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GOP voters belie Gingrich’s claim to conservative mantle
Washington Times ^ | 02/05/2012 | Seth Mclaughlin

Posted on 02/06/2012 6:46:39 AM PST by gitmogrunt

Newt Gingrich says he is the conservative choice in the 2012 presidential race, but five states into the campaign, Mitt Romney has won more self-identified conservative voters, according to an analysis by The Washington Times of entrance and exit polls.

Mr. Romney capped off that showing with a win in Nevada that included support from a majority of self-identified conservatives, a feat neither Mr. Gingrich nor the other two remaining candidates have been able to accomplish.

“He may be more conservative than Romney, but that does not mean that he is winning over more conservative voters,” said Mark Rozell, a political science professor at George Mason University. “The primary voters are not aligning themselves solely on the basis of ideology. They are looking as well to electability, character, leadership ability, among other factors. So being to the right of the front-runner is not enough to convince conservative voters to pick a Gingrich.”

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GOP Conservatives selling out, big time in 2012.
1 posted on 02/06/2012 6:46:43 AM PST by gitmogrunt
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To: gitmogrunt

They think he’s the one with a measure of “electability.” Like I mentioned on another thread, on election night, Romney will be giving his concession speech before the polls close in Mountain Time Zone states.

It won’t even be close.

Then the “fun” really begins.


2 posted on 02/06/2012 6:51:13 AM PST by ScottinVA (GOP, meet Courage... Courage, meet GOP.)
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To: gitmogrunt

I don’t believe anything that comes from the media during this election cycle. It’s another attempt to sell Mitt, nothing more.


3 posted on 02/06/2012 6:51:25 AM PST by cbvanb
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To: gitmogrunt

Mitt Romney: Thank you. Thank you, my friends. (Cheers, applause.) Thank you for coming here on this beautiful Massachusetts evening. (Cheers, applause.)

My friends, we have — we have come to the end of a long journey. The American people have spoken, and they have spoken clearly. A little while ago, I had the honor of calling President Barack Obama — (boos) — to congratulate him — (boos) — please — to congratulate him on being reelected the president of the country that we both love.

In a contest as long and difficult as this campaign has been, his success alone commands my respect for his ability and perseverance. But that he managed to do so by inspiring the hopes of so many millions of Americans who had once wrongly believed that they had little at stake or little influence in the election of an American president is something I deeply admire and commend him for achieving.


4 posted on 02/06/2012 6:53:30 AM PST by ILS21R (Never give up.)
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To: gitmogrunt
I think the good professor is just slinging propaganda but I will say this, I was amazed that more Evangelicals in SC voted for LDS Bishop Romney than for Gingrich.
5 posted on 02/06/2012 6:53:47 AM PST by Rashputin (Obama stark, raving, mad, and even his security people know it.)
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To: gitmogrunt

It is not for lack of trying not to. Conservatives bounced from candidate to candidate...anyone but Romney. Ultimately, when it was down to the final 4, some are choosing Romney out of practicality...and realism that the other guys probably aren’t best suited for the general election. You have the entire media, RNC Party elite, and tens of millions focused on getting votes for Romney. Those have an impact.

IMO, when Perry went down for the count in the FL debate, it was likely Romney’s for the taking. Only Perry had the resume to be most electable, except he proved he was incapable of campaigning and debating effectively.


6 posted on 02/06/2012 6:55:17 AM PST by ilgipper (Everything you get from the government was taken from someone else)
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To: gitmogrunt

GOP Conservatives selling out, big time in 2012.

I’d say!!!! Correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t he just win 2 primaries that he was supposed to win? Didn’t Santorum beat him in one he was said to have won but actually didn’t? This doesn’t really sound like a “slam dunk” to me. I think you are on the right trail but I believe that the media is trying to pick our candidate for us (with the blessing of the RNC) and at the same time are testing their impact on us.( since we caught on to them during the 2008 Obama campaign)


7 posted on 02/06/2012 6:56:39 AM PST by marstegreg
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To: ScottinVA

ya and newt will win a 500 ev landslide..


8 posted on 02/06/2012 6:56:47 AM PST by skaterboy (Hate=Love....Love=Hate)
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To: ilgipper

There is NO excuse for a “Conservative” to support Romney.


9 posted on 02/06/2012 6:58:48 AM PST by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: gitmogrunt

Mitt Romney LOOKS more Presidential than Newt Gingrich.

