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Strip clubs, casinos, and liquor stores to be eliminated from welfare debit card access
http://www.examiner.com/social-evolution-in-national/strip-clubs-casinos-and-liquor-stores-to-be-eliminated-from-welfare-debit-card ^ | February 1, 2012 | Martha

Posted on 02/01/2012 2:32:39 PM PST by usalady

Money meant to help families on welfare provide the necessities of life are apparently being used inappropriately by some recipients.

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On Wednesday, February 1, 2012, members of the U.S. House of Representatives began debating HB 3567 and will vote on whether or not to amend title IV of the Social Security Act to require States to implement policies to prevent assistance under the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) from being used in strip clubs, casinos, and liquor stores.
1 posted on 02/01/2012 2:32:49 PM PST by usalady
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To: usalady

What? And lose a valuable client? They might just spend on necessities and next get on-the-books jobs and leave the dole, and then what will social workers do? Mean-spirited right wingers, destroying a valued institution, causing lay-offs, relocations..../sarc


2 posted on 02/01/2012 2:36:01 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (Diplomacy is war by other means.)
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To: usalady

Will they still accept Obama’s food stamps


3 posted on 02/01/2012 2:36:45 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is not just brewing, rebellion is here!!)
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To: usalady

Nancy Pelosi’s whole economic model is being taken away.


4 posted on 02/01/2012 2:38:54 PM PST by Track9
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To: usalady
So no more 'Jugs and Suds' for the poor?

That's racist!

5 posted on 02/01/2012 2:40:05 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: usalady
Can hardly wait to hear the Dems words/thoughts opposing this. Great campaign ammunition it will be against the Dems.
6 posted on 02/01/2012 2:41:36 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: usalady; P-Marlowe; wmfights; TitansAFC

They should also elimnate all restaurants, all snacks and candy and pastries, all luxury foodstuff (lobster, caviar, etc) and allow ONLY staple food items.

Make living on food stamps HARD and not easy. Basic instead of comfortable.

Provide incentive to make one’s own money.


7 posted on 02/01/2012 2:42:01 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: usalady

I’m sure the deadbeat thieves have already figured out how to scam this. They use the card to buy someones normal groceries and the buddy give them cash less $5.


8 posted on 02/01/2012 2:44:08 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Kartographer

strip clubs, casinos, and liquor stores?

Somebody, pleeeeeaaasssee get Rev. Al Sharpton on the line.


9 posted on 02/01/2012 2:46:08 PM PST by Mr. Wright (N\)
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To: xzins

USDA research done during the George W. Bush years showed that food stamp users allowed to get any grocery item included a smaller, not larger proportion of salted snack and soft drink products in their food orders. You are “fighting as though beating the air” as the bible puts it. Even bums on a budget are frugal, it turns out, and the overhead to do what you say you desire would be large.


10 posted on 02/01/2012 2:46:47 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: usalady
.... from being used in strip clubs, casinos, and liquor stores.

I'm very surprised that this wasn't already prohibited.

11 posted on 02/01/2012 2:47:54 PM PST by Mopp4
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To: usalady

Welfare recipients were allowed to spend our money in casinos and buy booze? Really?!!!
Funny about strip clubs. They watch someone make a living.

No wonder romney plans to ignore the poor! The poor appear to be doing very well.

“When I grow up,I want to be poor” The pursuit of poorness. That’s the new American dream.


12 posted on 02/01/2012 2:49:25 PM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: usalady
Money meant to help families on welfare provide the necessities of life are apparently being used inappropriately by some recipients.

Will some of that debt be offset if I click your examiner blog?

13 posted on 02/01/2012 2:55:08 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: Mopp4

I’m very surprised that you are surprised that this wasn’t already prohibited.


14 posted on 02/01/2012 2:55:28 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: usalady

Look past the headline into the principle and you’ll realize that someday you will not be able to buy or sell anything without somebody approving it.


