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Tough Targets: When Criminals Face Armed Resistance from Citizens (New Cato study, FReeper author)
The Cato Institute ^ | February 2, 2012 | Clayton E. Cramer and David Burnett

Posted on 02/02/2012 5:56:56 PM PST by FreedomPoster

The ostensible purpose of gun control legislation is to reduce firearm deaths and injuries. The restriction of access to firearms will make criminals unable to use guns to shoot people. Gun control laws will also reduce the number of accidental shootings. Those are the desired effects, at least in theory. It is important, however, for conscientious policymakers to consider not only the stated goals of gun control regulations, but the actual results that they produce.

What would be the effect of depriving ordinary, law-abiding citizens from keeping arms for self-defense? One result seems certain: the law-abiding would be at a distinct disadvantage should criminals acquire guns from underground markets. After all, it is simply not possible for police officers to get to every scene where they are urgently needed.

Outside of criminology circles, relatively few people can reasonably estimate how often people use guns to fend off criminal attacks. If policymakers are truly interested in harm reduction, they should pause to consider how many crimes — murders, rapes, assaults, robberies — are thwarted each year by ordinary persons with guns. The estimates of defensive gun use range between the tens of thousands to as high as two million each year.

This paper uses a collection of news reports of self-defense with guns over an eight-year period to survey the circumstances and outcomes of defensive gun uses in America.

Federal and state lawmakers often oppose repealing or amending laws governing the ownership or carrying of guns. That opposition is typically based on assumptions that the average citizen is incapable of successfully employing a gun in self-defense or that possession of a gun in public will tempt people to violence in "road rage" or other contentious situations. Those assumptions are false. The vast majority of gun owners are ethical and competent. That means tens of thousands of crimes are prevented each year by ordinary citizens with guns.


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The above is the abstract for the full paper. The full paper is a 58 page 6 MB *.pdf which can be downloaded at the link.

David Burnett, one of the authors, is our very own DaveLoneRanger.

1 posted on 02/02/2012 5:56:57 PM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: Joe Brower; Travis McGee; ATLDiver; SLB; Squantos

Ping; FReeper author, Cato paper, good stuff.


2 posted on 02/02/2012 5:59:58 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Ping.


3 posted on 02/02/2012 6:00:47 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster

I studied under a guy named Gary Kleck at Fsu. He’s a liberal as expected, but did some great studies.. gun rights protect citizens and deter crime.. a no brainer.


4 posted on 02/02/2012 6:05:36 PM PST by goseminoles
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To: FreedomPoster

The inescapable fact is, when a criminal enters your home there are no cops there. If you are lucky enough to hear them entering and call the cops, there is a certain amount of time before the cops get to your house. In a gun control world the criminal is armed and in your house and you are not armed and are waiting for “help” to get to you. Chances are very good that by the time “help” arrives you are either dead, injured or raped and the criminal is on his way home...and the cops are left to fill out a report.


5 posted on 02/02/2012 6:11:22 PM PST by immadashell
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To: immadashell

There is no obligation for cops to protect us.. a 9mm will though.


6 posted on 02/02/2012 6:16:27 PM PST by goseminoles
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To: goseminoles

I prefer a 45. My son his Tokarev in 7.62 x25


7 posted on 02/02/2012 6:35:29 PM PST by Greg223
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To: FreedomPoster

Currently here in Grant County New Mexico, an inmate with federal charges escaped the detention center yesterday. The individual (Scott Freeman) has told his ex-wife and her family that he desired to kill them all. In this community along the Gila River the HQ of both the State Police and the County Sheriff are over 30 miles away.

I am thankful that this community is armed. Escapee Scott Freeman would be a Meth’d up dip-s*it to come back here into this community.

I do not understand libtards.


8 posted on 02/02/2012 6:37:39 PM PST by Carthego delenda est
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To: goseminoles
I believe that the US Supreme court decided many years ago that Police are there for the common good, not to provide security for each citizen all the time. It was in one of my studies and I cannot quote it.
9 posted on 02/02/2012 6:38:44 PM PST by mongo141
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To: mongo141

Yes! There is no obligation to protect.. they are report takers.. im engulfed in a healthcare law class for an mba, but my experience is in law enforcement.. don’t rely on cops. They are always late..


10 posted on 02/02/2012 6:44:56 PM PST by goseminoles
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To: mongo141

You are correct.


