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With Mitt in the lead, anti-Romney Republicans weigh their options
The Hill ^ | February 4, 2012 | Niall Stanage

Posted on 02/04/2012 3:31:39 PM PST by Clintonfatigued

Those who continue to believe that Romney can be stopped are focused — as is the campaign of Newt Gingrich — on the possibility of a long delegate fight. They have largely given up hope of anyone winning a knockout victory over Romney, hoping instead that some other candidate can prevent the former Massachusetts governor from wrapping the race up before the Republican National Convention, which is set for Tampa, Fla., in late August.

“We have never gone through a delegate fight like this,” said Bob Vander Plaats, an influential conservative and the head of the Iowa-based Family Leader organization. “You need around 600 delegates to win, and I think that will be very difficult for Gov. Romney.”

Vander Plaats added that the reason Gingrich has been emphasizing that there are 46 states to go in the contest is because “he can do the math”.

Similar themes are sounded by prominent conservatives in the media. Erick Erickson of Red State wrote Thursday that the fact that many states award their delegates proportionally, rather than on a winner-take-all basis, could play to Gingrich’s advantage.

“If Gingrich is serious about staying in till the convention, he could deny Romney a first ballot win and spare the base from the man they don’t like, even if Newt himself cannot get the nomination. He is more of a long shot today than he was a day before Florida, but he can still be the nominee,” Erickson wrote.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bobvanderplaats; delegates; dothemath; electoralmath; gingrich; math; newt; newtgingrich; plaats; vanderplaats
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To: Clintonfatigued

Don’t support Newt. He would lose big among women voters.


51 posted on 02/04/2012 8:21:31 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: lwoodham
One way to look at this...do we want Obama for four more years and teach the GOP elites that the voters matter, or do we want Romney for 8 years. We are F’ed either way.

As Yogi Berra would have put it, this seems like Déjà vu all over again.

In 1986, California's über-liberal Democratic Senator Alan Cranston seemed vulnerable. But of the 12 or so Republican candidates, 11 were conservative, and only one, Rep. Ed Zschau, was liberal. Although conservatives dominated the California GOP at the time, the 11 conservatives split up the vote, and Zschau (as in Mao) won with about a third of the votes. Because there was no runoff, Zschau got the nomination.

This placed conservatives in a dilemma. Much as they hated Cranston, Zschau's voting record was very similar--for one thing, he was pro-abortion and rabidly anti-military. Another factor was that Cranston, due to his age, would likely serve only one more term, whereas Zschau, being young, would likely become a liberal fixture in the Senate--like Clifford Case (R-NJ) or Jake "the snake" Javits (R-NY)--and being a Republican, he would face no serious GOP challenger. We conservatives found ourselves screwed either way. I wound up voting third party, and a friend whose views are to the right of my own voted for Cranston.

In the end, Cranston narrowly won.

52 posted on 02/04/2012 8:26:39 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: Clintonfatigued

The only way to stop Romney is for Santorum to drop out, endorse Newt, and get the VP nod in exchange. Additionally, massive amounts of money needs to flow into his campaign.


53 posted on 02/04/2012 8:33:52 PM PST by MattinNJ (I will not vote for Romney)
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To: Regulator

“Just think. The first American presidential race in history where neither candidate is a Christian.”
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If it’s Romney against Obama it will be and the media will inform us that a poll has been taken and only thirteen percent correctly answered that BOTH Obama and Romney are Christians. At the same time they will tell us that unemployment is down to six percent and pink Unicorns are almost as plentiful as pink plastic Flamingos.


54 posted on 02/04/2012 8:44:11 PM PST by RipSawyer
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To: Fiji Hill

Barbara Boxer and Diane Feinstein thank you. You should add that Republicans have never stood a better chance in California since. About 26 years ago. Hey lets do this on a national level, that way we can also lose them all for a quarter of a century. It seems we are determined to bite off our nose in order to spite our face. I have a better idea, why don’t we just win this November with whoever wins the nomination and then take it from there.


55 posted on 02/04/2012 8:59:30 PM PST by gusty
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To: Regulator

Just think. The first American presidential race in history where neither candidate is a Christian.

Just think,(first time also),that we have a man whose running that thinks he is going to become a god vs. a man who thinks he is a god. Dear God help us.


56 posted on 02/04/2012 9:06:07 PM PST by make no mistake
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To: Fiji Hill

WE FELL FOR THAT LAST TIME!!!!! Sarah is the ONLY reason we
accepted McCain, NOT THIS TIME I DO NOT CARE WHO IS ON THE
TICKET,!!!!! FOOL ME ONCE AND ONCE ONLY!!!!!!!


