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Lincoln bishop: prepare for 'suffering' under HHS mandate
Catholic News Agency ^ | January 26, 2012 | The Most Reverend Fabian W. Bruskewitz

Posted on 01/31/2012 4:59:07 PM PST by The Shrew

Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz of LincolnLincoln, Neb., Jan 30, 2012 / 06:14 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- Catholics may have to suffer for the integrity of their institutions, Bishop Fabian W. Bruskewitz of Lincoln, Nebraska announced in his response to the Obama administration's contraception mandate.

“We cannot and will not comply with this unjust decree. Like the martyrs of old, we must be prepared to accept suffering which could include heavy fines and imprisonment,” Bishop Bruskewitz wrote in a letter he ordered to be read at every Sunday Mass in his diocese on Jan. 29.

“Our American religious liberty is in grave jeopardy,” he warned, describing the impact of new rules that Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius has instituted as part of federal health care reform.

Those rules, confirmed as final on Jan. 20, will require most religious employers to cover contraception and sterilization, including some abortion-causing drugs, in new health care plans. Sebelius has given religious groups an extra year to comply, but rejected calls for a broader exemption clause.

“This means that all of our Catholic schools, hospitals, social service agencies, and the like will be forced to participate in evil,” Bishop Bruskewitz explained.

The bishop recalled that the Church “has pleaded with President Obama to rescind this edict, but all pleas have been met with scorn and have fallen on deaf ears.”

He described Secretary Sebelius as a “bitter fallen-away Catholic,” and called her one-year deadline extension for non-exempt religious employers “an act of mockery” – because, he noted, “during that year, they must 'refer' people to the insurance that covers wicked deeds.”

A proposed U.S. Senate bill, the “Respect for Rights of Conscience Act,” would amend the health care law to let employers opt out of covering some services. Bishop Bruskewitz urged Catholics to call their elected representatives in support of the bill, and to protest the “outrage” of the contraception mandate.

Meanwhile, he said, the faithful should “pray and do penance that this matter may be resolved.”

The bishop of Lincoln was one of a large number of U.S. Church leaders voicing alarm over the weekend, in letters distributed to parishes and read at Mass regarding the Health and Human Services order.

In the Diocese of Phoenix, Catholics heard a message from Bishop Thomas J. Olmsted, who declared that people of faith would not be “made second-class citizens” and “stripped of their God-given rights.”

In Marquette, Michigan, Bishop Alexander K. Sample said that if the rule takes effect, “we Catholics will be compelled to either violate our consciences, or to drop health coverage for our employees and suffer the penalties for doing so.”

New Orleans Archbishop Gregory M. Aymond stressed the need for action in his letter to the faithful over the weekend, as he decried the “unprecedented attack on religious liberty” by which the state was “violating our rights to make choices based on our morals and Church teaching.”

Archbishop Aymond is in Rome for meetings with Vatican officials as well as Pope Benedict XVI, who issued his own warning to the U.S. Church just before Health and Human Services finalized the mandate.

In remarks to bishops of the Mid-Atlantic states on Jan. 19, the Pope said all U.S. Catholics must “realize the grave threats to the Church’s public moral witness presented by a radical secularism which finds increasing expression in the political and cultural spheres.”

The Bishop's Letter in Total

Office of the Bishop

This letter is to be read at all Masses in the Diocese of Lincoln at which the faithful are present the weekend of January 28-29, 2012. The reading is obligatory and is not to be a substitute for the homily, but is to be read as a part of parish announcements.

+ Fabian W. Bruskewitz, Bishop of Lincoln, January 26, 2012.

To the Clergy, Religious, and Faithful Laity of the Diocese of Lincoln:

Beloved in Christ,

The Catholic Bishops of the United States, led by Cardinal-designate Timothy Dolan, the President of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, are joining together to call the attention of all Catholics in our country to a serious attack upon our faith, upon our consciences, and upon our cherished freedom of religion. I am happy to join my voice and efforts to these Successors of the Apostles and to protest most strongly against a mandate, not even a duly passed law, issued by the Obama Administration that requires all Catholics in the United States to violate their consciences and support abortion, abortion-causing drugs, contraception and sterilization.

