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Pelosi Vows to Stand W. Obama Against Catholic Church; Says Decision...Was 'Very Courageous'
CNS News ^ | 02/02/2012 | Thomas Cloud

Posted on 02/02/2012 1:28:21 PM PST by Pyro7480

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D.-Calif.) vowed today that she will join with the Obama administration in standing up against the Catholic Church in defending a new regulation that will require Catholic individuals to buy, and Catholic institutions to provide, health insurance plans that cover sterilizations and artificial contraceptives, including those that induce abortions....

At her Wednesday press briefing, CNSNews.com asked Pelosi: "The administration has issued a regulation that will require all health-care plans to cover sterilization and all FDA-approved contraceptives, including those that induce abortions. This would force Catholic individuals and institutions to act against their consciences. All across the nation, Catholic bishops are saying-"

Pelosi responded: "Is this a speech, or do we have a question in disguise as a speech?"

CNSNews.com continued..."Catholic bishops are saying they will not comply with this law. Will you stand with your fellow Catholics in resisting this law or will you stick by the administration?"

Pelosi: "First of all, I am going to stick with my fellow Catholics in supporting the administration on this. I think it was a very courageous decision that they made, and I support it."

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KEYWORDS: babykiller; bishops; blood; bloodoftyrants; bloodonherhands; bloodonherhead; catholic; corruption; democrats; fraud; govtabuse; hhs; liberalfascism; obama; pelosi; tyranny
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To: dragonblustar
Why hasn’t she been kicked out?

for the same the Kennedys etal weren't

No stones in the Catholic hierarchy or they really don't believe their own dogma
51 posted on 02/02/2012 2:06:08 PM PST by uncbob
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To: Pyro7480

She’s aimed at hijacking her church in cahoots with her fellow occasional pew warmers. The people who go there every week won’t get a voice. But she’s trying to do it in situ this time, rather than creating a new denomination of protesters. And no protest of yestercentury was ever with an agenda having this much pure hate in it.

And the cheekiest thing is that Obama and company had seriously promised to itchy-eared bishops that they would never do such a thing to the church. But here they are, and they’ve done it, and their promises are as good as yesterday’s chewing gum wad.


52 posted on 02/02/2012 2:09:17 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Pyro7480

It is high time for every Christian bishop, Latin, Orthodox or otherwise (in confessions that still actually uphold the morality of the Scriptures and the Didache) to formally and publicly excommunicate all politicians who support abortion and claim to be members of their flocks.

And, more than that, the relevant church should sue any excommunicate politician who still claims to be a member (not seeking damages, just a restraining order to force them to stop false advertising).


53 posted on 02/02/2012 2:10:14 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Pyro7480

Amazing, when you think about it: the Soviets learned how many divisions the Pope has but the Democrats still don’t know.


54 posted on 02/02/2012 2:10:14 PM PST by Grut
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To: mardi59
For those who wonder what IDOLOTRY really is, or what it means, this is your chance ~ Pelosi is, in fact, engaged in it.

It's not just the worship of idols. It's the substitution made where you put yourself in God's place.

One better known form of it, but less understood, is the "What Would Jesus Do" phenomenon. Jesus as Lord, told you the standards that you are supposed to use. Where He has spoken, substituting your judgment for His is, in fact, idolotry.

55 posted on 02/02/2012 2:10:14 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Pelosi is suffering from total detachment from reality. Best the Catholics cut their relationship with her.

You have to remember that in their own minds these arrogant egotistical politicians think they do no wrong
She still is a Catholic in her own delusional mind
56 posted on 02/02/2012 2:10:24 PM PST by uncbob
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Maybe the Pope should issue a order that any Catholic who voted for the passage of ObamaCare be excommunicated Immediately. And a list with their names be sent to all Catholic Churches and posted for all to see. An,can once again be reinstated into the Catholic church when they strike down ObamaCare and buried it for good! IF no action then they are banned from entering the church doors forever. Separation of state and government.
57 posted on 02/02/2012 2:11:20 PM PST by Don_Ret_USAF ( "Smile Before Bed, You'll Sleep Better.")
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To: The_Reader_David
Don't let them in the door. You do not have to let just anybody in the door. If they come with armed guards, be prepared to respond appropriately.

