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Ron Paul Tells CNN’s Piers Morgan Only “Honest Rape” Warrants An Abortion. (Honest Rape?)
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Posted on 02/05/2012 6:59:20 PM PST by mnehring

Edited on 02/05/2012 7:06:55 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

During an appearance on CNN’s Piers Morgan, GOP presidential hopeful Ron Paul was asked whether as a man with daughters and granddaughters, Rep. Paul (R-TX) thinks that abortion is warranted if a woman has been impregnated by a rapist.

“If it’s an honest rape,” Paul replied, “that individual should go immediately to the emergency room, I would give them a shot of estrogen.” He claimed, however, that if a woman is “seven months pregnant” and says that she was raped, “It’s a little bit of a different story.” Source


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KEYWORDS: abortion; moralabsolutes; prolife; rape; rino; ronpaul
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To: mnehring

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101 posted on 02/05/2012 8:59:02 PM PST by Huntress ("Politicians exploit economic illiteracy." --Walter Williams)
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To: Charlespg

abort


102 posted on 02/05/2012 9:00:09 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is not just brewing, rebellion is here!!)
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To: jonno

It is an assumption based on ignorance that women who are victims of rape automatically want to abort - should they conceive.

“Want” doesn’t really come into it. If abortion is outlawed, the exception will be there. I don’t believe there is a sitting G.O.P. congress-critter that would support a no-exception ban on abortion....but I admittedly don’t know everyone of their feelings on the issue.


103 posted on 02/05/2012 9:00:16 PM PST by Grunthor (Mitt Romney and anyone supporting him can go fornicate themselves with a cactus)
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To: mnehring

Honest rape to me would be one reports to the police immediately after it happened not something someone dreamed up 2 months afterwards to get an abortion....


104 posted on 02/05/2012 9:17:54 PM PST by chris_bdba
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To: mnehring

There are rules and ratings for rape, now? Are there officials and a hall of fame? So if your rape doesn’t hold up to the parameters for honest rape, what happens to you? Five yard penalty? Penalty box minutes? Draw a card from Community Chest?


105 posted on 02/05/2012 9:52:58 PM PST by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine.)
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To: Grunthor

You may be right. But, that only makes the majority of American voters wrong. The U.S. Supreme Court has said that the rapist cannot be given the death penalty. Yet, an innocent unborn child that was conceived in rape can be executed? That’s insanity! Furthermore, it’s not pro-life.


106 posted on 02/05/2012 9:53:44 PM PST by Catholic Iowan
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To: altura

So, you are pro-abortion, depending on the circumstances? In some situations, you believe it is ok to kill an innocent unborn child?


107 posted on 02/05/2012 9:55:30 PM PST by Catholic Iowan
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To: mnehring

http://www.equalprotectionforposterity.com/index.html


108 posted on 02/05/2012 9:57:13 PM PST by EternalVigilance (The GOP: Hurtling down the road to join the Whigs, a hundred miles an hour on the Romney Express!)
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To: mnehring

actually I understand what he meant

some “sex in progress” rape laws are crazy

as is the claim that if only rape and incest or LIFE of mother were allowed

then a lot of women would claim rape or uncle..if it suited them

i am sure no Paul fan but if this is what he meant...I get it


109 posted on 02/05/2012 9:58:51 PM PST by wardaddy (I am a social conservative. My political party left me(again). They can go to hell in a bucket.)
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To: Catholic Iowan; altura

Is it better or worse than enslaving a rape victim?


110 posted on 02/05/2012 10:30:59 PM PST by Grunthor (Mitt Romney and anyone supporting him can go fornicate themselves with a cactus)
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To: mnehring

It’s clear from the whole paragraph in the article (which you could have posted) what he meant - that if the allegation is credible, he would conduct an abortion. If it is not credible - the example he gives is a woman coming in 7 months pregnant and claiming she was raped - then he wouldn’t. This is just a fluff story for the Ron Paul haters out there.


111 posted on 02/05/2012 10:37:07 PM PST by billybudd
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To: Grunthor
It's better than enslaving her with the knowledge she murdered her own child.

Nine months vs. eternity...

112 posted on 02/05/2012 10:38:27 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass
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To: mnehring

First choice Obama,(D) -baby killer?

Second choice Romney,(R) -baby killer?

Third choice Paul,(I) -baby killer?

Sadly, doesn’t look good for children.

Santorum and Gingrich!!! Our only hope!?

Go Rick!!!! and Go Newt!!!


