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What is so appealing about Ron Paul to young voters?
FOX News ^ | 1/31/12 | Karin Agness

Posted on 01/31/2012 12:00:06 PM PST by presidio9

The first primaries of 2012 are complete, but the fight over the proper role of government continues. The question before GOP primary voters is who best reflects their own answer to that question, and then, who is best suited to make that case to the American people?

A clear winner has yet to emerge, but there is little question about who has captured the loyalty of young Republican voters on this issue. Although finishing fourth overall, Ron Paul once again won the youth vote in South Carolina, winning 31% of ages 18-29, compared to Newt Gingrich who won 28%. Paul’s appeal, or more accurately, the appeal of Paul’s limited government message, is a key story to emerge from the Republican primaries.

There’s no mistaking the trend.

Mitt Romney won the New Hampshire primary, getting approximately 39% of the total vote. Ron Paul finished second with 23%, Jon Huntsman finished third with 17%, and Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum each won about 9% of the vote.

Yet young voters would have picked a different winner. According to Fox News exit polls, in New Hampshire, Paul won nearly half (46%) of the votes of people ages 18-29, while Romney won second place with just 26%.

Paul also won the youth vote in Iowa. In the Hawkeye State almost half (48%) of the Republican caucus goers ages 18-29 supported Paul, compared to 23% for the otherwise victorious Santorum, and 14% for Romney.

What is so appealing about Paul to young voters? One answer is that Paul has been the most outspoken candidate defending the importance of free enterprise and the limited role of government. And he has had a

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To: RetSignman

Yeah you could say Ron Paul is all giving Grandfather to that generation LOL!


101 posted on 01/31/2012 2:35:39 PM PST by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: jpsb

i am 36 years old. I voted for Dole, George w Bush twice, and McCain.

I support Ron Paul because the FauxCons/Rinos/NeoCons are a bunch of lying snakes and thieves no different than the democrats.


102 posted on 01/31/2012 2:38:23 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: presidio9

Idealism is a belief based on unreality.

Young folks, at least most I know, have yet to be mugged by reality.


103 posted on 01/31/2012 2:39:24 PM PST by MortMan (Americans are a people increasingly separated by our connectivity.)
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To: presidio9
Of course it is - just like opposition to alcohol Prohibition was a conservative idea. Drug criminalization, like Prohibition before it, is "progressive" social engineering that has succeeded only in enriching criminals.

Prohibition is irrelevant to your argument, because alcohol and pot are not the same thing,

That they are not the same thing is what's irrelevant. They are both addictive mind-altering substances (but alcohol is more addictive, and the only one that can directly kill you).

and never will be. For example, while plenty of people enjoy a glass or two of wine with a meal, the only reason anybody ever smoked pot was to get stoned. Period.

Some claim to drink only for the flavor - and some of those are probably telling the truth, while others enjoy the mild buzz they euphemize as "relaxing" or "unwinding." At least a sizeable minority of drinkers seek the mental effects; so even if that percentage is less than 100%, the difference is too thin a reed to support the complete banning of one versus the regulated legality of the other.

104 posted on 01/31/2012 2:40:15 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: presidio9

Nail hit squarely on head.


105 posted on 01/31/2012 2:41:39 PM PST by Fledermaus (I can't fiddle so I'll just open a cold beer as I watch America burn.)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
He’s a pothead

Paul's a pothead? Evidence?

106 posted on 01/31/2012 2:42:11 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Antoninus
It never ceases to amaze me how many truly benighted individuals there are out there that think "drug legalization" is a good conservative idea.

Move to North Philadelphia for a few years and see if you still think that's the case. Legal or illegal, drugs are a scourge and drug users have a huge blast radius that affects scores of people around them.

I'm sure there are plenty of alcohol abusers there, also with huge blast radii - should we bring back Prohibition?

107 posted on 01/31/2012 2:46:15 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: presidio9
1) The potency of simple, absolute ideas.

2) Anti-establishmentarianism, the maverick/hobbit/outsider thing.

3) Karma: Ron Paul is to GWB and RBC what McGovern was to LBJ and HHH.

