Skip to comments.Via. Drudge: Fox Tests Volt, Runs Out Of Juice In Lincoln Tunnel
Posted on 02/07/2012 2:00:54 PM PST by Zakeet
GM noted that Fox has issues with the Volt. They give Eric Bolling a Chevy Volt for a week. And this is what GM receives in return. Ingrates. *
* Bet you poor dumb working stiffs can hardly wait until there are a few hundred of these overpriced golf carts on the road in New York City ... and they all run out of power ... on a cold day ... at the same time ... on narrow roads, intersections, bridges, overpasses, ramps, and tunnels ... at pretty much the same time. Then, you really will be a bunch of ingrates!
Note: There is a six minute video embedded in the original article.
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I will see your Tandy and raise you a Wang.
Trash 80s of the world, untie! ;>
I want to see one of the electric vehicles make it through a night and start...in International Falls, MN. Or Prudhoe Bay.
When these piles of junk can go 400+ miles on a charge and all the gas stations have a charge station (several of them) and the car can be recharged in the same time it would take to fuel a regular car, then I might, might, consider buying one. Used.
Not only were your tax dollars wasted on this, but you sound like they had the same technology for testing and manufacturing available “when the airplane was invented” as we have today. Surely they should be able to tell that a car like the Volt is NOT going to be successful before putting so much of our money into building and promoting them.
It might have to do with the fact that we're involuntary investors in the manufacturer.
I agree with you that the government should not be involved in industry and technological developments. I also agree with you that gasoline has a far greater capacity to store energy than electicity, at our current technological development.
But I don’t think that will always be the case, because electrons take far less space than carbon molecules. I think, in time, electricity will be the eventual winner between the two. It’s just a matter of time before we find the proper storage medium for electricity.
Government involvement should not be involved. Look where the private space enterprises are, without government help. They’ve been able to do much more then NASA, in about the same time period.
Sure, but we don't subsidize them with our tax dollars.
And yes, electric cars were being built even prior to 1900 [Google "electric cars 1900" and look at the hundreds of images] and up till at least World War I. They never gained popularity because -- are you ready for it -- the batteries couldn't provide enough range.
In the nineties, GM had an experimental electric car project which saw hundreds of them put on the streets. It was such a failure that GM took them all back and destroyed them.
I'm actually pretty interested in electric car development, I just don't want to invest in it by force and see the president jawboning companies to build them.
Do you know that only 15% of the oil wells produce any gasoline at all, and that after a certain time the supply will be exhausted?
LOL. Peak oil gloom and doom a hundred years ago.
A quick peek at some fine eye Tandy raises my Wang every time.
My granddad still has a T-shirt that says “Ask This Man To Show You His Wang” - with the Wang logo. Still funny today.
The problem, as EE’s have tried to explain to the “I love unicorns!” crowd for decades, is that batteries are a very inefficient energy storage device.
There is no battery technology that can compress energy into a density remotely near that of chemical fuels (eg, gasoline, much less diesel fuel). None. There’s nothing REMOTELY close to those energy densities on the horizon in battery technology.
Now, in addition to the energy density problems of batteries, there’s the additional problem that you can remove or replace energy into batteries only so fast without compromising them. If you want to see what I mean, just go get a 100 amp 12 charger (they’re used to rapidly recharge truck and tractor batteries) and put that puppy on a common car battery. You’ll find after you do this several times that the battery simply won’t hold as much power on each successive recharge. Batteries don’t like to have power rammed into them - they have definite maximum sustainable recharge rates, which when exceeded, cost you battery life.
Oh, BTW - be very careful because a car battery might explode if you try to dump 100 amps/hour into it. Want to recharge that battery safely? Recharge it overnight at 2 amps/hour - or maybe for a full day if it was really dead.