15 posted on 02/01/2012 2:57:03 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (religion + guns = liberty.)
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To: xzins
Make living on food stamps HARD and not easy. Basic instead of comfortable.

Yep. Take the "Sheriff Joe" approach to welfare. Make it a LOT less appealing.

If that doesn't work,use this approach:
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150175816211314
16 posted on 02/01/2012 2:57:40 PM PST by gimme1ibertee ("Criticism......brings attention to an unhealthy state of things"-Winston Churchill)
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To: Mopp4
I'm very surprised that this wasn't already prohibited.

There was a story from early last year that EBT cards were being swiped on at least one cruise ship. I believe it was on the west coast.

17 posted on 02/01/2012 2:58:44 PM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: humblegunner

"No Blogs, just the facts Ma'am."
18 posted on 02/01/2012 2:59:21 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: usalady
ya think???
19 posted on 02/01/2012 3:02:52 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: usalady

This is indeed bad news.


20 posted on 02/01/2012 3:05:06 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: xzins

hi X - hope all is well -…..had a cashier at an inner city grocery where i stopped one day exclaiming to the other cashier that she bought crab legs with her EBT card……infuriating


21 posted on 02/01/2012 3:06:33 PM PST by Revelation 911 (How many 100's of 1000's of our servicemen died so we would never bow to a king?" -freeper pnh102)
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To: usalady

Why don’y they just kick anybody using the cards there off the rolls and be done with it? Otherwise it’s just a battle of wits as these deadbeats figure out a way to get around each new restriction.

Kicking and screaming, but I’d like to see the arguments the ACLU will use to defend this abuse - as they surely would.


22 posted on 02/01/2012 3:06:49 PM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Oh heavens yes. But the discount is larger. I believe in the hood food stamps typically trade for about 60 cents on the dollar.


23 posted on 02/01/2012 3:07:01 PM PST by nascarnation (DEFEAT BARAQ 2012 DEPORT BARAQ 2013)
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To: usalady
..families on welfare provide the necessities of life are apparently being used inappropriately by some recipients.

Apparently? What rock did these people crawl out from under? They're just now figuring out that people will take advantage of "free" stuff?

24 posted on 02/01/2012 3:07:13 PM PST by Hoffer Rand (There ARE two Americas: "God's children" and the tax payers)
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To: usalady

Dang it! I guess I’m gonna have to sell all my strip clubs, liquor stores and casinos! Thankfully I’ll still have my medical marijuana stores!


25 posted on 02/01/2012 3:07:13 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: usalady

So they don’t stick bills under the strippers thing string, they just axe the stripper to swipe their ...
hey look, a squirrel!


26 posted on 02/01/2012 3:07:30 PM PST by tumblindice ("ghetto masses" Cloward-Piven's own words)
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To: usalady

This won’t do a damn bit of good. Any time you hand out a pile of cash to a bunch of scamming deadbeats, they will find a way to use it for the wrong purposes. My brother likes to tell the story of how in the 80s when Reagan gave out surplus Army cheese to the poor, the bars in the bad part of the city started offering free grilled cheese sandwiches as an incentive to come in. People will take anything they are given and sell it for what they want.


27 posted on 02/01/2012 3:08:10 PM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: xzins

You are logical.

This is bribery for pulling a (D) lever in November.

The plan of the Alinsky/Trotsky/Lenin/Stalin/Che/Mao/Cloward & Piven and Obama is to force Communism via pushing people ONTO the Welfare rolls and then the only choice will be to allow Government to control 100% of the means of production.

When Government controls the bread and the lead, they win.

That’s why the Bolshevik Democrats are for all control to move to Government, so they can keep you hungry and defenseless.

Government hates the true independent, self-reliant, entreprenurial spirit (but it lives off it), it wants the DMV expanded 1,000,000 across every aspect of your life, including healthcare and schools, so the income crop of bureaucrats is dumbed down from Kindergarten through college to “beat the cowboy” out of you and make you submit to a gray, mediocre lifestyle.