108 posted on 01/31/2012 2:47:36 PM PST by x
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To: Carry_Okie
You have done a very impressive job with your girls--to say the least. The paper would certainly deserve several credit hours towards graduation at any reputable college.

I was very impressed!--although I would offer a slightly different slant on some aspects of the decline--though certainly not disparaging their massed details of the dynamics of that decline.

You deserve to be proud--assuming that you played the role of a Conservative parent--as from your context, one would certainly assume. Well done!

William Flax

109 posted on 01/31/2012 2:56:29 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: presidio9
On the other hand, "Paul scores 0% by NARAL on pro-choice voting record."
110 posted on 01/31/2012 2:56:53 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: x

I am 36, self employed, never ever smoked pot or did illegal drugs, support israel, and support Ron Paul

1. He is the best on the 2nd amendment.

2. He is the best on civil liberties and the only one who would not sign the NDAA

3. Against mandates and cap and trade like Myth and newt

4. Understands that spending is the real tax on the economy and that inflation via the fed is as bad or worse than taxes.

5. Is for real money.

6. Is not a flip flopping liar and snake.

7. Is not beholden to K Street or Wall Street

8. Actually served in the military and was a doctor in private practice.

9. Never panders to people.

10. Understands basic economics.

11. Understands why we have the problems we do and wants to end the bloated govt.

You guys want more? You “Real Consdervative” clowns can mock Ron Paul all you like - but have fun with obama and myth next year. Don’t say you were not warned.


111 posted on 01/31/2012 3:00:21 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: SoldierDad
I’ve posted many more comments on FB regarding R-U-N Paul than I have all the other candidates combined, albeit negative comments each and every one made regarding R-U-N Paul.

I can only imagine how many people have de-friended you. Political Facebook posts are about the most annoying thing on the web.

112 posted on 01/31/2012 3:02:50 PM PST by jmc813
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To: Ohioan
The paper would certainly deserve several credit hours towards graduation at any reputable college.

They formally copyrighted it with the LOC to preclude claims of plagiarism when it shows up elsewhere (as I suspect it will).

You deserve to be proud--assuming that you played the role of a Conservative parent--as from your context, one would certainly assume.

To be frank, I haven't even read the whole thing. They did this themselves with me paying particular attention to the thesis and a couple of sections to show them what I expected. They did the rest. These two girls also self-taught calculus at that same age.

The reason is how I taught primary school. I taught them to read at barely three. They were factoring quadratics by six, before they had even finished their times tables. The rest was easy.

I'm really busy. I like easy. :-)

Recently one was tutoring higher mathematics at the local JC (at the age of 16). The other got her first position on a board of directors at the same age. Yet I would be the first to tell you that these girls are bright, but not exceptionally intelligent. This is what we should be expecting.

The point is that I have absolutely no respect for the American professorate as a group. By dint of over-specialization and political screening, by far most are highly trained idiots, hardly what any rational person would call an "expert." I have even less regard for their product. They gain their power by extortion for credentials; they don't guarantee results. With the tools we have now, children with self-control and commitment to a goal can learn most anything on their own. At most they might need a consultation from time to time to answer questions, but with Skype, it certainly shouldn't cost what parents are paying now. The whole educrat system needs to be replaced by private testing companies who WILL stand behind their validation services financially.

And I'm not hearing Ron Paul talking about that.

113 posted on 01/31/2012 3:16:34 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The RNC would prefer Obama to a conservative nominee.)
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To: Antoninus

fatty food is bad for you too, sugar is a killer, caffeine dido and there is mercury in fish don’t ya know. No one should be allowed to ride a bike without a helmet, don’t forget to always walk with the traffic and only cross at the light. Oh do not even think about trying that black slope when all you have is a federally issued green slope license.


114 posted on 01/31/2012 3:20:33 PM PST by jpsb
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To: SoldierDad

Reagan realized that the middle east is a snake pit and pulled out.