57 posted on 02/04/2012 9:27:50 PM PST by Kit cat (OBummer must go)
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To: Paleo Conservative

I am a woman and Romney makes my skin crawl, he is a sleazy car
salesman PLAIN AND SIMPLE!!!! I am not that crazy about Newt
but I lived through the media destruction of Newt. GO NEWT!!!!!!


58 posted on 02/04/2012 9:35:11 PM PST by Kit cat (OBummer must go)
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To: Sola Veritas

Not even if Sarah Palin was his VP? Hmmmm That’s the kind of logic that got us Obama in the first place. The kind of logic that had my Precinct Committee Officer Write-In his own name on the 2008 ballot.


59 posted on 02/04/2012 9:41:02 PM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: Right_in_Virginia

RP will get my vote in VA.


60 posted on 02/04/2012 9:45:52 PM PST by gathersnomoss
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To: WILLIALAL

“they will have to forgo the strong desire to win national elections for awhile.”

As long as the establishment is setting the agenda and essentially controlling the GOP, the conservatives really are not winning anything. Nominating a Democrat like Romney is a good example of that- a Northeastern gungrabbing liberal who took the first steps towards socialized medicine shouldn’t even be considered as a Republican dogcatcher. And yet, that’s what they are doing. I wouldn’t think at this point its a matter of wanting to- its a matter of having to. The lengths to which the elites are going to select their candidate are proof that they only want conservative votes, and their candidate’s track record proves they don’t want conservative policy. With allies like that, who needs enemies?


61 posted on 02/04/2012 9:47:57 PM PST by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: gusty
Barbara Boxer and Diane (sic) Feinstein thank you. You should add that Republicans have never stood a better chance in California since. About 26 years ago. Hey lets do this on a national level, that way we can also lose them all for a quarter of a century. It seems we are determined to bite off our nose in order to spite our face. I have a better idea, why don’t we just win this November with whoever wins the nomination and then take it from there.

You had better get your facts straight.

First of all, my post was about the 1986 race. Barbara Boxer ran in 1992, narrowly beating Bruce Herschensohn, a solid conservative for whom I worked my heart out. Herschensohn would probably have won if President Bush hadn't abandoned California during his re-election campaign.

And why should Dianne Feinstein thank me? After all, I did vote for her opponent, the Republican incumbent John Seymour (pronounced "see more," as in "see more taxes"), whom Pete Wilson appointed to fill his old Senate seat when he was elected governor, even though Seymour was a pro-abortion in-your-face liberal.

62 posted on 02/04/2012 9:50:06 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: Paleo Conservative

Don’t support Newt. He would lose big among women voters.
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Newt has no problem with women having equal rights..

The one with the baggage as far as women go is Romney

That women are 2nd class citizens owned by their husbands wont win him a lot of votes...


63 posted on 02/04/2012 10:05:58 PM PST by Tennessee Nana (Romney I like firing people......and I’m not concerned about the very poor.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

“We have never gone through a delegate fight like this”

Yes because usually the conservatives let the establishment jam some moderate down our throats. This year we are a little peeved about it.


64 posted on 02/04/2012 10:11:11 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: seekthetruth

Write ins do not count in Virginia.


65 posted on 02/04/2012 10:13:48 PM PST by Ingtar (I never thought I would come to say it, but "Go Newt!" Our last, best chance.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

I’ll vote constitution party, if Romney is the GOP candidate.

I’m AM going to vote for an alternative. I will not vote for either of the two Alinsky disciples, Obama and Romney.


66 posted on 02/04/2012 10:28:26 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: Venturer
Mitt Romney will not win.

Damn right he won't.

Before this is over, he'll wish he was a dog strapped to the roof of a car.

67 posted on 02/04/2012 10:34:46 PM PST by Rome2000 (MYTH ROMNEY IS A MORMON MELCHIDEZEK HIGH PRIEST AND RICK SANTORUM IS A DICK)
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To: WILLIALAL
No matter how strong the Tea Party thinks they are, they are not, at this time, strong enough to take over the party and force it to change directions.

That's because it is not really a political party but a disorganized group of pissed off REAL AMERICANS.

If the mormon bishop and the RNC elite succeed in buying the GOP nomination, then the Tea Party fields a candidate for POTUS, and becomes a real political party dedicated to the destruction of the Washingtonians.

