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The New Upper Class and the Real Reason We Dislike Them
Time ^ | 2/7/2012 | Charles Murray

Posted on 02/07/2012 12:08:27 PM PST by mojito

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A synopis by Murray of the themes of this new book.

Please read the article before posting and just assuming that this is another OWS-type article. It isn't.

1 posted on 02/07/2012 12:08:35 PM PST by mojito
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To: mojito

It’s not about the wealth,
it’s about the elitism (snobbery).


2 posted on 02/07/2012 12:11:08 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: mojito

Feudal caste systems are hardly new.


3 posted on 02/07/2012 12:12:40 PM PST by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: mojito
I live in a nice town. I know a lot of families who are grooming their children to the Rulers Of The Universe. The kids are not especially bright or especially talented. They are just like anyone else. But they attend nice schools, their families know certain people, doors are opened for them, and they will clearly grow up and have their hands on the levers of power.

And, overwhelmingly, they will think, "How did I get here? I don't really deserve this."

And that's how guilty Liberals are created. They are just powerful schlubs who think that they are secretly unworthy to exercise power. They don't understand the world, but they will rush around and try to "fix" everything to prove their own worth.

4 posted on 02/07/2012 12:16:56 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (I am pro-Jesus, anti-abortion, pro-limited government, anti-GOP.)
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To: MrB
I think that's part of it, clearly.

But more insidious I think, is the fact that these people are products of elite institutions that have only disdain and contempt for America's history and values.

How long can a nation survive if its elites despise their country and its people? Has history ever produced a country whose elites despised the very country that gave them everything? I can't think of one.

And Look at Obama: He's the poster child of our new America-hating elites. And look at how many of those elites support Obama and what he stands for.

5 posted on 02/07/2012 12:19:35 PM PST by mojito
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To: mojito

It’s about amorality.


6 posted on 02/07/2012 12:20:01 PM PST by donna (I want to live in a Judeo/Christian country where we know that, before God, men & women are equal.)
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To: mojito
The new upper class is different. It consists of the people who run the country.... What makes the new upper class new is that its members not only have power and influence but also increasingly share a common culture that separates them from the rest of the country...maybe because they didn't get where they are the old fashioned way - by earning it through merit - but because of who they knew or are related to - like the old aristocracy of Europe - they end up where they are because they went to school with somebody or knew somebody's uncle or were someone's cousin - often what they don't know is how to do their job effectively and competently - they're worthy of contempt.....
7 posted on 02/07/2012 12:21:40 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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8 posted on 02/07/2012 12:24:06 PM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: mojito

In short, the elite are trying to hold back those who worked hard and have been successful by controlling them. This new class of weathy are a threat to their control, and they don’t like it. And us folks down here looking up have figured out their game.

We don’t resent their money, we resent their attempts to control us. We also resent them because sometimes they are stealing our freedoms, and sometimes they are stealing our money. You can keep what you have, but don’t take mine.


9 posted on 02/07/2012 12:24:17 PM PST by RatRipper (I'll ride a turtle to work every day before I buy anything from Government Motors.)
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To: mojito

This is more class-warfare bull****. It’s just packaged with a little twist of lemon to try to appeal to the repressed envy of a few more idiots. Here’s a hint: If it’s in TIME, it ain’t so.


10 posted on 02/07/2012 12:26:54 PM PST by July4 (Remember the price paid for your freedom.)
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To: RatRipper
And they use a meddling bureaucratic regulatory state to assume and preserve that control.
11 posted on 02/07/2012 12:27:37 PM PST by mojito
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To: ClearCase_guy
they will think, "How did I get here?

"and you may tell yourself this is not my house, this is not my beautiful wife...."

12 posted on 02/07/2012 12:27:54 PM PST by HonkyTonkMan
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To: mojito

I guess he should send his kids to elite schools that he can now afford, where his rich son or daughter will learn a little about being upper class and (hopefully) marry one of the poorer members of the upper class to gain entrance and the scion of the poor family will avoid the embarassment of a failed family line.

Been that way for 3000 years.


13 posted on 02/07/2012 12:29:11 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: HonkyTonkMan

14 posted on 02/07/2012 12:30:59 PM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Intolerant in NJ
I noticed that with some of the Facebook IPO coverage. NPR did a story on people who had been roommates with someone years ago, or who had spray-painted murals at Facebook HQ in the early days. These folks had been paid in Facebook stock. Now -- suddenly -- they were worth tens of millions of dollars.

The message was pretty clear: all rich people are lucky. Hard work has nothing to do with it. Mitt Romney? Donald Trump? Just luck. You know, I could be a billionaire too, if a billion dollars fell into my lap. But, sadly, the billion dollars didn't fall into my lap, it fell into someone else's lap.

