from. But that is their right.
The establishment GOP wants us to name a nominee now. I agree with Sarah - we need all candidates to stay in right now so that obama and his cronies don’t have all summer to take our candidate out - and they will. Right now, we don’t have a decisive winner and they aren’t attacking - YET. Once we have a candidate - the gloves come off. Why give the DNC several more months to destroy us?
“The conservatives were still waiting on Palin... waiting...so in order to clear the path for Palin, the conservatives, with a little help from the all too willing establishment helped discredit all the others in the race. Why not, the establishment realized Palin wasn’t going to enter.”
Many freepers really believed Palin would enter the race. I was pretty sure she wouldn’t the day she resigned the governorship but nobody wanted to listen.
If she couldn’t handle the mudslinging in Alaska then how does it make sense she’d want to endure even more of that if she ran for prez?
Like you could handle it?
“In other words, Floridians have completely bought in to the “only Romney can beat Obama” BS, and they also have given up on NASA. “
I don’t think they’ve given up on NASA. It’s just that it’s hard to believe in a moon base when our debt is so high and we don’t even have a space shuttle.
Also, I wish Newt talked about his plans for space way before Florida so that it wouldn’t look like a big surprise.
Yeah, I don't think so, as I don't support the GOP elite. We have plenty of bad experiences with them from here in Maine.
The GOP is in its Death Throes
I'm not so sure about that either, but the RINOs are certainly engaged in the battle of their lives.
it is all Establishment inflicted.
True enough.
It will die if Romney is the nominee.
I'm not relishing the thought of a Romulan president, but there are plenty of TEApublicans there now, and more cavalry on the way down-ticket to hold a "president mittens" in check.
He would have to keep his campaign promises, and act like a conservative, or risk looking like the weasel he really is.
“Like you could handle it? “
No but there’s no draft ari-freedom movement on FR. That’s OK. I still love you all :)
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