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Ron Paul Tells CNN’s Piers Morgan Only “Honest Rape” Warrants An Abortion. (Honest Rape?)
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Posted on 02/05/2012 6:59:20 PM PST by mnehring

Edited on 02/05/2012 7:06:55 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

During an appearance on CNN’s Piers Morgan, GOP presidential hopeful Ron Paul was asked whether as a man with daughters and granddaughters, Rep. Paul (R-TX) thinks that abortion is warranted if a woman has been impregnated by a rapist.

“If it’s an honest rape,” Paul replied, “that individual should go immediately to the emergency room, I would give them a shot of estrogen.” He claimed, however, that if a woman is “seven months pregnant” and says that she was raped, “It’s a little bit of a different story.” Source


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: abortion; moralabsolutes; prolife; rape; rino; ronpaul
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To: Grunthor; wagglebee

I oppose (almost all) abortion because the fertilized egg could become a person. At which stage of pregnancy that takes place is beyond me but this is why I support the morning after pill in the scenario which I described in my last post.

My 6 week old son showed a heart beat at 9 weeks of pregnancy on ultrasound. I would not consider abortion for any reason that late in pregnancy. On those pics the boy clearly had humanoid features and a heartbeat. And abortion of any kind at that point or later is clearly murder.

181 posted on February 6, 2012 12:41:49 PM EST by Grunthor (Mitt Romney and anyone supporting him can go fornicate themselves with a cactus)
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201 posted on 02/06/2012 10:40:28 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: wagglebee; Quix

He is an evil man.


202 posted on 02/06/2012 10:41:58 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Grunthor
I quoted it in my response to you.

The phrase, "At which stage of pregnancy that takes place is beyond me," is essentially the same as "above my paygrade."

203 posted on 02/06/2012 10:42:10 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Grunthor

But it could still be rape. I agree, which is why the Paul proposal is specious. A state barring abortion other than rape or life of the mother or even incret would face problems determining these things, not worth getting into here.


204 posted on 02/06/2012 10:54:58 AM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do !)
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To: All

The Constitution imperatively requires the equal protection of the right to life of every person.

It was exceptions - ie the destruction of the fundamental principle of equal protection - that opened the door to abortion on demand.

And it is exceptions that keep abortion on demand going.


205 posted on 02/06/2012 10:58:49 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Ronald Reagan never left the Republican Party. But the Republican Party has left Reaganism.)
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To: trisham

Perhaps Peter Singer.

Though I thought his name was longer and had some ch in it.

There have been more than one spouting such demonic genocidal hideousness.


206 posted on 02/06/2012 11:17:36 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: xzins

Yeah,

welll . . .

some of us were cut out, like Macbeth.


207 posted on 02/06/2012 11:19:02 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: wagglebee

Interesting.

Thanks.


208 posted on 02/06/2012 11:20:10 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: trisham

INDEED.

Evil to the core.

And either exalting in it or in gross denial of it.


209 posted on 02/06/2012 11:24:55 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

He was born in Australia.


210 posted on 02/06/2012 11:31:13 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Grunthor

It’s a BABY, not a seed!


211 posted on 02/06/2012 11:47:21 AM PST by Catholic Iowan
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To: Grunthor

“fertilized egg could become a person”

Are you joking??? A fertilized egg IS a person. Taking a simple high school biology class could teach you that.


212 posted on 02/06/2012 12:03:58 PM PST by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: trisham

I’ve worked around Aussies . . . easy to love.

However . . . is it my imagination or

is it more or less true

that Australia

seems to be much more or significantly more

of a hotbed of

hedonism, self-centered-ism, lawlessness—do one’s own thing and to blazes with the details etc. ???

Though I think the USA is about as bad on such scores as can be.


213 posted on 02/06/2012 12:08:50 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

Pushed out or cut out, you were delivered out into the arms of yo momma! :>)


214 posted on 02/06/2012 12:10:07 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: Quix

I’ve never spent any time around Australians, but it does seem to be a unique country.