As you know, the buying of health insurance by every citizen of the USA is now compulsory by federal law. The same law gives to the Cabinet Secretary of Health and Human Services the authority over all health insurance. The present Secretary, Kathleen Sebelius, a bitter fallen-away Catholic, now requires that all insurance, even when issued privately, must carry coverage for evil and grave sin. This means that all of our Catholic schools, hospitals, social service agencies, and the like will be forced to participate in evil. The Catholic Church has pleaded with President Obama to rescind this edict, but all pleas have been met with scorn and have fallen on deaf ears. This mandate is accompanied by new attacks by the federal government on Catholic Relief Services and on the Bishops' work in immigration and refugee settlement services.

Secretary Sebelius, in an act of mockery, said that those who might quality for a conscientious exemption (almost no one), have one year to comply, but during that year they must "refer" people to the insurance that covers wicked deeds. We cannot and will not comply with this unjust decree. Like the martyrs of old, we must be prepared to accept suffering which could include heavy fines and imprisonment. Our American religious liberty is in grave jeopardy.

All Catholic are asked to pray and do penance that this matter may be resolved. All should contact their elected representatives to protest this outrage and to insist on the passage of the "Respect for Conscience" act which is now before Congress.

With my blessing and prayers for all of you and your loved ones, I am

Sincerely yours in Christ Jesus,

The Most Reverend Fabian W. Bruskewitz

Bishop of Lincoln


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To: Biggirl
Thanks for posting that. It proves the Catholic church at the highest levels are ready to fight this.

TS

51 posted on 01/31/2012 7:49:51 PM PST by The Shrew (www.wintersoldier.com; www.tstrs.com; The Truth Shall Set You Free!)
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To: The Shrew; redgolum; Biggirl

The rebuttal to those who claim that this will provoke a war would go something like this:

The religious people who are horrified by this will not place the blame with the rightful groups and individuals, but will blame “politics”. More evidence that politics is so corrupt it is best to stay completely out of it. The more they are persecuted, the more they will be disgusted with “politics”. (”All politicians are no good. They are all the same.”)

Forty years ago, some said, “things are not that bad! When they get really bad, then I will do something about it.” Now the same folks say, “things are so bad, there is nothing anyone can do about it.”

Self-governance is not seen as a Catholic concept, so it is not part of most Catholics’ religion. They believe that they have no obligation to participate in self-governance. Some believe that they are morally obligated to vote and doing so satisfies their civic duties.

Which Catholic theologian said:
“Piety in place of duty is no piety at all”? A lot of them pew-sitters have “bad theology” and they prolly ain’t gettin’ rid of it any time soon.


52 posted on 01/31/2012 8:08:27 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (and I will go to southern Maine to campaign against MITT.)
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To: ClearBlueSky

PING!Just incredible


53 posted on 01/31/2012 8:41:10 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Salvation

She’s downright creepy.


54 posted on 01/31/2012 8:45:21 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Lil Flower

No, they didn’t. They supported “health care reform” in the abstract, but not the bill that actually passed.


55 posted on 01/31/2012 8:54:30 PM PST by Campion ("It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins." -- Franklin)
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To: Salvation; SaraJohnson

Not technically excommunicated, but advised not to present herself for communion. Effectively the same thing as far as she’s concerned.


56 posted on 01/31/2012 8:56:34 PM PST by Campion ("It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins." -- Franklin)
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To: campaignPete R-CT
Self-governance is not seen as a Catholic concept, so it is not part of most Catholics’ religion. They believe that they have no obligation to participate in self-governance. Some believe that they are morally obligated to vote and doing so satisfies their civic duties.

Addressing here, not "what Catholics do" or "what Catholics think," but "what the Catholic Church teaches": there's actually a quote from either Pope Pius XII or Pope Pius XI -- I don't have it at my fingertips, but it's findable -- that says that the responsibility of voting in a democratic state is "grave matter" ... that is, to neglect to vote without a good reason, or to vote for an evil candidate when there is a good alternative, is mortal sin, capable of damning the individual to hell for eternity.

57 posted on 01/31/2012 9:02:09 PM PST by Campion ("It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins." -- Franklin)
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To: Salvation

I understand and agree with everything you have stated. However as the old saying goes, “if you don’t stand for something you’ll fall for anything.”
They have been too silent in the past. I hope this is the change finally needed to put a fire under them that will turn them into warriors!!


