Skip to comments.Military Is Telling Catholic Chaplains What They Can And Can't Say About the Obama Administration
Posted on 02/04/2012 10:25:49 AM PST by bkopto
The emerging conflict between the Catholic Church and the Obama administration may have a new front: in the U.S. military itself.
The Catholic Church is fighting mad about an HHS ruling that would have them buy insurance for things they consider sinfulcontraception, sterilization and abortion.
All the bishops in the country sent out a letter to be read in their parishes promising that the Church "cannot-and will not-comply with this unjust law."
Even Archbishop Timothy Broglio, who is in charge of Catholic military chaplains sent out the same letter.
But after he did, the Army's Office of the Chief of Chaplains sent out another communication forbidding Catholic priests to read the letter, in part because it seemed to encourage civil disobedience, and could be read as seditious against the Commander-in-Chief.
More than one Catholic chaplain who spoke to us off the record confirmed that many chaplains disobeyed this instruction and read the letter anyway.
The letter also tries to clarify to priests that the Archbishop's letter "concerns a moral, not a political issue."
While it is true that soldiers do not have an unlimited right to free speech or political action, the military does not want to strain relations with the Catholic Church and its chaplains who provide services to many service members of all faiths.
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Please, can you post a link to something (credible) about the exemption for muzlims? I will need it when I start shooting off my mouth in my locale.
And so it must be that chaplains have some leeway as to what they really are: under God's command, common sense command, or Obama's command.
Chaplain Otto Sporrer was awarded a Silver Star for taking command and successfully leading American forces in an extreme retreat situation. That action is mentioned in the book telling Chesty Puller's story.
No only Muslim Doctors have that right, even to say they are not obligated to defend the Constitution because their loyalty is to Allah, and Sharia, then go of and kill a bunch of people in a work related incident.
They do not take an oath to obey politicians and/or orders that violate the Constitution.
Fag-i-fied military leadership...
Wise words from my old man when I was drafted in 1970:
“Keep your eyes and ears open, your mouth shut, and don’t volunteer for nothing.”
It's not mine, it's Congress':
Article I, Section 8: "The Congress shall have Power...To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;"
That's from the US Constitution.
Now take your uncivil, hostile ignorance and sod off.
He’s half black and 100 percent socialist.A person would have to be stupid AND evil to vote for him now.
Let’s hope the 54% of Catholics who voted democrat the last time wake up.
Put an end to all this MARXIST B.S. once and for all!
I do a fair amount w/ the church.
If you have specific suggestions, please feel free.
Thanks for your kind response.
I lost track of Jerry after Byte’s demise.
Much appreciate the link.
Good on that Mother Superior, BTW.
Thx for your kind reply.
I do think that FR needs to be WISE
about where it puts its umph.
There’s a LOT of futility going to come more and more glaringly to light in the next 12 months.
1. Humankind is the best thing this planet has seen in the known universe, not to mention right here on this rock;
2. Humankind starts when the sperm impregnates the egg and starts to divide with particular DNA, chromosomes, genes, etc. Before that, the egg and sperm are little more than bacteria;
3. People argue when a fetus is viable. I say at the time it became a fetus. Look above for when it becomes such;
4. First semester, second semester, and third semester arguments are just that - arguments for those who don't accept the concept of humans being conceived once the male sperm and the female egg combine. Sorry libs, when you're pregnant, you're pregnant, and that means this is a growing person inside you;
5. I'm sick of the religious (my god is better than your god) argument. We need to realize that a human is created by US! It's so simple. Again, when the sperm with its DNA hits the Egg DNA and starts to multiply;
6. Let's go back to the semester thing. I challenge anyone to prove to me when human life begins after conception. What's the parameters? When the cells start to divide? What? Two, 20, 5,000, a million, a billions? When the heart starts beating (that's early)? When the brain forms to recognize sounds (as proven by studies)? When it is viable enough to exist outside the body? What? When? What week? Tell me.
None of you have no idea in your selfish simplistic thinking when a human becomes a human.
I know many are going read this and pray that I find religion in this debate, sorry, I'm an agnostic so that's a non-starter.
What I do know is that the human race is the best thing ever seen. While I hope there is something more, I believe that to kill an innocent human in the womb is probably the most atrocious act humanity can do. We fight brutal wars against each other, but at least that is men/women against each other who have fighting chance. A fetus in the womb has NO chance, I repeat, NO chance to fight for its existence.
For the liberal/progressive/greenie/Gaia types who don't get the above, think of pushing a knife in the head of a puppy-dog just before it comes out (as in late term abortions - would love to watch the horror of PETA if they actually saw that). Or, think of doing THAT to a baby seal that gets NO chance to even exist.
