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Tiger Habitat Urgently Threatened (by toilet paper! Who knew?)
World Wildlife Fund ^ | 2/8/12

Posted on 02/08/2012 10:20:08 AM PST by pabianice

The toilet paper on your grocery store shelves may have a direct impact on the 400 Sumatran tigers left in the wild. Not all tissue and paper towels are made from responsible sources.

Tiger Habitat Urgently Threatened

Sumatra's rain forests--and the tigers that live in them--are in danger. One threat? Toilet paper bound for U.S. stores.

Asia Pulp & Paper (APP) is pulping rain forests and replacing them with pulp plantations to provide paper fiber for products like the fastest-growing brand of toilet paper in the United States today, Paseo. Since 1984, APP's forestry practices have cleared 5 million acres of Sumatra's forests--an area the size of Massachusetts. With only about 400 Sumatran tigers and fewer than 2,800 Sumatran elephants left in the wild, the remaining habitat is critical to these species' survival.

Learn what you can do to help ensure a future for Sumatra's forests, and the tigers, elephants and local communities they support.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: rainforests; sumatra; tigers; wildlife
All I can say is we'd better start reusing our newspapers, if you know what I mean. A newsprint-smeared butt is a small price to pay for saving the tigers. If, indeed, evil toilet paper makers are the cause of the tigers' declining population. No such relationship has or can be shown.
1 posted on 02/08/2012 10:20:11 AM PST by pabianice
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To: pabianice

Haven’t heard anything from Lance A’s ex in a while....


2 posted on 02/08/2012 10:24:46 AM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: pabianice

My father and his patrol once shot a stripey-pants tiger in a Vietnamese rain forest while in their BDUs.
What the tigger was doing in their BDUs I’ll never know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLdk2C25Z14


3 posted on 02/08/2012 10:26:38 AM PST by tumblindice
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To: pabianice
Elin Nordegren with a 9-iron might endanger Tiger's habitat...but toilet paper?..don't think so.


4 posted on 02/08/2012 10:27:28 AM PST by twister881
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To: pabianice
So it's come to this.

We're literally wiping out tigers...

5 posted on 02/08/2012 10:31:58 AM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: pabianice; SierraWasp

Congratulations commies. This is the result of you and your ilk shutting down sustainable logging operations along with the lumber and pulp mills that process the product.

There are no tigers in Plumas County California, just thousands of square miles of dangerous undergrowth the size of several East Coast states waiting to go up in a conflagration while you crazy tree hungers continue to tie up forest management plans in court.


6 posted on 02/08/2012 10:32:28 AM PST by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: pabianice

Who would have thunk that using toilet paper would “wipe out” the tigers.


7 posted on 02/08/2012 10:33:38 AM PST by Jack Burton007 (This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.)
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To: pabianice
Remember, when you only use one sheet of toilet paper, you too will need to put slipcovers over your breakfast room chairs. A scene from Sheryl Crow's multi-million dollar home while it was for sale:


8 posted on 02/08/2012 10:38:21 AM PST by NautiNurse
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To: pabianice
You just can't satisfy some people.

Since I've never heard of Paseo brand TP, I looked it up on the internet. I suspect it's a Pacific brand (probably Australia, New Zealand, etc) as the website uses Brit spellings and compares land area to "soccer pitches."

It does talk quite a bit about its use of "sustainable" sources; in other words, they aren't just going in and chopping down forest, but they are replanting and seem to be trying their darndest to be "responsible" and environmentally friendly.

Of course, quite a few "environmentalists" will never be happy with anything that provides any benefits whatsoever to humans; they want us all back in the Stone Age and would probably prefer most people in that area be tiger food.

9 posted on 02/08/2012 10:40:00 AM PST by susannah59
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To: susannah59

I think that I will go and squeeze my Charmin now!


10 posted on 02/08/2012 10:54:56 AM PST by redflash ("A dog is a dog until you look him in the face, then he is Mr. Dog!")
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To: susannah59

As an “expert” on this subject (I was in the paper business for 35 years) this article leaves a lot to be challenged. Pretty much all the retail TP sold in the US is produced by 3 or 4 American companies. China has sent TP over here over the last few years but not retail. It is very hard to imagine someone is making TP from old grow forest or even clearing it for that use.


11 posted on 02/08/2012 11:06:34 AM PST by Recon Dad (Gas & Petroleum Junkie)
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To: Recon Dad

“It is very hard to imagine someone is making TP from old grow forest or even clearing it for that use.”...

Of course it is!...This is just the usual whack left run amok save the _________ (fill in the blank) campaign.


12 posted on 02/08/2012 11:20:05 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Recon Dad

I’m certainly no expert on this subject except as a consumer.

But I read recently that our supply of “soft” toilet paper was threatened. It appears that used newsprint is used in the production of the soft papers, and that the supply of used newsprint is running woefully short for the purpose.

Sheryl Crow may have to use only half a sheet now.


13 posted on 02/08/2012 11:25:09 AM PST by Ole Okie
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To: Recon Dad

My brother and BIL both work for Georgia Pacific. They have good, non union jobs, making paper towels, tp, napkins, etc. I have hunted and camped on GP land in Louisiana, (with permission from GP). Acres and acres of trees. They harvest and replant. There is always a huge mature forest. It’s a renewable resource.