That’s it.

Newt is a brilliant guy, but he holds WAY too many grudges, like Nixon.

Mitt Romney is more like Thomas E. Dewey, who thought that simply because he WASN’T a Democrat, he would be the easy winner in 1948.

So Dewey stopped even trying to campaign a couple weeks before the election, thinking he could coast home.

Mitt has already started coasting.


10 posted on 02/06/2012 6:59:05 AM PST by alloysteel (Are Democrats truly "better angels"? They are lousy stewards for America.)
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To: marstegreg

well newt was up in florida a couple weeks out then debate..newt sucked..romney did good...newt whined about it...romney dropped a few million on him..it was over


11 posted on 02/06/2012 6:59:47 AM PST by skaterboy (Hate=Love....Love=Hate)
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To: gitmogrunt

The Mormons who were polled said they considered themselves as strong conservatives so that should be in the mix.


12 posted on 02/06/2012 7:01:39 AM PST by Christie at the beach
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To: ILS21R

Newt: I didnt lose!!! I didnt!!! obama went negative and hurt my feelings!!!! So divide up the electoral votes so i get an equal share or ill sue!!! ill sue!!!!! He outspent me 20 to 1 and thats not fair!!!!!!!!!


13 posted on 02/06/2012 7:02:38 AM PST by skaterboy (Hate=Love....Love=Hate)
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To: gitmogrunt

No, it’s the women. The women control who gets elected now.


14 posted on 02/06/2012 7:02:47 AM PST by lookout88 (.combat officer's dad)
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To: gitmogrunt

In Nevada it seemed like Mormons put religion over principles.


15 posted on 02/06/2012 7:06:46 AM PST by McGruff (Still 45 States To Go)
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To: alloysteel
Mitt Romney LOOKS more Presidential than Newt Gingrich.

You're right! That's it!. Mitt the twit will win because even though he'll never go after obama, will ignore any issues that he can slam der Fuehrer on, and isn't in any way a conservative; HE HAS EXECUTIVE HAIR! He can buy the nomination and looks good doing it so he is the one. What a load!

16 posted on 02/06/2012 7:09:47 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: gitmogrunt

I don’t think “conservatives” are selling out. The problem is what true conservatives are trying to sell. Newt.

Newt is a known commodity and too many people out there don’t particularly have a very good view of him.

If we had a really good conservative candidate, Romney would not be in the lead.

It isn’t really that people are jazzed for Romney. They just hate Obama and aren’t very happy with any of the choices on the GOP side.

It is a darn shame.


17 posted on 02/06/2012 7:12:08 AM PST by dforest
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To: skaterboy

well newt was up in florida a couple weeks out then debate..newt sucked..romney did good...newt whined about it...romney dropped a few million on him..it was over

I started thinking this way when ABC dropped the supposed Maryanne Gingrich bomb the night before the SC debates. I don’t know if Romney or the RNC had anything to do with it ( can’t say either way). Same thing happened to Cain. It sure looked like the liberal media was flexing it’s muscle and don’t think they won’t do the same to anyone running against Obama. I would imagine that they have already spent a lot of money on attack ads on Romney under the assumption that he will be the nominee. All that is left now is to make it so.


18 posted on 02/06/2012 7:13:23 AM PST by marstegreg
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To: gitmogrunt

Moderate?!?!?!?! The guy is a full-on flaming liberal.


19 posted on 02/06/2012 7:14:31 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: gitmogrunt
Just BRAINWASHING 101. Politics for DUMMIES.

After Super Tuesday, things will be different. Newt will emerge on top, and the milk-toast voters will go along, (man I hate those types).

Newt knows what he is doing, I have no doubt about that. Evidence being that just this morning there have been numerous articles out about how "Newt is quitting", this one, and I read one other I can't think of, all to DEPRESS us.

Mitts camp is PANICKED now, no more easy pickings states, now he has to actually try to sell his ILK to the BIBLE BELT voters, who by the way detest the lying mormonISM.

I'm sure MITT will try another method for us (flip-flop). lol

20 posted on 02/06/2012 7:23:33 AM PST by annieokie
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To: gitmogrunt
Mr. Romney capped off that showing with a win in Nevada that included support from a majority of self-identified conservatives, a feat neither Mr. Gingrich nor the other two remaining candidates have been able to accomplish.

