Skip to comments.Pelosi Vows to Stand W. Obama Against Catholic Church; Says Decision...Was 'Very Courageous'
Posted on 02/02/2012 1:28:21 PM PST by Pyro7480
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D.-Calif.) vowed today that she will join with the Obama administration in standing up against the Catholic Church in defending a new regulation that will require Catholic individuals to buy, and Catholic institutions to provide, health insurance plans that cover sterilizations and artificial contraceptives, including those that induce abortions....
At her Wednesday press briefing, CNSNews.com asked Pelosi: "The administration has issued a regulation that will require all health-care plans to cover sterilization and all FDA-approved contraceptives, including those that induce abortions. This would force Catholic individuals and institutions to act against their consciences. All across the nation, Catholic bishops are saying-"
Pelosi responded: "Is this a speech, or do we have a question in disguise as a speech?"
CNSNews.com continued..."Catholic bishops are saying they will not comply with this law. Will you stand with your fellow Catholics in resisting this law or will you stick by the administration?"
Pelosi: "First of all, I am going to stick with my fellow Catholics in supporting the administration on this. I think it was a very courageous decision that they made, and I support it."
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She’s aimed at hijacking her church in cahoots with her fellow occasional pew warmers. The people who go there every week won’t get a voice. But she’s trying to do it in situ this time, rather than creating a new denomination of protesters. And no protest of yestercentury was ever with an agenda having this much pure hate in it.
And the cheekiest thing is that Obama and company had seriously promised to itchy-eared bishops that they would never do such a thing to the church. But here they are, and they’ve done it, and their promises are as good as yesterday’s chewing gum wad.
It is high time for every Christian bishop, Latin, Orthodox or otherwise (in confessions that still actually uphold the morality of the Scriptures and the Didache) to formally and publicly excommunicate all politicians who support abortion and claim to be members of their flocks.
And, more than that, the relevant church should sue any excommunicate politician who still claims to be a member (not seeking damages, just a restraining order to force them to stop false advertising).
Amazing, when you think about it: the Soviets learned how many divisions the Pope has but the Democrats still don’t know.
It's not just the worship of idols. It's the substitution made where you put yourself in God's place.
One better known form of it, but less understood, is the "What Would Jesus Do" phenomenon. Jesus as Lord, told you the standards that you are supposed to use. Where He has spoken, substituting your judgment for His is, in fact, idolotry.
Really, this is the only way to deal with these people.
I recall when she met with the Pope and he wouldn’t have his picture taken with her.He gave her a pastoral talking to about this issue.I recall that O met with this Pope and promised to do everything to make abortion rare.I guess having the govt pay for it and having every employer,including Catholic ones, pay for it, will do the trick.
Storm clouds on the horizon.
Kathleen Sebelius is a Catholic ~ until you guys kick her out.
To ask what Jesus would do (and then woodenly carry it out) certainly seems to miss the fact that Jesus was special with a special mission. Yet, to call God an idol is a paradox at best, great blasphemy at worst.
No one is calling God an idol. The reference is to the “self”. When you put yourself in God’s great seat of judgment, and start imagining “What Would God Do”, that is idolotry.
She probably thinks it would rightly be something like the Untied (sic) Methodist Church. No aspersion meant to the few Methodist churches that have still retained their scriptural and godly fire — I’ve seen them in Mississippi, for example.
I believe such a grave charge requires some supporting documentation. Answering the question out of the bible is not an example of any kind of idolatry, even if the answer is of limited direct use. (Jesus never married, as an obvious example.)
I guess y'all missed the memo. This whole nation, from top to bottom - inside & outside is CORRUPT. Until that changes there will be no recovery & I sure don't see it ever better in my lifetime or that of my children.
She will be excommunicated when? NEVER! Even the Catholic Church has no principles.
Think of 50 million aborted babies "greeting" her when she dies...
It's where you imagine yourself to be God. This is a common problem!
She should be excommunicated. I don’t think the church would do it. If they had the strength to do so, it would be a powerful message to the cafeteria types.
No, of course the Knights of Columbus, a Mason-esque style orthodox Roman Catholic men’s club, isn’t anything like the Ku Klux Klan. Perhaps the titling conventions are unhelpful, but nothing is supposedly taking place that isn’t under the main church’s authority.
Her false god is obviously Obama ,her messiah.
The Church should make a public announcement of her impeachment and ask—no demand— that she never darken it’s doors again.
Documentation of your “common problem” is essential to it not being a strawman.
The Church should make a public announcement of her impeachment and askno demand that she never darken its doors again./
I agree. Its past time for the church to start doing its job...THE WILL OF THE LORD. Anyone who defies God should be ex-communicated immediately. The church should wake-up. The Lord is watching and some bishops are going to pay a heavy price.
I don't think something of this nature requires much more documentation than to point to those who do it.
I think what you want to do is get me to say something about writing up a lesson plan for Sunday School ~ which, to do, you necessarily go to the Scriptures for guidance in the matter. You wouldn't then put words in Jesus' mouth that he didn't say.