You liberal/progressive/socialist/commies are the bain of mankind. You claim you're supporting Planned Parenthood for the better of women, but somewhere down inside you know you are killing human beings.
Abortion is inhumane, period.
I think military priests see they are being forced out of service.
Some people have gone over the PC bridge,and no matter what you say to them , they are too indoctrinated to hear any truth, i.e., 95% black, 45% catholic, more 75% self-hating jew, and 100% white liberal succubi, voted for an unknown half-caf, to sooth their feelings . San Jose is hosting a Muslim indoctrination forum, where all the little kids are invited to hear a Muslim woman talk about all the glories of Islam. And some Muslim propaganda books will be for sale too. That’s how completely lost these liberals are; they hate Christians, but will coddle shariah like it was the same as secularism-—truely sad state we are.
I’m not catholic, but this has nothing to do with “being catholic” it’s about religious freedom, specifically the First Sentence of the First Amendment.
Without religious freedom, you have NO freedom. Shame on this government.
The Military Is Now Telling Catholic Chaplains What They Can And Can't Say About The 0_bomination Administration
Article, then Pastor Martin Niemöller's quote at # 2.
"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Socialist.
"Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
"Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Jew.
"Then they came for me -- and there was no one left to speak for me. "
You’ve got *weeks* of good reading there.
BTW, that is the only site besides FR that I send money to. Well, and a little from time to time to Michael Yon.
“One cut at a time makes for a slow death of a country.”
The rate and proliferation of such “cuts” is speeding up.
IT IS NOW UP TO US TO STAND UP TO THIS CHALLENGE AND WIPE OUT SOCIALISM/COMMUNISM/MARXISM/REVOLUTIONARIES/ISLAMIC SHARIA LAW SYMPATHYZERS FROM THIS WHITE HOUSE!
Swallow your fear, dig deep within yourself for the courage, say a prayer, unite with like minded people and fight this oppression at every turn, until we can remove the oboma vermin from OUR White House.
What’s Michael Yon up to these days. I don’t recall what I know of him but his name rings a faint bell.
We must ALL join forces against this evil persecution...it has started and we all see it....now grab a hold of your courage and fight it!
NOT FEAR at all.
I’ve just read the script in Scripture.
There will likely be no deliverance from the globalist satanic machine until after Armageddon.
I believe we are to speak up and act AS LED OF THE LORD. And when led of The Lord, fruit from our actions will accrue.
Otherwise, it is futility and suffering as far as the eye can see.
Only what’s done for Christ will last . . . at all.
The political charade is a distraction sucking up money, interest, energy and time . . . to no good or effective result.
The real evils go on barely even under the table any more.
This audio recording of OThuga’s felonies etc. is just a hint.
The folks who put him in power will either leave him there or replace him.
It won’t matter greatly to the over all scheme of things.
They are determined to have the Biblically predicted one world government ASAP.
And their OThuga Destroyer-in-Chief is merely the current top stooge in our sphere. They can change him in a flash any number of ways. They can put a new one in with more ‘conservative’ window dressing . . . or they can keep him in and wind him up tighter turning the heat up a list of ways.
Everyone of any merit whatsoever seems to be convinced that the utter economic melt-down is headed our way this year.
Perhpas WW3 is, as well.
Certainly hunger will likely take a great leap.
Changing the masks on the stooges in DC will not change that greatly.
I have hung myself out to dry fighting globalism, Marxism, socialism for decades. I’m probably on the red list for my troubles.
If The Lord doesn’t Rapture us out of here soon, He alone knows the traumas ahead.
He has promised to be with us and never foresake us. He is our only hope in any regard on any score.
Does the military tell the Islamic chaplains this? Didn’t think so.
See this for what it is....and fight it, resist it, and destroy it. We must remove this vermin in the White House, and return this country to the Constitution, freedom and liberty. We have the fight of our lives ahead of us...and we must be in it to win it.
I retired about 10 years ago. I never had anyone tell me what I could or couldn’t say.
Like I said, that was 10 years ago.
Reading between the lines, I think there is now a huge push to make non-religious events be religion free, and the chaplains are pretty well able to be themselves in their own worship setting.
I do not believe that was the intent behind having chaplains. It certainly wasn’t George Washington’s intent.
You do not have to be contemptuous of Obama to say that the contraception policy is both morally wrong and constitutionally illegitimate.
In fact, you don’t even have to mention Obama.
The voters are in charge of the government. The members of government work for the voters - who hire them.
It’s the voters’ responsibility that the government, who works for the people, sends the military into frivolous situations.
If we allow these enemies from within to make deep cuts into our Constitution, freedom and liberty, without our resisting and fighting them in all ways possible, we will lose this country.