68 posted on 02/04/2012 10:47:33 PM PST by Rome2000 (MYTH ROMNEY IS A MORMON MELCHIDEZEK HIGH PRIEST AND RICK SANTORUM IS A DICK)
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To: lwoodham
do we want Obama for four more years and teach the GOP elites that the voters matter, or do we want Romney for 8 years.

I'm for letting the communists own the collapse.

Putting the blue blood country clubbers in for another 8 years is just putting off the inevitable.

Time coming soon to hit the reset button on this Republic and wipe the slate clean, and that means taking out the Washingtonians from both parties.

Used to think that if DC were nuked by the muzzies, it would be a crippling blow.

Sick thing is that it would probably be the best thing ever to happen to the American citizen.

69 posted on 02/04/2012 10:54:18 PM PST by Rome2000 (MYTH ROMNEY IS A MORMON MELCHIDEZEK HIGH PRIEST AND RICK SANTORUM IS A DICK)
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To: Rome2000
I'm for letting the communists own the collapse.

After the US goes the way of the USSR.

70 posted on 02/04/2012 10:57:24 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: CommerceComet
What is the distinction between a Rockefeller Republican and Obama lite? Seems to me to be one and the same.

You obviously haven't the slightest idea what Obama is.

71 posted on 02/04/2012 11:00:24 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: Clintonfatigued

I think Reagan lost the first five primaries, but Rick and Newt each won a contest, so the race is very wide open.


72 posted on 02/04/2012 11:26:47 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Regulator

In this, you are mistaken.


73 posted on 02/04/2012 11:57:43 PM PST by dixjea
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
One possibility is support the Republican candidate whomever he is solely to vote “The Divine One” out of office.

Nope. Not going to do it again.

BTW. The collapse is coming. If Willard somehow wins the presidential election he will continue the same ridiculous spending and it will happen on the Republican's watch.

74 posted on 02/05/2012 12:18:50 AM PST by vlad335
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To: ExTexasRedhead

My wife has a friend who belongs to the LDS Church. her friend told her that she had many misgivings about Romney and that this has togo to the RNC if need be..


75 posted on 02/05/2012 12:25:48 AM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Right_in_Virginia
I will vote for Paul on “Super Tuesday” in Virginia to let the establishment know I am one voter not happy with Romney as our nominee.

I do hope others in Virginia will join me in sending this message.


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With the understanding that Newt and Santorum were refused participation.

I agree with your message, and suggested the same a few weeks back.

76 posted on 02/05/2012 12:27:52 AM PST by Gene Eric (C'mon, Virginia -- are you with us or against us?!)
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To: seekthetruth

My understanding in Tennessee that write-ins are allowed but they have to be registered.

Write-ins are not allowed in VA that I’m aware of.


77 posted on 02/05/2012 2:03:13 AM PST by PowerPro (Renew - Revive - Restore * Gingrich/Palin 2012 *)
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To: seekthetruth

“Are “write-in” votes counted in Virginia?”

No. Not in the primary. While the law doesn’t specifically prohibit the GOP from counting write-ins, they’re not required to either. This is the same group who decided to drop Gingrich and Perry from the ballot, so I wouldn’t plan on them opting to count write-ins.


78 posted on 02/05/2012 4:17:24 AM PST by RKBA Democrat (Rand Paul for President 2016 (FR still rocks!!))
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To: seekthetruth

I just did a search. There is a petition out for write-in votes


79 posted on 02/05/2012 4:48:06 AM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: seekthetruth

I just did a search. There is a petition out in Virginia for write-in votes


80 posted on 02/05/2012 4:48:32 AM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Library Lady
If Romney is the Republican candidate, I will stay home on election day. There is no difference between him and Obama.

Don't stay home. If you want to leave the selection for president blank, that is your privilege. However think about that we must not just take the Senate back, and not just by a majority, but the Super majority, plus adding more seats to the House. Think about what we can do

81 posted on 02/05/2012 4:57:04 AM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Gene Eric; Right_in_Virginia

Fascinating strategy...

Since conservatives are unable to coalesce around a single candidate, why noy just vote for Gingrich, Paul or Santorum (take your pick) for the purpose of denying Romney the needed number of delegates heading in to Tampa?

Staying home won’t solve the problem, neither will it prevent Romney from steamrolling to the nomination. However, VOTING AGAINST HIM will atleast improve our chances of forcing a floor-fight at the convention.

What say you?


82 posted on 02/05/2012 4:58:44 AM PST by TheRobb7 (OBAMA 2012: NO TAX LEFT BEHIND)
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To: Sun

I think it’s ridiculous to ask for Santorum to drop out. We still have a long way to go.