“Fairness” distributed by Liberal elites and politicians who know better and do not have the same doctors, lawyers, food or carbon footprint than you do, you must abide, they do not have to.

My conclusion is that Communism is really just Capitalism to the ultimate extreme where products and services being freely bought and sold isn’t the model, it’s creating the ONLY OPTION via force; e.g. taxation, regualation, fees and permits that the true 1% of 1% enforce, the Nomanklatura (Obama, Reid, Soros, Buffett, Clinton, etc) enjoy.

A mini-fiefdom of Fascism, that eliminates all competiton by brute Government force (law) to squash the individual.


28 posted on 02/01/2012 3:10:51 PM PST by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: Mopp4

The ‘EBT’ card replace the paper food stamps.

Most welfare recipients used to receive a monthly check for non food items. This is now loaded onto the same card.

The cash portion of the card may be used for any transaction in virtually any cash register or any ATM anywhere in the states.

“Obama stash bin viry viry good do mi.”


29 posted on 02/01/2012 3:11:18 PM PST by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: usalady

It’s always much harder to fit those TANF cards under the stripper garter than it is a dollar bill.


30 posted on 02/01/2012 3:11:18 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Obama's War on Prosperity is killing me)
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To: usalady

Not an issue....go into any ghetto, and Food Stamps, EBT’s, etc. are exchanged for ALL the necessities: cash, crack, tatoos, liquor, pot, you name it. You can cash-out your handouts to nearly ANY grocer/convienience store/etc. in ANY major city, or barter them on the street in “da hood”.


31 posted on 02/01/2012 3:15:52 PM PST by traditional1 (Stay thirsty, my friends.)
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To: usalady

But political donations will still be allowed.


32 posted on 02/01/2012 3:16:10 PM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: Mopp4

Do not get me started on this one. Convenience store I work at (Branson, MO) just began accepting.

Evening prior to that acceptance, a slimy couple came in the door. Opening salvo of the _resident’s voter was used. “You DO take food stamps, right?” After indicating in the negative, female said “No biggie”.

Their purchase was two 20 ounce sodas (1.50 a piece), a bag of Cheetos (3.69) and a box of Condoms.

Before their is any lauding of her responsibility, I personally believe the responsibility was only for her fear of contagion.

Food Stamps are not for your CONVENIENCES. They are to give assistance to Basic needs.

Shame on those who use them wrongly; but, even more shame on the vendor accepting.


33 posted on 02/01/2012 3:22:05 PM PST by Dryman (Define Natural Born Citizen)
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To: Dryman

“Shame on those who use them wrongly; but, even more shame on the vendor accepting.”

As our economy grinds to a halt, I’m sure many vendors would be willing to accept baby seal pelts as payments. In some areas I’m sure those that didn’t accept food stamps are already out of business; when you read about the record number of Americans on food stamps, this is no longer the urban nightmare scenario, but more an indication of the plight of a large number of regular people.


34 posted on 02/01/2012 3:27:56 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: usalady

If I were on Welfare I would huffing mad.
In fact, I would protest by getting off the dole.
Whose with me? BOYCOTT! BOYCOTT! BOYCOTT!


35 posted on 02/01/2012 3:28:59 PM PST by Leep (It's gonna be a Newt day!)
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To: Kartographer
I’m very surprised that you are surprised that this wasn’t already prohibited.

For the most part they probably are at the state level. This bill stinks like an election year stunt.

36 posted on 02/01/2012 3:30:33 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Leep

If I were on Welfare I would [be] huffing mad.

In fact, I would protest by getting off the dole.

Whose with me? BOYCOTT! BOYCOTT! BOYCOTT!


37 posted on 02/01/2012 3:30:49 PM PST by Leep (It's gonna be a Newt day!)
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To: usalady

It’s incredible that this is even an issue that needs to be discussed at this point in time.
How were these ‘expenses’ even allowed in the 1st place?