113 posted on 02/05/2012 10:59:53 PM PST by FishinTX (Annoy liberals, VOTE NEWT.)
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To: mnehring

Is it Whoopie Goldberg’s ‘rape-rape’?:)


114 posted on 02/05/2012 11:20:20 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: mnehring

Since there is no statute of limitation on the crime of murder, would all of you be willing to prosecute those women in your family who received abortions? Have you ever accused said family members of being murderesses? I know a devout Catholic woman who, in a discussion, related that her younger sister had an abortion when she was much younger. It came as a surprise to me. I asked her, point blank, do you consider her a murderer? She looked at me and said, “ I never thought about it.” It was shortly thereafter that I was not welcome in her house.


115 posted on 02/05/2012 11:21:10 PM PST by Misterioso
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To: The_Reader_David
The "perfect" would be, of course, a demonstration that a rape happened and that we had the rapist in hand.

At the same time we could have error ~ after all, we are going to execute the rapist so we certainly don't want to get the wrong guy.

We already have very high standards when it comes to capital crimes. So, let's say "they" (Officialdom or whoever) goes ahead and kills the baby ~ and ends up not able to prove that a rape occurred, or that the accused rapist is the real rapist.

We turn the guy loose, and he moves back in with the woman.

I doubt we want a system like that which rewards duplicity.

Only way around the problem as I see it is that we have to let the rape case play out to the fullest even if it goes beyond 9 months ~ and simply forestall abortion until that rape case is finished.

At that point we might substitute infanticide for abortion to get the same result ~ that is ~ no baby.

I am sure there are those who would love that ~ most likely the people who demand the continued high maintenance of the most exacting standards in capital cases.

The conclusion is that with abortion prohibited EXCEPT FOR the rules for EXCEPT FOR will need to avoid tracking down people in their 40s to kill them because some TV show did a "cold case", and we will also need to avoid letting the anti-execution people get involved.

Maybe we could disenfranchise them entirely. Remember, the EXCEPTION is saying that rape is a serious enough crime that we can execute the baby, and that right there certainly justifies, at a minimum, the execution of the rapist, even more so if we begin engaging in legal post partem abortions!

116 posted on 02/06/2012 4:47:37 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Catholic Iowan

For a good debate you have to assume the USSC can be somehow kept out of the picture ~


117 posted on 02/06/2012 4:50:29 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: John Valentine

Sharia allows the child to be born, and then, at weening, the woman is taken out and killed.


118 posted on 02/06/2012 4:54:54 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: John Valentine

Unless she has four witnesses to the rape.


119 posted on 02/06/2012 4:56:25 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Huntress; svcw

Paul and “Paulter” ~


120 posted on 02/06/2012 4:58:23 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Cicero
South Dakota woman raped as a teen reunited with long lost daughter after 77 years

Turns out one of her grandchildren is Astronaut Mark Lee.
121 posted on 02/06/2012 4:58:46 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia (Be careful of believing something just because you want it to be true.)
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To: mnehring
“If it’s an honest rape,” Paul replied, “that individual should go immediately to the emergency room, I would give them a shot of estrogen.” He claimed, however, that if a woman is “seven months pregnant” and says that she was raped, “It’s a little bit of a different story

I presume she'll go before the new "Honest Rape Determination" panels to be installed at all hospitals. And Paul's more than a bit unclear about that timeframe between Day one and month 7. Not to suggest he's pandering, of course. We all know he's rabidly pro-life.

122 posted on 02/06/2012 5:22:07 AM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do !)
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To: Grunthor
It’s obvious what he mean’t. I can understand taking offense because well, it’s Wrong Paul....but I believe that the majority of American voters would agree with his sentiment.

Yes, in the absense of "Honest Rape" panels, abortion on demand is fine anyone willing to tell an MD or nurse she was raped. For somewhere between one day and seven months. Whether a majority of voters would agree would depend on where you put that outlying date, if first trimester or viability, you're probably right. And that's who Paul is appealing to, in a way that he or his supporters can describe him as pro-life. As always he's on both sides of the issue.

123 posted on 02/06/2012 5:30:19 AM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do !)
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To: CitizenUSA; muawiyah
muawiyah: “You can treat these as rhetorical questions, but I’d think you’d have to agree that the “rape exception” is a rather difficult exception to administer.”...Yes. I agree a “rape exception” is a difficult exception to administer. However, if that’s what it took to actually eliminate the other 99.9% of abortions, then that’s an exception I’d embrace. We could easily get a political majority to support restrictions on abortion in all but extreme cases, like rape and incest. I would not delay saving the 99.9% in order to save the 0.1%.

