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How to spot a concealed handgun
Buckeye Firerams Association ^ | 2 February, 2012 | drieck

Posted on 02/04/2012 7:20:48 AM PST by marktwain

Self-defense in modern society is about far more than carrying a gun, it's also about developing situational awareness. This means knowing where you are and what's going on around you at all times.

One vital element of situational awareness seldom taught in concealed carry classes is how to spot a concealed handgun. Just as you hope to have the element of surprise if you find yourself in a life-threatening situation, you want to avoid being surprised by an armed attacker.

Based on the experience of Robert T. Gallagher, former NYPD detective, Anti-Robbery Tactical Unit, this detailed illustration, titled Spotting a Hidden Handgun, explains some of the visual cues that reveal when someone is carrying a handgun.

You can also use this information to avoid providing others with the same visual cues which may alert them that you are carrying concealed.


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To: marktwain

I carry my LCP .380 in my right front pants pocket. Then I put my iPhone on top of it. All that shows is the outline of the iPhone


51 posted on 02/04/2012 8:41:32 AM PST by clamper1797 (Hoping to have some change left)
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To: Jeff Chandler

That works! Love it.


52 posted on 02/04/2012 8:41:37 AM PST by Calliecat
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To: Mr Rogers

I’m thinking cargo shorts and carrying in a pocket may be as good as it gets.

My pants are slightly baggy. And it’s not cause it’s hip or cool. They allow me to carry extra “baggage”.


53 posted on 02/04/2012 8:42:03 AM PST by FishinTX (Annoy liberals, VOTE NEWT.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
Be careful not to overcompensate. Muggers and thieves prefer to attack victims who do not appear confident or alert.

Exactly. I am always alert when walking city streets. You would probably call me paranoid. So far, it has worked for me.

I just feel really bad when I am in a city where I cannot carry (CCW).

54 posted on 02/04/2012 8:42:07 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: X-spurt
I don’t know what’s the point in trying so desparately to “hide” your gun?

So they don't freak out at the bank or the grocery store?

55 posted on 02/04/2012 8:42:45 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati)
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To: Calliecat
Of course, I don't think Oakley bothered to conceal her weapons.

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56 posted on 02/04/2012 8:44:35 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Even better hammerless.


57 posted on 02/04/2012 8:46:44 AM PST by dznutz
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To: dznutz

Any hints for us ladies that carry in our purses ? I carry a S&W .357 magnum. Sucker takes up a lot of room. Are there purses made for gun carrying ?
I used to carry a little Browning but have found that thugs and vermin don’t have enough respect for a woman with a little gun. However if you pull out that big revolver, instant respect.


58 posted on 02/04/2012 8:59:41 AM PST by Himyar
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

On that second, waistband carry, aka “Mexican Carry”, is just brain dead stooopid.


59 posted on 02/04/2012 9:03:48 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Himyar

Gun Carry Purses
60 posted on 02/04/2012 9:07:16 AM PST by RightField (one of the obstreperous citizens insisting on incorrect thinking - C. Krauthamer)
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To: marktwain

My KelTec .32 is so small and light I had to prove to a DPS trooper (ever so slowly and carefully)that I was armed after informing him per the Texas CHL laws during a traffic stop on my Harley. (P)
I cut a small slit in the bottom of my Wrangler’s watch pocket and it stays at the top of my pocket, covered by a t-shirt.


61 posted on 02/04/2012 9:16:58 AM PST by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: Himyar
Any hints for us ladies that carry in our purses ? I carry a S&W .357 magnum.

S&W MODEL M&P340

62 posted on 02/04/2012 9:24:26 AM PST by dznutz
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To: marktwain

A person wearing 5.11 clothing is also a good sign that they are carrying.


63 posted on 02/04/2012 9:36:13 AM PST by dmcnash (y)
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bmfl


64 posted on 02/04/2012 9:44:28 AM PST by Titan Magroyne (What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Another GOOD aspect of living in Texas, not being surrounded by lib weinies.