115 posted on 01/31/2012 3:29:03 PM PST by jpsb
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To: SoldierDad
"On February 7, 1984, President Reagan announced that he had asked for a plan for redeployment of the Marines from Beirut to ships offshore. On February 7 and 8, more than 100 U.S. embassy employees and all embassy dependents were evacuated from Beirut. On February 26, redeployment of the last Marines serving with the Multinational Force from their positions in Beirut to ships offshore was completed."
116 posted on 01/31/2012 3:33:51 PM PST by jpsb
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To: SoldierDad
BEIRUT, Lebanon, Feb. 8 - The United States battleship New Jersey bombarded Druse and Syrian gun batteries in Lebanon for more than nine hours today in the heaviest and most sustained American military action since the marines arrived here 16 months ago.

The gunfire was directed at targets ''in Syrian-controlled Lebanon which have been firing on the city of Beirut,'' a Marine spokesman, Maj. Dennis Brooks, said. The shells fired into the capital had landed in Christian-dominated East Beirut, several miles from the Marine compound at Beirut International Airport. In Washington, the Pentagon said the destroyer Caron joined in the bombardment, firing more than 300 five-inch shells. It said the New Jersey fired more than 250 16-inch shells.

117 posted on 01/31/2012 3:37:09 PM PST by jpsb
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To: jpsb

Then why wasn’t Reagan a Libertarian...

Ah, there’s the rub...


118 posted on 01/31/2012 3:55:33 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ejonesie22
There is the capital L Libertarian and the small l, a lot of conservatives are small l. Within the Liberation Party there are two sides. The Constitutionalist Libertarian and the anything goes Libertarian. Paul in his brief time in the Libertarian party was a minority constitutionalist libertarian.

I much prefer to discuss issues and dislike labels. But Paul is a small l Libertarian and I think Reagan was too. That is not to say Paul is another Reagan, he is not, sadly.

119 posted on 01/31/2012 4:28:04 PM PST by jpsb
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To: GlockThe Vote

“VERY SIMPLE - HE WANTS TO NOT HAVE US TO BE SLAVES TO DEBT RUN UP BY BOOMERS AND OTHERS AND THE CONFISCATORY TAXES NEEDED TO PAY FOR IT!”

Yep, all the goosestepping Code Pink commies that Paul attracts will solve that.


120 posted on 01/31/2012 4:47:59 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: newheart

“Ron Paul is far better situated within the Libertarian party than the so-called Libertarian wing of the Republican Party.”

How would you distinguish those two? Not stirring the pot here. Genuinely curious, as I see a lot of practical overlap between conservative and libertarian ideals. I also think that conservatives by themselves will lose election after election, despite being the largest plurality of the population.


121 posted on 01/31/2012 5:09:16 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Gov. Perry quit for the right reasons, in the right way, at the right time. Thank you, sir.)
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To: microgood

“Simple. He is the only candidate that does not want to dump 50 trillion dollars of debt in their lap. The current generation is the only one in our history that is fine with the fact that the next generation will be worse off than the current one.”

They may need to brace for rebuilding a successor state and culture in a post-USA America. If the hardcore Kremlin oppressors could fall, so could the softer and weepier Potomac oppressors. Bankruptcy leads to dissolution, and no nation lasts forever.


122 posted on 01/31/2012 5:19:47 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Gov. Perry quit for the right reasons, in the right way, at the right time. Thank you, sir.)
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To: Kennard

Agreed. They won’t be staying in Willard’s GOP though.


123 posted on 01/31/2012 6:46:09 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Gov. Perry quit for the right reasons, in the right way, at the right time. Thank you, sir.)
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To: Utmost Certainty

“Gee, maybe it’s because young people see the writing on the wall, that their future is being eviscerated by the extravagances and idiocy of the current generations in power. I fall into the 18-29 demographic and this is how I see it.”

I fall in the late middle age demographic. I see the same thing you do. I think the USA will go the same route as the USSR, and for similar reasons. Too much out, not enough in; bankruptcy followed by dissolution of the polity.


124 posted on 01/31/2012 6:49:27 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Gov. Perry quit for the right reasons, in the right way, at the right time. Thank you, sir.)
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To: sergeantdave

Watch his speech tonight and you will understand why young people love him.