It's impossible to administer. Presuming you've got the perp identified, it's done in a court of law. He's not going to admit to rape so his victim can have an abortion, so you're dealing with a process longer than pregnancy. In the case of incest you've got the minor. But not all rapes are physically violent to the extent you've got overwhelming evidence of an assult. The essential evidence the medical community would have available isn't much different than for consensual sex. To deny any abortion the medical community would have to prove the woman a liar. I'm guessing planned parenthood wouldn't do that very often.

What Paul is proposing is essentially abortion on demand, up to some undetermined point. But with a wink of the eye like most of his policies. This simply isn't a pro-life position.

124 posted on 02/06/2012 5:57:07 AM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do !)
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To: SJackson
At the same time I am convinced Dr. Paul would think highly of the idea of executing rapists anyway.

Maybe his place is on the USSC for 3 to 5 years eh~

125 posted on 02/06/2012 6:02:14 AM PST by muawiyah
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126 posted on 02/06/2012 6:03:20 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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127 posted on 02/06/2012 6:04:20 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: muawiyah

Let him practice as a Judge in Texas for a few years first.


128 posted on 02/06/2012 6:05:27 AM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do !)
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To: SJackson

When I’m arguing with a pro-abort, I choose the opposite tactic -

for every fringe case they bring up, I’ll rhetorically “allow” that exception,

leaving my “opponent” arguing for abortion on demand for convenience, and then I’ll make them defend that position.

If they’re the typical sheeperal who wants to think of themselves as a good person, instead of a radical feminist with a seared conscience, they are ashamed (but don’t change their mind - I’m just planting seeds).


129 posted on 02/06/2012 6:08:50 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: SJackson
Dude's in his 70s. I'd stick him on the USSC right off the bat. Let him get a full whiff of it.

He'll be out of there soon enough.

130 posted on 02/06/2012 6:13:49 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: SJackson; CitizenUSA; muawiyah; Dr. Brian Kopp; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; ...
What Paul is proposing is essentially abortion on demand, up to some undetermined point. But with a wink of the eye like most of his policies. This simply isn't a pro-life position.

You nailed it right there.

Paul claims to be pro-life, but his position has ALWAYS been to allow abortion. He is no different than every Democrat who says, "I'm personally pro-life, but..."

131 posted on 02/06/2012 6:20:00 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: muawiyah
At the same time I am convinced Dr. Paul would think highly of the idea of executing rapists anyway.

Paul opposes the death penalty.

132 posted on 02/06/2012 6:20:53 AM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring

You don’t think that maybe sometimes women aren’t honest about claims of rape?


133 posted on 02/06/2012 6:23:26 AM PST by Tribune7 (GAS WAS $1.85 per gallon on the day Obama was Inaugurated! - - freeper Gaffer)
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To: Misterioso
Ex post facto would prevent retroactive prosecutions.

Why would I hold family members to a different standard than anyone else? Would you?

What an inane post.

134 posted on 02/06/2012 6:24:29 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Misterioso; mnehring; Dr. Brian Kopp; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; ...
It figures you'd be one this thread supporting abortion.

Are you going to tell us that it's "slavery" to not allow a woman to murder babies? That IS your position right?:

Forcing a woman to bear an unwanted fetus is slavery and the government is the slave master.

135 posted on 02/06/2012 6:29:23 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: muawiyah
Unless she has four witnesses to the rape.

Don't forget that those have to be MALE witnesses of good character. They must also be witnesses that can attest to witnessing the act of penetration, but must they not have participated in the rape themselves.

136 posted on 02/06/2012 6:32:38 AM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: wagglebee; Misterioso
Wow.

And I'm quite sure the incident related in post 115 is completely made up.

In other words, a lie.

137 posted on 02/06/2012 6:34:47 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Trailerpark Badass; Misterioso; Dr. Brian Kopp; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; ...
In the interest of full disclosure, it should be noted that Misterioso also believes that it's "moral" to kill "deficient" children after they've been born:

Hundreds of years ago deficient babies were terminated right and left. If it was moral then, what has changed?

138 posted on 02/06/2012 6:48:46 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Misterioso; wagglebee; narses; Salvation; Dr. Brian Kopp
Since there is no statute of limitation on the crime of murder, would all of you be willing to prosecute those women in your family who received abortions? Have you ever accused said family members of being murderesses? I know a devout Catholic woman who, in a discussion, related that her younger sister had an abortion when she was much younger. It came as a surprise to me. I asked her, point blank, do you consider her a murderer? She looked at me and said, “ I never thought about it.” It was shortly thereafter that I was not welcome in her house.