The sickening part of all this press coverage is that they only refer to %.

Romney got 50%, Newt got 21% etc.

There are 2,700,000 people in Nevada, and less that 35,000 or 1.3% of the population voted.

Nobody cared enough to vote.

Mittens got 16,000 and Newt got 6,000 votes...PATHETIC.

We get all worked into a lather here at FR and few people outside give a fat rat's ass.

Newt lost by 10,000 votes or .004 {that's 4-thousandth of a percentage} it's a rounding error.

We hard core political freaks care, but the average American doesn't know what a caucus is, doesn't know what super Tuesday will be, has no clue that during Super Bowl weekend, there was a political vote anywhere in the USA, and worse, has more knowledge about which TV commercial was VOTED BEST, on Sunday night.

Bread and circuses, feed another Christian to the lions, give them another 99 weeks of no work payment, re-elect the boi-king, watch Caligula have sex with her brother, and we can wonder why the Country is going to hell.

It's too early to start drinking, I've got to rant.

21 posted on 02/06/2012 7:23:40 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke The Terrorist Savages)
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To: Christie at the beach

You are right. The Mormons think they are strong conservatives but really are weak rinos.


22 posted on 02/06/2012 7:30:51 AM PST by Mozilla (Defeat Romney first then defeat Obama)
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To: gitmogrunt

“Self-identified conservative voters” says it all. Liberals, for the most part, have no clue that they are liberal. They are just not bright enough to figure it out. The Republican Party is full of liberals. Romney is a case in point.


23 posted on 02/06/2012 7:37:00 AM PST by FerociousRabbit
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To: ilgipper

Perry, former Democrat. Romney, RINO extraordinaire. Gingrich, barely acceptable as a conservative (remember his incorporation of the Tofflers globalist ideals). If this is the best that we can do, then we are so screwed.


24 posted on 02/06/2012 7:39:32 AM PST by W1somoveon
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To: gitmogrunt

Got a call from the RNC this morning wanting me to contribute, blah blah blah. Out of curiosity I asked her what my money would be going towards, she stuttered a little, named a few items then SPECIFICALLY said, “to help Mitt Romney beat Obama.”. I said, “so The RNC has already made up their mind who the nominee will be?”. I then said, “and that is why I will not be contributing this year, my money will not be used to elect a liberal democrat.”. Since I am such a twit, she had to inform me that Romney is a Republican. I laughed and ended the call.


25 posted on 02/06/2012 7:40:51 AM PST by Toespi
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To: lookout88
No, it’s the women. The women control who gets elected now.

Yup, and a majority of women vote on emotion (centered on "helping" people) rather than logic (why throwing more cash at a problem won't help). Democrats and RINO/"moderate" types like Romney tend to do very well with this demographic. Really sorry to say it, but when it comes to voting we would end up with a much better result if only men voted. Certainly not proposing we go back to that though, conservatives will simply have to learn how to cut through the emotional haze and win over more of the female electorate.

26 posted on 02/06/2012 7:44:53 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: dforest
"If we had a really good conservative candidate, Romney would not be in the lead."

You nailed it! I will act on Milton Friedman's words: "People have a great misconception in this way, they think way they solve things by electing the right people. Its nice to elect the right people, but that isn’t the way you solve them. The way you solve things is by making it politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right things!"

I won't let the frustration of not having "a really good conservative candidate" diminish my efforts to defeat Obama.

27 posted on 02/06/2012 7:46:26 AM PST by LZ_Bayonet ( I AM THE TEA PARTY LEADER !)
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To: lookout88

Add to that: ignorant voters, stupid voters, “government dependent” voters, criminals who vote, illegal immigrants who vote, leftists who vote in more than one place, votes from the dead, and all of the other possible ways that the left manipulates the final voting results.


28 posted on 02/06/2012 8:11:50 AM PST by johnthebaptistmoore (If leftist legislation that's already in place really can't be ended by non-leftists, then what?)
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To: gitmogrunt

I like Newt, but he does have a lot of baggage. If there was a real strong conservative canidate, there would be no race.
However, that being said, I am still going to vote Republican this fall. I am not going to let arrogant pride get in the way of removing obama from office.


29 posted on 02/06/2012 8:15:06 AM PST by Londo Molari
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To: gitmogrunt

Out of the total Mormon voting population within Nevada, how many voted for Mitt Romney?


