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Issa coming up on Greta!
02-02-12 | Me

Posted on 02/02/2012 7:31:34 PM PST by Kevin in California

Turn it on.....


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; dea; dhs; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; obama

1 posted on 02/02/2012 7:31:38 PM PST by Kevin in California
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To: Kevin in California

Giving holder an “opportunity” to plead the fifth and leave government? Did I hear that right?


2 posted on 02/02/2012 7:42:44 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Kevin in California

Missed the interview! What did he say?


3 posted on 02/02/2012 7:43:23 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: MestaMachine

Giving holder an “opportunity” to plead the fifth and leave government? Did I hear that right?

*Sounds like what i heard too..

Can anyone elaborate on what this tactic implies?


4 posted on 02/02/2012 7:44:31 PM PST by rainee
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To: rainee
What?

Getting Holder out of government will make it much easier for Arizona to prosecute him for murder.

5 posted on 02/02/2012 7:46:13 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Kevin in California

It’s a GD cover up that goes all the way to the whitehouse. Call it what it obviously is Greta! Hundreds, possibly thousands of people are dead because someone at the highest level of government ordered US gun dealers to sell guns to known Mexican cartel members. This has conspiracy written all over it and if Bush was still in charge, the impeachment proceedings would already have been wrapped up.


6 posted on 02/02/2012 7:46:13 PM PST by RC one (the majority of republicans agree, anyone but Romney.)
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To: Kevin in California

This guy Issa pisses me of to no end!

He’s a wuss. He’s a doormat. He’s weak and frankly, incompetent. Just like Boehner, he can’t even talk a good game, much less play one. And THIS is what we get when WE WIN???

Greta would make a far better Chairman than Issa. In the interview, she kept chastising him for not getting any results for the families, letting Holder and others slip and slide rather than pinning them to the wall, and all Issa could do is nod and shrug his shoulders like a dopey schoolboy getting chewed out by a teacher, knowing full well nothing more would come of it.

Disgusting!

I’m sick and tired of people telling us we can never have anything but a two-party system. We deserve better than this!


7 posted on 02/02/2012 7:46:56 PM PST by bigbob
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To: bigbob; Joe Brower; Travis McGee; LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; ...

The very idea that Issa is willing to let holder plead out and walk away tells me he has no intention of getting to the absolute bottom...or top...of this crime against US and humanity. I am just sick.

BETRAYAL PING!


8 posted on 02/02/2012 7:53:09 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Kevin in California

Unfortunately, it may just come to not having enough proof to do anything else.

Issa also knows that, for the most part, if there was a conviction, Obama would just pardon him. And so would Joe Biden.

Holden would never spend even a single day in prison.


9 posted on 02/02/2012 7:53:16 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: bigbob

Check out Issa’s background. He appears entirely compromised from the start—which is exactly what the Democrats would have wanted.


10 posted on 02/02/2012 7:57:43 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Jonty30

obama is complicit! Let him try to pardon his own damn self.


11 posted on 02/02/2012 7:59:08 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: MestaMachine

Amen! Failure to vigorously prosecute crimes is tantamount to a cover-up, and Issa needs to grow a pair and do his job, or resign and make room for someone else who will.

If we are willing to plea-bargain the murder of US citizens through the covert actions of the US government, then we have lost our soul.

Screw Obama and his pardons. We do not fail to prosecute crimes because of the possibility of a pardon down the road. To do otherwise is to toss the rule of law into the dumpster.


12 posted on 02/02/2012 7:59:37 PM PST by bigbob
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To: rainee
Can anyone elaborate on what this tactic implies?

Either Issa is holding a pair of Aces, or he wants Holder to think he is. I have a feeling Monday is going to be interesting.

13 posted on 02/02/2012 8:00:01 PM PST by mnehring
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To: MestaMachine

Mesta...just coming on and listening to Great...says 2,500 police at some hotel....what’s happening witht that? Guess I’ll see....


14 posted on 02/02/2012 8:00:40 PM PST by caww
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To: MestaMachine

Mesta...just coming on and listening to Great...says 2,500 police at some hotel....what’s happening witht that? Guess I’ll see....


15 posted on 02/02/2012 8:00:42 PM PST by caww
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To: rainee

Trying him in America would likely lead to an immediate pardon, because he was acting on the behalf of the federal government.