And screw off with your code pink nonsense. How many more people do you want dead for those Muslim savages who hate us?


125 posted on 01/31/2012 6:49:49 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: G Larry

“of course...

our culture needs more poison in the system,

it’s important to send the message that being out of your mind relieves you of any responsibility,

and as long as there are some poisons available, let’s promote an ever expanding array of poisons with which to undermine ambition and productivity.

nice.....very “conservative”.....”

I have had a hand in securing more than 3,000 (three thousand) years of prison time for various offenders. The overwhelming majority of those offenders were convicted for possession of a controlled dangerous substance - they were drug offenders. Nothing changes, nothing improves.

The war on drugs is over. Illegal drugs won.

“Zero tolerance” posturing just keeps the prices up and in the hands of corrupt and vile men. See Mena Airport as an example. I do not abuse drugs. I do not like drug abusers. But the “war” is over, and it is a total defeat.


126 posted on 01/31/2012 6:57:57 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Gov. Perry quit for the right reasons, in the right way, at the right time. Thank you, sir.)
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To: Beelzebubba

“I’m for Newt, but would vote for Paul as 3rd party over Romney in a heartbeat.”

LOL! I *might* be able to do that, but it would be after a long series of heart palpitations and maybe an infarction . . .

But damn my soul if I will vote for Bishop Willard Hartpence Romney, Mighty Slayer of the Unborn, Defender of Bailouts and Oracle of Whatever You Want to Hear.


127 posted on 01/31/2012 7:08:17 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Gov. Perry quit for the right reasons, in the right way, at the right time. Thank you, sir.)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Watch your language, tough guy. FR is a civilized web site that welcomes reasoned debate, not left wing insults.


128 posted on 01/31/2012 7:16:26 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: sergeantdave

Really? Why don’t you look how Ron Paul supporters are treated on this site.

I have voted GOP my entire life and am told I belong at DU, am a pot head, am an anti Semite, etc.


129 posted on 01/31/2012 7:19:40 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: GlockThe Vote

“I have voted GOP my entire life and am told I belong at DU, am a pot head, am an anti Semite, etc.”

I hear you, Glock.

Let’s raise the level of discussion here on FR and you and me engage in a good debate.

I was involved in the libertarian party back in the 1990s and helped develop and promote the private property tenets of libertarianism as laid out by the Cato Instititute.

Cato published a well-developed treatise on the concept of private property, where it came from and how to defend private property when confronted.

I don’t think Ron Paul has a clue about the tenets of private property. I seriously question whether Paul is a libertarian. I base my opinion about Paul on the fact that he doesn’t recognize the United States, collectively, as the private property of the citizens of these united states.

I’ll end it here because I need to work tomorrow. We can pick up this discussion tomorrow. In the meantime, it’s your turn.

Confront my opinions. Challenge me. Add your own ideas.

Cheers, buddy.


130 posted on 01/31/2012 7:54:26 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: Psalm 144
They won’t be staying in Willard’s GOP though

That's why we need a true conservative, to nuture all those lost lambs: Reagan conservatives, libertarians, pro-lifers, free enterprisers, pro-military, 2nd amendment. Together, they're 60% of the electorate. All it takes is one charismatic individual to light the fire.

131 posted on 01/31/2012 7:55:58 PM PST by Kennard
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To: Kennard

I could not agree more. There is a tectonic plate shifting in the electorate right now. Doing things the country club way is not going to work for very much longer. Arguably, it is not working now.


132 posted on 01/31/2012 8:15:49 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Gov. Perry quit for the right reasons, in the right way, at the right time. Thank you, sir.)
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To: Psalm 144
Genuinely curious, as I see a lot of practical overlap between conservative and libertarian ideals.

Fair question. I agree that there is a lot of overlap between conservative and libertarian thought. The kind of conservatism advocated by Paul makes a conscious effort to divorce itself from any faith based justification for its belief in free and unfettered markets. Carried over into social issues it results in a pretty bizarre set of justifications for a laissez-faire approach to abortion, sexual behavior of all kinds, legalization of drugs, etc. It is as if the individual is set free, but without much responsibility except to oneself and to the market.