65 posted on 02/04/2012 9:53:03 AM PST by X-spurt
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To: X-spurt
Another GOOD aspect of living in Texas, not being surrounded by lib weinies.

They don't mind you packing in the bank?

66 posted on 02/04/2012 10:02:34 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati)
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To: marktwain

It looks like the majority of these cues are due to not having a holster at all.


67 posted on 02/04/2012 10:03:34 AM PST by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: SaxxonWoods

Is anyone familiar with the Smart Holster, sits in front below the belt? I’ve heard claims you can carry a 1911 and sit, drive etc. with no problem.


68 posted on 02/04/2012 10:11:18 AM PST by SaxxonWoods (....The days are long, but the years are short.....)
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To: SaxxonWoods

My problem is I play music in bars and have groupies hugging me all the time. I’m thinking ankle holster with boots or Smart Holster is my only hope.


69 posted on 02/04/2012 10:13:00 AM PST by SaxxonWoods (....The days are long, but the years are short.....)
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To: X-spurt

Exactly. I have carried concealed for the last 20 years. I want those that need to know like cops, criminals and other carriers to know. In my few interactions with police over the years I have seen the officer pause a few seconds while they make the evaluation that I am not a threat. (BTW, not once have I been asked to produce my permit.) I have seen gang bangers look me over and determine that I am a threat. Once I was being followed by some youths on public transit while unarmed (not legal at the time.) I turned to face them and adjusted my phantom shoulder holster and they decided to take another direction.


70 posted on 02/04/2012 10:22:07 AM PST by dmcnash (y)
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To: The_Media_never_lie
I do not keep a round chambered, for safety reasons.

It's not going to feel very safe when you have to rack the slide with the hand your attacker has already broken, for example.

71 posted on 02/04/2012 11:51:35 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: mnehring

You want to be careful with those types. There was a wallet holster similar to that which was declared by the NFA/ATF to be an “Any Other Weapon” (AOW) legal only when registered.

I forgot which aspect made it hinky, but Galco (I believe) had to recall a bunch of them, as they were felonies to possess unless registered, like when the old Street Sweepers were declared to be Destructive Devices.

Ed


72 posted on 02/04/2012 12:09:53 PM PST by Sir_Ed
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To: Jeff Chandler

My understanding is that a business must post a notice outside banning carry.
I rarely go into a bank.


73 posted on 02/04/2012 1:51:20 PM PST by X-spurt
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To: mvpel
It's not going to feel very safe when you have to rack the slide with the hand your attacker has already broken, for example.

It is a chance I would be willing to take. I am not LE, and am not normally in areas where there are bad guys. Plus, the sound of a round chambering has a very sobering effect on an attacker.

I was a CG reserve watchstander for 14 years (+6 Air Nat. Guard = 20). There were at least 3 weapons incidents in our unit, maybe more during that time frame. Every LE officer has an accidental discharge story to tell. I heard of a local weapons instructor who shot the tipp of his finger off.

I practice at the range chambering without jamming, and I know how to do that with my weapon.

Situational awareness will provide me with the 2 seconds I need to chamber, and with me it's safety first.

74 posted on 02/04/2012 1:52:11 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: marktwain

Link from article shows no evidence for an ankle holster.


75 posted on 02/04/2012 2:40:37 PM PST by NYTexan
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To: marktwain

Bookmark


76 posted on 02/04/2012 2:45:31 PM PST by TheConservativeParty ( Everytime a democrat loses, a Moonbat gets its wings burned off.)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

+1


77 posted on 02/04/2012 3:53:45 PM PST by Petruchio (I Think . . . Therefor I FReep.)
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To: marktwain; a fool in paradise

Are you glad to see me?


78 posted on 02/04/2012 3:56:34 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Jeff Chandler
"They don't mind you packing in the bank?"

I live in an open carry state, and am in and out of three different banks regularly with no problems. The only questions I've ever had were on the order of; 'watcha packin'?'. I do have a CCW, and CC most of the time, but like I said, no problems in banks. Costco on the other hand, asked me to leave the one time I open carried there, and they didn't have any signs at the entrance disallowing firearms.