11 posted on 02/02/2012 6:45:10 PM PST by Carthego delenda est
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To: goseminoles

Or as I like to say, the police are there to secure the crime scene for the EMTs and possibly the M.E.

Armed self defense by citizens is so the above crew have a much better chance to be dealing with the appropriate person.


12 posted on 02/02/2012 6:52:38 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster
http://www.gunfacts.info
13 posted on 02/02/2012 6:53:59 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (FOREIGN AID: A transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Excellent.


14 posted on 02/02/2012 7:02:56 PM PST by Carthego delenda est
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To: goseminoles
So will a 1911 45 acp ,and do it better.
15 posted on 02/02/2012 7:04:18 PM PST by Billk
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To: immadashell

My comment went to wrong person about the 45 acp.


16 posted on 02/02/2012 7:08:38 PM PST by Billk
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To: Billk

Of course! Its our right! Im underserved by the a .380 s&w bodyguard. But I feel ok today. Will be pursuing. 22lr in the near future. Im not rich. Im a tea party guy..


17 posted on 02/02/2012 7:09:50 PM PST by goseminoles
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To: FreedomPoster

Downloaded for later.


18 posted on 02/02/2012 7:12:55 PM PST by Vigilantcitizen
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To: goseminoles

“Im a tea party guy..”

Do you really want to pursue a lesser caliber? Most of us here on Free Republic are ‘tea party guys’ as well...


19 posted on 02/02/2012 7:20:15 PM PST by Carthego delenda est
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To: FreedomPoster
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CUSTOMER IN CONVIENCE STORE: "Hey, you..... got a question for you."

PUNK POINTING GUN AT STORE CLERK: Ya'll all talking to me, Mother Fxxker?

CUSTOMER: "Yeppers, big boy."

PUNK: "What kinda question you want ax me, Fxxk Face?"

CUSTOMER: "Here it is....do you know what 'double tap means?"

PUNK: "Fxxk yo mama, Mother Fxxker."

CUSTOMER (pulling back his jacket with left hand and reaching to his waist with his right):"This, a$$hole !!"

LATER, ANOTHER CUSTOMER WHO HAD JUST ENTERED THE STORE: "I don't know, officer...I was about to open the door and walk in when I heard 'bang, bang' real fast and close together. Then, saw that guy hitting the floor and the guy wearing the suit, by the Coke machine with a big smile on his face".

20 posted on 02/02/2012 7:21:00 PM PST by jmax
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To: FreedomPoster; DaveLoneRanger
My favorite: The 82-year-old [Venus Ramey] leaned on her walker, pulled out a .38 revolver, said, “no you won’t,” and shot his car tire. She then held the two at gunpoint for police. Ramey is a former Miss America.

She still is Miss America to me!

21 posted on 02/02/2012 8:18:40 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Limbaugh: Tim Tebow miracle: "He had atheists praying to God that he would lose.")
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To: FreedomPoster

bump


22 posted on 02/02/2012 8:19:28 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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To: FreedomPoster; EdReform; Ladysmith; Petruchio; PeterPrinciple; alpha-8-25-02; F.J. Mitchell; ...

Hi everyone! I thought you might like to see this, the culmination of many years of work from Clayton Cramer and myself...and many years of posting here on Free Republic!

By way of update: After Righthaven sued Clayton and myself over the Armed Citizen blog, any dreams of souping it up into a professional resource dried up. I’d left my job at TSA (yes, THAT TSA) to pursue these goals, along with a law degree.

For those of you who know, law is a terrible field right now and enough research made me turn down a very handsome scholarship to a private Christian law school. I now work at a hospital and am pursuing a career as a nurse.

I still write for the NRA, Cato, et. al., plus I’ve done a couple of paid debates around the country to support campus carry, which is my pet issue at the moment.

There’s my little update. I still lurk around here sometimes, but you guys have been around since I BEGAN the journey to support gun rights, so it’s only fair to let you know why you’re not getting any pings, or why the website isn’t up to date.

Hope you enjoy the paper, and please come support Students for Concealed Carry at Facebook.com/ConcealedCampus or www.ConcealedCampus.org


23 posted on 02/02/2012 9:45:51 PM PST by DaveLoneRanger (Decriminalize concealed carry on campus! Facebook.com/ConcealedCampus)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Was wondering where you gone off to!


24 posted on 02/02/2012 10:22:13 PM PST by JDoutrider
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To: Greg223
My son his Tokarev in 7.62 x25

That round will scare the hell out of whatever it doesn't hit.

