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Is Rick Santorum the logical conservative alternative? (To Mitt Romney)
Hotair ^ | 02/01/2012 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 02/01/2012 3:16:59 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Last night, a number of people on Twitter pointed out that Mitt Romney didn’t get a majority of the Florida primary vote and claimed that combining the percentages of all other competitors showed that he could still be stopped. I pointed out earlier that this assumes everyone wouldn’t vote for Romney as a second choice, which polling shows to be false (he was second among second choices in Florida), but let’s put that aside for a moment. To whom should conservatives look as the consolidation candidate? After watching Newt Gingrich lose two debates and suffer a steep reversal of fortunes in Florida, some look to Rick Santorum, such as Andrew Malcolm, who wonders if Gingrich has worn out his welcome:

In an amazingly graceless non-concession concession speech after not phoning the victor out of common competitive courtesy, Gingrich chose to talk not about minor matters such as how he proposes to win the Nov. 6 national general election against $1 billion.

No. Instead, Gingrich described in great detail what all he is already planning to do and sign during his first day in the Oval Office, in between taking the presidential oath and numerous inaugural parties.

Seriously.

After a humiliating defeat, Gingrich spoke of a two-man race, assuming his own GOP nomination and general election victories. Big ideas? Try loony ideas. The guy is living in a parallel universe.

Now, Gingrich takes his campaign to Nevada, the state with the most foreclosures in the nation, where he has three days to explain what he did for that $1.6 million that mortgage giant Freddie Mac paid him.

Jeffrey Anderson at The Weekly Standard looks at the numbers ahead:

In Missouri, where the next Republican primary will take place (next Tuesday), a new poll by PPP shows Rick Santorum leading Mitt Romney by 11 percentage points — 45 to 34 percent — while Ron Paul has 13 percent support. Newt Gingrich isn’t on the ballot in Missouri, so the Show Me State offers a prime opening for Santorum to build on his earlier victory in neighboring Iowa.

Perhaps even more encouraging for Santorum are the candidates’ respective favorability ratings among prospective primary voters in the state. Santorum’s net favorability rating is +42 percent (63 percent favorable to 21 percent unfavorable), compared to +10 percent for Romney (46 percent favorable to 36 percent unfavorable). (Paul’s net favorability rating is minus-29 percent — 28 percent favorable to 57 percent unfavorable.)

Those aren’t the only numbers that suggest that Santorum could stand up better to Romney than Gingrich. PPP polling in key upcoming states show that Santorum challenges Romney more strongly in Ohio as well as Missouri:

Rick Santorum is leading the way for next week’s ‘beauty contest’ primary in Missouri with 45% to 34% for Romney, and 13% for Ron Paul. Newt Gingrich is not on the ballot for that, but he will be in the picture for Missouri’s caucus and leads the way for that with 30% to 28% for Santorum, 24% for Romney, and 11% for Paul.

In Ohio Gingrich is at 26% to 25% for Romney, 22% for Santorum, and 11% for Paul.

What might be most interesting in both states is what happens in a head to head between Romney and either Gingrich or Santorum:

-In Missouri Santorum leads Romney 50-37 and in Ohio Santorum leads 45-38.

-In Missouri Gingrich leads Romney 43-42 and in Ohio Gingrich leads 42-39.

Two takeaways from those numbers: if this ever came down to Romney, Paul, and just one out of Gingrich and Santorum, Romney would be in a lot of trouble. And he’d be in more trouble if the single conservative alternative ended up being Santorum.

It’s not just the numbers, either. The debates in Florida last week showed that Gingrich’s claim to mastery of the format simply don’t hold up. He lost both of those debates, and spent the rest of the week attacking Romney on religious freedom and proposing a lunar base that would cost hundreds of billions of dollars in an era where Republicans are arguing for reduced spending. If Gingrich was actually making the conservative case against Romney, I could see Sarah Palin’s point, but he’s not. He’s making a case for “big ideas” that involve a huge amount of spending, attacking Romney on any basis that happens to be handy, and he’s attacking the media.

The candidate actually making the conservative case on the campaign trail is Rick Santorum. Santorum scored points off of Romney in both Florida debates, especially the last one, because Santorum hasn’t ever backed an individual mandate as a health-care solution and doesn’t have to defend that position. He’s never backed TARP, either. That doesn’t make Santorum a perfect conservative candidate, but he seems to be the only one who’s focusing on the actual conservative agenda. Even if the motivation is to back a conservative alternative to Romney to “sharpen his steel” and force him to follow the conservative agenda, it’s Santorum who is most effective at making that the agenda.