30 posted on 02/06/2012 8:25:32 AM PST by johnthebaptistmoore (If leftist legislation that's already in place really can't be ended by non-leftists, then what?)
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To: ilgipper
It is not for lack of trying not to. Conservatives bounced from candidate to candidate...anyone but Romney. Ultimately, when it was down to the final 4, some are choosing Romney out of practicality...and realism that the other guys probably aren’t best suited for the general election. You have the entire media, RNC Party elite, and tens of millions focused on getting votes for Romney. Those have an impact.

That's not reality, that's propaganda and your opinion.

And given your posting history, I'm not surprised you would try to foist that crap on Freepers as the reality of the situation.

Mitt is the one least suited for the general election.

With his RomneyCare, overwhelming support for both the Gay Agenda and Abortion, his weakness on 2nd amendment issues, his total lack of understanding or support for limited government issues he is a walking timebomb and an easy target for the Obama machine.

He will get torn up into little shreds and when Obama starts going after him in the debates, all you will see is Mr. Flustered.

You're backing a sure-fired loser ilgipper.
31 posted on 02/06/2012 8:47:02 AM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: McGruff
In Nevada it seemed like Mormons put religion over principles.

They generally do what they're told to do...in this case vote for Romney...in truth to them he's the man of the hour in their political agenda which most outside of Mormonism are unaware of, and in fact many within Mormonism aren't aware.....

Most recognized Romney would win in Nevada and Utah simply for the Mormon vote...and with Ron Paul covering for him otherwise....no brainer. Probably will take Michigan for it's his stomping ground and that of his fathers.

32 posted on 02/06/2012 8:50:42 AM PST by caww
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To: dforest
Newt is certainly not the problem for anyone who is genuinally familar with his history as a conservative. So that's just hogwash saying he's not a good representation.

Too many want a "pretty boy" as we saw who voted for Presidents in the past...further they are listening to the propaganda Romney's team is jetting out there.

I will continue to support Newt...he's the best we have and that a zillion times over Romney. Santorum will never make it as most know...and neither will Paul.

The problem isn't the candidates running...the problem is with the voters who don't seem to get the truth but rather are self seeking. If we don't come together and get behindt behind Newt it's a done deal...we loose. And that's just a fact.

33 posted on 02/06/2012 8:58:30 AM PST by caww
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To: gitmogrunt

Is the Wash Times STILL owned by the Moonies(One CULT sticking up for another)?!


34 posted on 02/06/2012 8:59:47 AM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: johnthebaptistmoore
Out of the total Mormon voting population within Nevada, how many voted for Mitt Romney?

Post by FReeper

"Let me tell you a bit about my precinct group. First off, now remember this part, the Reagan gentleman was told by the state gop and newt people that he would be speaking to the caucus, not just his precinct group.

NV caucus process is a joke btw.

Anyway, back to my precinct group of 28. The chair person had on a Mitt t-shirt and kept speaking as though the mitt campaign was in charge of the caucus. He was an annoying man, about 6'1 350lbs. He said now who wants to speak for Newt, and no one spoke. I had already sized up my precinct. It was 24 fellow mormon friends and 4 of us that were not.

Ok so no one spoke up and he looked at me and asked if I wanted to speak. I asked him if the gentleman at the next table to could speak for newt and he replied NOOOOOO he is not in our precinct!! I proceeded to tell him what the state gop had told the gentleman and chaos insued for aobut 10 min, while someone came over to clarify. So he asked me again to speak..

I said well considering I count 24 mormons for mitt, what is the point! I already knew that one non mormon lady was voting for Rick and the ponytail guy was voting for Paul. Only my husband and I for Newt. I knew there would be no swaying the 24 mormons nor the paul guy. The Santorum lady had already told me, she loved Rick and felt sorry for his little girl and was only voting Rick. So I told the guy, go ahead and preach to your people, and shuck my head.

The disorganization of the place was unbelievable! CAucus process is for crap!

So we voted and of course I called it right.. 24 sheeple for mitt and the lone rick and paul people and the 2 for newt from my husband and I :(

To my knowledge all the 20+ precincts represented at the caucus had mitt people as chairmen!

While the Mormon % in NV may not seem like much... They all swamped the caucuses (sp). To me a caucus is not a fair process, especially in Vegas. Too many people have industry jobs that can't come and spend several hours for this BS!