25 posted on 02/02/2012 10:28:16 PM PST by Stentor ("All cults of personality start out as high drama and end up as low comedy.")
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To: FreedomPoster

Go Dave!!!


26 posted on 02/02/2012 10:42:08 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Go Dave!!


27 posted on 02/02/2012 10:43:52 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Wow!
Good work!

Thanks for the ping.


28 posted on 02/02/2012 11:19:18 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Good for you Dave, I always keep my eye out for your work.

Good luck in your new carrier at the hospital and thanks for the update ping.

If you have the time, give the list a shout whenever you get published or have a chance to appear on TV

29 posted on 02/02/2012 11:41:34 PM PST by voteNRA (A citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
My daughter's senior paper was on campus carry, and she used ConcealedCampus.org as one of her sources.

On her behalf, I'd like to give you a big, FReeping THANK YOU for both the website and your efforts.

She'll be thrilled when I tell her I've spoken to you.

30 posted on 02/03/2012 3:15:35 AM PST by MamaTexan (I am ~Person~ as created by the Law of Nature, not a 'person' as created by the law of Man)
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To: FreedomPoster
From the article:
It is important, however, for conscientious policymakers to consider not only the stated goals of gun control regulations, but the actual results that they produce.
That, right there, is the problem. Leftists don't care if the legislation works. As long as they give the apperance of doing something and they're doing so with all the best intentions, results don't matter.

As far as I am concerned, all laws should be reviewed, evaluated by their original stated intentions (no mission creep allowed), and thrown out if they aren't making progress toward those stated intentions.

Never happen, but it's a fun fantasy...
31 posted on 02/03/2012 4:29:38 AM PST by Peet (Cogito ergo dubito.)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
32 posted on 02/03/2012 4:33:10 AM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: FreedomPoster

The overarching purpose of the second amendment is to allow the people to protect themselves against the very entity that wishes to disarm us - the government.

“...being necessary for the security of a FREE STATE,...”

We can’t hardly have a free state when the government has a monopoly on weapons now, can we?


33 posted on 02/03/2012 4:51:03 AM PST by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
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To: FreedomPoster
The estimates of defensive gun use range between the tens of thousands to as high as two million each year.

It's really hard to compile accurate statistics on defensive gun use, since many cases may not be reported. Some years ago, I had to draw on a druggie to convince him to get out of my car and leave me alone. I continued my drive, never reported it, and was more diligent thereafter about keeping my car doors locked when driving in the city.

34 posted on 02/03/2012 4:51:45 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (I'd agree with you, but then we would both be wrong.)
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To: PapaBear3625
It's really hard to compile accurate statistics on defensive gun use, since many cases may not be reported.

I think the perfect example (well, not perfect but notably representative) is in the movie "Men in Black" when the Alien approaches the tow truck driver with the shotgun - the tow truck driver simply says "Please..." and then pulls back his jacket to display a rather large revolver (possibly a 44 mag, but I don't remember).

How many times does just displaying a weapon give the bad guy second thoughts. I mean, stealing a quick $40 from Granny seems easy, but it isn't worth the risk of getting a 38 caliber hole through the head!

35 posted on 02/03/2012 4:58:29 AM PST by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
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To: FreedomPoster

Outstanding.


36 posted on 02/03/2012 5:18:58 AM PST by elhombrelibre ("I'd rather be ruled by the Tea Party than the Democratic Party." Norman Podhoretz)
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To: PapaBear3625
"It's really hard to compile accurate statistics on defensive gun use, since many cases may not be reported. Some years ago, I had to draw on a druggie to convince him to get out of my car and leave me alone."

It is safe to assume that any reported numbers are absolute minimums due to the above. But accurate numbers mean zip to the anti-2nd crowd. They ignore anything except what they "feeeeeelllll" is right. I loved the case in which two anti-gunners were going to do a statistical study to "debunk" Gary Kleck, and ended up getting MUCH HIGHER values for defensive gun usage than he did. They spent a large part of their paper proving why THEIR OWN NUMBERS just had to be wrong.

37 posted on 02/03/2012 5:36:16 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Greg223
My son his Tokarev in 7.62 x25

You can kill a man or any type of African big game with a .22. With that said, shot placement becomes more critical as caliber decreases. For myself, give me .45 the way Colt figured it for (semi) automatic pistols.

If your son is confident enough of his marksmanship even in the heat of a life or death encounter, more power to him.