Plus, there is one more thing to consider, and that is the quality of leadership. Both of the frontrunners and their allies have engaged in disappointing attacks on free market enterprise in an attempt to exploit each others’ weaknesses, but Santorum has refrained from doing so, even though he has specifically targeted blue-collar voters who might respond to those attacks. Santorum has maintained a high level of integrity in his campaigning, and that’s something to consider when choosing the man who will represent the party in the 2012 elections.

Santorum also has a new ad out today, “Deal,” which targets Gingrich. It’s running in Nevada and Colorado this week:

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To: SierraWasp

Wow! Aren’t we freepers imploding.. shape up people..


51 posted on 02/01/2012 4:01:51 PM PST by goseminoles
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To: reasonisfaith
Well, it's not fair to blame Santorum for the RINO establishment, but I am starting to think to avoid the disaster of Romney it might be good for Santorum to drop out and let the anti-Mitt vote go to Gingrich.

Ginrich aint no prize, but at least he is not Romney.

52 posted on 02/01/2012 4:02:09 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Ladysforest
"He was not with his daughter yesterday."

C'mon. If you knew her name, then you surely knew she recovered enough for him to leave her side.

I've got to go back to work now but I'll be back to check this thread later to review all the snide comments that will undoubtedly come my way... oh well.

53 posted on 02/01/2012 4:02:21 PM PST by SierraWasp (I'm done being disappointed by "He/She is the only one who can win" and being embarrassed later!!!)
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To: SierraWasp

“He’d probably be better than Paul or Greengrich IMHO... But I wish someone with enough resources and excitement would still step up to the plate!!!”

RONG! So incorrect I misspelled it.


54 posted on 02/01/2012 4:02:29 PM PST by paintriot (Newt 2012 & 2016 Thinking long term!)
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To: Utmost Certainty

Thanks for the Santorum links. I like him even more now.
Yes, Santorum supports Stem Cell research ie. Adult Stem Cell not embryonic research.


55 posted on 02/01/2012 4:02:44 PM PST by takbodan (.)
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To: Utmost Certainty

Unlike Newt, Rick didn’t make his campaign about bashing capitalism and pandering to Hispanics by talking about ‘inhumane’ immigration policy. He doesn’t have divorces and affairs to deal with and he didn’t work for Freddie Mac. So I can see why many conservatives would go for Rick over Newt.


56 posted on 02/01/2012 4:02:44 PM PST by ari-freedom
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To: Utmost Certainty

Too late. They use it. LOL


57 posted on 02/01/2012 4:02:44 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: Deagle

I’m for the guy mentioned in my tagline (Newt).

Is he a perfect conservative in every conceivable dimension of conservatism? Probably not. But I’m looking for someone with the right ideas, experience, and will power. And in terms of the philosophy and vision Newt has, he’s decisively on target regarding pertinent issues, in ways that matter to me most.


58 posted on 02/01/2012 4:04:05 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: SeekAndFind

Can Santorum carry Pennsylvania?

If memory serves, they already gave him the boot.


59 posted on 02/01/2012 4:04:28 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: SierraWasp

It breaks my heart to see what Rush has become. Since the 2008 primaries, when he talked up Romney and ignored Thompson, I’ve been in a sort of mourning period, not wanting to accept the truth.

But truth wins over loyalty in the end. I know what Rush is, there’s no doubt in my mind.


60 posted on 02/01/2012 4:04:57 PM PST by reasonisfaith (Or, more accurately---reason serves faith. See W.L. Craig, and many others.)
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To: SierraWasp
Go to your room and stand facing the corner as a "time out!" You need to review your intemperate behavior before you ultimately reach actual adulthood!!!

Hahaha. :)
61 posted on 02/01/2012 4:05:23 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: Right_in_Virginia

Can Newt carry Iowa?


62 posted on 02/01/2012 4:05:34 PM PST by ari-freedom
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To: SierraWasp
He’d probably be better than Paul or Greengrich IMHO... But I wish someone with enough resources and excitement would still step up to the plate!!! (and not Christie, either)

That's not going to happen. Santorum has no chance and nobody else will be steping up to the plate. The choice is Romney or Gingrich.

63 posted on 02/01/2012 4:05:41 PM PST by tsowellfan (If its between Obama and Romney, there isnt all that much difference - George Soros)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ed says what I’ve been arguing in comments for the past two days, regarding polling numbers and relative strengths. He probably said it better, or at least is a better vessel to possibly convey this message.