The Republican party is, IMHO divided among the eastern, establishment (once called the Rockefeller wing) which is fiscally conservative but socially moderate to liberal, followed by another group that is fiscally conservative but socially moderate (but not to the extent of the libertarians) and the values voters who are fiscally and socially conservative although a portion of that group is moderate to liberal on the fiscal side.

While it might be argued that Paul falls loosely in the second category, and I would not object to that, his tendency is simply to disrupt things in the Republican process, and then turn around and endorse the Libertarian candidate. That, as much as anything, tells,me who he is. That's fine, but I think he is dishonest in that regard and ties up a lot of votes that would go to another conservative in the race, in this case almost guaranteeing a Romney nomination.

133 posted on 01/31/2012 8:48:48 PM PST by newheart (What this country needs is a good dose of bran. Attack Muffins Unite!)
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To: Psalm 144
Genuinely curious, as I see a lot of practical overlap between conservative and libertarian ideals.

Fair question. I agree that there is a lot of overlap between conservative and libertarian thought. The kind of conservatism advocated by Paul makes a conscious effort to divorce itself from any faith based justification for its belief in free and unfettered markets. Carried over into social issues it results in a pretty bizarre set of justifications for a laissez-faire approach to abortion, sexual behavior of all kinds, legalization of drugs, etc. It is as if the individual is set free, but without much responsibility except to oneself and to the market.

The Republican party is, IMHO divided among the eastern, establishment (once called the Rockefeller wing) which is fiscally conservative but socially moderate to liberal, followed by another group that is fiscally conservative but socially moderate (but not to the extent of the libertarians) and the values voters who are fiscally and socially conservative although a portion of that group is moderate to liberal on the fiscal side.

While it might be argued that Paul falls loosely in the second category, and I would not object to that, his tendency is simply to disrupt things in the Republican process, and then turn around and endorse the Libertarian candidate. That, as much as anything, tells,me who he is. That's fine, but I think he is dishonest in that regard and ties up a lot of votes that would go to another conservative in the race, in this case almost guaranteeing a Romney nomination.

134 posted on 01/31/2012 8:48:48 PM PST by newheart (What this country needs is a good dose of bran. Attack Muffins Unite!)
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To: newheart; Psalm 144

I misspoke. He runs Republican then endorses outside the Republican party, I.e. Chuck Baldwin and Cynthia McKinney.


135 posted on 01/31/2012 8:55:46 PM PST by newheart (What this country needs is a good dose of bran. Attack Muffins Unite!)
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To: jpsb

Yep. Once “conservatives” are tempted to use Big Government to impose their version of social engineering, they get even more corrupted than liberals.


136 posted on 02/01/2012 6:50:36 AM PST by energized
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To: Carry_Okie
The whole educrat system needs to be replaced by private testing companies who WILL stand behind their validation services financially.

And I'm not hearing Ron Paul talking about that.

I'm not hearing ANY candidate talking about that. Ron Paul is certainly not the last word in reducing government to its proper scope.

137 posted on 02/01/2012 8:13:29 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Psalm 144
I have had a hand in securing more than 3,000 (three thousand) years of prison time for various offenders. The overwhelming majority of those offenders were convicted for possession of a controlled dangerous substance - they were drug offenders. Nothing changes, nothing improves.

The war on drugs is over. Illegal drugs won.

“Zero tolerance” posturing just keeps the prices up and in the hands of corrupt and vile men. See Mena Airport as an example. I do not abuse drugs. I do not like drug abusers. But the “war” is over, and it is a total defeat.

Well said! We were once wise enough to "surrender" in our War On Alcohol aka Prohibition - I hope we can muster the wisdom to take the same course with drug prohibition.

138 posted on 02/01/2012 8:18:19 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

What is so appealing about Ron Paul to young voters? they are on drugs....too easy...


139 posted on 02/01/2012 8:18:54 AM PST by Moby Grape (Formerly Impeach the Boy...name change necessary after the Marxist won)
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To: sergeantdave
recognize the United States, collectively, as the private property of the citizens of these united states.