Let me answer your question directly. Every abortion is a homicide. There is possible discussion afterwards about the type of homicide, but it is a homicide.

There is no capital punishment that should take place without charges and trial. An aborted human being has had no trial and has not been charged.

Finally, even in extreme cases there is nothing that prevents an attempt to SAVE the life of the baby in utero rather than ripping it limb from limb. Who knows what processes could be developed if it became a priority to save rather than to kill?

139 posted on 02/06/2012 6:55:43 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: strider44
You can be pro life and still understand a woman not wanting to carry a child conceived through a violent rape.

I can understand a woman not wanting to carry a child for a number of reasons, none of which make abortion right.
140 posted on 02/06/2012 7:01:25 AM PST by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Finally someone admits that they WOULD enslave/imprison a woman for the crime of having been raped.


141 posted on 02/06/2012 7:10:22 AM PST by Grunthor (Mitt Romney and anyone supporting him can go fornicate themselves with a cactus)
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To: Grunthor
Finally someone admits that they WOULD enslave/imprison a woman for the crime of having been raped.

You bet your sweet ass. And after 9 months, instead of being a murderess, the woman would know she has let God work through her, and that no matter how difficult those months were, she has let life and love come from pain. She chose the difficult, but ultimately rewarding path and did not succumb to the evil allure of convenience.

You argue like a teenager.

142 posted on 02/06/2012 7:16:28 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass
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To: SJackson

So you need to know who the criminal IS prior to knowing if there was a crime comitted? Have you EVER worked in Law Enforcement?


143 posted on 02/06/2012 7:16:50 AM PST by Grunthor (Mitt Romney and anyone supporting him can go fornicate themselves with a cactus)
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To: wagglebee
You're ruining the conversation. Can't we have an honest political discussion?

Some of the posts on this threading are astounding.

144 posted on 02/06/2012 7:22:39 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

“You bet your sweet ass.”

You argue like a teenager.

“And after 9 months, instead of being a murderess,”

So rape victims who take a “Morning after pill” in the ER once a rape has been medically confirmed belongs in prison for the rest of their days. Okay......

“the woman would know she has let God work through her,”

What if she is an atheist? What if she believes, but not in your God? Doesn’t matter to you does it?

“She chose the difficult, but ultimately rewarding path and did not succumb to the evil allure of convenience.”

The rape victim that you would imprison for the crime of having been raped, “CHOSE?” Really?

“You argue like a teenager.”

It’s cute that you think this rises to the level of an argument.


145 posted on 02/06/2012 7:30:20 AM PST by Grunthor (Mitt Romney and anyone supporting him can go fornicate themselves with a cactus)
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To: Grunthor
What if she is an atheist? What if she believes, but not in your God? Doesn’t matter to you does it?

No, it doesn't because my views on the right to life were formed when I was a libertarian, and stand up to logical scrutiny even without any strictly theological underpinning.

The rape victim that you would imprison for the crime of having been raped, “CHOSE?” Really?

I thought "imprison" was your silly trope.

I would simply make abortion illegal in any circumstance; what any woman chose to do then would be her responsibility.

It’s cute that you think this rises to the level of an argument.

You're right, I 've heard no argument from you, just emoting.

146 posted on 02/06/2012 7:38:49 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Trailerpark Badass

The rape victim that you would imprison for the crime of having been raped, “CHOSE?” Really?

I thought “imprison” was your silly trope.


Post 141.....you’re not even making this hard to do.


147 posted on 02/06/2012 7:52:34 AM PST by Grunthor (Mitt Romney and anyone supporting him can go fornicate themselves with a cactus)
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To: Grunthor
Finally someone admits that they WOULD enslave/imprison a woman for the crime of having been raped.

*****************************

I haven't seen any post on this thread suggesting that a woman should be enslaved or imprisoned for having been raped.

Killing a baby is something else entirely.

148 posted on 02/06/2012 7:56:14 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

“I haven’t seen any post on this thread suggesting that a woman should be enslaved or imprisoned for having been raped.”

ping to 112 and 142.


149 posted on 02/06/2012 8:00:16 AM PST by Grunthor (Mitt Romney and anyone supporting him can go fornicate themselves with a cactus)
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To: Grunthor
Post 141.....you’re not even making this hard to do.

Do what?

Do you know what trope means?

If you mean literally imprison a rape victim, of course not. Why would I?

150 posted on 02/06/2012 8:02:18 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass
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