However, if he’s out of government, he may be subject to extradition to Mexico.

No room for the fifth down there and I’m sure Mexico might be a bit more vested in an honest conviction.


16 posted on 02/02/2012 8:01:19 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: MestaMachine
The very idea that Issa is willing to let holder plead out and walk away tells me he has no intention of getting to the absolute bottom...or top...of this crime against US and humanity. I am just sick.

It could be for another reason. 1, you know you got something against the General so clear the pawns out of the way. or 2, he knows that if Holder does plead the fifth and resign, it would be devastating PR and could politically weaken Obama. While legally pleading the 5th is no admission of guilt, something like that happening in the eyes of the public is tantamount to an admission of guilt.

Another option is Issa is playing a bluff. He may not have that one piece of damning evidence he needs but he is making Holder think he does.

17 posted on 02/02/2012 8:03:45 PM PST by mnehring
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To: rainee

Thought this was about stalling this thing to break when Republicans want it to break, and that will be much closer to the election. We have no clue what is coming down on Issa for persuing this. Ulsterman Report has been a very good read for weeks, and this has been pine subject of discussion.


18 posted on 02/02/2012 8:03:57 PM PST by RitaOK (LET 'ER RIP, NEWT. Romnomoney buys Santorum. Newt has become a CAUSE & Rick S, a tool.)
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To: MestaMachine

If Obama was convicted and dragged out of office, who is next in line for the presidency?

Who do you think would be pardoning Obama and Holder and then assume a quiet retirement?


19 posted on 02/02/2012 8:05:00 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: MestaMachine
Never mind..I got it...guess the Cartel's threatening to kill officers so they're all holding up at hotels ...2,500 of them I guess.

This Border issue isn't going to be cleared up either....too many have their hands in the money/drug pot...politicians especially. Who's going to stop a 400 Billion a year money machine!

No more than anyones going to stop Obama and his....only he's using our money to the deeds

20 posted on 02/02/2012 8:05:42 PM PST by caww
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To: Jonty30

If “Bath-House Barry” was dragged outta office, would he still get the Secret Service protection in his “retirement”?


21 posted on 02/02/2012 8:07:41 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: RitaOK

Sorry. On my cell keyboard. “This has been one of the subjects ...”


22 posted on 02/02/2012 8:07:52 PM PST by RitaOK (LET 'ER RIP, NEWT. Romnomoney buys Santorum. Newt has become a CAUSE & Rick S, a tool.)
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To: Jonty30

That isn’t the point. The POINT is obama is complicit and not only will there be NO charges filed, there will be another possible term for the pos. This has far reaching consequences. I don’t CARE if biden pardons him AFTER he is charged and tried. I want him gone before he finishes murdering this country AND Mexico. Are you blind????


23 posted on 02/02/2012 8:12:01 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: 9YearLurker

Check out Issa’s background. He appears entirely compromised from the start—which is exactly what the Democrats would have wanted.


How is Issa’s background compromised?


24 posted on 02/02/2012 8:12:19 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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To: bigbob

Are we envisioning Adlai Stevenson at the UN?


25 posted on 02/02/2012 8:12:44 PM PST by eccentric (a.k.a. baldwidow)
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To: Mortrey

My belief is that Obama plans on being out of the States when it’s all over. He won’t have to hide anything anymore. I also belief that you could see him, if need be, fly to wherever, as President, step off the plane and resign his presidency where they can’t extradite him.

Don’t be surprised by anything at this point.


26 posted on 02/02/2012 8:14:44 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: caww

Besides the two Missionaries, eight policemen were brutally murdered. So they moved them into fortified hotels to ‘protect’ them. Fat chance.


27 posted on 02/02/2012 8:16:14 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Kevin in California

Holder’s folks waltzed into Arizona after a 3 year investigation of Sheriff Joe and accused him of being in violation of civil rights. When Joe asked for specific details instead of slander, Holder’s people equivocated that proof was unnecessary.

It would be SWEET if Issa trotted out some of this drivel as he accuses Holder. After all, the DOJ now operates under the “Dan Rather rules of evidence”.


28 posted on 02/02/2012 8:17:31 PM PST by the_Watchman
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To: Mortrey

Scary thought, how dangerous he will be when he is out of office. He knows our secrets. We think Carter is a loose cannon, but he’s an idiot. Obama hates this country, he will be a nightmare.