64 posted on 02/01/2012 4:05:51 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: reasonisfaith

They say it isn’t talking to yourself that is a sign of insanity, but when you start arguing with yourself.


65 posted on 02/01/2012 4:06:54 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: ari-freedom

Lol, nobody was bashing capitalism or pandering to Hispanics. But keep on drinking that stinky MSM koolaid.


66 posted on 02/01/2012 4:06:59 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: Sam Gamgee

Samwise, I do think we’re seeing the same thing here.


67 posted on 02/01/2012 4:07:48 PM PST by reasonisfaith (Or, more accurately---reason serves faith. See W.L. Craig, and many others.)
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To: Utmost Certainty

You are backing Newt Gingrich, so you should know all about putting a shine on that one.


68 posted on 02/01/2012 4:07:54 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Deagle; Utmost Certainty

Utmost Certainty called it! LOLOL!!


69 posted on 02/01/2012 4:08:50 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: Utmost Certainty
"If you're a conservative, there really is only one place to go right now. I would even argue farther than that. If you're a Republican, if you're a Republican in the broadest sense, there is only one place to go right now and that's Mitt Romney." –Rick Santorum, 02/1/2008

OUCH.

70 posted on 02/01/2012 4:09:06 PM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: ari-freedom

Yes.

But not to worry, Mitt’s the one you’ll be voting for.


71 posted on 02/01/2012 4:09:13 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: CharlesWayneCT

The establishment knows Gingrich is his own man. He has no more skeletons, and he knows what needs to be done to fix this country.

They see him as a loose cannon. Point is, they’ve assessed him, what he’s been saying and what he’s been doing, and they know he’ll go rogue when he gets to Washington.


72 posted on 02/01/2012 4:11:42 PM PST by reasonisfaith (Or, more accurately---reason serves faith. See W.L. Craig, and many others.)
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To: SierraWasp

Yes, of course I knew she had recovered -, at least was out of serious danger.

I actually did mention that, so what is your point?

It appears that you are trying to stir up anger. Ay least be honest in your replies to others.


73 posted on 02/01/2012 4:11:50 PM PST by Ladysforest
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To: SierraWasp

It breaks my heart to see what Rush has become. Since the 2008 primaries, when he talked up Romney and ignored Thompson, I’ve been in a sort of mourning period, not wanting to accept the truth.

But truth wins over loyalty in the end. I know what Rush is, there’s no doubt in my mind.


74 posted on 02/01/2012 4:12:33 PM PST by reasonisfaith (Or, more accurately---reason serves faith. See W.L. Craig, and many others.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Utmost Certainty called it! LOLOL!!

Haha, that sure didn't take long. :D
75 posted on 02/01/2012 4:12:55 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: DJ MacWoW; pgkdan; SECURE AMERICA; SierraWasp; CharlesWayneCT

“1998 ACU Ratings: Gingrich 100%, Paul 88%, Santorum 84% [last year all 3 were in Congress]”

Thanks for this.

Anyone still believe Rush, or Fox News, or Drudge?

Anyone still listening to them, watching them or going to their websites?


76 posted on 02/01/2012 4:17:59 PM PST by reasonisfaith (Or, more accurately---reason serves faith. See W.L. Craig, and many others.)
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To: Utmost Certainty

Lifetime ACU ratings are more revealing: Gingrich 1997 ACU was 75, btw.

Gingrich thru 1998: 90
Paul thru 2009: 82
Santorum Senate thru 2008: 88

Trivia for Reference:
Joe Scarborough ACU lifetime rating: 95


77 posted on 02/01/2012 4:18:19 PM PST by magritte (Nevermind)
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To: SierraWasp

Here you are SierraWasp, here was my first reply to you:

“Is Rick Santorum the logical conservative alternative? (To Mitt Romney)
Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:52:13 PM · 42 of 73
Ladysforest to SierraWasp

No - I am aware that he did that. Completely and perfectly the right and proper thing to do!

However, as soon as she (Bella) was out of the woods, he didn’t travel back to FL for the vote, instead he went to Nevada - Las Vegas, I believe.

He was not with his daughter yesterday.
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HERE IS YOUR RESPONSE:

“”He was not with his daughter yesterday.”

C’mon. If you knew her name, then you surely knew she recovered enough for him to leave her side.

I’ve got to go back to work now but I’ll be back to check this thread later to review all the snide comments that will undoubtedly come my way... oh well.”