14 posted on 02/08/2012 11:46:52 AM PST by sportutegrl
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To: pabianice

if we’re going all the way to Sumatra to import a bulky low-value product like toilet paper, then it’s economic stupidity that is killing off those tigers


15 posted on 02/08/2012 11:51:53 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: NautiNurse

Any time I hear the name Sheryl Crow, the term “anal leakage” comes to mind. Can’t understand why... </ sarc>


16 posted on 02/08/2012 11:53:55 AM PST by twister881
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To: pabianice

Everybody knows that the greatest threat to the tiger population is the use of tiger “parts” for male virility issues. In fact, drugs such as Viagra, Levitra and Cialis have done more to save the tiger population that any environmental measures.


17 posted on 02/08/2012 11:56:25 AM PST by toothfairy86
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To: pabianice

So, if someone goes and kills all of those tigers, there’s nothing to complain about and we have no threat to our rear ends.


18 posted on 02/08/2012 12:04:36 PM PST by fruser1
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To: sportutegrl
There is always a huge mature forest

Yep. Anyone who says different hasn't spent time in the woods.

A couple of years ago, I revisted some old childhood fishing haunts. I couldn't find them without the help of a topo map. Amazing how fast everything gets grown over.

19 posted on 02/08/2012 12:07:22 PM PST by wbill
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To: Buckeye McFrog

You’re correct about such long trips for a freight intensive product like toilet paper, but they are probably just keeping their economic boat afloat while their markets develop closer to the producers.

Papermills are built at the hub of their marketing area. When products gets sent that far from the producer, it’s usually to get their foot into new markets before building a new plant.

Seeing as there are already producers closer to this market, and no one is going to make energy cheaper, or repeal the law of gravity, this must be a move to offset expenses while something else happens.


20 posted on 02/08/2012 12:10:36 PM PST by papertyger
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To: ElkGroveDan
Hey Dan! Have you ever tried recycled toilet paper? It only comes in "earth tone" tan!!!

We once heard the Safeway loudspeaker announce that they now had recycled TP. We wondered how they skimmed it off the surface of the water treatment plant in order to recycle it. Maybe these EnvironMentalists are experts in that.

Why aren't they worried about Plumas County's mountain lion population.

21 posted on 02/08/2012 12:23:21 PM PST by SierraWasp (I'm done being disappointed by "He/She is the only one who can win" and being embarrassed later!!!)
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To: SierraWasp

Somebody TP’d Tiger Woods’ house?
What?


22 posted on 02/08/2012 12:27:01 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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23 posted on 02/08/2012 12:38:02 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: sportutegrl

My company was bought by GP and after about 3 years sold. But being part of them was interesting (good and bad). Very familiar with their products and mills.
When the Koch Brothers bought them they had just bought Fort James (Howard) and the government stepped in and forced them to sell us.


24 posted on 02/08/2012 1:56:31 PM PST by Recon Dad (Gas & Petroleum Junkie)
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To: Ole Okie
used newsprint is used in the production of the soft papers

This would not be correct. The retail TP you buy, Charmin, Cottonelle, etc is made with 100% virgin paper I have never heard that newsprint was ever added.
Most what we call “Away from home” TP, the kind that is used in office building, hospitals, etc is 100% recycled stock and even in it we never used newsprint. The fibers are too short for much else than newspapers.

25 posted on 02/08/2012 2:04:55 PM PST by Recon Dad (Gas & Petroleum Junkie)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Old growth is always used for lumber. Retail TP which requires virgin fiber in this country comes from fast growing pine.


26 posted on 02/08/2012 2:09:11 PM PST by Recon Dad (Gas & Petroleum Junkie)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
a bulky low-value product like toilet paper, then it’s economic stupidity

If this article was about China the above would be wrong. China was and is shipping commodity TP, towels and napkins over here as we speak. Guess where they get the scrap paper to accomplish this, the USA. And you ask how can they possibly get what we call “ledger” ship it to China and then have it come back here. All those empty containers that carry the Chinese crap over here have to get back to China and shipping them empty actually endangers the ships coming back empty, so they fill them with scrap paper over here for just about nothing.
It drives our scrap prices through the roof but it's still cheaper for them because they don't generate scrap paper like we do. Sorry for the long explanation.

27 posted on 02/08/2012 2:19:08 PM PST by Recon Dad (Gas & Petroleum Junkie)
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To: papertyger

You’re correct about such long trips for a freight intensive product like toilet paper, but they are probably just keeping their economic boat afloat while their markets develop closer to the producers.

I think you’re on the money about them dumping product to keep their machines running. But, the Chinese are building a one World Class paper machine every week and they are shipping commodity towels tissue and napkins over here. They haven’t made a major impact yet, but they have their foot in the Away from Home market. Worst part of the deal is they’re getting their scrap paper from us.


28 posted on 02/08/2012 2:29:51 PM PST by Recon Dad (Gas & Petroleum Junkie)
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To: pabianice

I have never heard of or seen either brand this mentions.


29 posted on 02/10/2012 3:08:37 PM PST by Pilated
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