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Eisenhower's Family Objects to Memorial Design
Newser ^ | Feb 7 2012 | John Johnson

Posted on 02/07/2012 7:57:00 PM PST by WilliamIII

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1 posted on 02/07/2012 7:57:09 PM PST by WilliamIII
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To: WilliamIII
I'm with Ike's family 100%!

Clearly, the artist was looking for a way to ignore or minimize Ike's historical accomplishments.

Eisenhower family, stay strong on this!

You have much support.

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2 posted on 02/07/2012 8:03:03 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: WilliamIII

I’m with the family. When I saw this article, I wondered if the memorial was going to be crescent shaped or something similar.


3 posted on 02/07/2012 8:10:20 PM PST by matthew fuller (Obama has definitely earned a second term- 99 years in Leavenworth USP.)
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To: WilliamIII
The $112 million memorial will be primarily financed by taxpayers

No more monuments or museums in DC. We cannot afford it!

4 posted on 02/07/2012 8:13:06 PM PST by iowamark (The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, But in ourselves)
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To: WilliamIII
Hopefully he won't be shown apologizing to someone or something.
Or bowing to some foreign leader.
5 posted on 02/07/2012 8:18:43 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: WilliamIII
Why not a statue patterned after this:

Or this:


6 posted on 02/07/2012 8:23:03 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: WilliamIII

How pathetic and demeaning to the Eisenhower family and to the President.

What’s next? A statue of Reagan in a baby cradle saying a few coos and gurgles that presage his future great oratorical skills?

They sure didn’t put a statue of MLK as a boy.

Conservatives should not stand for this crap.


7 posted on 02/07/2012 8:25:25 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: WilliamIII

Really difficult to judge based on the pictures with the article. Honestly, the building design looks very classy and extremely restrained for Frank Gehry. As for he country bumpkin statue, can’t judge something I can’t see, but I can at least say that he did start out as a boy from Kansas and was not always the a general or president. If the boy from Kansas was the only image of Eisenhower in the memorial I’d agree. But at this point I don’t see the problem.

(But then I grew up in Hannibal, Mo with statues of Tom and Huck everywhere. So that kind of image doesn’t offend me.)


8 posted on 02/07/2012 8:25:32 PM PST by newheart (What this country needs is a good dose of bran. Attack Muffins Unite!)
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To: WilliamIII
Who picked Gehry to design the thing? Given his past work, they should have known they would get something weird or ugly.
9 posted on 02/07/2012 8:28:18 PM PST by Huntress ("Politicians exploit economic illiteracy." --Walter Williams)
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To: All
Eisenhower as boy in Kansas looking out on vistas of his future accomplishments—as a country bumpkin

What kind of PC crapola is that? Better idea, a depiction of Eisenhower standing on that English airfield on the night of June 5, 1944 surrounded by his American paratroopers.

10 posted on 02/07/2012 8:29:13 PM PST by SamKeck
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To: WilliamIII
Saw a mock up of the memorial. Bullshit deconstruction of a great man into leftist drivel. If they build this obscenity someone should blow it up.
11 posted on 02/07/2012 8:29:53 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: WilliamIII
Saw a mock up of the memorial. Bullshit deconstruction of a great man into leftist drivel. If they build this obscenity someone should blow it up.
12 posted on 02/07/2012 8:30:15 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: WilliamIII

The insignia for General of the Army, as created in 1944, consisted of five stars in a pentagonal pattern, with points touching. The five officers who have held the 1944 version of General of the Army are:

George Marshall 16 December 1944

Douglas MacArthur 18 December 1944

Dwight D. Eisenhower 20 December 1944

Henry H. Arnold 21 December 1944

Omar Bradley 22 September 1950

There have been no “Generals of The Army” since General Bradley. (There have been three equivalent Naval officers, “Fleet Admirals”).


13 posted on 02/07/2012 8:32:33 PM PST by matthew fuller (Obama has definitely earned a second term- 99 years in Leavenworth USP.)
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To: WilliamIII; All
I have to agree with the family on this.

Ike was one of the good ones.

The most under-appreciated POTUS in history.

To not show show him as a five-star general officer in US military (less than ten ever)...winner of WWII... in full uniform is a disgrace.

Along with Washington and Grant I can't think of another to achieve as highly.

14 posted on 02/07/2012 8:33:25 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: matthew fuller

Just out of interest, since this was FDR handing out stars like they were so many post offices, how many Flag Officers besides Ernest King got a fifth star?

Did Nimitz get one?

Best,

Chris


15 posted on 02/07/2012 8:38:16 PM PST by section9
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To: SamKeck
we have a winnah!

...and close by, have a copy of his letter that was never needed accepting full responsibility for the failure of the Normandy landings. It might be instructive for, o, say those who seem to have difficulty accepting responsibility for their actions

16 posted on 02/07/2012 8:39:59 PM PST by redlegplanner ( No Representation without Taxation)
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To: Seaplaner

I TOTALLY agree. This borders on being a joke!

