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‘No Fifth Amendment Theater’ in tomorrow’s Holder hearing(gunwalker) [LIVE THREAD]
Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 1 February, 2012 | David Codrea

Posted on 02/02/2012 6:06:17 AM PST by marktwain

“There will be no Fifth Amendment Theater tomorrow of the Phoenix US Attorneys being forced to say their ‘I-don't-wannas’ in front of the cameras,” Mike Vanderboegh of Sipsey Street Irregulars files in an exclusive report today from Washington, DC.

There will be only one panel of one -- Eric Holder. This is viewed by many who have been following the investigation as a serious mistake. Said one, "More simple browbeating of Eric Eric Holder without dramatic new evidence to impeach his story is going to look petty, mean and impotent.

Perhaps. After all, House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform Chairman Darrell Issa has pledged “We are still going to bring him forward” in response to Chief of the Criminal Division in the U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of Arizona Patrick Cunningham’s decision to invoke his right not to self-incriminate after being subpoenaed to testify. And Issa has further demanded Justice stop blocking testimony from Cunningham underling Michael Morrissey. Advertisement

Compound this with a return shot from Committee Democrats attempting to absolve their administration allies, an outraged response from Sen. Chuck Grassley of the Senate Judiciary Committee, and yesterday’s stunning, knives-are-out ultimatum by Issa to charge stonewalling Attorney General Eric Holder with contempt of Congress, and it would appear an opportunity to show the American people an ongoing cover-up happening before their eyes may be lost.

And perhaps not. Again, per Vanderboegh:

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; cunningham; dea; dhs; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; fflivehearing; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; michaelmorrissey; morrissey; obama; patrickcunningham
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To: freebird5850

“who is he trying to fool?” ........ Anybody and everybody. Strangely, many of us are not fooled.


151 posted on 02/02/2012 8:58:35 AM PST by shooter223 (the government should fear the citizens......not the other way around)
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To: struggle
Desjarlais: "WHY have we been here six times? Will someone please put up the the chart of Stonewall City, please." LOL


152 posted on 02/02/2012 8:59:06 AM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: freebird5850
I’ve lost faith in holder, who is he trying to fool?

Did you ever have any faith in him to start with? I should hope not.

Six trips to the committee, because he refuses to comply with legally issued and legally binding subpoenas. This man has absolutely no business holding his current job.

Contempt citation, followed by impeachment proceedings.

153 posted on 02/02/2012 9:01:11 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Why, yes. I AM in a bad mood.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Rep Issa: “I HOPE that you read the subpoenas that come to you with your name on it.”

slap, slap.

Love it!


154 posted on 02/02/2012 9:06:36 AM PST by RabidBartender (The above statement is not meant to be offensive to women. Please don't whine and have me banned.)
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To: marktwain

Can someone explain why Holder is allowed to decide what evidence is seen or not?

And is it me or is Holder full of crap????? Who is buying his schtick??

All I can say, is go get him Issa!!!!! He seems to be the ONLY one really ripping into Holder, whereas everyone else is just throwing softball questions or accusations out there.


155 posted on 02/02/2012 9:06:50 AM PST by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Did he just say we have EIGHT people in the DOJ in charge of Congressional requests and media requests?

Only 8? -— or did I mishear?

And why would media requests be lumped in with Congressional requests, as if they were the same priority?


156 posted on 02/02/2012 9:07:03 AM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

IIRC, Issa has said that if documents under subpoena are not produced, a contempt citation will be forthcoming.


157 posted on 02/02/2012 9:07:37 AM PST by shooter223 (the government should fear the citizens......not the other way around)
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Why is Owen Wilson asking Holder questions?

And why is he sitting in Rep Gowdy’s chair?


158 posted on 02/02/2012 9:08:10 AM PST by RabidBartender (The above statement is not meant to be offensive to women. Please don't whine and have me banned.)
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To: Roccus

Ok, I take back my last statement....Mr. Gowdy seems to be doing a great job of laying into Holder. But I am getting really annoyed that Holder keeps talking AROUND the issue and denying he knew anything.

He DID know...they HAVE the FACTS that he DID know. WTF more do they need to convict this LIAR!!??!


159 posted on 02/02/2012 9:10:03 AM PST by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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To: Lucky9teen

During the recess, Gowdy is going at it with one of Holder’s cronies.

And Issa is looking like Michael Scott from the Office at that table lol.


160 posted on 02/02/2012 9:12:23 AM PST by RabidBartender (The above statement is not meant to be offensive to women. Please don't whine and have me banned.)
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To: marktwain

tremors now ~ ~ ~

Holder: I’d like to see those memos

Gowdy: We got the memos from you

Issa calls recess to show him the memos.