"Collective property" is a potentially dangerous notion; I look forward to your fleshing out this thought.

140 posted on 02/01/2012 8:21:34 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Moby Grape
What is so appealing about Ron Paul to young voters? they are on drugs....too easy...

Yes, altogether too easy to paint ALL young Paul supporters with that brush (though I expect it's true of SOME young Paul supporters).

Where do you stand on the relegalization of drugs?

141 posted on 02/01/2012 8:25:30 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: newheart
a laissez-faire approach to abortion, sexual behavior of all kinds, legalization of drugs, etc. It is as if the individual is set free, but without much responsibility except to oneself and to the market.

Why does an individual have a "responsibility" to not ingest certain substances or engage in certain consensual adult sexual behavior? Those acts violate no other individual's rights. They may affect other individuals - but that's far too broad a standard for governmental action, as almost everything anyone does "affects" someone else in some way.

142 posted on 02/01/2012 8:31:21 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

There is too much money to be made in keeping them illegal. There is a very short transmission belt from street level proceeds to the hands of authorities. Very short. Not all authorities, but many.

I would add that I saw not a single drug abuser’s life improved by drug abusers, but a system where violent offenders are rolled out of prison to make room for some simple possession charge is broken in many ways and at many levels. Sounds good during elections though. “Zero tolerance!” Really? Then take away prosecutorial discretion, judicial discretion, pardons, paroles and ‘good time’. Won’t happen will it? ‘Zero tolerance’ is Purina sheep chow for the credulous reactionary.

Bitter? Damn right I am. And I was on the -enforcement- end!

Again I say, I -detest- drug abuse, but the ‘lock ‘em up and throw away the key’ is an utter fail, and has been for decades. Follow the money. It is meant to fail.


143 posted on 02/01/2012 8:46:48 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Gov. Perry quit for the right reasons, in the right way, at the right time. Thank you, sir.)
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To: jpsb
fatty food is bad for you too, sugar is a killer, caffeine dido and there is mercury in fish don’t ya know. No one should be allowed to ride a bike without a helmet, don’t forget to always walk with the traffic and only cross at the light. Oh do not even think about trying that black slope when all you have is a federally issued green slope license.

Because we regulate dangerous addictive drugs that not only kill the body, but destroy families and institutions, that does not mean we need to regulate everything. Your comparisons are as ludicrous as comparing pop-tarts to hand grenades in terms of danger to life and limb and show that you have no sense of discernment. There is a role for government, though considerably rolled back from where we are now. Conservatives are not anarchists.

Idiotic arguments like this are why I have no truck with libertarians.
144 posted on 02/01/2012 9:18:45 AM PST by Antoninus (Mitt Romney -- attempting to execute a hostile take-over of the Republican Party.)
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To: Antoninus

You are a idiot


145 posted on 02/01/2012 9:35:42 AM PST by jpsb
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

You’ve already been explained why drug legalization and Prohibition are not compatible. But, fools will stick with their postion, facts be damned.


146 posted on 02/01/2012 10:28:18 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: jmc813

Nearly all my comments regarding R-U-N Paul were on threads about politics. No need to worry about being de-friended. ;-)


147 posted on 02/01/2012 10:30:28 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: jpsb
"On February 7, 1984, President Reagan announced that he had asked for a plan for redeployment of the Marines from Beirut to ships offshore.

Nooooottttt exactly the same thing as pulling out of the ME. Reagan also ordered the attack against Libya. I have no doubt in my mind that were the 9/11/01 attacks to have occurred during Reagan's tenure, the U.S. would have jumped into the ME with both feet - possibly quicker than we did under Bush.

148 posted on 02/01/2012 10:34:21 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: Antoninus
You just got called “idiot” by a Paulitard...

Congrats...

LOL...

149 posted on 02/01/2012 10:59:10 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: SoldierDad

Discussing 20th and 21st century military and defensive tactics to a Paulitard is like explaining particle physics to Pygmies...


150 posted on 02/01/2012 11:02:22 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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