We see that you tried to pretend that I did NOT mention Bella being out of immediate danger, tsk, tsk.

Why are you doing this? Why are you trying to make trouble out of nothing? Why?


78 posted on 02/01/2012 4:19:24 PM PST by Ladysforest
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To: Utmost Certainty

Well okay... I also am leaning for Gingrich among the remaining contestants...but does that mean that I think that he is the Conservative that he pretended to be in the 90’s?

No Way!

Will I probably vote for him, yes - simply because of the candidates left in the race. Do I enthusiastically endorse him, heck no. He has changed his philosophy several times over his tenure in office and especially during his time out of office. Seems that is a problem that money creates.

This should have no causation on your put down of other Republican candidates. Be Conservative but not argumentative.


79 posted on 02/01/2012 4:20:50 PM PST by Deagle
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To: SeekAndFind

ONE WORD: NO.


80 posted on 02/01/2012 4:22:00 PM PST by david1313 (Newt all the way)
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Santorum told supporters at a campaign stop that should Gingrich drop out of the race, Santorum would pick up his votes.

“If you look at the voters who voted for me, and where they would go if I was not in the race it would be divided between Romney and Gingrich, actually more toward Romney than Gingrich,” he said. “Interestingly enough, if Newt’s out of the race almost all of his votes come to me.”

Santorum, who trails behind Gingrich in national polls, has ramped up his rhetoric against his opponent in recent days. His campaign lumped Gingrich in a trio with President Barack Obama and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi in a new television ad released Tuesday.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/01/santorum-goes-after-gingrich-in-new-ad/


81 posted on 02/01/2012 4:25:59 PM PST by anglian
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To: reasonisfaith

You’re welcome.


82 posted on 02/01/2012 4:26:30 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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“If you look at the voters who voted for me, and where they would go if I was not in the race it would be divided between Romney and Gingrich, actually more toward Romney than Gingrich,” - Rick Santorum


83 posted on 02/01/2012 4:29:54 PM PST by anglian
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To: Utmost Certainty

Ai kai! ;-)


84 posted on 02/01/2012 4:44:18 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (I declare for Santorum)
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To: anglian

Let there be no doubt that Santorum is definitely in the tank for Romney.


85 posted on 02/01/2012 4:47:42 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: jwalsh07

Wow, what a jerk.

First, that is a melodramatic over description.

Second, Newt nor no one supporting him has painted the picture of a perfect conservative. Meanwhile, Santorum and his followers have painted that kind of BS picture of Santorum, whose voting record is less conservative than Newt’s (yes it is) and his conservative accomplishments are far far far far far far far less extensive than Newts.

Take your tantrum elsewhere.


86 posted on 02/01/2012 4:48:37 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: david1313; SeekAndFind

I see your word, and raise you a word:

YES YES!


87 posted on 02/01/2012 4:59:15 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (I declare for Santorum)
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To: Utmost Certainty; Finny; DJ MacWoW

Santorum is a Romney shill
Doo-da, Doo-da

Kill Newt’s chances, yes he will
Oh, de doo-da day

Goin’ to run all night
Goin’ to run all day
Attack ads runnin’ in a cut throat race
Did somebody say “pay-to-play?”


88 posted on 02/01/2012 5:00:24 PM PST by b9 (NEWT all the way)
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To: Utmost Certainty; b9; Windflier
My stars -- that Santorum pitch piece is meant to be in SUPPORT of Santorum!

Some of its greatest hits (and the bold is NOT mine): "Rick was successful in his efforts to prevent Congress from making cuts to the food stamp program!

Rick has been one of the Senate's most active leaders in fighting for funding to battle world AIDS and to help eliminate world poverty, working closely with Bono, the lead singer of U2!

Rick has voted for record levels of funding for Pennsylvania's public schools!

Rick has sponsored legislation called "Fair Care" which would help laid-off workers to continue to receive their healthcare benefits!

Rick teamed up with Senator Joe Lieberman to write the "Savings for Working Familieis Act" of 2005, which would expand a matching savings account program for low income families which can be used to help their children afford college!

Rick wrote legislation that would increase the national minimum wage!

Rick helped pass an increase in funding for early childhood development programs such as Headstart!

Doesn't it just make you feel all nice and fuzzy that Santorum thinks government's job is to do all those things with OUR money!!

IN FAIRNESS AND HONESTY, it also notes plenty of good things Santorum did, like helping promote Health Savings Accounts, lobbying reform, eliminating the marriage penalty tax, enforcing immigration law, reforming medical malpractice, and opposing the 2006 Cost of Living payraise in the Senate.