38 posted on 02/03/2012 5:56:10 AM PST by magslinger (Who cares if they are"electable" if they are going to govern like Democrats? -noprogs)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

You’ve been a busy guy. We’ve missed your posts.


39 posted on 02/03/2012 6:18:00 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: meyer; PapaBear3625
How many times does just displaying a weapon give the bad guy second thoughts. I mean, stealing a quick $40 from Granny seems easy, but it isn't worth the risk of getting a 38 caliber hole through the head!

Exactly! The only part of a firearm I have ever used for self defense is the rackety rack of a pump 12 ga. I never mentioned to the police exactly why the guy trying to break down my door left so suddenly.

40 posted on 02/03/2012 6:27:39 AM PST by magslinger (Who cares if they are"electable" if they are going to govern like Democrats? -noprogs)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Nice to see you. Please keep in touch, and thanks for the ping.


41 posted on 02/03/2012 6:59:53 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: goseminoles
I have done business with these guys many times over the years and you'll rarely find cheaper prices for quality firearms anywhere and the shipping is included in the price! BUD'S I'll bet that I have done business with them, including trades (trading up, always) at least a dozen times. I've never felt ripped off or unfairly dealt with.
42 posted on 02/03/2012 9:22:43 AM PST by ExSoldier (FMR Infantry Captain; 25 yrs an NRA Instructor; Master of KLIK-PAO!)
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To: Greg223

How is the recoil on that Tokarev? My wife does not like .45 due to the recoil and when she shoots .38 Special out of her .357 snub, well that is about as much as she can handle.


43 posted on 02/03/2012 1:30:32 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: Peet
As far as I am concerned, all laws should be reviewed, evaluated by their original stated intentions (no mission creep allowed), .....

But that is the problem -- liberals/Progscum never state the real purpose of an overarching concept like gun control. Gun control ensures that they will be able to put boot on the throats of their adversaries. There is no other end in view.

44 posted on 02/03/2012 4:36:03 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Congratulations on getting the paper published!

Many thanks for the ping :)


45 posted on 02/03/2012 8:01:30 PM PST by jurroppi1
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To: FreedomPoster

It is amazing what absurd logic the left will use to force their insanity upon us. If a law forbidding gun ownership would stop people from shooting people it would be pointless and unnecessary for that very reason, anyone with the capability of adding two and two should be able to realize this.


46 posted on 02/04/2012 11:22:09 AM PST by RipSawyer
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Rock on Dave. Good job switching gears and adapting; seeing the writing on the wall about pursuing a law career. Thanks for the update and for all your prior pings.


47 posted on 02/04/2012 8:37:39 PM PST by MonicaG (God bless our military! Praying and thanking God for you every day. Thank you!)
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To: Carthego delenda est
I am thankful that this community is armed. Escapee Scott Freeman would be a Meth’d up dip-s*it to come back here into this community.

I would like to live somewhere I could say that.
48 posted on 02/04/2012 11:17:17 PM PST by MonicaG (God bless our military! Praying and thanking God for you every day. Thank you!)
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To: Billk

I wonder how hard it would be to design a 12 gauge shotgun pistol. Something like an oversize derringer.

Of course you’d have to develop special loads as well because a regular 12 gauge shell would probably take the shooters arm off a the shoulder, but could you imagine the look in a mugger’s face when he faced a bore that size?

And heck, with one of those, you’d only need one shot anywhere.

Messy cleanup, though.


49 posted on 02/07/2012 6:07:38 PM PST by Ronin (VOTE NEWT! He's Not Romney!)
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To: Ronin
M.....12 gauge shotgun pistol. Something like an oversize derringer...

What you're looking for is the LeMat Pistol, designed in the mid 19thC. Very popular cavalry weapon during the Civil War. It was a big-bore six-shooter with a 16-gauge barrel underneath, looking something like the idea of the 40MM tube under an M16.

The LeMat is currently being manufactured in Italy and the US by a couple of those companies that work the Cowboy Shooters and collectors markets. Apparently works great!

www.civilwar.si.edu/weapons_lemat.html

Should be enough to cause immediate and severe local sanitation problems amongst your neighborhood perps.

IMNSVHO, not a good candidate for IWB concealed carry, unless you weigh about 375 and wear muumuu's under a parka.

50 posted on 02/09/2012 7:40:58 AM PST by Kenny Bunk ((So, you're telling me Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out this eligibility stuff?))
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