215 posted on 02/06/2012 12:42:46 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Grunthor

Do you support killing the innocent pre-born baby?


216 posted on 02/06/2012 1:53:17 PM PST by DNA.2012
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To: no dems

A husband prays for a healthy baby.

A wife prays that the baby is the same race as her husband and kind of looks like him.


217 posted on 02/06/2012 2:00:00 PM PST by DNA.2012
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To: Charlespg

Would you kill the innocent pre-born baby?


218 posted on 02/06/2012 2:06:21 PM PST by DNA.2012
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To: DNA.2012

?


219 posted on 02/06/2012 2:09:59 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Deagle

According to feminist laws currently on the books, alcohol renders a woman legally incapable of giving consent, and thus any consensual relations where the woman had alcohol first is legally defined as rape.

Feminists love to say “All men are rapists!” and they have now made that ideology law enforced at the point of a government gun.


220 posted on 02/06/2012 2:10:04 PM PST by DNA.2012
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To: Trailerpark Badass
You argue like a teenager.

That's funny.

221 posted on 02/06/2012 2:14:33 PM PST by DNA.2012
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To: Grunthor

For starters, ban the “morning after pill” and other drugs that can cause abortions.


222 posted on 02/06/2012 2:17:37 PM PST by DNA.2012
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To: lynn4303
This board use to be rich with good honest political discussion.

Great, a newbe knowing what this board USED to be like. Or are you a returning paulbot who has been zotted?
223 posted on 02/06/2012 4:17:50 PM PST by John D
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To: The_Reader_David

“I am tired of posting to this thread. Notice that I have never strongly advocated a rape exception, phrasing only tepid support for one under present circumstances.”

Welcome to the new FR. You can’t be pro-life unless you are for Federalizing an infanticide ban with no exceptions under any circumstances.

Personally, I disagree with a rape exception but in the grand schema, I’d jump at that in exchange for a ban of all other circumstances. I’d also jump at the opportunity to vacate Roe V Wade and let the states decide. I.e. the situation as it was the day before Roe V Wade. Why? Because it would save lives NOW rather than some ill defined day in the fuzzy future when we might kinda sorta get 100% of what we want.

But I guess that means I’m somehow “soft” on banning infanticide.


224 posted on 02/06/2012 4:44:32 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Rand Paul for President 2016 (FR still rocks!!))
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225 posted on 02/06/2012 5:33:57 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: billybudd

So, if Ron Paul deemed that an allegationis credible, he would perform an abortion??? Wow! Then, Ron Paul is not pro-life.


226 posted on 02/06/2012 7:44:46 PM PST by Catholic Iowan
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To: Grunthor

The woman has already been victimized once. You advocate victimizing her again? Do you know that the vast majority of women who become pregnant from an act of rape either don’t want to abort the baby, or have deep regrets if they had an abortion?

To answer your question, a dead baby is much worse.

Now, a question for you. Why do you feel an innocent unborn baby conceived in an act of rape is not worth defending? Why do you feel that they have so little worth? How is it that the U.S. Supreme Court rules that a man cannot be put to death for the crime of rape, yet you have no problem with the innocent child conceived in such an act having his/her life snuffed out?


227 posted on 02/06/2012 7:52:21 PM PST by Catholic Iowan
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To: mnehring

“Paul opposes the death penalty.”

Unless, of course, you happen to had the misfortune of being conceived in an act of rape. Then, he’d administer the shot of estrogen, that may result in aborting a newly conceived life if the ovum is fertilized by the sperm. You can’t do this, and claim to be pro-life. He’s not pro-life. To the extent you allow exceptions, you aren’t pro-life.


228 posted on 02/06/2012 8:03:11 PM PST by Catholic Iowan
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To: Catholic Iowan

So you are okay with judging another human being?

Not very Christian.


229 posted on 02/06/2012 8:19:34 PM PST by altura
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To: svcw

So you are okay with being a total idiot?

OK, got it.


