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Archbishop Dolan urges Obama to back down on birth control
CBS News ^ | 2/9/12 | Corbett B. Daly

Posted on 02/09/2012 5:44:59 AM PST by Elvina

"This was a terribly misguided judgement," Archbishop Timothy Dolan of New York said in an interview of CBS This Morning.

Dolan, who is set to become a cardinal later this month, said he met with Obama in the Oval Office late last year and was promised the White House would work with the Catholic church on a number of issues, including education, healthcare and charitable work.

"I am hoping that this massive negative reaction to this ruling, I am hoping that he will go back to those assurances that he gave me," Dolan said.

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Good interview this morning with the Archbishop, soon to be Cardinal. It's missing some of the best quotes from the interview including this one when the host asks about polls showing that some Catholic women take contraception: "We're not into polls. We're into moral principles."
1 posted on 02/09/2012 5:45:08 AM PST by Elvina
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To: Elvina

No, Bishop, this was not MISGUIDED....it was EVIL. WISE UP!!! He’s ANTI-CATHOLIC!!


2 posted on 02/09/2012 5:46:48 AM PST by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Elvina

This mandate is unconstitutional and can NOT be enforced.

Let’s evaluate Satan’s commitment to Separation of Church and State.


3 posted on 02/09/2012 5:52:06 AM PST by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: Ann Archy

Yes, Archbishop Dolan was being excessively charitable to Obama. He was acting like Obama is a normal, sincere human being.


4 posted on 02/09/2012 5:54:00 AM PST by Elvina (BHO is doubleplus ungood.)
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To: Elvina

Obama may back down until November 7th, but after that he will be full force for four years pushing his ultra-left wing agenda.


5 posted on 02/09/2012 5:54:18 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Elvina

Dear Archbishop Dolan

Why would you even make a deal for “assurances” from a man whose legislative record shows consistent support for abortion

and worse, who voted TWICE against the live birth protection act because of the rationale that ministering to the dying needs of an aborted infant might cause the “mother” to have a conscience attack??

Just curious, Archbishop, what kind of terms and assurances would you expect if you ever dealt with the anti-Christ?


6 posted on 02/09/2012 5:54:31 AM PST by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common- Voltaire)
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To: Elvina

"Mr. 0bama. Hear the roar of our engines. Yea, it's halftime America. Go ahead, Make My Halftime!"

7 posted on 02/09/2012 5:54:52 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Elvina
"This was a terribly misguided judgement," Archbishop Timothy Dolan of New York said"

The problem, though, is that "The One" is NEVER wrong. He may be surrounded by misguided Republicans, misguided Bishops, misguided Bitter Clingers, or misguided Israelis, and misguided Others, but he is NEVER WRONG.

He cannot back down.

8 posted on 02/09/2012 5:59:03 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: silverleaf

These guys never learn. For centuries they’ve been trying to align themselves with power, first with royalty and more recently with the Democratic party. They’ve earned the outcome.


9 posted on 02/09/2012 5:59:31 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: Elvina
The 'Rats had some little retreat and somebody spilled the beans and said Bari wasn't going to back down.

Rumor has it he said if Romney can do it in Massachusetts, I can do it nationally.

10 posted on 02/09/2012 5:59:56 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: ladyjane
Yeah, like these guys Photobucket
11 posted on 02/09/2012 6:06:11 AM PST by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common- Voltaire)
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To: Elvina

Sounds to me like Dolan is trying to prop up Obama.

How can ANY thinking person, honestly, trust this occupier of the executive branch?


12 posted on 02/09/2012 6:09:04 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

“Sounds to me like Dolan is trying to prop up Obama.”

It doesn’t sound that way to me!


13 posted on 02/09/2012 6:12:54 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: silverleaf

There no longer exists a reasonable social consensus in this country. Someday Archbishop Dolan will have to decide how to counsel a young conscience driven Catholic who is asked to take an oath “to uphold and defend the constitution” If Obama and his ilk prevail and the killing of innocent human life is “constitutional”, then how can a reasonable person take such an oath?


14 posted on 02/09/2012 6:14:56 AM PST by allendale
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To: SoFloFreeper; All
Having watched the whole interview, I think he was not pro-Obama overall. He basically said that Obama had lied to him when he assured him that conscience would be protected. He didn't use the word "lie", but that was the idea. He did say that he didn't understand why Obama had gone back on his promise to him. But he stood up for truth and did a good job handling the Lefties.