161 posted on 02/02/2012 9:12:55 AM PST by cornelis
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To: RabidBartender

Gowdy hammering Holder. 5 min. break nobody to leave. Issa worried about all the Fast and Furious type of information being fed Holder from those behind him!


162 posted on 02/02/2012 9:13:28 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: RabidBartender

hilarious..so funny because i was watching & thinking, who does this guy remind me of!

Gowdy is also attorney..his line of questioning should be interesting


163 posted on 02/02/2012 9:15:44 AM PST by rainee
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To: Lucky9teen
Ok, I take back my last statement....Mr. Gowdy seems to be doing a great job of laying into Holder. But I am getting really annoyed that Holder keeps talking AROUND the issue and denying he knew anything.

Holder is like Houdini. He has been put in a straight jacket of facts over and over, but he just slips out by lying his ass off. Democrat scum.
164 posted on 02/02/2012 9:16:40 AM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 ! We should take off and Newt washington from orbit.)
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To: RabidBartender

LMAO


165 posted on 02/02/2012 9:17:15 AM PST by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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To: MestaMachine; maggief

THIS MAY BE IMPORTANT -— Note this part in the testimony when you get a chance to review!

Holder: Those were related to Wide Receiver.

Congressman Gowdy: No

Holder: I’d like to see a memo that says both Gunwalker and Fast & Furious
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I have been wondering if Holder & DOJ is not playing games with the words Gunwalker and Fast and Furious.

Issa called for a 5-min recess to get the docs/memos.

Hearing now resuming.


166 posted on 02/02/2012 9:17:32 AM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: thouworm

Who’s the faggot from VT? He, like ALL the Dem’s, now avoiding the issues, and again, using the Dem’s talking points, is talking about more Laws and Regulations, as opposed to addressing Holder’s responsibility for what goes on in his Depatment.


167 posted on 02/02/2012 9:20:36 AM PST by traditional1 (Stay thirsty, my friends.)
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To: ZX12R

Attention Mr. Welch.....the H is a consonant, it is NOT silent. You don’t hear people yelling elp me elp me....no.

Ugh....I hate that.


168 posted on 02/02/2012 9:22:13 AM PST by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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To: ZX12R

“Holder is like Houdini. He has been put in a straight jacket of facts over and over, but he just slips out by lying his ass off. Democrat scum.”

Yes, he is; yes he is.

Problem with the hearing procedure — 5 min Dem; 5 min Repub.

No time to pin Holder down and ask follow-up questions.


169 posted on 02/02/2012 9:23:22 AM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: thouworm

Just my observation: Why do I have the ability to identify a Dem. Congress person just by seeing them?


170 posted on 02/02/2012 9:23:22 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: thouworm

They had Holder here!! his cronies were jumping around in the backround..then Issa ended Gowdys time.


171 posted on 02/02/2012 9:23:45 AM PST by rainee
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To: traditional1

We need to get the CSI team of investigators on this STAT.

After all, they can figure it all out and solve the case in an hour, none of this 6 episode crap.


172 posted on 02/02/2012 9:26:11 AM PST by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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To: thouworm

“THIS MAY BE IMPORTANT -— Note this part in the testimony when you get a chance to review!

Holder: Those were related to Wide Receiver.

Congressman Gowdy: No

Holder: I’d like to see a memo that says both Gunwalker and Fast & Furious”

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Definitely tripped up Holder.


173 posted on 02/02/2012 9:28:22 AM PST by maggief
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To: rainee

“They had Holder here!! his cronies were jumping around in the backround..then Issa ended Gowdys time.”

I despise this 5 min Dem; 5 min Repub. No time to follow through with a line of examination of important points in order to pin Holder down. Holder parses every single word he can to squirm out of the question.

Holder just slipped through the Gunwalker/Fast and Furious question AGAIN. I have to listen to this again.


174 posted on 02/02/2012 9:30:28 AM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: maggief

Were...we WERE!!!

Reminds me of what is is.


175 posted on 02/02/2012 9:30:41 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: marktwain

Taking the 5th is exactly like saying “I did it, but you’ll never get to prove it”.

Off with his head!...and his boss’s! (figuratively, of course, in case they have spies!)


176 posted on 02/02/2012 9:34:18 AM PST by LUV W (Unleash the American People!!)
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To: marktwain

177 posted on 02/02/2012 9:37:33 AM PST by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

Yup! Holder parses every single word he can to squirm out of the question.


178 posted on 02/02/2012 9:37:54 AM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

I’m glad I’m doing other things and only listening to this atrocity. Watching Holder for any length of time, really makes my skin crawl.....that evil, lying, weasel...squirming his way around the issues.