Then there’s the discharge rate issues. Batteries store energy in a chemical reaction, and as everyone knows, chemical reactions slow down in the cold. So cars like the Volt end up spending some of their energy to heat the battery in cold weather so they can get power out of it faster than natural rates would allow. Yea, that makes for really long ranges: Using battery power to heat the battery so we can discharge it faster... um, what problem were we trying to solve again?
The problems here are multiple. The electric auto advocates haven’t come close to solving even ONE of the multiple issues of: power density, discharge rates in cold weather, recharge rates, weight, etc. They’re still peddling the same ideas from 100 years ago (literally, no exaggeration) and they’ve made very scant progress in the meantime.
Now, compare that to the progress made in diesel autos, and the electric car advocates look like they’re backing the sloths in a three way race of progress between rabbits (diesels), turtles (gasoline engines) and sloths (electric vehicles).
You’re right that technology gets better over time, but the truth is that electric auto technology isn’t really getting all that much better. Sure, they’re more comfy, more stylin’, with sexier dashboards, etc. That’s true for all cars. The ONE thing that has to get better for the electric car to become viable is the battery technology, and it can’t get just a little bit better around the edges. It has to become “order-of-magnitude” better.
That simply hasn’t happened in the last 100 years. And from what I know as a EE, it ain’t on the horizon, either. If we had even one-tenth the rate of progress in battery technology we’ve had in sold state electronics (transistors and chips) in the last 50 years, you’d be able to power your car for 50 miles with a battery that is about the size of a wristwatch.
Look at it another way: Consider how much music you can now store on an iPad Nano. A huge leap forward in personal entertainment since the first portable transistor radios, right?
Batteries, relatively speaking, have progressed from a 12” LP vinyl record to the 45RPM single in the last 100 years.
Did you call?
And a new battery set does not cost your first newborn!
You can bet that for any problem with your battery set, they will write the warranty such that the customer pays 90% of the time. Just like tire problems.
Something like 3-4 thousand dollars to replace not counting labor. (no pun intended LOL)
I went to computer tech school at Control Data in the mid 80’s.. Was going to be hired by NASA at the Glenn Center, but they had to hire a minority woman. Went to work night shift in a sheet metal shop to pay my bills. Pretty bitter about that. The Control Data school was a complete gov’ment scam.
To develop man made flight or to buy a new technology that could be purposed for warfare? The comparison is not even in the same ballpark.
Isn't progress great?
9/26/1998...that would have been a tough one to beat...lol
You never cease to amaze........
That goes without saying, of course.
I keep harping on this, and I’m sure I’m a bore on the topic, but it really is the brutal truth. Batteries are the crux of the matter.
Look at the people who want to use solar or wind power to light up their homes as another example. I used to help several families in central NV, where I was known as the only EE within 80 to 100 miles radius that could help straighten out their solar power systems.
These poor people would be sold a solar or wind power system from some bunch of Unicorn-fart sniffers in California, Reno or Arizona, they’d install it, get it up and going and the dealer would imply that they were all set.
Nooooo.... the batteries need minding. And then I’d have to come out to their remote ranch and start telling them how to equalize their lead-acid batteries, how to do tend to them, how they’d degrade if charged too fast, discharged too fast, etc.
And in every case, the people to whom I’d teach all this stuff would ask “Well, this is all news to me! No one ever told me about this!” or “They told me that that was all in the past!”
Then I’d have to tell them that the BEST person they could get to explain all this stuff to them would be a WWII submariner, because diesel-electric boats lived and died on these issues. I’d then add “I would have suggested a WWI submariner, but as far as I know, they’re all dead...”
And you’d see these people get ROYALLY pissed off... because they’d then realize that there wasn’t some “huge leap forward” in recent solar and wind power stuff... it was the same stuff from the 1970’s, and the little integrated inverter/control panel was really the only new thing on the scene. Most of these ranches, you see, had flirted with solar power during the initial wave of enthusiasm in the 70’s... and during the 80’s to 90’s, as diesel costs came down, they just went to gensets puttering along on the ranch during their waking hours. When diesel went up, they checked into solar power (again) and were sold the same stuff (basically) as they were in the 70’s.