Much Liberal thinking is that "no one deserves to be rich", and the other component is "My family is better than your family, I attended better schools than you did, I have super cool friends -- that's why I should be the boss of you."

15 posted on 02/07/2012 12:31:29 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (I am pro-Jesus, anti-abortion, pro-limited government, anti-GOP.)
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To: mojito

I know someone who was denied entry into a specific sorority in college because, as she told me, her father didn’t earn enough money, and that was 45 years ago. I was so pissed off that I wouldn’t “go Greek” either. Then, there was the little (actual, bloody) bear head left on a sorority’s steps, which was a prank by a fraternity at about the same time as my decision. I was just disgusted by the whole thing and swore off “going Greek”


16 posted on 02/07/2012 12:32:13 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: mojito

You are making a mistake buying into the class warfare seen frequently on FR.

Many of these same “products of elite insitutions” are your Drs, Engineers and scientists. And entrepreneurs (trying to make jobs).

The real target of your scorn should be the products of these institutions fromthe “liberal” degrees - humanities etc.

Mke a list of those you have trouble with - and then write down their majors. it is not for nuthin they wil lmostly be “pre-law”.

Heck - few will even be “business”.

The VAST majority of Drs, Engineers, and scientists from these institutions are on your side. Some may be a bit squishy - but not “leftards”.


17 posted on 02/07/2012 12:35:35 PM PST by Eldon Tyrell (question,.)
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To: HonkyTonkMan
"and you may tell yourself this is not my house, this is not my beautiful wife...."

"Once in a lifetime (water flowing underground)..."

18 posted on 02/07/2012 12:38:53 PM PST by Albion Wilde (A land of hyper-legalisms is not the same as a land of law. --Mark Steyn)
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“My mother was a secretary.

What money I have is about _ years old.

So, yes, I am...

...nouveau riche.

But then it’s the riche that counts.

There’s only things that interest me...

...work...

...and those trappings of aristocracy that I find worthwhile.

The very things they’re forced to sell when the money runs out.

And it always runs out.

And then all they’re left with...

...is their lovely manners.”

“Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil”


19 posted on 02/07/2012 12:40:09 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: July4

The guy who wrote this is Charles Murray, a conservative/liberterian...His point is that Rich and poor no longer have anything in common, like they did 50 years ago and we are in a alot trouble because of it.. He wasn’t inciting class warfare with this article or his new book but that we All used to share a common culture...


20 posted on 02/07/2012 12:43:06 PM PST by scbison
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To: mojito
This is nothing new. We all watched Caddyshack and loved the brash, self made, Rodney Dangerfield character and hated the entitled, ivy league, Ted Knight character. There is respect for those who earned their money through hard work. And contempt for those who got it from political favoritism or inheritance.

It may be more pronounced now than any time since the industrial revolution created the first self made men. But it is nothing new.
21 posted on 02/07/2012 12:44:29 PM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
But they attend nice schools, where they get a degree (or three) in "government", or "public administration", or "political science", or some such thing ...

And thereby feel that they are enlightened Philosopher Kings fit to dictate the lives of us mere peons who work for a living.

To hell with them.

22 posted on 02/07/2012 12:46:24 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: mojito
Most of the wealthy folks are educated in social, environmental, animal worship, administrative fields, etc., while they invite rich foreigners to saturate engineering programs (working class men discouraged in universities). Family-busting social programs and regulations against new, small, remote manufacturing starts and owner-builders are for the purpose of preventing new competition from rising.

America’s Ruling Class — And the Perils of Revolution
http://spectator.org/archives/2010/07/16/americas-ruling-class-and-the/print

The Fragmenting of the New Class Elites, or, Downward Mobility
http://volokh.com/2011/10/31/the-fragmenting-of-the-new-class-elites-or-downward-mobility/

Environmentalism and the Leisure Class
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2835601/posts


23 posted on 02/07/2012 12:52:32 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: dfwgator

How did I get here?


24 posted on 02/07/2012 12:53:12 PM PST by Wu (Excuse me while I kiss the sky......)
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To: Wu

My God, What Have I Done?


25 posted on 02/07/2012 12:55:04 PM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Eldon Tyrell; mojito; MrB

“You are making a mistake buying into the class warfare seen frequently on FR”

EXACTLY!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2843097/posts?page=21#21
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2843097/posts?page=24#24


26 posted on 02/07/2012 1:02:39 PM PST by Matchett-PI ("One party will generally represent the envied, the other the envious. Guess which ones." ~GagdadBob)
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To: July4

Pay attention to this one. This is the guy who wrote The Bell Curve, a book full of inconvenient truths for our modern Left.


