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Argentinians label Prince William 'The Conqueror' over his posting to the Falklands
Daily Mail (UK) ^ | 1st February 2012 | Jill Reilly

Posted on 02/01/2012 1:46:16 PM PST by naturalman1975

Prince William has been branded a 'conqueror' by Argentina ahead of his deployment to the Falkland Islands as an RAF search-and-rescue pilot.

The comment came with tensions running high over the disputed islands, which Buenos Aires calls Las Malvinas.

Yesterday the Ministry of Defence (MoD) said that one of the Royal Navy’s most advanced new warships is being sent to the area.

Britain is sending the £1billion Type 45 destroyer Dauntless on a seven-month deployment to the South Atlantic while Buenos Aires ratchets up pressure over sovereignty of the islands.

The vessel, which bristles with fearsome anti-aircraft weapons, will patrol the coastline during celebrations to mark the liberation of the islands 30 years ago.

However, the MoD stressed that the March mission was routine and a Royal Navy spokesman rejected suggestions the decision to send the ultra-modern destroyer to the region represented an escalation of the UK’s position.

'The Royal Navy has had a continuous presence in the South Atlantic for many years. The deployment of HMS Dauntless to the South Atlantic has been long planned, is entirely routine and replaces another ship on patrol,' he said.

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Prince William, a Flight Lieutenant with the RAF, will deploy to the remote outcrop in the South Atlantic for six weeks to fly search and rescue helicopter missions.

Gen Richards stressed the Duke of Cambridge's deployment was routine for an RAF Sea King pilot, pointing out Prince Harry was sent to Afghanistan as a forward air controller in 2008.

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1 posted on 02/01/2012 1:46:21 PM PST by naturalman1975
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To: naturalman1975

Don’t cry for me, Argentina...


2 posted on 02/01/2012 1:47:00 PM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: naturalman1975
Well, if William was a FAC, and is now doing SAR, he's got my respect for him as a man.

/johnny

3 posted on 02/01/2012 1:50:19 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: naturalman1975
I sort of brushed by the 1982 Falklands effort. I was in Norway as part of a combined NATO excercise with the RN and Royal Marines. The conflict broke out, and the RN and Marines made pit stops in Portsmouth and the other naval bases, then continued right on to the Falklands and war, having just sharpend their drills in cold/wet fighting in Norway.

The Brits might not have a big force any more, but let nobody doubt their professionalism and courage. Not for a second! They are world class in their categories, ship for ship and battalion for battalion.

4 posted on 02/01/2012 1:50:45 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Anybody who gets into helicopters ever day for a living is a hero in my book.

They look at flaming death and laugh every time they fire up the turbines.


5 posted on 02/01/2012 1:52:00 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

The Argies have not really updated their military since 1982.


6 posted on 02/01/2012 1:54:01 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: naturalman1975

Have we gotten to a wussification point in history where being called “the conqueror” is a negative?


7 posted on 02/01/2012 1:54:43 PM PST by wolfman23601
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To: Travis McGee

“10,000 rivets flying in formation.”


8 posted on 02/01/2012 1:56:10 PM PST by donozark (It's hard to afford a psychiatrist when you work at a gas station.)
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To: naturalman1975

Argentina’s greed for the Falklands is exactly that, unmitigated colonialist greed. Never mind that Argentina nor Argentinians have done SQUAT there for centuries, that it was almost entirely colonized by the British, is entirely occupied BY British AND routinely votes overwhelmingly to REMAIN British.

This is rather like Gibraltar and Spain. Not happening. Get over it. It’d be like the USA deciding, in 2012, that “We’re closer to Martinique than France is, so it’s not French anymore. Nonny-nonny.”

Might the Falklands be Argentinian if we somehow newly discovered the islands, pristine and uninhabited by humans, today? Sure. But that’s not the situation.


9 posted on 02/01/2012 1:59:47 PM PST by pogo101
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To: naturalman1975

Interesting that the US overlooks its own Monroe Doctrine concerning the Falkland incursions.