I can't imagine that he really is bewildered about Obama lying. It seemed to me more like a formal type of deference to the office of the Presidency. This deference is not something that I practice personally, but I understand why some people in the public eye have a need to do so. I think we should applaud the bishops for standing up to Zero, not attack them.

15 posted on 02/09/2012 6:17:55 AM PST by Elvina (BHO is doubleplus ungood.)
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To: Elvina

I agree with you and am SURE that he is using diplomatic language here for wise reasons....but that he is VERY aware of Obama’s anti-life agenda.


16 posted on 02/09/2012 6:21:55 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Ann Archy

WISE UP!!! He’s ANTI-CATHOLIC!!

Among other scurrilous anti’s.


17 posted on 02/09/2012 6:22:19 AM PST by wita
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To: Elvina

In the first place, the Catholic church deserves everything it has recieved from the King. They supported the OBOcare package and they pushed and proded to get the King elected. So, what, now they want to whine and say this isn’t fair. SHUT THE HELL UP. We the lowly un-intelligent ones tried telling you ignorant F—— that 2 years ago before you so lovinly gave OBO the B-J to get OBOcare passed.


18 posted on 02/09/2012 6:23:21 AM PST by ggwyo
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To: Elvina

“I am hoping that he will go back to those assurances that he gave me,” Dolan said.”

Hey, Dolan-—too bad you don’t know when you are being lied to or can’t tell good from evil.


19 posted on 02/09/2012 6:28:33 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: allendale

I believe there is an underlying and large social consensus in this nation that is uneasy or worse about the head that lies on the pillow at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue

However, we lack a reasonable and courageous leader and dark forces are aligned against us getting one

While not a Catholic, I hold some hope for the Pope to stand up against the darkness


20 posted on 02/09/2012 6:28:49 AM PST by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common- Voltaire)
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To: ggwyo

I love the smell of truth in the morning. Unfortunately depending on the results, this november will tell another
tale of truth.


21 posted on 02/09/2012 6:29:45 AM PST by wita
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To: SumProVita

Yes, thanks. If people would watch the whole video at the link I think they would get the idea. The fact that the head of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops is speaking out against Obama is something that all of us should cheer. Hopefully generic anti-Catholicism will not get in the way of people seeing that this opposition to Obama by the bishops is a good thing.


22 posted on 02/09/2012 6:31:04 AM PST by Elvina (BHO is doubleplus ungood.)
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To: Elvina
The Catholic church should issue a simple statement:

"We will not comply with regulations requiring us to offer coverage for abortion and contraception. We will not pay fines resulting from our failure to comply. We will ensure maximum media coverage of your arrests of church leaders"

23 posted on 02/09/2012 6:33:31 AM PST by NY.SS-Bar9
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To: ggwyo

Your response is not called for on this forum. No religious organization in the USA deserves to have the Freedom of Religion clause in the US Constitution denied to them.

Secondly, the RC church and the bishops have no civil authority to stop the government from doing what it wants - other than the constitution! So, they (unhappily) tried to negotiate with the Obama admin’n regarding reassurances of a conscience clause for employers whose sincere religious beliefs were not in syc with the secular despots in office now. Yes, they should have fought the health care bill, but they didn’t.

By-the-way, do you think the rest of our US citizens ought to have their religious freedom curtailed as well? Because, if this decision by HHS stands, then every citizen will have to live with HHS making tyrannical laws about our health care decisions. THIS ISNOT A CATHOLIC ISSUE. It’s only that the bishops are “raising Cain” now, so to speak.


24 posted on 02/09/2012 6:35:36 AM PST by Gumdrop (!!)
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To: wita

So true, the idiots may very well put the King or his white twin back at the helm.


25 posted on 02/09/2012 6:36:34 AM PST by ggwyo
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To: silverleaf

Complete, unmitigated, disproven, discredited CRAP.


26 posted on 02/09/2012 6:39:35 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Gumdrop

In the first place, the Catholic church deserves everything they get.
Second, is that its OBOCARE and it has been in place now for almost 2 years and now they have finally read it. I hope you realize that the public and you are being played as sheep. So now you will pound your drum for the Catholic church and Obama. This is what they want a people that is afraid and that can be led blindly into the abiss. Wake up.

No one deserves to lose any freedoms no matter what freedoms they are. The main one of coarse is the freedom of the individual to chose his/her destiny, not government, not religion, not thier nieghbor, but themselves and God and what that individual decides.


27 posted on 02/09/2012 6:46:24 AM PST by ggwyo
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To: ladyjane

-—These guys never learn. For centuries they’ve been trying to align themselves with power, first with royalty and more recently with the Democratic party. They’ve earned the outcome.-—

The same guys?