Nope, Gingrich isn't perfect. NEITHER IS SANTORUM. But Gingrich has shaped and changed history much for the better in the U.S. via fighting to implement Reagan conservatism in Congress. Santorum's legacy? Meh ...

MOST important, the guy hasn't been vetted. Santorum fans are taking it on pure faith that he "has no baggage." Gingrich is battle-scarred. Santorum is a puppy who has a penchant for Nanny Government.

89 posted on 02/01/2012 5:00:24 PM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: SeekAndFind
What in the world has happened to the American people? With the people in America today the forefathers would have stood alone and lost. Not even 6% of the delegates have been allotted and Gingrich takes second in Florida and they are ready to throw in the towel? People switch candidates on one comment made rather than a studied consideration of the candidate’s positions. I fear for this countries future.

Santorum is a nice guy and surely has some admirable qualities but in no way is this country going to elect him in the general. His position on pork spending is in no way conservative. His support of Specter showed a underbelly that is not something conservatives are going to forget. While we on the right agree with him on most of his social issues this country is not ready to turn that drastically to the right in one election. He has no chance.

90 posted on 02/01/2012 5:07:25 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: All; SeekAndFind
Gingrich takes his campaign to Nevada, the state with the most foreclosures in the nation, where he has three days to explain what he did for that $1.6 million that mortgage giant Freddie Mac paid him.

A LIE. The Gingrich Group was paid that over a 10 year period. Newt got considerably less... $25,000/yr according to his released contracts.

In Missouri, where the next Republican primary will take place (next Tuesday)...

Not so unlike 2011 straw polls, MEANINGLESS. Missouri delegates are actually decided in March by a caucus.

91 posted on 02/01/2012 5:07:58 PM PST by newzjunkey (More votes than Newt & Santorum combined? Where does anti-Romney rebound in Feb?)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
See you at the Inauguration! ;-)
92 posted on 02/01/2012 5:10:59 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (I declare for Santorum)
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To: newzjunkey

MO is not meaningless. If Santorum beats Romney, he will have conservatives ready to caucus for him in March, not Gingrich (who blew off Missouri).


93 posted on 02/01/2012 5:12:57 PM PST by magritte (Nevermind)
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To: pgkdan
So ... you perceive it as Newt "went ballistic." Whatever. What on EARTH makes you think Santorum, especially having seen him in debates and at the South Carolina forum, wouldn't completely implode when attacked with the same ferocity by Romney? You can have no idea because you've never seen Santorum have to face that kind of heat. Gingrich, on the other hand, is a veteran.

Listen, I understand why you like Rick, and I'd be happy to vote for him in the General. But so far, reasons cited here trying to cast him as better than Gingrich fall pretty flat. At best, he can be called "as good" as Gingrich.

And for every Christian who is stirred by his urging to "vote your values" (i.e., don't vote for Newt because of his marital problems, vote for me because my marriage, by all appearances, has been strong), another Christian wrinkle his nose in contempt at such self-righteous posturing. "Vote your values" -- who's kidding who. What "values"? Be explicit. TALK TURKEY OR DON'T TALK AT ALL.

As far as I'm concerned, Ginrich is the straight shooter of the two.

94 posted on 02/01/2012 5:20:39 PM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: b9

LOL!!!


95 posted on 02/01/2012 5:21:52 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: reasonisfaith

If only it were 1999, and we were working on the 2000 election.


96 posted on 02/01/2012 5:22:35 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Finny
Santorum is a puppy who has a penchant for Nanny Government.

Like his Rottweiler brother?

97 posted on 02/01/2012 5:23:38 PM PST by b9 (NEWT all the way)
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To: Lauren BaRecall

I will not be going to Mitt’s inauguration, but interesting that you plan to be there with the Santorums.


98 posted on 02/01/2012 5:26:31 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: b9
!!!LOLOLOL!!!

Excellent!!!!!

99 posted on 02/01/2012 5:30:37 PM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: CASchack
"When one isn’t attacked, he can appear to be above the fray."

Been around much the last 15 years? For well over a decade now, Santorum, and by extension his family, have been the subjects of some of the most vile, odious vitriol served up by the most vicious and most outspoken ranks of the pink swastika wearing, baby killing left.

Not many have noticed it precisely because Santorum has not waivered or bent in spite of their onslaught.

You can say all you like that Rick has not been subject to attacks. That doesn't make it so.

100 posted on 02/01/2012 5:32:15 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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