10 posted on 02/01/2012 2:00:21 PM PST by Mashood
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To: wolfman23601

You do know its the Argentinians who are calling him that? The country that elected a Socialist woman who thinks she’s Evita? So, Socialists are calling him “The Conqueror”.


11 posted on 02/01/2012 2:00:39 PM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: naturalman1975

The scar on Kirchner’s throat from her recent thyroid surgery is quite visible and she does not look all that well. Few do after such surgery. Benign. But still traumatic. Best if she sits this one out. Better to verbalize against Britain than attack the Falklands. Nothing to gain. Much to lose.


12 posted on 02/01/2012 2:01:26 PM PST by donozark (It's hard to afford a psychiatrist when you work at a gas station.)
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To: naturalman1975

All the Brits have to do is send a squad of Gurkhas down there and the enemy will run screaming for home.


13 posted on 02/01/2012 2:02:38 PM PST by Argus
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To: Travis McGee
They look at flaming death and laugh every time they fire up the turbines.

Yep.

Helicopters don't fly.

They're so ugly the Earth repels them.

14 posted on 02/01/2012 2:05:24 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Argus
All the Brits have to do is send a squad of Gurkhas down there and the enemy will run screaming for home.

And I wouldnt blame them a bit - those little guys are scary, and are always smiling while being scary!

15 posted on 02/01/2012 2:07:51 PM PST by AzSteven ("War is less costly than servitude, the choice is always between Verdun and Dachau." Jean Dutourd)
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To: naturalman1975

Talk about sending a message, Sending the newest ship in the fleet and a Prince down there to show the flag. A pretty smart move by the Royal Navy.


16 posted on 02/01/2012 2:33:02 PM PST by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: ArrogantBustard

“Helicopters don’t really fly, they beat the air into submission.”

Anyway, the Argies are probably still miffed at the Brits not only since Falklands, but since WWII when Juan Peron ousted his pro-U.K. predecesssor and threw in their lot with the Nazis. Juan & Evita’s own brand of national socialism bankrupted the third strongest industrial economy in the Hemisphere, and Argentina has never fully recovered.

So all they can do now is blow razzberries at a British prince.


17 posted on 02/01/2012 2:37:14 PM PST by elcid1970 ("Deport all Muslims. Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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To: pogo101

“This is rather like Gibraltar and Spain.”

Bad example; Spain owned Gibraltar before.

In the end these outposts simply drain British resources as their country continues its decline; the sun set on them a long time ago. Soon the “British” units in Gibraltar, the Falklands, and northern Ireland will all be Jamaican, Pakistani, and West African units anyway.


18 posted on 02/01/2012 2:46:08 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: kearnyirish2

You’re right that Gibraltar had been Spanish. My bad. My point was primarily (not entirely) about “who’s living there now, and how do they vote, plebiscite-wise?”

And it may be true that it would be a good economic idea for the UK to investigate selling (in effect) some of its far-flung, tiny, non-wealth-producing dependencies.

But Argentina’s notion that “It’s just ours, because, um, it’s sorta close to us, and because Shut Up,” is nonsense.


19 posted on 02/01/2012 2:49:27 PM PST by pogo101
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To: pogo101

“My point was primarily (not entirely) about “who’s living there now, and how do they vote, plebiscite-wise?”

Another very poor example. As per, China invading Tibet. Relocating its citizens throughout China and moving Chineese in to Tibet. Destroy the culture but hey, they now have the vote.
And though the Chi-coms claim Tibet to historically being part of China, that too is B.S.


20 posted on 02/01/2012 3:02:03 PM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: pogo101

Plebescites are irrelevant in these situations because those sent to occupy the land are naturally going to support the colonizer/occupier. Britain flooded the north of Ireland with Protestants to give them a majority, and I don’t care what those transplants want in terms of government. At this point they only hold their “majority” by lumping all non-Catholics (including Hindus, Muslims, etc.) into one bloc.

Western Sahara alledged the same against Morocco when Spain withdrew; Morocco sent settlers in to support Moroccan rule, and the matter still hasn’t been resolved (Spain left around 1975). The “consent of the transplant” is irrelevant, maybe not legally, but certainly morally.