27 posted on 02/07/2012 1:05:54 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Intolerant in NJ
The new upper class is different. It consists of the people who run the country.... What makes the new upper class new is that its members not only have power and influence but also increasingly share a common culture that separates them from the rest of the country

In a country with a growing economy there are enough self made "new rich" to inject sanity into the upper class. One hundred years ago the DuPont's, Rockefeller's and the Astor's were just as rich, elitist and even more powerful than today's upper class. However they were balanced by men like Ford and Edison who came from humble beginnings to found empires of their own.

We no longer have the empire builders of that sort to balance the equations. The closest we come is Steve Jobs and Bill Gates. But they built their empires in the 1980's, Three decades in the past. There hasn't been much of anything since.
28 posted on 02/07/2012 1:08:49 PM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: mojito
Very true.

I had received a National Merit scholarship and was able to go to a good school. I did not partake of any of the “honor's” classes. The reason? I was a farm boy from Nebraska and didn't belong with the “betters” (my adviser used that term).

Funny thing though, I saw it as a compliment.

29 posted on 02/07/2012 1:23:33 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Eldon Tyrell
Mke a list of those you have trouble with - and then write down their majors. it is not for nuthin they wil lmostly be “pre-law”.

Heck - few will even be “business”.

Or both, in the case of Mittens.

30 posted on 02/07/2012 1:23:54 PM PST by cynwoody
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31 posted on 02/07/2012 1:26:02 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: mojito

This sounds very similar to Angelo Codevilla’s article in the American Spectator last July about the Ruling Class vs. The Country Class. Very worth reading; Rush spent a whole show back then discussing it.

spectator.org/archives/2010/07/16/americas-ruling-class-and-the/print


32 posted on 02/07/2012 1:31:22 PM PST by Cymbaline ("Allahu Akbar": Arabic for "Nothing To See Here" - Mark Steyn)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I couldn’t disagree with you more.

I work with these people in the entertainment industry. They all (secretly) think they’re the smartest person in the room. They haven’t gotten over being labelled “gifted” when they were five years old based on their play-doh balls.

They have no doubts or qualms whatsoever about asserting themselves as the “natural” leaders of the rest of us — because they’re so much better and super-successful. E.g., the government has to take over health care because we’re too stupid to buy insurance on our own.


33 posted on 02/07/2012 1:31:22 PM PST by Blue Ink
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To: ClearCase_guy
And, overwhelmingly, they will think, "How did I get here? I don't really deserve this."

And that's how guilty Liberals are created. They are just powerful schlubs who think that they are secretly unworthy to exercise power.

I've come across that type.

Some of them may indeed feel (or have felt) guilty, but they are certainly not humble. Their background and education, not to mention their natural greed, leads them to feel better qualified to hold power than the rest of us and that it is therefore their natural role to rule over the rest of us.

They are the Political Class, the class of the government rich and the crony capitalists, as opposed to the free-market, non-rent-seeking rich. And the Political Class is one class against which it is totally legitimate to make war!

34 posted on 02/07/2012 1:47:08 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: ClearCase_guy

Donald Trump wasn’t the best choice for your post, but I understand what you were saying.

Trump is the punchline to the old Steve Martin joke...
Remember that old Steve Martin joke about the secret formula for becoming a millionaire? “First, get a million dollars ...”

I’ve met some people worth high 8 fiugres or even 9 figures in my life, most of which have no real power in DC or Wall St/London banking world. They grumble about most of the same stuff you see posted on FR, and have no effective means to move the national debate.

I’ve met a few people worth only low 8 figures or high 7 figures who have exceedingly large amounts of elitist power/pull due to things like having a father who was a senior State Dept employee under Eisenhower, having a father who was the Shah of Iran’s financier planner, or being the grandson of a Arab sheikh who attended US Ivy Leagues and made connections.

Screwed up world where the entrenched power has become obsessed with building up the entrenching defenses more than any other policy goal.

We see in Greece this week what happens when the entrenchments collapse inward. In my life we’ll see the same in the USA unfortunately for all of us.


35 posted on 02/07/2012 1:58:30 PM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: GonzoGOP
Mark Zuckerberg?
36 posted on 02/07/2012 2:10:12 PM PST by Inspectorette
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To: mojito

Where’s his data? Of is this just based on extrapolation from general loose observations?

My guess: it’s his idle speculations without grounding in data.


37 posted on 02/07/2012 2:14:46 PM PST by bvw
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To: mojito

The elite used to view themselves as Americans. Wealthier and more successful than others, but still Americans. Now they view themselves as some altogether separate entity looking down their noses at us “bitter clingers”.

Also, too many of them got where they are not by digging in and working hard to build a business, but by heading to Washington, DC to game the system.


38 posted on 02/07/2012 2:24:15 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Inspectorette
Mark Zuckerberg?