29 posted on 02/02/2012 8:18:16 PM PST by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: MestaMachine

Do you want Holder convict of just being an arse to Congress or do you want more?

At this point, that’s all you got, unless Issa has more.

You’re not going to get Obama based on the evidence so far. F&F may go straight to the White House, and it does, but show me with court quality evidence that he was in on it.


30 posted on 02/02/2012 8:18:49 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: little jeremiah

Read the ‘Military career, education and legal problems’ and ‘1982 factory fire’ sections of his wikipedia entry:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darrell_Issa#Criticism_and_controversy


31 posted on 02/02/2012 8:20:24 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Mortrey

Scary thought, how dangerous he will be when he is out of office. He knows our secrets. We think Carter is a loose cannon, but he’s an idiot. Obama will be a nightmare.
Secret Service’s job will be to protect us from him.


32 posted on 02/02/2012 8:22:31 PM PST by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: mnehring; MestaMachine

Another option is Issa is playing a bluff. He may not have that one piece of damning evidence he needs but he is making Holder think he does.


I was thinking more or less along the same lines. Like a dollar bill on a string or something. See what turns up.


33 posted on 02/02/2012 8:23:00 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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To: little jeremiah

Maybe it isn’t about Holder? In your dollar bill analogy, maybe he is dragging some bait through the water to pick up some smaller ‘fish’ who will take it out of fear? Holder had to give instructions to others to take action. Maybe the others think, if Holder takes the fifth, they will be next to be looked at so Issa is trying to get them to flip against Holder first?


34 posted on 02/02/2012 8:27:01 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Jonty30

I think someone hit on it in an earlier post on this thread. Here’s probably the best possible scenario we can hope for:

(1) There is currently no way to get this prosecuted in Federal Court. You won’t be able to get a competent special prosecutor and clearly the DOJ has multiple skins in the game. Therefore,

(2) Issa gets Holder to plead the 5th and quietly resign.

(3) The way is clear for Arizona to prosecute. If Holder can be brought into an Arizona court facing complicity in murder charges he might finally have a reason to “sing”. Issa does not have the authority to apply that kind of pressure.

(4) Even if Arizona cannot build a suitable case, does anyone here know if they have the authority to extradite to Mexico?! I’ll bet that would get anyone’s attention. :)


35 posted on 02/02/2012 8:28:09 PM PST by the_Watchman
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To: 9YearLurker

I feel sick after reading that.


36 posted on 02/02/2012 8:35:47 PM PST by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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# 8:

The very idea that Issa is willing to let holder plead out and walk away tells me he has no intention of getting to the absolute bottom ...or top... of this crime against US and humanity. I am just sick.

# 17:

It could be for another reason.

1, you know you got something against the General so clear the pawns out of the way. or

2, he knows that if Holder does plead the fifth and resign, it would be devastating PR and could politically weaken 0bummer. While legally pleading the 5th is no admission of guilt, something like that happening in the eyes of the public is tantamount to an admission of guilt.

Another option is Issa is playing a bluff. He may not have that one piece of damning evidence he needs but he is making Holder think he does.

37 posted on 02/02/2012 8:43:13 PM PST by LucyT
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To: the_Watchman

That is the situation. Does Congress hit him now on a lesser charge, so they at least get him for something, even if that something would be insufficient to get him to resign or apply the screws and get him for something else, which could lead to more serious charges and bigger fish?


38 posted on 02/02/2012 8:46:20 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: kalee; 9YearLurker

It would be interesting to see what Issa has to say about those incidents. Just for the record; wikipedia being what it is.


39 posted on 02/02/2012 8:57:24 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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To: Kevin in California

FWIW...

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/on-the-record/index.html#/v/1430330883001/holding-holders-feet-to-fast-and-furious-fire/?playlist_id=86925


40 posted on 02/02/2012 9:02:59 PM PST by RedCell (Honor thy Father (9/6/07) - Semper Fi / "...it is their duty, to throw off such government...")
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To: 9YearLurker

I notice that the citations for those sections mostly come from Ryan Lizza writing for The New Yorker and the rest are from David Broder writing for the Washington Post and Lance Williams writing for the San Francisco Chronicle.