I've been CC'ing for 20+ years and the best advice I can give is to: a) Use a retension holster. b) Wear it on a belt designed for carrying a gun. Those two things will make the biggest difference. The gun won't flop around, or fall out, and you won't be hand-checking, or adjusting it all the time. If it's secure, you don't think about it. If you don't think about it, you'll forget it's there. If you forget it's there, you don't telegraph that you're carrying.

Personally, I CC a Glock 21 (full size .45) in a Blackhawk Serpa holster, on a 5.11 stiffend nylon gun belt. It rides at 3 o'clock, FBI style (high and canted forward) and no one can tell, even under a light shirt.

79 posted on 02/04/2012 4:00:48 PM PST by IYellAtMyTV (Je t'aime, faire du bruit comme le cochon.)
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To: al baby

Once upon a time I carried an NAA .22LR revolver (mouse gun) folded up in a bandana under my hat.

I gave the gun to a skinny, bow-legged girl I was dating who carried it in a holster between her thighs.


80 posted on 02/04/2012 5:12:29 PM PST by darth
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To: Nervous Tick
OK — so where’s his real wallet?

It's disguised as a large frame semi-auto that he wears in a holster in his hip.

Don't stand behind him at the counter of a convenience store!

81 posted on 02/04/2012 6:30:32 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: RepRivFarm
I carry in a “fanny pack” type quick access holster year round.

Don't say "fanny pack", say "field pack" instead.

Why?

Ask a Australian

82 posted on 02/04/2012 7:23:13 PM PST by China Clipper ( Animals? Sure I like animals. See? There they are next to the potatoes!)
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To: TYVets; sinanju
Except in Bloomberg's NYC where the odds are 1 in 10,000 that the person packing is legal

He said "legitimately", not "approved even by fascists who wouldn't trust you with table salt". The latter is hardly a prerequisite for the former.

83 posted on 02/04/2012 8:54:39 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: clamper1797

At the Dollar Tree. Cost.. you guessed it. Weight: zero. The materials, stitching, and piping are top notch quality, should last forever. I never cease to be amazed at how perfectly it fits. It's as if it was custom made for Ms. P.


84 posted on 02/04/2012 9:22:44 PM PST by I see my hands (The old sod ne'er shall be forgot.)
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To: darth

Everywhere except the shower and marital bed. With the new +V it hits like a .9.


85 posted on 02/04/2012 9:36:03 PM PST by I see my hands (The old sod ne'er shall be forgot.)
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To: marktwain
Hilarious.
I carried 'concealed' for 30+ yrs. Legally.
Everything from .22 to a .45 acp.
99.9% of it is how you carry yourself.
86 posted on 02/05/2012 1:52:09 AM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: I see my hands

Is that the .22 mag?

I always wondered what the actual muzzle velocity of my .22LR was. It would penetrate 3/4” plywood, but barely.

Once I owned a Beretta Minx in .22 Short. I was out in the desert plinking at 5 gallon metal paint cans, but I kept missing (???). No holes in the can.

Finally, I moved up to about 15 feet and fired where I could not miss.

I heard the bullet whir past my ear. They were BOUNCING OFF THE SHEET METAL CAN.

That Beretta jammed a lot too. Sold it.


87 posted on 02/05/2012 10:12:10 AM PST by darth
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To: marktwain

I was thinking of one of those new Apple tablet or smartphone cases that you wear on a belt clip Apple logo and all and convert it into a holster, I carry a pocket .380 and you probably even with a trained ey would not see it when I wear winter clothing, an advantage living in colder climates.


88 posted on 02/05/2012 10:32:44 AM PST by Eye of Unk (Liberals need not reply.)
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To: darth
Yes, using .22 WMR, 30 grain at 2,200 fps. Of course, I think the velocity and muzzle energy are calculated with a barrel longer than 1 ⅛", lol. Still, very hard hitting.

I believe the .22 shorts are often subsonic and most useful for discreet assassinations of enemy spies at a baccarat table at a distance of less than zero yards.