Not a great example. He was at Harvard when he invented facebook. Both parents doctors in upstate New York. He was already part of the elite even before he invented Facebook.
39 posted on 02/07/2012 2:39:32 PM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: mojito
Bill Bennett interviewed the author on this topic (24 minutes). Apparently Bill and the author had considered collaborating on the book before Murray ultimately decided to write it by himself.
40 posted on 02/07/2012 2:48:05 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: HonkyTonkMan

..... same as it ever was....... same as it ever was.


41 posted on 02/07/2012 2:51:44 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: mojito

*bfl*


42 posted on 02/07/2012 2:55:15 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: cynwoody
"non rent seeking"

Would you indulge me? I've come across this term, a lot, and I have a hard time understanding it. Who is seeing rent from whom, and for what? I sense it is some sort of term with a wide inclusion, but it keeps eluding me.

43 posted on 02/07/2012 3:43:46 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: ClearCase_guy
And, overwhelmingly, they will think, "How did I get here? I don't really deserve this."

Guilt can be a powerful factor in politics. See the French and Russian Revolutions and America's own SDS.

But the people you're talking about seem to me to have a very weak case of the disorder. A very few may become revolutionaries or radicals. Some join "Occupy" until their money runs out. Others just vote Democrat or give money to the United Way.

It's not people who are unsure of themselves and feel uncertain about their advantages that are a serious problem. Rather it's people who are supremely confident in their own ideas and abilities, virtue and competence that make the most trouble.

44 posted on 02/07/2012 3:50:41 PM PST by x
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To: mojito

The elitists today are not simply “rich.” There are rich people who are not elitists. Elitists are internationalists, disloyal to the Nation, and look down on Americans. They are in-bred and have rejected the Nation and it’s culture and values. They called those who supported their internationalist ideology in the last election as “smart people.” They refer to Americans who cling to the constitution and American way of life as “stupid people.” They have taken on the attitudes of global rulers; royalty. They are treasonous.

If we wanted to defeat them, we would undo their treaty governed and controlled global market. Also, they are treasonous and we should hang a few who undermine our constitution just so they all know that, wish as they might, there is still an American Nation and we don’t suffer traitors well.


45 posted on 02/07/2012 5:52:09 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: bvw

Buy his book.
Your guess is wrong.
I am reminded by this article to do so myself.


46 posted on 02/07/2012 6:32:19 PM PST by Eldon Tyrell (question,.)
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To: Mamzelle
"non rent seeking"

Would you indulge me? I've come across this term, a lot, and I have a hard time understanding it. Who is seeing rent from whom, and for what? I sense it is some sort of term with a wide inclusion, but it keeps eluding me.

Rent seeking behavior is a technical term from economics and political science. It refers to using government power to increase your income beyond what your products or services would command in a free market. Examples include:

Rent-seeking is what crony capitalists are after, and granting such as the above is how politicians buy their support.

The word rent here refers to economic rent, as opposed to ordinary rent (contract rent). Economic rent is defined as a payment to a factor of production in excess of that which is needed to keep it employed in its current use.

47 posted on 02/07/2012 7:42:59 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: GonzoGOP
He was already part of the elite even before he invented Facebook.

Some people feel very strongly that Zuckerberg stole it.

That would fit right in with the class envy that is ubiquitous here. However, there are a bunch of guys who wrote the code that Zuckerburg used to launch facebook.

48 posted on 02/07/2012 7:51:56 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: July4
This is more class-warfare bull****. It’s just packaged with a little twist of lemon to try to appeal to the repressed envy of a few more idiots. Here’s a hint: If it’s in TIME, it ain’t so.

Not familiar with Charles Murray, I gather.

49 posted on 02/07/2012 8:10:09 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: mojito

IMO, there’s the elite and there’s the rich; sometimes the twain meet. Those who are merely rich aren’t the ones who are resented (other than by elected Dems and various union thugs).

To me, the ‘elite’ are those who know better what’s good for you and me than we do, i.e., the over-educated. Ego-driven power is their primary motivation in life. Typically, at least one Ivy or similar degree is required for entry to that club. With no sense of irony whatsoever, the younger elites are supportive of OSW. (not that they’d actually live in an OSW encampment)

Unfortunately, the Ivies no longer admit nor promote based on merit but on ‘diversity.’ They want (and govt regs require) a certain percentage each of males/females/whites/blacks/hispanics/native Americans/northerners/southerns/foreigners/athletes of various sports to keep the alum happy. That lovely mosaic can then be molded in their thinking to conform to what the universities and their professors want. It’s all so very intellectual, we just wouldn’t ‘get’ it.

In fairness, Ivies and all ‘highly selective’ colleges have always had ‘preferred’ admitees; historically they were legacies. If Grandpappy built a library, you can be pretty confident you’ll be offered admission.

The theory of elitists seems to be, why work and/or build/run a company with all the risk that involves, when you can be somewhat removed, and make all the laws under which those others have to run their companies?


50 posted on 02/07/2012 8:49:45 PM PST by EDINVA
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