21 posted on 02/01/2012 3:05:09 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: ClayinVA

“Talk about sending a message, Sending the newest ship in the fleet and a Prince down there to show the flag. A pretty smart move by the Royal Navy.”

Thats what the Royal Navy has a lot of experience in... pulling its sailors out of the water.


22 posted on 02/01/2012 3:05:18 PM PST by Mashood
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To: pogo101
far-flung, tiny, non-wealth-producing dependencies

I believe (don't have the source handy) that significant oil reserves have been found in the Falklands. They may well end up earning their keep. Another reason, of course, for Argentina to really, really want them.

23 posted on 02/01/2012 3:09:06 PM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: Joe Boucher; kearnyirish2

I think the point about plebiscites being meaningless is correct where the occupier indeed strictly limits who can live in the territory. I don’t know the degree to which that’s true of the Falklands, but it is probably substantial (particularly since 1982!).

China invading Tibet, however, is a “another very poor example,” to use your terms, of why plebiscites aren’t a good measure. Tibet was inhabited when China invaded it. The Falklands were uninhabited when the British arrived; they didn’t kick out any “native Malivinians.”

Anyhoo, I’ve cluttered my main point with some bad examples, but it remains that Argentina’s claim on the Falklands is weak compared to that of the UK — unless we are going to revert to a standard of “if it’s closer to your continent, then your claim is better.”


24 posted on 02/01/2012 3:14:25 PM PST by pogo101
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To: Mashood
Interesting that the US overlooks its own Monroe Doctrine concerning the Falkland incursions.

Incursions ?

The Falklands are no different than Cayman Islands, Tristan Da Cunha, Turks and Caicos, Pitcairn Islands, Diego Garcia and all the other bits and pieces left over from the British Empire many of which the US uses from time to time e.g. Diego Garcia and air bases in Cyprus.

France doesn't just occupy some of its old colonies it actually incorporates them into France itself e.g. French Guyana in South America. It also retained a couple of islands in the Gulf of St Lawrence off the coast of Newfoundland.( St Pierre et Miquelon)

25 posted on 02/01/2012 3:20:05 PM PST by Timocrat (Ingnorantia non excusat)
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To: pogo101

Argentina’s claim on the Falklands is weak compared to that of the UK — unless we are going to revert to a standard of “if it’s closer to your continent, then your claim is better.”

Well put; I understand.


26 posted on 02/01/2012 3:21:16 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: ArrogantBustard

A million spare parts, all made by the lowest bidders, flying and shaking in close formation.


27 posted on 02/01/2012 3:22:35 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: donozark

Exactly.


28 posted on 02/01/2012 3:26:13 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: kearnyirish2

When did 100s of Argentinians live on the Falklands. Please refresh my memory of that epoch.

Do you support the gringos leaving the American southwest, because it was part of Mexico for about 25 years? Or should it go back to the king of Spain? Or the Indians? Or whom?


29 posted on 02/01/2012 3:30:00 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Timocrat

The Caribean islands are self governed and autonomous from Britain. Though within the sphere of influence of the Americas, wars are not being fought over these interests. Diego Garcia, the Pitcairns, Cyprus air bases are not with this sphere. The Falklands are inhabited by 14 people, who’s, according to the article, destiny is now determined to be “non-negotiable”.

France has always, since the French Revolution, absorbed its world holdings as a part of France... its not autonomous.


30 posted on 02/01/2012 3:37:13 PM PST by Mashood
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To: Mashood
Interesting that the US overlooks its own Monroe Doctrine concerning the Falkland incursions.

Absolutely incorrect. The Monroe Doctrine only applied to 1.) establishment of new colonies and 2.) involvement in the internal affairs of Western Hemisphere nations.

Whether the British return to the Falklands in the early 1800s was the establishment of a new colony (as opposed to the reassertion of authority over existing territory) is debatable. What isn't debatable is that the US has for a very very long time supported the UK's claim to the Islands.
31 posted on 02/01/2012 3:37:12 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter

It might be that the US preceived its support due to post WWII ties with its allies... I don’t know, but the fact remains that our incursions into the Americas (Nicaragua (several times), Cuba, Panama, Columbia, Venezuela, Mexico, etc...) are due mainly to the Monroe Doctrine and support for the establishment of democratic states within the Americas.