Bwaaaahaaaaaaaaaa ...one of the few commercials I’ll watch.
They were making electric cars 100 years ago. The reason they stopped was the same reason they are a sh#tty idea now. Batteries are inferior to internal combustion engines.
I have to disagree! The Volt was originally pushed as getting up to 60 miles on a single charge. When it debuted it was dropped to 40 miles. GM now says 35. I guess that’s in a controlled test without heater, A/C, lights or defroster. And probably going downhill. Bolling was actually being generous by saying it went 25 miles when he had to go 18 miles to his office according to his GPS. Since the car switched to gas before that despite a full charge I would have to say it does have a problem with range. Especially in light of the fact that an 1896 Robert Electric got 40 miles on a charge. Not much progress in 116 years!
Step away from the Kool Aid, lest ye be zotted.
Just what is the problem with a 19th technology that must be subsidized to the tune of $250,000 for Dolt by the taxpayer and then it’s still a piece of crap? No...no problem there. Why don’t you take a train...another inefficient subsidized crummy technology.
Wow. Asking a question is kool aid? You are a communist. You need to be zotted NOW.
The Volt is about the same technology as the Prius. The primary, and really only, difference is that the Volt has a bigger battery.
Yeah, but that was five years after the proof of concept. The contract was to develop a model for military use and to train the first pilots. The army didn’t subsidize the development and testing, they bought a proven product.
But I appreciate the factoid.
Because the vacuum tubes burned out so fast, computers like ENIAC rarely ran for more than a few hours at a time.
That does it.
We should invest in computers, because there is no way any technological solution to ever making them really useful.
Back to the pen and paper!
I know everyone wants to make fun of electric cars but doesnt everything have problems when they first start. I dont remember the first airplane being able to go as far as they do today. The first car you had to use a hand crank and probably had to stop every 100 feet. They definitely werent able to travel for miles and miles like today. I am not sure I understand why FREEPERS are making fun of automobiles that may one day be a great thing. I bet the first computer was this big hunky thing that was only able to be turned on for five minutes and could not be held in your hand.
Great. Why don't you just mosey on down to your (Dear Leader's) Gov't Motors and buy one of those great "sleds" you are so defending and then get back to us in a year or so?
Lay off the Kool Aid as it is obviously addling your limited intellect.
PS: Are you really a Freeper and a Conservative???
Actually it would be more appropriate to have named it Iskra ,after the paper Lenin established in Stuttgart In 1900.
Iskra's motto was "From a spark a fire will flare up".
Coincidentally, Iskra's avg. sales amount to about 8,000, about the same as the Volt's.
Did I say it was great? Did you ever learn to read? Comprehension is very poor. Your grammar is atrocious. Please go back to school and once you do get back to me.
What good is a lemon that runs out of juice?
Give me a hybrid that packs 5,000 horsepower, weighs 8,000 tons, carries 5,000 gallons of diesel with an unlimited top end that I can drive on the street and I’ll bite.
$8,500 for 20 MHz and 2 MB RAM!!! Only 23 years ago!
“I know everyone wants to make fun of electric cars but doesnt everything have problems when they first start.”
You can’t be serious, and still claim to be a conservative.
Well all I am saying is that when people wanted to fly airplanes and other things it did not work correctly. I don’t even think it is a political issue. It is a innovative issue. Not everything on Earth is political.
There’s nothing inherently liberal or conservative about a technology. Let GM or whomever try to sell it, if they think it’s competitive with gas.
It’s only Conservative or liberal, depending on whether one believes that government should be involved in the process.
>> I am not sure I understand why FREEPERS are making fun of automobiles that may one day be a great thing.
I think regulating your diet and energy consumption may one day be a great thing.
You know what it’s about, naps.
You know what its about, naps.