58 posted on 01/31/2012 9:12:18 PM PST by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God! ROLL TIDE!!)
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To: Salvation
<50 percent of Catholics (Catholics make up about 22 percent of the U.S. population.) approve of his presidency, down from 67 percent in his first six months in office> 50% is still too much! It shows a terrible lack of leadership, and a lack of real teaching, I for one would love to hear the truth spoken loudly and proudly at my Catholic Church! Let's all pray for some St. Paul's in the Church!! We need them so badly! I pray that this outrage is just what's needed so some of these Bishops will ride up!
59 posted on 01/31/2012 9:22:37 PM PST by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God! ROLL TIDE!!)
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To: The Shrew

Any regrets Doug Kmiec for backing this c***s*****?


60 posted on 01/31/2012 9:25:40 PM PST by Darren McCarty (Anybody but Romney or Obama)
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To: Lil Flower

There you go picking on the Catholics again, St. Therese of Liseiux/Little Flower.

Those are old numbers, I’m not really worried about them. What about the other denominations?


61 posted on 01/31/2012 9:33:34 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Campion

Well, too many use voting as a means of exonerating themselves or excusing themselves from any further political involvement.

Some might argue that the purpose of voting is to keep people from taking other political activity. It channels peoples political inpulses into the voting booth.

Your vote rarely matters. The outcome of elections determined by the person who draws the district lines. Let me draw the map and I will gladly permanently give up my right to vote.

Are we going to vote our ways out of this mess? Check the bulletin the first Sunday of NOV. Rarely is there a reminder of the obligation to vote.

There are exceptions. The conservative Catholics in Mass. campaigned hard for Scott Brown. But they are Mass. Democrats and it is part of their culture to know how to throw a punch.


62 posted on 01/31/2012 9:41:08 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (and I will go to southern Maine to campaign against MITT.)
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To: The Shrew

How little foresight they had about the jackboot that would come along with it!

Churches should be leery of favors from Caesar.


63 posted on 01/31/2012 10:34:39 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: campaignPete R-CT

I wish it could even provoke something a tenth as contentious as those OWS hippies’ demonstrations. It would sure as heck be better focused.


64 posted on 01/31/2012 10:39:47 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Ann Archy

Yep, they were granted an exemption from Obamacare... EVERY ONE OF THEM. At least that is what I read.


65 posted on 01/31/2012 10:40:18 PM PST by PastorBooks
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Maybe this is a big enough civil rights issue that even the unchurched will begin to care. Most Americans who are not outright atheists would probably agree it’s absurd in America to force people of any religion of the civilized world to do things they hold to be evil. If potential draftees could become conscientious objectors on religious grounds, then there shouldn’t even be a question about what “medical procedures” a church might not support on religious grounds, even while not being able to actually stop anybody from carrying them out on their own dime.

Too many churches lay down with dogs, and have gotten up with fleas. While the call to “do penance” (or repent) is not further elucidated in these announcements, surely the clear implication is that activists should be repenting from the role they played in cozying up to Caesar.


66 posted on 01/31/2012 10:49:10 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: PastorBooks

Surely you’d think there would be a lawsuit about this. Somewhere. Somehow. This kind of stuff is right down Jay Sekulow’s alley (ACLJ).


67 posted on 01/31/2012 10:50:24 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: The Shrew

The Democratic party prizes totalitarian atheist above all things, and at heart despises all religions including Catholics.

Perhaps because leftist see Goverment as their God, and thus the one and only God is in their eyes some kind of competition for the people’s loyalty’s.

One way or the other I suspect that the Catholic Church will be made to suffer for their defiance in defense of the convictions of their faith. Most likely Democrats will try to rob the Church of its Tax exempt status. That of course will be correctly portrayed as an open attack upon the catholic community as well as the 1st amendment.

Protestants should stand with their catholic brothers in solidarity in this regard. Our Godless Federal leaders are just as inclined to attack our convictions as they are that of the Catholics.

Stand together today or fall separately tomorrow.