Ugh....this is really a travesty, if he gets away with this crap. I mean, I knew our system was messed up, but this hits the target (no pun intended).


179 posted on 02/02/2012 9:38:16 AM PST by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

More parsing on “gun walking.”


180 posted on 02/02/2012 9:38:53 AM PST by maggief
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To: maggief

Cummings is a moron.


181 posted on 02/02/2012 9:41:07 AM PST by maggief
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To: LUV W

At last. I had to search for this thread. Not on top of the list at Breaking News. Trump though, he’s well up there.


182 posted on 02/02/2012 9:41:59 AM PST by Lady Lucky (I like to fire people. I don't care about the poor.)
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To: All

GOP report: Justice officials were on top of Fast and Furious
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2841510/posts

22-page memo by Issa released today (downloadable doc).

RE: Main Justice: Extensive Involvement in Operation Fast and Furious

http://www.foxnews.com/interactive/politics/2012/02/02/report-released-by-issa-and-grassley-on-fast-and-furious/


183 posted on 02/02/2012 9:43:11 AM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: thouworm

Did they find the memo????????? What happened?


184 posted on 02/02/2012 9:45:07 AM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Fresh Wind

lol! Good one! Atty Gen WITHOLDER

Now Holder is whining again. Important giveaway when he starts whining.


185 posted on 02/02/2012 9:46:21 AM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: Lady Lucky

What a cocky a-hole.....you asked a question on whether I should resign...you aren’t gonna let me respond to that?? Thank you....

Yes, RESIGN you ass. At the VERY least, he has PROVEN that he is incompetent....not reading memos, not being aware of VERY important things the AG SHOULD be aware of, not having documents when they’ve been subpoena’d (spelling?), etc etc. He is the epitome of incompetent. If you can’t FIRE his ass, make him resign and NOW!!!! Ugh.....


186 posted on 02/02/2012 9:46:55 AM PST by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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bookmark


187 posted on 02/02/2012 9:47:19 AM PST by Velveeta
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To: shooter223

As I see it, Holder has two answers to everything:
I can’t comment because we’re still investigating that
and
I can’t comment because somebody else is investigating that.


188 posted on 02/02/2012 9:48:35 AM PST by Lady Lucky (I like to fire people. I don't care about the poor.)
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To: Lady Lucky

I know, huh! Trump—the prostitute of politics? Yes, he’s all over the place! Unfortunately!


189 posted on 02/02/2012 9:50:34 AM PST by LUV W (Unleash the American People!!)
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To: maggief
Cummings is a moron.

Stupid, too.
But this Clay guy redefines stupid.

190 posted on 02/02/2012 9:50:34 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: maggief

I think the 5 min. question period allowed the Congressmen should be limited to questioning and not include the answers from a filibustering witness.


191 posted on 02/02/2012 9:51:00 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Lucky9teen

Jeez - this Rep. Clay is excruciating to listen to. All he is doing is condemning the committee.

Now invoking Iran Contra.


192 posted on 02/02/2012 9:51:33 AM PST by RabidBartender (The above statement is not meant to be offensive to women. Please don't whine and have me banned.)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
But this Clay guy redefines stupid.


193 posted on 02/02/2012 9:51:33 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: thouworm

Mr. Clay...more Democrat talking points and blame placed elsewhere, and completely ignoring facts and reality.

THAT is irresponsible, Mr. Clay. Dumbass....once again with the Bush’s blame game.


194 posted on 02/02/2012 9:52:20 AM PST by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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To: dead

Up! Clay blames Bush.

Drink!


195 posted on 02/02/2012 9:52:44 AM PST by RabidBartender (The above statement is not meant to be offensive to women. Please don't whine and have me banned.)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

Clay is reading his ‘Rat talking points ... I’m impressed he can read.

: o /


196 posted on 02/02/2012 9:53:50 AM PST by maggief
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

Clay had no question, just a DEM Talking point statement that he was obviously given to read!


197 posted on 02/02/2012 9:54:55 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: RabidBartender
Now invoking Iran Contra.

Don't you mean EYEran-Contra? :)

198 posted on 02/02/2012 9:56:22 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Red_Devil 232

I love how Issa flips around a two-minute presentation with just a sentence.

“Again, thank you for proving that no one has been held accountable.” LOL! I love it!


199 posted on 02/02/2012 9:56:38 AM PST by RabidBartender (The above statement is not meant to be offensive to women. Please don't whine and have me banned.)
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To: maggief

Looking at the names of those questioning Holder, I feel like I’m watching Reservoir Dogs...Mr. Black, Mr. Brown, Mr. White, Mr. Pink, etc.


200 posted on 02/02/2012 9:57:26 AM PST by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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