Really, this is the only way to deal with these people.

58 posted on 02/02/2012 2:12:16 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I recall when she met with the Pope and he wouldn’t have his picture taken with her.He gave her a pastoral talking to about this issue.I recall that O met with this Pope and promised to do everything to make abortion rare.I guess having the govt pay for it and having every employer,including Catholic ones, pay for it, will do the trick.

Storm clouds on the horizon.


59 posted on 02/02/2012 2:13:45 PM PST by georgia peach (georgia peach)
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To: SparkyBass
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60 posted on 02/02/2012 2:14:25 PM PST by b4its2late (Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the former.)
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To: Brown Deer; Pyro7480

Kathleen Sebelius is a Catholic ~ until you guys kick her out.


61 posted on 02/02/2012 2:16:10 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

To ask what Jesus would do (and then woodenly carry it out) certainly seems to miss the fact that Jesus was special with a special mission. Yet, to call God an idol is a paradox at best, great blasphemy at worst.


62 posted on 02/02/2012 2:16:17 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: crosshairs
The Knights of Columbus are like the Klan?

Really?

63 posted on 02/02/2012 2:17:43 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass
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To: HiTech RedNeck

No one is calling God an idol. The reference is to the “self”. When you put yourself in God’s great seat of judgment, and start imagining “What Would God Do”, that is idolotry.


64 posted on 02/02/2012 2:18:37 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: uncbob

She probably thinks it would rightly be something like the Untied (sic) Methodist Church. No aspersion meant to the few Methodist churches that have still retained their scriptural and godly fire — I’ve seen them in Mississippi, for example.


65 posted on 02/02/2012 2:20:53 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Pyro7480
Nancy will no doubt be summoned to the Vatican to confer with Pope Benedict XVI since she is such an accomplished theologian on all things Catholic.
66 posted on 02/02/2012 2:20:53 PM PST by JPG (Matters at which the foolish laugh and at whose consequences the prudent weep.)
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To: muawiyah

I believe such a grave charge requires some supporting documentation. Answering the question out of the bible is not an example of any kind of idolatry, even if the answer is of limited direct use. (Jesus never married, as an obvious example.)


67 posted on 02/02/2012 2:23:21 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: PDGearhead
At what point will she be excommunicated! The Church needs to make a stand, and now!

I guess y'all missed the memo. This whole nation, from top to bottom - inside & outside is CORRUPT. Until that changes there will be no recovery & I sure don't see it ever better in my lifetime or that of my children.

68 posted on 02/02/2012 2:24:01 PM PST by Digger (If RINO is your selection then failure is your election)
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To: Pyro7480

She will be excommunicated when? NEVER! Even the Catholic Church has no principles.


69 posted on 02/02/2012 2:24:09 PM PST by Terry Mross ( We need a SECOND party.)
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To: DarthVader
No Nancy it was foolhardy and one day God’s mercy towards you is going to cease and then you will pay for your blasphemies and iniquites.

Think of 50 million aborted babies "greeting" her when she dies...

70 posted on 02/02/2012 2:26:42 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Answering any question out of the Bible is not a problem unless you are engaged in divination ~ and then, from time to time, they get really tough on the practitioners and burn them of course.

It's where you imagine yourself to be God. This is a common problem!

71 posted on 02/02/2012 2:26:57 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: PDGearhead

She should be excommunicated. I don’t think the church would do it. If they had the strength to do so, it would be a powerful message to the cafeteria types.


72 posted on 02/02/2012 2:27:25 PM PST by Buddy Sorrell (It's Algebra, Uncle Fletcher.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass; crosshairs

No, of course the Knights of Columbus, a Mason-esque style orthodox Roman Catholic men’s club, isn’t anything like the Ku Klux Klan. Perhaps the titling conventions are unhelpful, but nothing is supposedly taking place that isn’t under the main church’s authority.


73 posted on 02/02/2012 2:27:25 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: mardi59

Her false god is obviously Obama ,her messiah.

The Church should make a public announcement of her impeachment and ask—no demand— that she never darken it’s doors again.


74 posted on 02/02/2012 2:27:53 PM PST by Venturer
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To: muawiyah

Documentation of your “common problem” is essential to it not being a strawman.


