Skip to comments.PPP Poll Minnesota (tweet) Santorum 33, Romney 24, Gingrich 22, Paul 20
Posted on 02/06/2012 8:04:13 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009
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Minnesota is Santorum 33, Romney 24, Gingrich 22, Paul 20. 35% still say they could change their minds though...
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Not WHEN FLorida is reguired to play by the rules then he has 45.
I live in a Mormon community of about 300. They are mostly uninformed or won’t listen to anything negative about their boy Mittens. Of course the town of Orderville is just two miles up the highway where the experiment in collectivism was tried before the turn of last century. Possibly they think Romney will bring that form of socialism and maybe even polygamy back.
And yes, they are mostly very poor here.
One how much money the Mormons made by owning casinos, selling guns on line etc.
One of the mormons explained away Romney position as a Bishop....He was just the money manager.....(DIdn't want to start a fight but my mind said "What no faith based activities") The second. How poor many of their members were, and how many qualified for “food stamps”
Or Mark Levin.
Or both....I’d be happy with both
Mark could even give her book a shout out next time he was substituting for Rush.
As I said “Trisha Erickson certainly has the credetials” not only to write the book, but her experience in the political arena are impressive.
Is Minnesota a winner-take-all state?
Actually no delegates will be awarded in these upcoming battles. They are caucuses and must go from the precinct level to county/state where the delegates are awarded. The Missouri election is nothing more than a non-binding primary excercise with their caucuses to be held in Mar.
I lived in Vegas back in 1964-65. At that time I was still a member. Many of the casino managers were Mormons. That other mob owned the casinos.
Fast Coyote can tell you more about Mormons in Vegas.
Nope, he is going to pull enough votes away from Newt to hurt him. Romeny can buy his way to the top Newt is working his way.
listen, I am a huge Newt supporter, but we have got to start think strategically here. What is important at the moment is to stop Romney’s momentum. If Santorum is polling way ahead 1 day before the vote then I would encourage all Newt supporters that live in the states voting today to switch to Santorum for the day. Just to stop Mitt from wrapping this up.
Yes, Romney bought Pawlenty.. Romney, his sons, and others close to Romney made donations to pay-off Pwlenty’s campaign debts.
Mitt Romney, his family, staff and supporters donated a combined $66,000 to help Tim Pawlenty retire the debt left over from his presidential campaign.
Romney, his wife, five sons and brother, as well as his associates from Bain Capital were among those cutting maximum checks to Pawlenty, according to a POLITICO analysis of campaign filings released Tuesday.
Does this mean that Palin ‘would be’ voting for Santorum??
Surprised to see Santorum doing so well in such a flaky state. Interesting.
Revised Rule No. 15(b) as Amended by the Temporary Delegate Selection Committee Proposal
Rule No. 15: Election, Selection, Allocation, or Binding of Delegates and Alternate Delegates (b) Timing.
(1) No primary, caucus, or convention to elect, select, allocate, or bind delegates to the national convention shall occur prior to the first Tuesday in March in the year in which a national convention is held. Except Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, and Nevada may begin their processes at any time on or after February 1 in the year in which a national convention is held and shall not be subject to the provisions of paragraph (b)(2) of this rule.
(2) Any presidential primary, caucus, convention, or other meeting held for the purpose of selecting delegates to the national convention which occurs prior to the first day of April in the year in which the national convention is held, shall provide for the allocation of delegates on a proportional basis.
Still need to stay behind Gingrich in the South, but if Santorum can steal these Midwestern states, we are in good shape as far as preventing Romney from getting a majority of delegates. I don’t think Santorum can win Georgia, MS, AL, LA, TN, or TX so we need Gingrich to hang around and take those. We can let the smoke filled rooms in Tampa decide between Santorum and Gingrich. Frankly, I’d be thrilled with either as opposed to Romney.
What could have been is something Ive been thinking about a lot too regarding Huntsman. Its a shame. I also feel worse about him being out of this race as more time goes by his absence is noticeable in every debate since NH. He was head and shoulders above Romney as a presidential candidate. I hope Huntsman will run again in 2016 if our nominee doesnt win this time.