41 posted on 02/02/2012 9:16:54 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: 9YearLurker

He’s not compromised by his Wikipedia information because it’s public information. Anybody who wants to know about this only has to look it up.

If you’re going to try and compromise somebody, you need to find stuff they don’t want the public to find out.


42 posted on 02/02/2012 10:07:53 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: MestaMachine

Yes I see that now, am catching up on the news bit by bit, but I had just caught that going on Greta....sheesh...the whole world is in a storm and the US is not immune by any means. We get Bambi out there will be a calm by comparison to the turmoil out there now.

Very concerning the boldness of Iran and other threats toward our nation now. Me thinks war is brewing no matter which way the wind blows now. There’s just far too many thugs who see the US as very weak..and they’re on the move accordingly.

Sometimes I think of Pearl Harbor at times as this.....we missed all the clues then...but now it’s completely in the open...I cannot remember a time when another nation threatened us on our own soil as Iran is now doing....and the administration continues to basically silent....Irans making no bones about their intentions and their movements are evidencing as much.....this tensions cannot go on indefinately...somethings going to give....Will Isreal indeed strike sooner rather than later? Lots of mis-information going on out there....Cuban Missle Crisis too comes to mind.


43 posted on 02/02/2012 11:17:04 PM PST by caww
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To: 9YearLurker

“Read the ‘Military career, education and legal problems’ and ‘1982 factory fire’ sections of his wikipedia entry:”

I did! First of all its Wikipedia so you have no idea of the veracity of what’s posted there. Secondly, all of the “questionable” stuff is thirty years ago. We need to concern ourselves with who he is today and what he’s going to do about Holder. The wiki stuff shows the guy is a smart cookie. To date, the FUBO Admin hasn’t gone after him so my guess is that they can’t find anything that they could use to compromise him on this investigation. I must admit to wanting to see Holder’s jock strap torn and bloody hanging on Issa’s spear, but the whole thing still has a long way to go to play completely out. So I for one, am willing to wait a little longer.


44 posted on 02/02/2012 11:17:49 PM PST by vette6387 (Enough Already!)
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To: vette6387

Washington and especially Congress run on what they have on each other. If you think this guy doesn’t have skeletons that can be well rattled, you’re being naive.


45 posted on 02/03/2012 1:48:32 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Jonty30

I read when the guy was named to his committee position that the speculation in DC was that the Dems could and probably would keep him on a short leash, that whatever investigations he did would be largely for show. To me that’s what it looks like has been going on. You’re welcome to disagree.


46 posted on 02/03/2012 1:50:46 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Kevin in California

OK, just so I am clear on this, and please correct me if I am wrong.

1. Eric Holder and Company put a plan in motion to give “aid and comfort” to the “enemy” in the “ war on drugs”, they willfully and knowingly used taxpayer money to supply the “enemy” in the “war on drugs” with Weapons. They Financed the “enemy” in the “war on drugs”. These weapons were then used by the”enemy” in the “war on drugs” to Murder Hundreds of innocent people, they were also used AGAINST our OWN CITIZENS BY THE ENEMY IN THE WAR ON DRUGS, At least one Federal Border Patrol Agent was Gunned Down by the “enemy” in the “war on drugs” with these weapons.

2. We The People have spent HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS Fighting the “enemy” in the “war on drugs” since President Richard Nixon signed an EXECUTIVE ORDER Declaring a “War on Drugs”.

3. Every Government Agency and Every Public Servant in America is involved in fighting the “enemy” in the “war on drugs”.

4. We have entire Federal Agencies and Educational Institutions dedicated to fighting the “enemy” in the “war on Drugs”, not to mention Every State has Redundant Agencies fighting the “ENEMY” in the “WAR ON DRUGS”.

5. Every Branch of our UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES is now and has been for years, HEAVILY INVOLVED in fighting the “ENEMY” in the “WAR ON DRUGS”.

Now with these amounts of Public Resources being used at every level of government in the Entire United States fighting the “ENEMY” in the “WAR ON DRUGS”, Why is this not TREASON???

Eric Holder and Company have admitted that this was all done as an effort to OVERTHROW THE SECOND AMENDMENT OF THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION, AND THE CONSTITUTION ITSELF.

TREASON I SAY
TREASON
TREASON
TREASON


47 posted on 02/03/2012 5:35:29 AM PST by eyeamok
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