89 posted on 02/05/2012 10:37:54 AM PST by I see my hands (The old sod ne'er shall be forgot.)
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To: Beelzebubba

A holster that is considered a “Any other weapon”? These types of holsters (known as shoot throughs) are not classified as a weapon, and a pistol inside one of the holsters is not classified any differently.


90 posted on 02/06/2012 5:38:10 AM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Durus

(Assuming of course that the pistol still looks like a pistol, ie: exposed slide&muzzle)


91 posted on 02/06/2012 5:51:21 AM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: dmcnash
A person wearing 5.11 clothing is also a good sign that they are carrying.

Yep. Nice and stretchy.
92 posted on 02/06/2012 6:18:09 AM PST by RandallFlagg (Look for the union label, then buy elsewhere.)
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To: Durus

A holster that is considered a “Any other weapon”? These types of holsters (known as shoot throughs) are not classified as a weapon, and a pistol inside one of the holsters is not classified any differently.


You’re wrong, don’t seem aware of the NFA, and anyone who follows your advice faces serious legal repercussions.


93 posted on 02/06/2012 7:01:36 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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To: Durus

I did not know that, glad this came up.

Any Other Weapons (AOWs)—this is a broad “catch-all” category used to regulate any number of firearms which the BATFE under the NFA enforces registration and taxation. Examples include, among others:

1) Smooth-bore pistols 2) Pen guns and cane guns 3) A firearm with combinations smooth bore and rifle barrels 12 inches or more but less than 18 inches in length from which only a single shot can be made from either barrel. 4) Disguised firearms 5) Firearms that can be fired from within a wallet holster or a briefcase 6) A short-barreled shotgun which came from the factory with a pistol grip is categorized as an AOW rather than a Short Barrel Shotgun (SBS), because the Gun Control Act describes a shotgun as “…designed or redesigned to be fired from the shoulder…” 7) Handguns with a forward vertical grip.


94 posted on 02/06/2012 7:09:52 AM PST by READINABLUESTATE ("We must hang together, gentlemen...else, we shall most assuredly hang separately." - Franklin)
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To: Beelzebubba

I’m not wrong, I know quite a bit about NFA, and I offered no advice. It’s a plain fact that you are wrong and a bit of a jerk to boot.


95 posted on 02/06/2012 7:17:59 AM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: I see my hands
I have an even lighter and smaller version of this for my LCP


96 posted on 02/06/2012 7:40:22 AM PST by Poser (Cogito ergo Spam - I think, therefore I ham)
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To: Poser

Re: 96, my De Santis pocket holster for my little Ruger LCP (which looks just like the one in your picture) looks a lot like that. It strongly resembles a wallet when I carry it in my back pocket. Great for running in seedy areas.


97 posted on 02/06/2012 7:47:55 AM PST by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
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To: marktwain
I use this occasionally:

http://www.thunderwear.com/aboutus.asp

Pretty comfortable once you get used to it.

98 posted on 02/06/2012 8:09:54 AM PST by A. Patriot (Have we lost our Republic? Do the majority of Americans care?)
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To: Jeff Chandler
Good. My chosen meas of carry minimizes all of those. Unless I'm printing badly of course.

I use a retention holster or a Smart Carry.

Retention when it's colder and a cover garment does not look out of place. No worries about the gun shifting, falling out, or needing adjustment as a proper belt-to-holster arrangement fixes this issue.

In warmer weather, the Smart Carry rig allows completely free movement with no one the wiser unless you are doing a serious "bump and grind" out on the dance floor.

"Is that a pistol in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?"

All that being said, I'd still prefer open carry. The element of surprise in responding to an attack is not sufficient enough excuse in comparison to projecting strength and preventing said attack. IMO.

99 posted on 02/06/2012 8:11:22 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Yet another reason to take Ayoob's advise with a LARGE grain of salt.

Major situational awareness fail if she got close enough to him to "slam" him without him knowing she was there.

100 posted on 02/06/2012 8:17:26 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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