Try asking yourself why Romney is the front-runner because hes the most electable (supposedly), yet Huntsman was 100x more conservative than a flip-flopping, quintessential politician/chameleon like Mitt and a much stronger general election candidate without any of the baggage or dirty laundry. Conservatives put themselves out of the game by obsessing more on an overwrought sense of martyrdom and hurt feelings than the fate of this great nation. Here is hoping the only true candidate with actual credentials will be back to face a more mature audience 2016.
probably whoever the Bushes select
Romney does need to start losing and Santorum to start winning if Romney is to be beaten.
Sounds like a good idea. I often donate my books to our small local library.
Not over for Gingrich... because of Super Tuesday... and Texas etc.
and Santorum can dominate in the Midwest.
Both men in the race will deny Romney the nomination.
I’m in Colorado and I think Romney’s support is overstated in the PPP poll. Santorum is rising fast in Colorado Springs (which is the really big GOP County in Colorado, with 24% of the delegates to the State Assembly).
Those packages never contain conservative books. In fact many carry a high percentage of fiction. The nonfiction packages tend to be books that are headed for the discount book tables.
To get the conservative titles in the hands of more people, donations of actual books by We the People is a must.
OTOH the conservative best sellers are always the first to go off the shelf at our local Walmart.
It's the ones that are not best sellers like Trisha's book that we need to “help distribute””.
I would really like to see a Santorm/Gingrich or Gingrich/Santorum ticket so we can end Romney once and for all.
Sounds good to me!
Minnesota is very polarized.....the Dems are far left, the Republicans decidedly conservative, especially on social issues (Santorum's strong suit, Romney's weakness). So in a GOP primary, things can swing very conservative.
Same in Colorado.....it's the strong conservatives that tend to show up, and last time around winner Romney was perceived (whether correctly or not) as more conservative than McCain. Which is why I'm predicting if Romney wins in Colorado, it will be very narrow,with Santorum+Gingrich having significantly better numbers(when combined). Colorado is a straw poll, although the people that ultimately select the national delegates are also chosen at caucus. Weather: It's going to be pretty cold tonight with snow on the ground and ice-covered walkways, --could depress the older (Romney) turnout, though in Colorado WE LOVE WEATHER! We love snow, we love rain, we love sunshine. It's all good.
I’m probably gonna get flamed for this, but God willing Santorum surges more and more, so we don’t have to hold our noses and vote for someone who will just bring more of the same big establishment, big government, big spending crap.
IMO, he’s the only candidate that I feel I could trust to do what he says. I don’t feel that with the other candidates, especially Romney.
I guess I need to read up on Mormonism, I thought I knew a fair bit...what the heck is “external sexual relations?” I mean...aren’t all sexual relations external...or,....on the other hand... internal? I’m confused. Maybe I need a sex-ed class (even though I DID manage to produce 4 kids!).
The Mormon/Vegas thing has always struck me as very odd. Then again if you’re a serious Baptist living in Las Vegas, I would imagine there are plenty of contradictions to struggle through as well.
All I know is that it is DEFINITELY the LAST town in America I would want to live in.
Me too, but I won't caucus for him tonight. He's not a great communicator, and I would rather support a good communicator I agree with 80% of the time than a candidate whose heart is pure and a great guy but can't find his words. Rick is effective with the right BECAUSE OF HIS POSITIONS....but that won't be sufficient in the general election.
Isn’t there a rule about noo winner take all states before a certain date? (March? April?)
Im probably gonna get flamed for this, but God willing Santorum surges more and more, so we dont have to hold our noses and vote for someone who will just bring more of the same big establishment, big government, big spending crap.
I would send her info to Mike Gallagher at mikeonline.com. He’s been willing to discuss Romney’s Mormonism for a long time and I think he claimed Romney won’t come on his show anymore because he brought it up. Mike’s one of the most Newt-friendly or non-Romney friendly conservative radio hosts there is.
Minn is a winner take NO delegates. MO is a winner take NO delegates and Colorado is a winner take NO delegates. MO won’t decide until March. Very LOW turnout at the poll in my area. I am going to vote for Paul since Newt is not on the ballot because I can’t stand Santorum. I know freepers that are only voting for Santorum in Missouri to send a message to Romney but are crossing over to Newt in March.