68 posted on 02/01/2012 2:34:22 AM PST by Monorprise
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To: Honorary Serb

“Several Orthodox priests whom I know, including my own Confessor, say that there may well be martyrs in America in the near future.”

Let us hope it does not come to that, let us hope that theses nuts in Washington wise up before they let their ideological madness drive them to commit even greater evils.


69 posted on 02/01/2012 2:47:05 AM PST by Monorprise
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To: Gumdrop; A.A. Cunningham; redgolum
I'm glad to find out that this bishop is pro-life.

I would be even happier to find out that he is opposed to socialism in general, not just the small part of it that requires abortifacients in Catholic hospitals.

I would be ecstatic if that position was shared by the Catholic hierarchy in general.

70 posted on 02/01/2012 3:57:23 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Liberalism: Ideas so good, they have to be mandatory!!)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

I reply I could ask, then WHY did sales of guns GO UP last year?

Is it because folks are getting prepared “just in case” ?


71 posted on 02/01/2012 4:10:02 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Lil Flower

Well it is a good start.


72 posted on 02/01/2012 4:12:58 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Truth29
If tens of millions of Catholics told Obama no, how far would he go and what would the populace do?

What happened when scores of millions of Russian Orthodox told Stalin no?

Barky would love to tee up a bunch of stiffnecked white Catholics for the concentration camps.

73 posted on 02/01/2012 4:13:54 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Salvation
Obama won't have the support from many denominations that he had previously.

He may be working on a new plan, that won't need even that reduced support. Know what I mean?

74 posted on 02/01/2012 4:15:57 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: The Shrew

I saw a clip of Cardinal Dolan’s speech this morning. So glad the are fighting this.


75 posted on 02/01/2012 4:22:06 AM PST by jersey117 (Perry 2012)
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To: SaraJohnson

Her actions are not that of a bitter fallen-away Catholic. She is automatically ex-communicated from the Church.

Canon Law and Church Teaching

Canon 1398: “A person who procures a completed abortion incurs a latae sententiae excommunication.”

Canon 751: “Heresy is the obstinate denial or obstinate doubt after the reception of baptism of some truth which is to be believed by divine and Catholic faith; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him.”

Canon 1364 §1: “an apostate from the faith, a heretic, or a schismatic incurs a latae sententiae excommunication.”

The phrase “latae sententiae” means a judgment or sentence which is ‘wide’ (latae) or widely applied; it refers to a type of excommunication which is automatic. Such a sentence of excommunication is incurred “by the very commission of the offense,” (CCC 2272) and does not require the future particular judgment of a case by competent authority.

Apostasy, heresy, and schism are all offences which incur a sentence of excommunication automatically. Heresy is the obstinate denial of any truth of the Catholic faith, on a matter of faith or morals, which has been definitively taught by the Magisterium. The Magisterium has repeatedly and definitively taught that abortion is always gravely immoral. (CCC 2270 to 2275)


76 posted on 02/01/2012 4:56:03 AM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
And yet, Moslems are completely exempt from Obamacare for religious reasons.

It is not just moslems...

The Amish do not carry health insurance. The government respects their principles. Christian Scientists want to heal by prayer alone, and the new health-care reform law respects that...

http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/social_justice/sj0257.htm

77 posted on 02/01/2012 4:58:44 AM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: Salvation

48 percent is insane. This freak show communist usurper needs to be replaced ASAP


78 posted on 02/01/2012 5:01:54 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Campion

Ping to #76.

She bit the apple with this ruling.


79 posted on 02/01/2012 5:03:21 AM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: Biggirl

I am not sure if Catholics are buying guns.

D’you mean this group of Catholics is extremely passive when it comes to elections in their town, but take an aggressive approach when it comes to “preparedness” and self-defense?

Maybe the Catholics down in Meriden are buying guns, but they are a rowdy bunch of Democrats and swarmed to the polls for Blumenthal.


80 posted on 02/01/2012 5:25:12 AM PST by campaignPete R-CT (and I will go to southern Maine to campaign against MITT.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“And yet, Moslems are completely exempt from Obamacare for religious reasons.”

How so?


81 posted on 02/01/2012 5:28:19 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: SumProVita

EXEMPTIONS FROM INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY REQUIREMENTS.