32 posted on 02/01/2012 3:52:52 PM PST by Mashood
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To: JRandomFreeper

Prince William is the search and rescue pilot, his brother, Prince Harry, went to Afghanistan as a FAC.


33 posted on 02/01/2012 3:53:29 PM PST by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: Mashood
but the fact remains that our incursions into the Americas (Nicaragua (several times), Cuba, Panama, Columbia, Venezuela, Mexico, etc...) are due mainly to the Monroe Doctrine and support for the establishment of democratic states within the Americas.

Yes, when it's clear that there's foreign/European intervention in those states internal affairs. Such as was the case with Grenada (Soviet Union through their Cuban surrogates) and Nicaragua (their Sandinista clients) in the 1980s

There's no evidence that the UK was attempting - or is attempting - to "meddle" in the internal affairs of Argentina. Only maintain a claim over a set of islands first established before the Monroe Doctrine was created and reestablished (with US acknowledgement) when the Doctrine was in its infancy.
34 posted on 02/01/2012 3:57:26 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: Timocrat

Interesting you should mention the two French islands in the Gulf of St. Lawrence. After the French lost the French & Indian War they ceded all of their remaining terrrotory to the British. They were allowed to keep two small islands, so that, according to my college History prof, they would have some land to support their fisheries. French fisherman would catch cod and be able to land them on their islands so that the fish could be dried, salted, and packed for shipment back to France.


35 posted on 02/01/2012 4:00:36 PM PST by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: Mashood
Never let historical facts interfere with a good rant, but the British claim to the Falklands dates to 1690 at the very latest while the Monroe Doctrine wasn't announced until late in 1823. Argentina, by the way, didn't become a country until 1825.
36 posted on 02/01/2012 4:19:51 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mashood

The civilian population of the Falklands, according to the 2006 census, was 2,955; about 70% of the residents trace their roots to Great Britian, none to Argentina. The current civilian population is estimated to be closer to 3,500.


37 posted on 02/01/2012 4:35:10 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Travis McGee

True dat, Trav. The Royal Marines were returning to the UK after Arctic training. They still had their Arctic kit and were sent to the South Atlantic’s [ate autumn climate. The Argies, on the other hand, sent their jungle troops with their tropical kit to those inhospitable latitudes. They were drawn from Jungle Regiments along the Brazilian and Paraguayan borders. They were totally unprepared for their campaign. The Argie Air Force, however, gave a fair account of themselves. I was stationed in the Military Attache Office in the U S Embassy in Buenos Aires 1986-1989.


38 posted on 02/01/2012 8:14:05 PM PST by Ax ( He's the only guy I ever knew that was trampled in a giraffe stampede.)
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To: wolfman23601

I think the insult is calling him French.


39 posted on 02/01/2012 9:52:52 PM PST by Oztrich Boy
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To: Travis McGee

{Do you support the gringos leaving the American southwest, because it was part of Mexico for about 25 years?}

Support it or not, they are self deporting, to Arizona, Nevada, and Southern Oregon.


40 posted on 02/01/2012 10:53:46 PM PST by itsahoot (Killing humans can't be immoral else pulling weeds from the garden would be.)
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To: pogo101

Like you say, “anyhoo”,
it makes for great theater as once again we may get a front row seat for another Argentine ass whoopin by the Britts.
I think it is simply a way or the Argentine leaders to take the peoples minds off their problems.


41 posted on 02/02/2012 3:30:15 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: Ax

It was an interesting time. The Brits sure had luck on their side! Their amphibious ships were already loaded, their troops freshly drilled at cold/wet ops. All they had to do was reprovision, fuel, and head south.

Did you ever hear the story of the first-ever combat use of the Stinger missile?


42 posted on 02/02/2012 6:31:59 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Mr. Lucky

“The current civilian population is estimated to be closer to 3,500.” Yeah... 3000 of which are military.


43 posted on 02/02/2012 7:07:09 AM PST by Mashood
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To: Travis McGee

Can’t say that I have, Trav.