230 posted on 02/06/2012 8:24:03 PM PST by altura
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To: altura

Murdering an innocent unborn child is not Christian. Period!


231 posted on 02/06/2012 8:49:31 PM PST by Catholic Iowan
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To: altura

The baby is innocent. Whether I am an idiot or not, the baby is still innocent and does not deserve death because of this situation. Sorry you feel the death sentence for the innocent is ok.


232 posted on 02/06/2012 8:53:31 PM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: Quix
Spiritual warfare is called for and essential. NOTHING ELSE stands a chance.

Well said Quix, Everyone, pay attention, look at the first line of that scripture:

We wrestle not against flesh and blood

Killing the bad guys is what Satan wants. Guns and fists won't work, Only the Word of God has power.

233 posted on 02/06/2012 10:16:04 PM PST by marbren (I do not know but, Thank God, God knows)
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To: altura
So you are okay with judging another human being? Not very Christian.

The way it works is that the Word of God rules and judges. The Word of God is the standard. Man's ideas have to be in line with THE WORD OF GOD. Abortion is murder. THOU SHALL NOT KILL

If an abortion has occurred The Lord Jesus Christ can and will forgive the sinners when they are broken in spirit. We are all poor miserable sinners in need of a savior.

aborted babies grow up in heaven BTW.

234 posted on 02/06/2012 10:29:43 PM PST by marbren (I do not know but, Thank God, God knows)
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To: marbren; Amityschild; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; GiovannaNicoletta; HossB86; jeremiah; Lera; ..

THANKS for your kind, affirming reply.

I’m not asserting that it’s never called for nor fitting for Christians to take up arms and obliterate humans in the service of satan.

Christ Himself exhorted those without a sword to buy one.

I am asserting we need to be LED OF GOD’S SPIRIT IN ALL WE DO IN THIS ERA AS NEVER BEFORE.

I am asserting that PRAYER AND FASTING WILL BE MORE POWERFUL FOR GOOD AND MORE POWERFUL BY ALL MEASURES

THAN

guns, nukes, whatever in the carnal, tangible realm.

Yes, in many . . . ?most? situations . . . satan would be more delighted with our taking things in our own hands and using weapons to fight him.

That’s at least partly because that risks taking part in HIS ANGER, HIS VENGEANCE instead of trusting God with the vengeance as God insists . . . and instead of confidently waging the MORE POWERFUL SPIRITUAL WARFARE.

I hope that’s clearer.

LUB BRO.


235 posted on 02/06/2012 10:32:16 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix
I agree Quix, Nations do go to war for God's purposes for instance. I was talking about the idea that "if we kill all the muslims everything will be OK." LOL

If you look back at my postings right after 911 I said to nuke mecca and turn it into glass and everything will be OK LOL. This is before you lead me down all those real world rabbit holes for which I am forever grateful to you Quix.

236 posted on 02/06/2012 10:40:40 PM PST by marbren (I do not know but, Thank God, God knows)
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To: Quix
Quix, Have you ever seen the movie The Matrix? I have not, is it worth watching or telling people about watching for an idea about how sheeple live? Jonathan Kleck seems to think so?
237 posted on 02/06/2012 10:46:35 PM PST by marbren (I do not know but, Thank God, God knows)
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To: marbren

PRAISE GOD FOR HIS FAITHFULNESS.

Thanks tons for your kind words.

Yeah, I’d have liked to nuke Mecca, too.

However, God has a better plan . . . whatever it is . . . by definition, it’s a better plan.

Off to bed. Falling asleep in my chair.

LUB


238 posted on 02/06/2012 11:12:23 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Catholic Iowan

“The woman has already been victimized once. You advocate victimizing her again?”

I advocate allowing the rape victim to not be forced into pregnancy. If she makes that choice on her own, that is great and wonderful.

Others would not allow the rape victim that choice and would enslave/imprison her for 9 to 10 months to ensure that the outcome that they prefer, takes place.