We’re all aware here of the overwhelming odds facing us...we are being attacked from every direction by socialists/marxists/communists/fascists/revolutionaries/muslim sharia law sympathyzers....if I left anyone out, just throw em’ on the pile. While I am praying to the Lord for courage, strength to handle my fears, guidance to make the right decisions as to how to deal with this enemy, I AM willing to actively fight this enemy any way I can.
The Lord helps those who help themselves. Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition. It is up to We The People, with God’s help, to win this war against the enemies in the White House. Let us not forget soldiers of wars past who prayed for guidance as they fought and won the war. Many died so that we may be free. Their sacrifices must NOT have been for naught.
not but or instead of
Prayer, fasting, right living, all the other prep . . . are essential.
And, while I’m all for guns etc. . . .
the best weapons we have are not carnal . . . but spiritual.
We wrestle not against flesh and blood as Scripture makes clear.
However, a lot of demonized folks deserve to be splattered into fine tiny pieces if they threaten the wrong things.
Nevertheless, I really do not see lobbying nor voting nor marching . . . doing a lot of lasting good at this stage . . . as important as such things may be.
Scripture says that when evil is in power, the good hide themselves . . . this is that sort of time.
Striking out at an elephant may make the piss ant proud in front of his cohorts . . . doesn’t do a lot of lasting good.
True patriots are potent in a list of ways and should stand up and be counted AS LED OF GOD.
Running around wasting resources in acts of poorly thought-out futility does NOT help the Republic nor the Christian church much at all.
The globalist Marxist socialist oligarchy shredded that dynamic and Constitution a long time ago.
They’ve been in strong power at least 60 years . . . probably 110 years and some say from the founding and back to Rome.
As Stalin said—he didn’t care who voted or how. Only cared about who ‘counted’ the votes.
One globalist family manufactures and sells the voting machines. They’ve been proven to be easily hackable.
The SElections are a charade. Bread and circuses to distract from the worse treasons under the table.
The military is not responsible for managing the government. the voters are.
“You do not have to be contemptuous of Obama to say that the contraception policy is both morally wrong and constitutionally illegitimate.
In fact, you dont even have to mention Obama.”
I don’t have a problem with that.
I don’t even have a problem with the contents of the letter in question, particularly since I have not seen a link that lets me read the whole thing and therefore develop an opinion of it.
I might not have a problem with violating the UCMJ, under some circumstances.
I do have a problem with the “Full Title” as it heads the article and was repeated in post 1. It’s misleading at the very least.
Remember our Fore Fathers and look to what history has taught us...Give Us Liberty Or Give Us Death.
My post at 33 or 34 contains an excerpt from this article that allows little doubt that the chief of chaplains did write such a letter. Now, the chief of chaplains is himself a Roman Catholic. It is possible according to the RC system that his position as ranking Roman Catholic permits him to speak in religious terms to his fellow priests. I don’t know.
However, if, as the Chief of Chaplains, he instructed all the other priests not to read the letter, then that truly is the “military” telling chaplains what they can and can’t say about this policy of the Obama admin.
My doubt that this instruction from the chief would have been religious is that in religious circles his superior is clearly the military archdiocese and they sent the letter to all the priests. I doubt he has authority to countermand his superior.
But, I’m just assuming. My assumptions, though, are based on a career as a military chaplain.
True. But that's not the same as “The Military Is Now Telling Catholic Chaplains What They Can And Can't Say About The Obama Administration.”
The “now” indicates something new and it's not new. The military has been telling commissioned officers that they can't use “contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, etc.” for a long time and not just for the Obama Administration.
And the “Catholic Chaplains” implies that they are the only ones being told, which is also not true.
I quoted the UCMJ in my post 33. (Though I didn't mention that generic offense regarding "contrary to good order and discipline" if it's still there.)
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The part I’m focusing on, Kris, is the instruction from the chief to priests NOT to read a letter to the various military parishes.
THAT is government obstruction of religion. It is the government saying that the Pope and his subordinates are not in charge of the Catholic Church, and that is to include the Catholic Church that meets within the confines of the US military.
So, yes, this is extremely new. I’ve never heard of such a thing before.
I’m Jewish but I think I’ve found some useful information for my Catholic friends.
*The anti-Christ lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., NW, DC
*Two “fallen angels” who are aiding the anti-Christ are Catholics - Nancy Pelosi (ne D’Alessandro) and “Leon Panetta”.
I think it is time for some old time “excommunicating”, and maybe an good exorcism thrown in for safety.
*Obama’s former Christian church was that of Rev. Jeremiah Wright (Chicago Trinity Church). However, since Wright has been both a Christian, a marxist (liberation theology) and fan of Castro, as well as a buddy of Christian-hating Louis Farrakhan, I think I’ve found the real name of his church.