—In the case of an individual who is seeking an exemption certificate under section 1311(d)(4)(H) from any requirement or penalty imposed by section 5000A, the following information:

In the case of an individual seeking exemption based on the individual’s status as a
member of an exempt religious sect or division, as a member of a health care sharing ministry, as an Indian,
or as an individual eligible for a hardship exemption, such information as the Secretary shall prescribe.”

Senate Bill, H.R. 3590, pages 273-274

There are several reasons why an individual could claim exemption, being a member of a religion that does not believe in insurance is one of them. Islam is one of those religions. Muslims believe that health insurance is “haraam”, or forbidden; because they liken the ambiguity and probability of insurance to gambling. This belief excludes them from any of the requirements, mandates, or penalties set forth in the bill. Other excluded groups include Amish, American Indians, and Christian Scientists.

So, is it that easy? Is simply being a member of an “recognized religious sect” enough to exempt an individual from Obamacare? Not quite…the information provided by each individual must first be verified against the records of the Social Security Administration, and possibly Homeland Security, in order to prove citizenship and religious status. If the records are found to be consistent with the information for the individual applying for exemption, only then are they eligible. If the records are found to inconsistent with such information, the individual applying for exemption is given 90 days to clear up any possible errors with the reporting agencies. That 90 day period can be extended upon the discretion of the Secretary of applicable agencies. If, by the end of this period, the information is still not cleared up, the individual can then apply for an appeal. Whereby exemption can be decided, or reevaluated on a periodic basis, by the individual agencies in question. The appeals process is determined by the individual agencies involved

In short, each individual applying for exemption must verify that they are citizens and that they are actually members of a “recognized religious sect.”

If the individual can make it through all of the bureaucracy involved in this process, they can then obtain exemption. Trust me the federal government doesn’t want to make it easy for anyone to get out of participating in the system.

The real question is, ”which religions qualify for exemption?” It’s easy to argue that Muslims, Christian Scientists, and the Amish will be “recognized,” because they have a moral conflict with insurance. However, what argument will Christians be able to make for exemption? Will they be able to claim exemption due to a moral conflict with publicly funded abortions? Not likely.

http://libertyandpride.com/muslims-exempt-from-obamacare/


82 posted on 02/01/2012 5:34:25 AM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: Salvation

“What is the one church that has stood against
contraception,
Euthanasia,
Abortion,
Same sex marriage,
Embronic stem cell research

And is still standing and will continue to oppose these policies? The Catholic Church.....why do you think the media and the dims hate the Catholic Church so much?”

This deserves repeating and maybe this latest blatant evil and anti-Americanism offered up by the Obama administration will finally WAKE UP the liberal CINO’s in this nation!


83 posted on 02/01/2012 5:37:11 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Notary Sojac

Careful....THIS Bishop has been spiritually strong and quite vocal about our rapidly secularizing culture of death for a LONG time!!!!!


84 posted on 02/01/2012 5:41:43 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: campaignPete R-CT

I think you might want to do a bit of research, sir.


85 posted on 02/01/2012 5:48:38 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I FULLY expect this to go to court...and I expect to win!


86 posted on 02/01/2012 5:52:13 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: The Shrew

I hope this comes to a head — civil disobedience, jail, etc.


87 posted on 02/01/2012 6:21:14 AM PST by Sloth (If a tax break counts as "spending" then every time I don't rob a bank should be a "deposit.")
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To: SumProVita

I been researchin’ since ‘76. Will do more research at the Maine caucus this weekend. One of the reasons I am driving is that Rick Santorum does not have ONE volunteer in the entire state. Not good. Neither does NEWT.

Example? I was in NY=23 for the Doug Hoffman race. Some young folks with Susan Anthony List came up from VA. When they attended Mass, the local folks at the parish were rude to them. “I wish you folks would take your politics to somebody else’s town ...” I met the pastor myself ... nasty old hoot.

Most Catholic pew-sitters don’t do elections. And they don’t much like pro-life activists.

It is probably just an east coast thing.


88 posted on 02/01/2012 6:24:07 AM PST by campaignPete R-CT (and I will go to southern Maine to campaign against MITT.)
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To: Monorprise

There are a lot more sources of potential (and actual) persecution of Christians in our country than just the government.