Now some might say, “If it’s outlawed with no exceptions then she can’t.” to which I say “really?” Isn’t rape illegal? I’m sure glad that stopped happening!/s


239 posted on 02/07/2012 6:58:44 AM PST by Grunthor (Mitt Romney and anyone supporting him can go fornicate themselves with a cactus)
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To: DNA.2012

“For starters, ban the “morning after pill” and other drugs that can cause abortions.”

Good idea. Next we can ban rape! Wait a minute.....


240 posted on 02/07/2012 7:06:46 AM PST by Grunthor (Mitt Romney and anyone supporting him can go fornicate themselves with a cactus)
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To: DNA.2012

I don’t support enslaving/incarcerating the rape victim for the crime of having been raped so that she may be blessed with the result of that rape. She just doesn’t know what she needs, right? It’s a good thing the rest of us know for her, isn’t it?

I support allowing her to make her own decision.

It takes two to three days for sperm to meet egg. She’s raped, she reports it immediately and once the rape is confirmed in the ER and is counseled takes a pill before impregnation occurs.

If you want to tell me that stopping a pregnancy BEFORE it happens in a rape victim is the murder of a baby then I have to no longer talk to you about this subject as I try not to converse with crazy people.


241 posted on 02/07/2012 7:14:13 AM PST by Grunthor (Mitt Romney and anyone supporting him can go fornicate themselves with a cactus)
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To: trisham

AN EVIL MAN, INDEED.

It is one thing to be a normal fallen man . . . desperately in need of the Lord’s Salvation.

It is quite another to be willfully given over to the arrogance and demonized possession of the evil lord and his minions.

. . . and then to exalt in such evil . . .

May The Lord God Almighty cause to speedily fall in the pits they have dug for the rest of us . . . all who willfully choose such an evil course . . . such an evil walking death.


242 posted on 02/07/2012 7:16:15 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Catholic Iowan

“Now, a question for you. Why do you feel an innocent unborn baby conceived in an act of rape is not worth defending?”

I don’t believe that a fertilized human egg is anymore a person on day one than a fertilzed chicken egg is a chicken on day one.


243 posted on 02/07/2012 7:31:57 AM PST by Grunthor (Mitt Romney and anyone supporting him can go fornicate themselves with a cactus)
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bump


244 posted on 02/07/2012 7:33:37 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: EternalVigilance

What’s the point?


245 posted on 02/07/2012 7:37:26 AM PST by Grunthor (Mitt Romney and anyone supporting him can go fornicate themselves with a cactus)
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To: Grunthor
Life is a continuum. It is wrong to ignore human life at its beginning or its end.

Human life is sacred, regardless of our concepts of time.

246 posted on 02/07/2012 8:41:40 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Grunthor

How about this one for the slippery slope you are on. A husband wants to have sex with his wife. She says NO. Husband’s lust must be filled so he rapes her. A baby is produced. Should that baby be aborted?


247 posted on 02/07/2012 8:49:35 AM PST by marbren (I do not know but, Thank God, God knows)
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To: Grunthor

The point is that you know damned well when human life begins. It’s self-evident. You just don’t care about equal protection of the unalienable rights of all.


248 posted on 02/07/2012 9:00:06 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Ronald Reagan never left the Republican Party. But the Republican Party has left Reaganism.)
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To: Grunthor

Life begins at conception, NOT “implantation”.

And the same chemical messes which claim to prevent conception can wind up preventing implantation - interfering post-conception - which is the murder of a newly-conceived baby.


249 posted on 02/07/2012 9:03:53 AM PST by DNA.2012
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To: Grunthor
I don’t believe that a fertilized human egg is anymore a person on day one than a fertilzed chicken egg is a chicken on day one.

Pure ignorance.

Do you eat fertilized chicken eggs for breakfast?

Or maybe you're ignorant of how unpleasant that would be, too.

250 posted on 02/07/2012 9:05:19 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Ronald Reagan never left the Republican Party. But the Republican Party has left Reaganism.)
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