83 posted on 02/05/2012 5:00:57 AM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: PowerPro

You have to be registered to vote in TN period. I did one time a write-in vote for a candidate for a local office and I registered in Tennessee as Republican in 1979


84 posted on 02/05/2012 5:08:18 AM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
The party is much more than splintered already, it is almost balkanized.

Amen, that is where the last election left us.

85 posted on 02/05/2012 5:21:47 AM PST by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: RKBA Democrat

What you think is possible and having Rick Sanotrumon the ticket could persuade some Freepers to reluctantly vote for Romney.


86 posted on 02/05/2012 8:39:34 AM PST by Clintonfatigued (A chameleon belongs in a pet store, not the White House)
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To: ExTexasRedhead; LadyLiberty

I’m of the opinion that we need to deny Romney a majority of delegates before the convention. If the convention deadlocks, someone else will have to be chosen. Newt Gingrich can’t do this alone, but if he, Santorum, and others can garner enough delegates to deny Romney a majority, we can shape things in our direction.


87 posted on 02/05/2012 8:57:16 AM PST by Clintonfatigued (A chameleon belongs in a pet store, not the White House)
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To: gogogodzilla
"The makers of our constitution undertook to secure conditions favorable to the pursuit of happiness... They sought to protect Americans in their beliefs, their thoughts, their emotions and their sensations. They conferred, as against the government, the right to be let alone -- the most comprehensive of the rights and the right most valued by civilized men."

Justice Louis Brandeis, Olmstead v US, 1928.

88 posted on 02/05/2012 9:30:06 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: gogogodzilla

Excellent post.


89 posted on 02/05/2012 10:31:11 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: TheRobb7

Regarding VA, some display of contempt for excluding Newt and Rick by voting for Paul would send a good message.


90 posted on 02/05/2012 10:49:52 AM PST by Gene Eric (C'mon, Virginia -- are you with us or against us?!)
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To: Kaslin

You have a great point there. Being a no-show would not be good, and we need to make some local changes, too.


91 posted on 02/05/2012 11:23:31 AM PST by Library Lady
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To: Library Lady

No it would not and if everyone would think like that, not only would that arrogant, lazy lying pos occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave get reelected, the rats the House back and increase their majority in the Senat


92 posted on 02/05/2012 11:57:36 AM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

Senate


93 posted on 02/05/2012 11:58:36 AM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

I don’t think Romney would be a bit better than what we already have, but changes in Congress could make a world of difference.


94 posted on 02/05/2012 12:36:01 PM PST by Library Lady
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To: TheRobb7
Since conservatives are unable to coalesce around a single candidate, why noy just vote for Gingrich, Paul or Santorum (take your pick) for the purpose of denying Romney the needed number of delegates heading in to Tampa?

Because only Romney and Paul are on the primary ballot in Virginia. Hence, the vote for Paul.

95 posted on 02/05/2012 12:44:00 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Sola Veritas
I WILL NOT vote for Romney even if Palin was his veep.

Ditto. The VP does NOT change the fact that Slick Willie Romnuts is still pro-sodomite and pro-death. No vote for Romney under my roof...death before dishonor.

96 posted on 02/05/2012 12:53:14 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: cynwoody
You obviously haven't the slightest idea what Obama is.

I guess you'll have to educate me. On what issue would Mitt Romney adopt a position that is substantially different than Obama? As governor, Mitt Romney was a liberal governor, in other words, a Rockefeller Republican. Rockefeller Republicans occupy the liberal end of the spectrum, not the moderate portion.

97 posted on 02/05/2012 1:34:29 PM PST by CommerceComet (If Mitt can leave the GOP to protest Reagan, why can't I do the same in protest of Romney?)
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To: Kaslin

Great! Get back to me if you find out more about the petition. Perhaps a link I can ping VA Freepers to. In TN they can write in and the votes are counted.


98 posted on 02/05/2012 2:08:42 PM PST by seekthetruth (I want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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To: seekthetruth

In Tennessee they are and some other states also

Not so. In Tennessee a candidate must be pre qualified to be eligible for write in, in the primary. In the general election , you may vote for Mickey Mouse if you like


99 posted on 02/05/2012 2:48:27 PM PST by Figment
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To: seekthetruth

I don’t know why Newt would not be on the ballot in some counties. In Tennessee one must be pre qualified to be written in ,in the primary. Newt meets that requirement as far as I know


100 posted on 02/05/2012 2:52:42 PM PST by Figment
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