Plus NV has no idea how to do a caucus!

Prior to moving here, I had never had this process in the other states where I voted.

NV needs to go back to Primary voting as we do have to show ID to vote!"


Waiting for permission from original poster to use name.

35 posted on 02/06/2012 9:02:36 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Don't call us bigots! "Bigotry" is 98% of mormons in NV voting for Mitt Romney.)
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To: USS Alaska
There are 2,700,000 people in Nevada, and less that 35,000 or 1.3% of the population voted...... Nobody cared enough to vote.

I noted before that great gap between the numbers who voted and those who never came out. Amazing after all the groundwork Romney and Paul did there to have such low turnout. Maybe they all just thought Romney would get it anyway and just didn't bother.

Hopefully our people will get out there in other states and for me Newt will rise again...and I think that he will.

36 posted on 02/06/2012 9:13:41 AM PST by caww
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To: caww

I don’t see that happening. I know too many who do not like Newt at all. They don’t like Romney either.

Sad situation.


37 posted on 02/06/2012 9:15:23 AM PST by dforest
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To: greyfoxx39
Sorry you had that whole experience there but glad you could share that with Freepers. And I don't think your state is alone in being in bad shape when it comes to the caucus. It's a darn shame really. And thank you for speaking up as you did. Some wouldn't have bothered just as the number who cared to vote at all showed.
38 posted on 02/06/2012 9:18:22 AM PST by caww
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To: dforest

So are you then saying those who don’t like them aren’t going to vote at all?


39 posted on 02/06/2012 9:19:43 AM PST by caww
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To: dforest

The lib media is crowing about the depressed turnout in the Republican primaries. I think the overall turnout in the general election will be low. The people I know who voted for Obama last time aren’t interested in voting for him again.


40 posted on 02/06/2012 9:25:50 AM PST by Fu-fu2
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To: caww

Funny that you said that because Byron York is just discussing that right now on FOX.

Voter turnout hasn’t been good. He says the negative battles are starting to take a toll on enthusiam.

In my state, it really doesn’t matter. Our primary is in May.

By then, we will probably know the lay of the land.


41 posted on 02/06/2012 9:27:47 AM PST by dforest
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To: Fu-fu2

I sure hope you are right. I can’t bear the thought of another Obama term.

The low turnout is because people aren’t thrilled with the choices we have. When it gets super negative, it only makes the choices look even worse. LOL


42 posted on 02/06/2012 9:37:39 AM PST by dforest
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To: alloysteel
Mitt Romney is more like Thomas E. Dewey, who thought that simply because he WASN’T a Democrat, he would be the easy winner in 1948.

Mittens is a Democrat. He's just registered as a Republican. A marriage of convenience, nothing else. Once the nomination is secured he will swing left and the truth will be revealed. My jaw dropped with the defense of the Individual Mandate, the class warfare arguments and (shockingly) the defense of auto-increase of the minimum wage. I sense thath is only just the tip of the iceberg.

43 posted on 02/06/2012 9:46:47 AM PST by EagleInGA (Mittens & the NJ Fat Man? Really?!?!)
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To: RJS1950
Mitt Romney LOOKS more Presidential than Newt Gingrich. You're right! That's it!. Mitt the twit will win because even though he'll never go after obama, will ignore any issues that he can slam der Fuehrer on, and isn't in any way a conservative; HE HAS EXECUTIVE HAIR! He can buy the nomination and looks good doing it so he is the one. What a load!

Yup. There was a reason why women weren't allowed to vote at one time. And ever since television and the Nixon/Kennedy debate, it hasn't been the same. Ike never would have won under that scenario, except that he was running against Adelai Stevenson, who had even LESS hair.
44 posted on 02/06/2012 9:52:28 AM PST by crosshairs (Liberalism is to truth, what east is to west.)
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To: gitmogrunt

I will hate seeing Obama win, but I will love seeing Romney lose.

GO NEWT GO—it’s about the survival of our country!!


45 posted on 02/06/2012 9:56:57 AM PST by Gator113 (~Just livin' life, my way~..... GO NEWT GO--itÂ’s about the survival of our country!!)
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To: crosshairs

Your comment on women voting with their hormones/fantasies is exactly how we got the kennedy mythology.

Stevenson had one more thing going against him; he was a plain label, uninspired stump.


46 posted on 02/06/2012 10:51:28 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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