It’s the “I Hate Whitey Church of Marxist Liberation and Reparations”, based on the teachings of the Right Marxist Rev. James Cone and Prof. “I Hate Whitey” Charles Ogletree, among others.
And a couple of the rabbis in Chicago who support(ed) Obama were hardcore leftists in their own right (this is the only time we can ever use the word “right” when referring to them).
* Obama supporter and nutty Catholic priest Flieger comes from a long line of marxist Catholics starting with the Berrigan Brothers up through Rev. James Groppi (Milwaukee), the avowedly pro-Viet Cong activist, renegade Catholic theologian Harvey Cox, marxist Sister Rosemary Reuther, and Webber, etc.
As we say in Yiddish, this is one Mishuganah (crazy) bunch of reds, black extremists and anti-Christ white Catholics.
Where is the inquisition now that we have a real need for one?
I believe the Catholic Vote went Obama in 2008.
I’ll try to act surprised when it goes Obama again in 2012.
I think the first two groups you mention are pretty safe.
Read the two updates, Good News,
Freedom of Religion is a Constitutional right along with the freedom of speech, Update 1
ARMY backing off Update 2
Don’t have time to chase down the specifics for you, but I believe the basis for it is that islam regards insurance as a form of gambling.
Yon is a freelance war correspondent who has spent a *lot* of time downrange in really crappy places with our guys. He is the Ernie Pyle of this era. The fact that he is not covered in journalism awards is as severe an indictment of the mainstream media as exists.
No. Not fantasy. Reality.
The Constitution has not been greatly operative in key respects on key issues regarding key contexts for a long time.
The FANTASY IS THAT OTHERWISE IS THE TRUTH.
We have had mostly traitorous folks in the Whitehouse; a Senate full of traitors; a traitorous House leadership; a wholly traitorous globalist owned MSM for decades . . . along with grossly corrupt labor leaders; international conglomerates; globalist Marxist designed Education farces; Federal Depts; & major chunks of the medical field; food production and distribution fields etc. for many years. They have run roughshod over the Constitution for decades--whenever it suited them, however it suited them. And their well placed cohort--traitorous--lodge buddy judges have affirmed their shredding the Constitution right and left.
I know for a fact from my Navy job that the business of court ordered warrants for wiretaps has been an utter farce for AT LEAST 40 years. ALL electricity based communication circuits have been monitored by literally acres of computers for AT LEAST 40 years. ALL. No court orders. No warrants.
Go right ahead and maintain your fantasies that the globalists who OWN ALL THE LARGE CORPS AND ALL THE MAJOR POLITICIANS are bossed and owned by the serfs and slaves. It's a quaint fantasy. It fits our Constitution. It doesn't any longer fit the REALITY . . . if it ever did. I was aware during JFK's SElection that it was a farcical system. And I was only in High School. After studying globalism for 45 years, there's no doubt whatsoever. Not a shred.
I have no longer any choice but to realize that any other perspective but the true, reality based perspective is a gross farce, a fantasy.
The military is not responsible for managing the government. the voters are.
The military--hopefully--still has a goodly percentage of patriots in it . . . who will stand up at critical times and do the right thing and tell their globalist overlords to shove it. However . . . their lives would likely be forfeit shortly thereafter.
The voters don't have a say in anything. Their votes don't count. Their voices don't count. Most are slated for extermination in the rush to reduce the population forcably to 200 million globally.
Ask Jesse Ventura if the voters have a say. He learned otherwise.
Ask the experts in voter fraud if the will of the people influences anything significant.
Ask any ranking Senator or House member if any of their colleagues REALLY GIVE THE SLIGHTEST FLIP what their constituents really want.
It's all smoke and mirrors and sham. And has been for a long time.
Wake-up, folks. We ain't in Kansas any more.
ONLY WHAT'S DONE FOR CHRIST WILL LAST.
ONLY WHAT'S DONE FOR CHRIST WILL BE OF ANY BENEFIT TO THE REPUBLIC OF THE US OF A.
I’m all for throwing big monkey wrenches in the globalist machine’s cogs whatever ways The Lord might lead.
I don’t know that a lot of such opportunities will be presented to the average person.
Yet everyone can pray.
Everyone can pray that God causes the evild doers to fall in the pit they have dug for the rest of us ASAP.
Everyone can pray that the evil doers fight and destroy each other over their arrogance, greed and selfishness.
Everyone can pray that the evil doers will be the first to catch the plagues they have engineered to destroy the rest of us.
Everyone can help wake-up the people in their sphere’s of influence as to how bad things already are and how much worse they are on the brink of becoming overnight.
Everyone can seek God’s face on their own behalf and the behalf of their family.