They should get rid of the person designing this debacle and contract someone else!


17 posted on 02/07/2012 8:40:35 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: matthew fuller

I see that Marshall got his fifth star two days before MacArthur. I bet that drove Mac nuts. ;-D


18 posted on 02/07/2012 8:42:00 PM PST by Huntress ("Politicians exploit economic illiteracy." --Walter Williams)
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To: WilliamIII

“appreciates the comments provided by the Eisenhower family.”

Governmentspeak,,, for “screw you”


19 posted on 02/07/2012 8:43:53 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: BenLurkin

Although Eisenhower was a great General in WWII his true legacy is when he led our nation in the most dangerous of times after WWII. In those times the United States and the USSR were on a hair trigger of intercontinetal thermonuclear war.

Nothing happened during his presidency. That is his legacy. Eishenhower loathed and despised war. Eisenhower did understand what war is and what is today. Unfortunately the later occupents of his legacy did not understand it or rejected it. Nixon, JFK, Bush 1 and Bush 2 did understand this.

President Carter did not understand because he was and is a fool. President Obama is neither a fool nor a patriot.


20 posted on 02/07/2012 8:46:03 PM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: matthew fuller

Hap Arnold 5 star for 2 different branches.


21 posted on 02/07/2012 8:49:28 PM PST by stylin19a (time to Obamanos)
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To: section9
Fleet Admirals of the United States Navy:

William Leahy
Ernest King
Chester Nimitz
William Halsey

22 posted on 02/07/2012 8:50:00 PM PST by MrBambaLaMamba (This Message Contains Privileged Attorney-Client Communications)
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To: WilliamIII

David was king of the Israelites but Michaelangelo got away with portraying him as a naked dude


23 posted on 02/07/2012 8:50:50 PM PST by Texas Gal (Yay shariah. It's as great as diarrhea.)
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To: BenLurkin

If I remember correctly, Ike was America’s first 5-Star General.


24 posted on 02/07/2012 8:51:21 PM PST by redhead (We Will Not Comply!)
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To: matthew fuller

I stand corrected. See post above. Still love the idea of a 5-star General, though.


25 posted on 02/07/2012 8:53:00 PM PST by redhead (We Will Not Comply!)
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To: section9

The Navy’s Fleet Admirals were:
William Daniel Leahy
Ernest Joseph King
Chester William Nimitz
William Frederick Halsey, Jr.
(This information is extracted from the Naval Historical Foundation’s booklet Fleet Admirals, U.S. Navy.)

http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq36-1.htm


26 posted on 02/07/2012 8:54:07 PM PST by matthew fuller (Obama has definitely earned a second term- 99 years in Leavenworth USP.)
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To: WilliamIII
The small white figure way in the distance is the proposed statue, made of white fiberglass rather than bronze.


27 posted on 02/07/2012 9:03:14 PM PST by Last of the Mohicans
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To: WilliamIII

Here’s a website dedicated to opposing the statue and the memorial, for the reasons they list... here:

http://www.eisenhowermemorial.net/national-civic-art-society-report-frank-gehrys-eisenhower-memorial


28 posted on 02/07/2012 9:04:53 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: cpdiii
(No war with the Soviets) happened during his presidency. That is his legacy. Eishenhower loathed and despised war. Eisenhower did understand what war is and what is today.

This 1963 photo from the American military cemetery in Colleville-sur-Mer, Normandy, amply underscores the truth of that...

Poignant, to say the least.

29 posted on 02/07/2012 9:07:13 PM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Plus MLK’s family was paid.

This design minimizes Eisenhower’s accomplishments.


30 posted on 02/07/2012 9:11:28 PM PST by jimnm
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To: Huntress
Agreed. I think his buildings are fugly. The Disney Concert Hall in LA is an eyesore.
31 posted on 02/07/2012 9:12:06 PM PST by drew
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To: BenLurkin
After Ike retired to his Gettysburg farm, he established a relationship with Gettysburg College. There's a very casual, yet respectful statue of Ike on campus...


32 posted on 02/07/2012 9:22:55 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: D-fendr; All

Thanks for the link -
Good gravy, it’s deplorable - and in white fiberglass!
And for an astronomical amount of money. Who does he know?

Time for these memorials, paid for by US, be in contest form. Let all artists who want submit a design, pick 4-6 best ones and then let the public, whose money pays for it, pick the winner.

Let’s support Ike and his family and comment on the site AGAINST this insult.

http://www.eisenhowermemorial.net/national-civic-art-society-report-frank-gehrys-eisenhower-memorial#comment-355


33 posted on 02/07/2012 9:26:47 PM PST by maine-iac7
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This is little better than Winston Churchill being eliminated from school book in the UK - kids there are growing up today not even knowing he existed.

Seems like this is just dismissing what Ike did - People, especially young people, will pass by with nary a thought as to who it is and what he did - and how we should all be thankful we aren’t speaking German today.