What about the bishops in eastern Europe, who defied the communists and helped to bring down the wall?

My point is that there are good and bad bishops, and there always will be.


28 posted on 02/09/2012 6:55:12 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: ggwyo

The only real hope is the American people can feel the future pain that they haven’t felt yet. Obama care is really a work in progress, and the full pain will not be for ten years. Unfortunately I don’t think we are going to last ten years depending on the results of November. Are the sheep awake yet, or are they peacefully ensconced in the sheep fold.


29 posted on 02/09/2012 6:55:34 AM PST by wita
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To: Elvina
said he met with Obama in the Oval Office late last year and was promised the White House would work with the Catholic church on a number of issues, including education, health care and charitable work.

A number of issues, including education, health care and charitable work?

Bishop, soon to be Cardinal, you were suckered.

30 posted on 02/09/2012 7:07:41 AM PST by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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To: SumProVita
“Sounds to me like Dolan is trying to prop up Obama.”

obummer will back down and all of the Catholics Bishops will become re-converted to obama again and the media will hail the great compromiser in chief and pimp his compassion.

That communist, son of a whore, will, with the help of the msm, again turn lemons into lemonade and the great religious divide will disappear.

In October, the Pope will come to DC and say a Mass at the white hut, and obama will give him his personal assurances, that all Catholic institutions will be protected from obamacare {I think Pope Pius had some assurances in the late 30s from another dictator}.

31 posted on 02/09/2012 7:08:14 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke The Terrorist Savages)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
Obama may back down until November 7th

And if The One is saddled with such a stinging humiliation, you can be sure he will immediately come back at us twice as hard and with a vengeance.

32 posted on 02/09/2012 7:15:29 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: USS Alaska

“...all of the Catholics Bishops will become re-converted to obama...”

1. ALL of the bishops did NOT support Obama. Several warned about him.

2. I seriously doubt that the others who were somewhat accepting of Obama will be fooled a second time.

It’s interesting to see many liberal-leaning Catholics whom I know begin to “wake up” regarding this anti-life Marxist.


33 posted on 02/09/2012 7:24:18 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Catholic leaders would have been wise to re-read the fable of the Frog and the Scorpion.

The stupidity demonstrated with regards to Obama is astounding.


34 posted on 02/09/2012 7:24:47 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Elvina

Dolan SHOULD have called in an Exorcist when they met!!


35 posted on 02/09/2012 7:30:09 AM PST by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: NY.SS-Bar9; narses

Archbishop Dolan referred several times in the interview this morning to Obama’s statement in the Notre Dame commencement speech that he would protect conscience rights. This was widely praised at the time as a positive sign among all of Obama’s negatives. Now I guess it’s just all negatives.


36 posted on 02/09/2012 7:56:09 AM PST by Elvina (BHO is doubleplus ungood.)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

You feel the Catholic church has not tried to align itself with power? For centuries the church and nobility were aligned and practically interchangeable. Isn’t a cardinal considered a ‘prince’ of the church?

More recently the church has curried favor with primarily the Democratic party in its efforts for social justice.

These same bishops supported ObamaCare. They’ve supported illegal immigration. For decades they made sure non-believers had no access to contraception. Did you know that years ago you could not even buy condoms in some states?

They’ve aligned themselves with power to promote their agenda. Now they’ve been betrayed by the very people they’ve been supporting.


37 posted on 02/09/2012 8:03:54 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: ladyjane

Think you’ve got some of this backwards. Royalty was far more concerned about aligning with the Church than the Church ever was about aligning with royalty. Take the Crusades, for example. Then look at Henry II & Henri IV, and even Henry VIII. Then look at the French Revolution where, indeed, priests, nuns, bishops were slaughtered along with aristos. Then take a look at Cardinal (”Prince,” as you say) Mindszenty, among countless other examples of standing up to power—royal or not.

And, as Aquinas (FR name) mentions, there are good and bad bishops, as there are good and bad politicians, kings, presidents, teachers, etc. How certain bishops behave or react has nothing to do with the tenets of their Church.


38 posted on 02/09/2012 8:58:11 AM PST by Mach9
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To: Mach9

Backwards? I have seen little evidence of the Democratic party trying to align itself with the Catholic church or support its beliefs. To the contrary.

Leaders of the church, OTOH, have bent over backwards supporting the Democrats and their socialist programs. Notre Dame gave Obama, who supports abortion, an honorary degree. Georgetown allowed Obama, who supports abortion, to speak at the school and complied with demands to cover the crucifix! The bishops have openly and strongly supported the administration’s programs for illegals and socialized medicine.