Santorum is either the same or worse than Gingrich on big government/big spending. There’s no reason you shouldn’t trust Gingrich as much as Santorum. He fulfilled everything in the Contract with America. Despite all the negative attacks, I’ve not once seen Gingrich accused of breaking a campaign promise, and he was in Congress for 2 decades.
You guys need to read this thread about what Ron Paul supporters are doing. They are becoming delegates no matter who wins their caucuses. So they’re saying even though Ron Paul may have got 10% of the vote, they’ve signed up to be 60% of the delegates. That means that if there’s a brokered convention, they can vote for whoever they want to and that will be Ron Paul.
Newt and Rick people need to stay after the caucuses and sign up to be delegates (which means traveling to the state convention, and hopefully being picked to travel to the national convention). That’s the only way to ensure Newt or Rick get the vote in a brokered convention. The buzz seems to be that Ron Paul and Mitt’s people are nearly the only ones becoming delegates.
I cannot stand Las Vegas. And never go south out of Vegas on a Sunday night. Pissed off gamblers speeding out of town.
When I lived there I was driving a gravel truck for a construction company. We would start the day at 4:00am to avoid the heat of the day.
We have to go to Vegas for air travel. Great rates from there to almost anywhere.
While I agree, he has done alot in terms of the helping economy during Reagan and Clinton years, I think one of the things I have a hard time with is the whole snuggling on the couch with Pelosi/Climate Change thing.
But I do love how he isn’t PC and It would be quite entertaining seeing him take it to Obama the way he has the ENEMYdia.
Probably someone who is not particularly controversial and who is considered acceptable to a majority of the party. Someone who hasn’t made lots of political enemies on the national stage. So people like Palin are out right away.
What’s “sanctimonious” about wanting to stop the killing of babies and having proper, rational disgust for homosexuality?
Comparing 2008 turnouts is a fairly good idea since the base year is one of the few in recent history where both parties start out without an incumbent president or vice president as the perceived front runner. You have to go back to 1952 to get a comparable situation.
Good laboratory states to pick for comparison are New Hampshire, Iowa and Minnesota. Not only because they are early in the process when the interest is the highest and the field completely winnowed down, but also because they are very high voter turnout states.
Here are the statistics from 2008:
Republican Caucus participants 118,696
Democrat Caucus participants 13,485
General Election voters 1,537,123
Caucus participants as percent of General Election voters 8.6%
Republican Primary voters 239,793
Democrat Primary voters 287,556
General Elections voters 710,970
Primary voters as percent of General Election voters 74.17%
Republican Caucus participants 62,828
Democrat Caucus participants 214,066
General Election voters 2,910,369
Caucus participants as percent of General Election voters 4.51%
You can run this type of math on any of the other states, but a few general rules hold sway:
Just to verify, look at the latest labatory ideal primary state in 2008 (also a high turn-out state).
Republican Primary voters 60,964
Democrat Primary voters 97,797
General Elections voters 381,975
Primary voters as percent of General Election voters 41.56%
Bottom line is that while Primary polls tend toward accuracy because you have a large participation rate, Caucus polls can be all over the place because even in a high turnout state like Minnesota, you have less than 1 in 20 voters who ends up participating in the general election actually turning out to caucus.
I just don’t see any destruction happening.
Whoever wins at the caucus level I sure hope can put their shoulder back in the socket from patting themselves on the back, it’s no big deal.
This state will go for Obama in November.
Minnesotans need to focus no winning at the local level and take this state back.
No way will I get behind Santorum. He voted to fund the National Endowment for the Arts and to increase funding for them; he opposes privatization of Soc Sec and allowing younger workers to invest a portion of their OWN money towards retirement; he supports the min wage and govt regulation of wages; he was named PORKER of the month by Citizens Against Govt Waste which is a bipartisan taxpayers watchdog group. He is an earmark king and his irresponsibility in DC played a role in getting this country into the mess it is in today..along with his endorsement of Spector who caste the 60th vote to pass Obamacare. NO SANTORUM! GO NEWT!
Odd, Santorum is going to win the most liberal state in the midwest....
LOL! well, Minn. voted for Jessie “the body” Ventura and home of the Mondales. A rather strange group of “conservatives” behind Little Ricky. Also, I can’t remember his name but there was a funeral in Minn for a prominent democrat that passed away and it was turned into a 3 ring circus and campaign for dems. I think it was when Bush ran against Kerry.
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