44 posted on 02/02/2012 11:03:09 AM PST by Ax ( He's the only guy I ever knew that was trampled in a giraffe stampede.)
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To: Mashood
“The current civilian population is estimated to be closer to 3,500.” Yeah... 3000 of which are military.

I'm afraid not. Military personnel and dependents were not counted in the last census as resident on the islands, which in 2006 indicated there were about 2995 local residents of the islands. With an estimated population growth rate of 2.44% per annum, around 3,400-3,500 is probably about right at the moment.

The British Forces Garrison normally amounts to about 1200 which gives the Islands a total population of around 4,700 - 5,000 (the number of military dependents varies and accounts for the variations).

The population isn't large - but what's the magic number to make somewhere worth defending?

45 posted on 02/02/2012 12:31:19 PM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: Ax; archy; Squantos

Great! Love telling this one. Supposedly, and I heard it from a guy who heard it from a guy, (so you know it’s true), this is what happened. When the Argie air threat became obvious, one of our C-130s which was shuttling gear to the Brits via Ascencion Island (or whatever that lily pad island was) was loaded with Stingers on a rush basis. No trainers, no instructions beyond the cartoon-level instructions on the missile cases. As the story goes, they arrived on the beach literally as the air raid was sounding, and were opened and prepared just in time to blow away some Argie A-4s, head on, as Stingers can do. “Bloody good kit!” and all that. I swear I heard nearly the same story from several special operator types who were in tight with the Brits who were there. Regardless, it’s a great story.


46 posted on 02/02/2012 12:59:11 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Mashood
The Caribean islands are self governed and autonomous from Britain.

Foreign affairs for the Caribean(sic) Islands are still handled by the UK, as they are for the Falklands. The CIA World Fact Book describes the Falklands as a self governing overseas territory of the UK., as it does for Bermuda, Anguilla, Turks and Caicos, Montserrat

Though within the sphere of influence of the Americas, wars are not being fought over these interests

The UK has in the past defended its Overseas territories and dependencies in the Americas as and when needed even after they achieve full independence e.g. Belize was threatened by Guatamala until the UK sent some ground forces and a squadron of Harriers to Belize

The Falklands are inhabited by 14 people...

Well, actually, no. According to the CIA World Fact Book the population of the Falklands as of July 2008 was 3140.

France has always, since the French Revolution, absorbed its world holdings as a part of France... its not autonomous.

So let me get this straight, if a territory in the Americas has all its laws set in an European capital viz Paris, it doesn't conflict with the Munroe Doctrine but if its an autonomous self governing entity that has only its foreign affairs taken care of by a European power it does conflict with the Doctrine.

47 posted on 02/02/2012 1:08:21 PM PST by Timocrat (Ingnorantia non excusat)
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To: ops33
Interesting you should mention the two French islands in the Gulf of St. Lawrence.

If you're interested in those islands there's a french movie called The Widow of St Pierre. Didn't care for the movie much except it had the absolutely delicious Juliette Binoche in it.

48 posted on 02/02/2012 2:29:41 PM PST by Timocrat (Ingnorantia non excusat)
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To: Timocrat

Never seen the movie but a Canadian friend of mine said the two islands are quite pretty, good place to visit. I didn’t ask him if a passport was needed, I suspect that, for simplicity’s sake, Canadians visiting the islands don’t need a passport.


49 posted on 02/02/2012 4:06:50 PM PST by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: Travis McGee

Great story, but tragic. The aviators in the Military Attache Office had been good friends with some of the Argie A-4 pilots and were sorry to learn of their fate. The worst aspect of that whole conflict was that the Brits and Argies were old friends and this just broke a lot of their hearts. Even in the late 80s, the Argies liked the Brits more than they liked us. Got into an argument with some Argies the night before I PCSd out of there. They wanted to know why the US supported the UK and not Argentina. I asked them how many Argie regiments went ashore at Normandy with our men, and how many Argie regiments fought alongside us in Korea. Shut them up.


50 posted on 02/02/2012 8:32:41 PM PST by Ax
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