Everybody always goes to the Scriptures. Then there are those who just make it up. There's a difference even if you can't discern it.
Were you being courageous then? Or do you have a religious bias?
Read Bill Weise’s “23-minutes in Hell” and what will be greeting her is too horrible to contemplate.
I wrote Impeachment and meant excommunication, but impeachment sounds good too.
She stand with her “fellow catholics” Who would that be. Those other politicians who claim to be Catholic and approve of abortion?
She is certainly no fellow Catholic to me. I wouldn’t spit on her if she were on fire.
Our parish priest didn't even read the letter last weekend. I'm sure so the dear Senator would not be offended and withhold her tithing.
After her announcement she said, “Now you’ll have to excuse me, I’m on my way to receive Communion.”
“Supreme Grand Knight Carl Anderson
Sounds a little KKK’ish to me.”
Make it stop!
The Knights of Columbus are an old, excellent group of men who were formed many years ago by a priest who wanted to create a place for men to go who were not paying attention to their duties as spiritual guides of their communities and families. They do so much good for communities and for the men who belong.
The Church and all of its sanctioned groups are as far from bigotry as any human organization. The KKK persecuted the Catholic Church as far as their power could do so so please don’t further their cause.
Here is where the “rubber hits the road.” Will her Priest or Bishop allow her to receive Communion? Will they admonish her in a public way as she has done by denouncing and blatantly stood against God and his Church?
This is one fight they’re going to lose. The 60’s feminists who pride themselves on killing the unborn are a dying breed. There were thousands of young women and girls participating in the recent March for Life.
If you dust off and think for a millisecond, you will realize that knighthood is chivalrous and that the term originated at the lates in the Middle Ages and that knighthood is a symbol of virtue.
Any group using this term for anything other than as a symbol of virtue and it is they who sound a little chivalrous. If they are not so, then they are mocking virtue by using the term, or usurping it.
What a marroon!
After she’s out, the only thing she’ll ever be Speaker of is Speaker of the Stupids!
THIS is why have no respect for the Catholic Church. As of RIGHT NOW, the Catholic Church should be ex-communicating this witch. They won’t and will continue to wonder why no one believes their convictions.
Isn’t there a rotting pine cone or 3 that could be stuck in fitting places on her personage?
Part of me wants to say it’s unbelievable of me, but that would be a mere figure of speech. It is, as we all know, only too believable. I can picture Pelosi working in an abortion clinic if it would keep her in power. Like the Kennedys and other nominal Catholics, she takes secularism so seriously and the edicts of the Democrat Party that she won’t impose her religion even on herself.
I wouldn’t be surprised to find they tried a excorcist several time but to know avail.
Here in CT, many Catholics agree with friend-of-Tiller Sebelius and Pelosi.
As a Catholic who grew up as an [unmolested] altar boy and who attended parochial school through high school, I have seen the distortion and decline within the Church over the last four decades.
I can no longer attend, as it has swung so hard to left. The Church has chosen to ignore it’s own doctrines by not enforcing it’s beliefs.
It’s anything goes in the Catholic Church.
The majority of Catholics I speak to are simply Catholics out of habit. They conveniently refuse to acknowledge the obvious contradictions between their purported faith and their liberal politics.
I spoke to a number of Catholics about Obama speaking at Notre Dame. Not one had a problem with it. Some shrugged their shoulders as if to say, “Oh well, what are you going to do?”
I spoke to the Deacon [an Obstetrician!] at our local church and he thought it was GREAT that Notre Dame was reaching out to the Abortionist in Chief.
Around here, when it comes to the Catholic Church, forget about it. I doubt Sebelius or Pelosi will be kicked out... if it hasn’t happened yet, it ain’t gonna happen.
No! She's a devout Catholic. She said so herself. (spit)
Canon Law and Church Teaching
Canon 1398: A person who procures a completed abortion incurs a latae sententiae excommunication.
Canon 751: Heresy is the obstinate denial or obstinate doubt after the reception of baptism of some truth which is to be believed by divine and Catholic faith; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him.
Canon 1364 §1: an apostate from the faith, a heretic, or a schismatic incurs a latae sententiae excommunication.
The phrase latae sententiae means a judgment or sentence which is wide (latae) or widely applied; it refers to a type of excommunication which is automatic. Such a sentence of excommunication is incurred by the very commission of the offense, (CCC 2272) and does not require the future particular judgment of a case by competent authority.
Apostasy, heresy, and schism are all offences which incur a sentence of excommunication automatically. Heresy is the obstinate denial of any truth of the Catholic faith, on a matter of faith or morals, which has been definitively taught by the Magisterium. The Magisterium has repeatedly and definitively taught that abortion is always gravely immoral. (CCC 2270 to 2275)
Courage, or the lack of it, on the part of the bishops.
"All that is needed for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing."
And some have put "social justice" ahead of their religion.
The Bishop should ex-communicate her.