38 posted on 02/01/2012 3:33:38 PM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Mopp4
I'm very surprised that this wasn't already prohibited.

This bill won't pass. I can see the casino lobbyists calling up the critters in Congress and making sure that the cards are still usable in casinos.
39 posted on 02/01/2012 3:36:55 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: usalady

Well dang, this should have been notice way before now. I’m not able to gamble at casinos so why should we pay to have others be able to do the same. I hope they are unable to use the cards for face lifts or tattoos either.


40 posted on 02/01/2012 3:44:03 PM PST by jrcats (Justice is blind & deaf in Florida.)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop
Funny about strip clubs. They watch someone make a living.

LOL, Yes - that is funny....Great Catch!
what a world - huh

41 posted on 02/01/2012 3:44:19 PM PST by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: kearnyirish2

Let me more specific so as not to offend, (insert eye roll) Convenience stores should not be places that accept food stamps.

I am certain that the Founding Fathers, and some of the idiots who believed they were helping when program was established, did not intend to be stroking checks to 7-11, JoeBlo’s Ez Stop, or the Drop-N.

Since we live in the twilight zone anyway, I guess it makes little difference.

Walmart is a liquor store here. So are they going to stop debt purchases there?

I am well aware that one rule leads to others, but... if the program is to remain, it should be for only specific items. (That also will bring out shiners and Exception Bullies)


42 posted on 02/01/2012 3:51:09 PM PST by Dryman (Define Natural Born Citizen)
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To: Sacajaweau

It used to be 2 for 1, I remember reading. $100 worth of groceries bought with food stamps nets the recipient $50 cash.

It’s bank-time for the crack dealers in the projects on the 1st!


43 posted on 02/01/2012 3:51:17 PM PST by babyfreep
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To: usalady

So, why were they on the list in the first place??? This is government waste at it’s worst!


44 posted on 02/01/2012 3:52:37 PM PST by LUV W (Unleash the American People!!)
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To: usalady

What do you mean I can use my bennies for smokes and gin & juice. I need that pack of kools and that bottle of Tanqueray, maybe some stimulation at the local titty bar. I guess that the titty bar type of therapy should be covered by medicare.


45 posted on 02/01/2012 4:10:24 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: Dryman

Hey it costs money when those dirty girls have to pee in a cup or have blood taken for STDS,I appreciate her attention to detail.


46 posted on 02/01/2012 4:18:19 PM PST by linn37 (Newt supporter here.)
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To: linn37

You are correct.

I am more concerned that along with munchies before an intimate encounter, any party has the thought “oh yeah, I have free money from the government.”


47 posted on 02/01/2012 4:56:53 PM PST by Dryman (Define Natural Born Citizen)
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To: Sacajaweau
Bingo, for years I bought the best cuts of beef for 50 cents on the dollar. Had a business next to the local HUD housing development.
48 posted on 02/01/2012 4:59:54 PM PST by org.whodat (Sorry bill, I should never have made all those jokes about you and Lewinsky, have fun.)
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To: Sacajaweau
Bingo, for years I bought the best cuts of beef for 50 cents on the dollar. Had a business next to the local HUD housing development.
49 posted on 02/01/2012 5:00:30 PM PST by org.whodat (Sorry bill, I should never have made all those jokes about you and Lewinsky, have fun.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I have to disagree, HTR. All of the items are electronically scanned in almost every location in the country. The card is also electronic. Any attempt at scanning an unacceptable item would automatically kick it out. Besides, it doesn’t seem to be hard for folks to reject a cigarette purchase made on the card, so I see no big deal even if it’s done by the cashier.

That process would not be hard or costly. And the study you cite simply says some are frugal. Those who aren’t are still a sizeable number, and if there’s any way to plant the idea that good things happen when people use their own money, then that is a neat lesson to teach.


50 posted on 02/02/2012 5:05:34 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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