“Political correctness” is a form of persecution, but not one that usually leads to martyrdom (as of yet). Just think about the large numbers of institutions in our society that enforce “political correctness”!!!!


89 posted on 02/01/2012 6:32:13 AM PST by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: The Shrew

For those who contemplate disobedience, civil or otherwise, and who court martyrdom, that may not be as easy as one might think.

For smaller organizations, it will become impossible to buy health insurance that doesn’t have the contraceptive/abortifacient converage. No secular company will offer insurance without it, as they just won’t have the legal ability to do so, nor will they much care to do so. No state insurance commission will license a company, even church-owned or sponsored, that won’t comply with federal law.

For larger organizations, it will also become impossible to provide health insurance without this coverage. These organizations typically self-insure, and they can design their own health insurance plans. But those plans must still meet certain federal requirements, and the contraceptive/abortifacient requirement will be part of those. They could attempt to design and implement such a plan, but these plans need companies that serve as third-party administrators, and the TPAs also can’t administer plans that don’t meet federal requirements.

If organizations drop their plans altogether, they will be fined for each employee. This fine essentially serves as a premium for each employee to get their insurance, then, directly from the government. Which will, of course, have the coverage for contraception/abortifacients.

Failure to pay the fines will ultimately result in the government, probably through the IRS, seizing the money by force from the dissenting organizations.

Upon seizure of the money, the government will have the choice of either persecuting the offending organizations further, or concluding, hey, we got the money, these folks are part of the system, whether they like it or not, we don’t need to make martyrs of them.

The upshot will be that Catholic organizations will wind up seeing their funds used to buy insurance with these coverages, whether they like it or not, and may not actually suffer further consequences other than having their money legally stolen by the government to pay for this intrinsic evil.

The only way to escape would be to try to function without any paid workers whatsoever. Which would curtail most of the Church’s activities.


90 posted on 02/01/2012 6:39:03 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: The Shrew; All

This applies to all churches, correct? Not just Catholic.

What an evil regime we are under, and our choice may be something just as bad in November.


91 posted on 02/01/2012 7:28:31 AM PST by boxlunch
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To: Jim Robinson

We (Christians) should all be ready to accept some level of persecution from the obama admin if he’s re-elected. If this is what he does to a traditional dem voter base in an election year imagine what he’ll be like if re-elected!


92 posted on 02/01/2012 7:43:09 AM PST by pgkdan (Rick Santorum 2012. Conservative's last, best chance!)
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To: The Shrew

So don’t comply, not the schools, not the hospitals, not the social service agencies, not any Catholic organization. If tens of millions of Catholics told Obama no, how far would he go and what would the populace do?
This may finally be the thing that makes the Catholic Bishops go after their apostate Democrat politicians. The fact that there is no record of Democrat Catholic politicians revolting tells two tales. 1. They are not revolting and 2. The MSM isn’t covering them if they are.

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Ha. They need to go after their apostate PARISHIONERS, as well.

Many Catholics have dropped off from towing the line on birth control AND abortions and think nothing of it.

It’s called CINOS. They’re everywhere.

My own MIL PROMOTED the pill with her daughter. She knew she’d raised the girl to be a non-church going tramp, so the next step was to put her on the pill.

I converted to Catholicism. I am subtley MOCKED within the family for being “so conservative” in my views.

Sorry to inject my personal story, but there are millions of Catholics who go to Mass, even are involved deeply in the church, but who do not follow the rules in their personal lives.

I think this has everything to do with this issue on many levels. God is not fooled. Catholics need to look at themselves in the mirror as well.


93 posted on 02/01/2012 8:21:11 AM PST by LibsRJerks
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To: The Shrew
...describing the impact of new rules that Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius has institutedF..

This 'rule' is a 'law' that wasn't passed by congress and signed by a president.

This is nothing short of tyranny.
94 posted on 02/01/2012 8:25:12 AM PST by rottndog (Be Prepared for what's coming AFTER America....)
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To: rottndog
...describing the impact of new rules that Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius has institutedF..

This 'rule' is a 'law' that wasn't passed by congress and signed by a president.

This is nothing short of tyranny.