75 posted on 02/02/2012 2:28:30 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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76 posted on 02/02/2012 2:29:11 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: Bryanw92

Amen.


77 posted on 02/02/2012 2:30:24 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Venturer

The Church should make a public announcement of her impeachment and ask—no demand— that she never darken it’s doors again./

I agree. Its past time for the church to start doing its job...THE WILL OF THE LORD. Anyone who defies God should be ex-communicated immediately. The church should wake-up. The Lord is watching and some bishops are going to pay a heavy price.


78 posted on 02/02/2012 2:31:47 PM PST by mardi59
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Joe Stalin, Hitler, Obama, Rev. Wright, Pelosi, .......... There are plenty of people around who have imagined themselves to be God and then sought to impose their own "godlike" vision on others.

I don't think something of this nature requires much more documentation than to point to those who do it.

I think what you want to do is get me to say something about writing up a lesson plan for Sunday School ~ which, to do, you necessarily go to the Scriptures for guidance in the matter. You wouldn't then put words in Jesus' mouth that he didn't say.

Everybody always goes to the Scriptures. Then there are those who just make it up. There's a difference even if you can't discern it.

79 posted on 02/02/2012 2:32:47 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Pyro7480
Okay, explain Peloski why you and Reid and obamma gave the moslems an exemption to the healthcare bill, to where there is no requirement for them to purchase this monstrosity?

Were you being courageous then? Or do you have a religious bias?

80 posted on 02/02/2012 2:37:30 PM PST by rawhide
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To: Prokopton

Read Bill Weise’s “23-minutes in Hell” and what will be greeting her is too horrible to contemplate.


81 posted on 02/02/2012 2:37:30 PM PST by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: mardi59

I wrote Impeachment and meant excommunication, but impeachment sounds good too.

She stand with her “fellow catholics” Who would that be. Those other politicians who claim to be Catholic and approve of abortion?

She is certainly no fellow Catholic to me. I wouldn’t spit on her if she were on fire.


82 posted on 02/02/2012 2:39:31 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Pyro7480
Just another pro-abort Catholic. Heck, I've even got one in my parish...Claire McCaskill (D-MO).

Our parish priest didn't even read the letter last weekend. I'm sure so the dear Senator would not be offended and withhold her tithing.

83 posted on 02/02/2012 2:40:56 PM PST by demsux (Obama: THE job destroyer)
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To: Pyro7480

After her announcement she said, “Now you’ll have to excuse me, I’m on my way to receive Communion.”


84 posted on 02/02/2012 2:41:40 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati)
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To: crosshairs

“Supreme Grand Knight Carl Anderson

Sounds a little KKK’ish to me.”

Make it stop!
The Knights of Columbus are an old, excellent group of men who were formed many years ago by a priest who wanted to create a place for men to go who were not paying attention to their duties as spiritual guides of their communities and families. They do so much good for communities and for the men who belong.

The Church and all of its sanctioned groups are as far from bigotry as any human organization. The KKK persecuted the Catholic Church as far as their power could do so so please don’t further their cause.

Stop!


85 posted on 02/02/2012 2:45:01 PM PST by stanne
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To: Pyro7480

Here is where the “rubber hits the road.” Will her Priest or Bishop allow her to receive Communion? Will they admonish her in a public way as she has done by denouncing and blatantly stood against God and his Church?


86 posted on 02/02/2012 2:50:21 PM PST by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God! ROLL TIDE!!)
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To: muawiyah
you guys?
87 posted on 02/02/2012 2:51:35 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Pyro7480

This is one fight they’re going to lose. The 60’s feminists who pride themselves on killing the unborn are a dying breed. There were thousands of young women and girls participating in the recent March for Life.


88 posted on 02/02/2012 2:58:36 PM PST by jersey117 (Perry 2012)
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To: crosshairs

If you dust off and think for a millisecond, you will realize that knighthood is chivalrous and that the term originated at the lates in the Middle Ages and that knighthood is a symbol of virtue.

Any group using this term for anything other than as a symbol of virtue and it is they who sound a little chivalrous. If they are not so, then they are mocking virtue by using the term, or usurping it.

What a marroon!


89 posted on 02/02/2012 2:59:42 PM PST by stanne
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To: bigbob

After she’s out, the only thing she’ll ever be Speaker of is Speaker of the Stupids!