And another great man is wiped from history.


34 posted on 02/07/2012 9:32:01 PM PST by maine-iac7
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To: Seaplaner
I agree with with the family , they are the ones that make the decision on what should be done , AND NO ONE ELSE. PERIOD.
35 posted on 02/07/2012 9:36:18 PM PST by Billk
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To: redhead

Wrong , Marshall was the first in ww2 .


36 posted on 02/07/2012 9:40:20 PM PST by Billk
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To: SamKeck

Yes! I have that photo but can’t post it now - on my phone. Addressing the Screaming Eagles. That’s the one!


37 posted on 02/07/2012 9:42:45 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
What’s next? A statue of Reagan in a baby cradle saying a few coos and gurgles that presage his future great oratorical skills?

You know, Hercules performed his first feat in the cradle. He strangled two snakes, one in each hand, that a jealous Hera had sent to kill Hercules and his brother. Maybe they could use that.

38 posted on 02/07/2012 9:56:29 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: newheart
Honestly, the building design looks very classy and extremely restrained for Frank Gehry. As for he country bumpkin statue, can’t judge something I can’t see, but I can at least say that he did start out as a boy from Kansas and was not always the a general or president. If the boy from Kansas was the only image of Eisenhower in the memorial I’d agree. But at this point I don’t see the problem.

Honestly, I think you're a shill.

And a pretty insidious one at that.

39 posted on 02/07/2012 9:59:05 PM PST by Talisker (Apology accepted, Captain Needa.)
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To: Texas Gal

By all means then, let’s have a naked Ike.


40 posted on 02/07/2012 9:59:55 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: Texas Gal
David was king of the Israelites but Michaelangelo got away with portraying him as a naked dude

Is that an example of Texas logic, Gal logic, or is it uniquely yours?

41 posted on 02/07/2012 10:06:28 PM PST by Talisker (Apology accepted, Captain Needa.)
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To: dr_lew

Gehry is known for his statues of naked children.


42 posted on 02/07/2012 10:10:00 PM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Last of the Mohicans

I wouldn’t mind if the boy was in white limestone, and he was gazing at a bronze statue of Pres. Eisenhower in the distance.


43 posted on 02/07/2012 10:11:41 PM PST by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: Talisker

A shill? I love it. Been around this forum since 1998 just so I could shill for Frank Gehry. (check my about page if you don’t believe me.) You caught me.

I thought I was just one guy with an opinion, but apparently you don’t think I am entitled to believe that a memorial that celebrates the way a kid from a small Kansas town can rise to the extraordinary level of achievement that Ike managed is an honor to both the man’s memory and to the country he lived in. Check out the murals. The rest of his achievements are indeed celebrated.

And with all due respect to his family, I don’t think the design dishonors Ike. But hey, maybe I am not allowed to have an opinion that differs from yours. Maybe in the new regime you can be put in charge of opinion control.

(Nice scotch, Talisker, but I prefer Lagavulin, just my opinion though.)


44 posted on 02/07/2012 10:14:10 PM PST by newheart (What this country needs is a good dose of bran. Attack Muffins Unite!)
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To: newheart
I thought I was just one guy with an opinion, but apparently you don’t think I am entitled to believe that a memorial that celebrates the way a kid from a small Kansas town can rise to the extraordinary level of achievement that Ike managed is an honor to both the man’s memory and to the country he lived in.

You're certainly entitled to think it, and to express it, but you're dead wrong. The thing is transparent.

45 posted on 02/07/2012 10:27:22 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: BenLurkin
..or this one from the Rapid City gallery of presidents?


46 posted on 02/07/2012 10:29:33 PM PST by az_gila
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To: dr_lew
You're certainly entitled to think it, and to express it, but you're dead wrong.

I've been wrong before, and I will be wrong again. But I am going to think for myself. PC from the right is just as wrong as PC from the left.

47 posted on 02/07/2012 10:30:44 PM PST by newheart (What this country needs is a good dose of bran. Attack Muffins Unite!)
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To: newheart
PC from the right is just as wrong as PC from the left.

This is a canard. Political Correctness is a uniquely leftist phenomenon. The idea of right wing PC is kneejerk tu quoque.

48 posted on 02/07/2012 10:33:25 PM PST by dr_lew
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Political Correctness is a uniquely leftist phenomenon.

ROFL. I'll see your u quoque and raise you an ignoratio elenchi.

Suggesting that only the left can be PC is like them saying that a white man can be racist. Please. Unthinking ideology blinds wherever it reigns. Left or right.

49 posted on 02/07/2012 10:41:47 PM PST by newheart (What this country needs is a good dose of bran. Attack Muffins Unite!)
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To: newheart
Unthinking ideology blinds wherever it reigns.

Political Correctness has nothing to do with unthinking ideology, and unthinking ideology has nothing to do with the objections to this proposed Ike memorial.

50 posted on 02/07/2012 10:47:50 PM PST by dr_lew
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