"Stoke of the pen. Law of the land. Kinda cool." Paul Begala

That's how Democrats like to rule.

TS

95 posted on 02/01/2012 8:37:44 AM PST by The Shrew (www.wintersoldier.com; www.tstrs.com; The Truth Shall Set You Free!)
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To: The Shrew
The Catholic Church in America will quietly acquiesce to the Obama regime in order to keep the money flowing and the 501(c)(3) slavery provision intact, and will thus cease to be Catholic. The TRUE Church will then be cut off from the mainstream and go underground. This cleavage will almost perfectly align with the Order of the Mass. The Novus Ordo “new Mass” parishes will surrender to the Obama regime because the Novus Ordo Mass was an invention and a tactical maneuver by the Marxist-homosexualist infiltrators in the 1960s. The Traditional Latin Mass parishes, and those priests, religious and laity who pray the Latin Mass will remain faithful to Our Lord, will go underground, and will eventually be hunted, imprisoned and killed.

Ann Barnhardt: The Entire Sad Contraception Issue Explained
(Long, utterly devastating read)

96 posted on 02/01/2012 9:09:04 AM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

“Most Catholic pew-sitters don’t do elections. And they don’t much like pro-life activists.”

The Catholics you refer to are not generally found in the pews. They are CINO’s.


97 posted on 02/01/2012 10:04:57 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: The Shrew

Does anyone here from Kansas know in what diocese this evil witch Sebelius resides and who the bishop is? She should be formally and publicly excommunicated. I understand that excommunication is a self-executing thing (latae sententiae) in most cases but the Church NEEDS to hold this evil thing up before the public as poster thing for excommunication. Long before she joined Obozo, Sebelius was politically snuggling with the notorious abortionist of Wichita, the late Killer Tiller. That she has not yet been publicly excommunicated is in itself a scandal. If someone posts the diocese and bishop, send him respectful letters requesting that he excommunicate her for her extraordinary efforts to maximize baby-killing and because she is a scandal to the Church.


98 posted on 02/01/2012 10:50:47 AM PST by BlackElk ( Dean of Discipline ,Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Burn 'em Bright!)
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To: Notary Sojac
I doubt that either of those political apostate "Catholics" ever approached for the Eucharist at any parish in Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz's Lincoln, Nebraska, diocese. Proof? Teddy died of natural causes and San Fran Nan still draws breath through her oft-altered face.

Bishop Bruskewitz did a blanket excommunication of all members of Planned Barrenhood, NARAL, Catholics for Choice, and several "progressive Catholic" (which is to say CINO) groups like Call to Action. The response from the groups was to have people wearing buttons indicating membership aproach for the Eucharist. Under Bruskewitz's orders, they were uniformly turned away. They stopped chalenging him. Regrettably, he has reached (or will this year reach) the age of 75 when he must submit his resignation to Rome. The Vatican may accept that resignation at any time but may delay for additional time until he is 80. Few bishops are allowed to serve past 80. I'd like to see him appointed to Sebelius's diocese so that he can do the dishonors of excommunicating her. There is an old ritual which might be used and might well appeal to Bishop Bruskewitz, having to do with turning altar candles upside down, one after another, at the altar of the cathedral as the formal decree of her excommunication is formally pronounced by the bishop. Regrettably the discipline of the stake and other appropriate medieval remedies are no longer available. OTOH, there would certainly be plenty of publicity as her secular humanism was formally recognized by the bishop of the diocese where her residence is located.

99 posted on 02/01/2012 11:18:35 AM PST by BlackElk ( Dean of Discipline ,Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Burn 'em Bright!)
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To: campaignPete R-CT
Peter:

You just gotta stop being such a relentless Pollyanna!

If you are not already in the Knights of Columbus, join before it is too late. Make Scott join as well. Russell Council #10 at New Haven (nice HQ at State Street near Chapel Street) or San Salvador #1 (probably at St. Aedan's in Westville). Join an old traditional council in any event. There are plenty in Connecticut. You pay your dues and you get a traveling card that admits you to any council meeting of any council anywhere.

100 posted on 02/01/2012 11:30:42 AM PST by BlackElk ( Dean of Discipline ,Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Burn 'em Bright!)
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