90 posted on 02/02/2012 3:02:01 PM PST by stanne
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To: Pyro7480

THIS is why have no respect for the Catholic Church. As of RIGHT NOW, the Catholic Church should be ex-communicating this witch. They won’t and will continue to wonder why no one believes their convictions.


91 posted on 02/02/2012 3:02:10 PM PST by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: Pyro7480

Isn’t there a rotting pine cone or 3 that could be stuck in fitting places on her personage?


92 posted on 02/02/2012 3:07:34 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: DarthVader

Absolutely indeed.


93 posted on 02/02/2012 3:08:23 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Pyro7480

Part of me wants to say it’s unbelievable of me, but that would be a mere figure of speech. It is, as we all know, only too believable. I can picture Pelosi working in an abortion clinic if it would keep her in power. Like the Kennedys and other nominal Catholics, she takes secularism so seriously and the edicts of the Democrat Party that she won’t impose her religion even on herself.


94 posted on 02/02/2012 3:09:09 PM PST by elhombrelibre ("I'd rather be ruled by the Tea Party than the Democratic Party." Norman Podhoretz)
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To: Pyro7480

I wouldn’t be surprised to find they tried a excorcist several time but to know avail.


95 posted on 02/02/2012 3:12:47 PM PST by Leep (It's gonna be a Newt day!)
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To: muawiyah

Here in CT, many Catholics agree with friend-of-Tiller Sebelius and Pelosi.

As a Catholic who grew up as an [unmolested] altar boy and who attended parochial school through high school, I have seen the distortion and decline within the Church over the last four decades.

I can no longer attend, as it has swung so hard to left. The Church has chosen to ignore it’s own doctrines by not enforcing it’s beliefs.

It’s anything goes in the Catholic Church.

The majority of Catholics I speak to are simply Catholics out of habit. They conveniently refuse to acknowledge the obvious contradictions between their purported faith and their liberal politics.

I spoke to a number of Catholics about Obama speaking at Notre Dame. Not one had a problem with it. Some shrugged their shoulders as if to say, “Oh well, what are you going to do?”

I spoke to the Deacon [an Obstetrician!] at our local church and he thought it was GREAT that Notre Dame was reaching out to the Abortionist in Chief.

Around here, when it comes to the Catholic Church, forget about it. I doubt Sebelius or Pelosi will be kicked out... if it hasn’t happened yet, it ain’t gonna happen.


96 posted on 02/02/2012 3:16:38 PM PST by Third Person
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To: Pyro7480
She is just plain evil.

No! She's a devout Catholic. She said so herself. (spit)

97 posted on 02/02/2012 3:19:05 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: PDGearhead; dragonblustar; Georgia Girl 2

Canon Law and Church Teaching

Canon 1398: “A person who procures a completed abortion incurs a latae sententiae excommunication.”

Canon 751: “Heresy is the obstinate denial or obstinate doubt after the reception of baptism of some truth which is to be believed by divine and Catholic faith; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him.”

Canon 1364 §1: “an apostate from the faith, a heretic, or a schismatic incurs a latae sententiae excommunication.”

The phrase “latae sententiae” means a judgment or sentence which is ‘wide’ (latae) or widely applied; it refers to a type of excommunication which is automatic. Such a sentence of excommunication is incurred “by the very commission of the offense,” (CCC 2272) and does not require the future particular judgment of a case by competent authority.

Apostasy, heresy, and schism are all offences which incur a sentence of excommunication automatically. Heresy is the obstinate denial of any truth of the Catholic faith, on a matter of faith or morals, which has been definitively taught by the Magisterium. The Magisterium has repeatedly and definitively taught that abortion is always gravely immoral. (CCC 2270 to 2275)


98 posted on 02/02/2012 3:20:42 PM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: RitaOK
Pelosi is not Catholic now, and excommunicated herself long ago, but the Church declines to proclaim the fact. What IS that all about?

Courage, or the lack of it, on the part of the bishops.

"All that is needed for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing."

And some have put "social justice" ahead of their religion.

99 posted on 02/02/2012 3:22:32 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: Pyro7480

The Bishop should ex-communicate her.


100 posted on 02/02/2012 3:26:10 PM PST by Roklok
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