The church should stay out of politics.


39 posted on 02/09/2012 9:27:22 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: Elvina
Approximately 2,700 pages in the 0bamacare package that was passed by congress in a matter of HOURS after it was released ! There is no way congress or any one else could have known what it all meant.

I ask my doctor for her opinion of 0bamacare. Her statement: "Somethings need to be changed. BUT this is too much, too fast".

I have dozens of doctors within a 5 mile radius of my home, yet I drive 35 miles one way to her office because she is an excellent and respected physician who's concerns are for her patients.

Today the Catholic Church is begging for exemptions from our government. Who will be next?

Here in the middle of the US hospitals with religious names come to mind. Trinity Lutheran Hospital, Barnes-Jewish Hospital, Baptist Memorial Health Care and others.

I have a relative who received great care and attention at a Baptist Hospital in Memphis, Tennessee, however I could not think of the exact name so I googled.

Up came Baptist Memorial Health Care with 14 hospitals and 2,700 physician providers in 34 specialties is available to give skilled care.

One of the pages at the Baptist Memorial Health Care web site has the following:

"Because we believe in the total care of patients, our Pastoral Care department concentrates on the spiritual needs of our patients". Spiritual Needs ....!

The entire web page can be found at http://www.bmhcc.org/whyus/

First they came for the .....

Next they came ......

Next ....

The Founding Fathers did not want a "State Religion". Today we are facing a state religion here in the US, it is The Religion of Socialism.

40 posted on 02/09/2012 10:09:59 AM PST by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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To: ladyjane

First of all, if the Church stayed out of politics, this ridulous mandate would stand. Now it won’t.

Secondly, you’re quite right about what certain bishops have sacrificed for the greater glory of the Rat party. This isn’t unique to America, but it’s a relatively new phenomenon, perhaps because of the whole (frequently misunderstood) notion of democracy. The Church, thank the Lord, is NOT a democracy, but many priests, bishops, and cardinals—because they’re all fallible human beings—seem to believe that it’s okay to defy Church principles in the name of democracy or, more crudely, polls. They are not “the Church.” Nor is Notre Dame or Georgetown. Nor are Biden, Pelosi, Cuomo, Kennedys, Kerry, Daschle, McCulsky, Daly, etc. Painting the Church with their brushes isn’t just unfair, it’s ugly.

We agree, I’m sure, that it’s about time that the individual bishops (not “the Church”) saw the light, in the light of their duties to their Church—not to mention their duties as American citizens to call out those who violate their oaths to the U. S. Constitution.


41 posted on 02/09/2012 10:15:36 AM PST by Mach9
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To: Elvina; netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; ...
  The following comments from one of my state senators, totally infuriated me.

"I am dumbfounded that in the year 2012 we still are fighting about birth control," said Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand of New York

"It is sad that we have to stand here yet again to fight back against another overreach and intrusion on women's lives," said Gillibrand, a Catholic. "The power to decide whether or not to use contraception lies with a woman, not her boss."

Not surprisingly, the local media interviewed catholics and found a 73 year old woman at the Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception, whose comments mirrored those of Senator Gillibrand.

I fault the bishops who, for the past half century, have ignored this topic and others, of a 'controversial' nature, when addressing their congregants. Ignorant catholics are a product of poor catechesis - misinformed and misguided. You cannot reap what you have not sown.

Catholic Ping
Please freepmail me if you want on/off this list


42 posted on 02/09/2012 3:11:18 PM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: Elvina

Maybe Santorum is on to something. Archbishop Dolan may have preached against contraception but he would be the exception. Let’s hear it from the pulpit along with shacking up. We have to be preaching to our own people before politicians will listen. Cardinal O’Boyle should still be alive.


43 posted on 02/09/2012 3:40:06 PM PST by ex-snook ("above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: ladyjane
Notre Dame and Georgetown aren't "the Church" and you confuse prudential statements with the actual teaching of the Church.

By the way, did you make any comments on any of the numerous threads detailing the condemnation of both Notre Dame and Georgetown by the majority of Bishops in the United States?

44 posted on 02/09/2012 4:20:26 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: NYer
We have the two worst US senators don't we...Chucky and Kristy! Mr. Dumb and Mrs. Dumber. They both give new meaning to the word IDIOTS.

I wholeheartedly agree with you that the Bishops have failed in the teaching of Humanae Vitae, although there were many so-called moral theologians who did the real damage. What is needed today is a change of heart, and Obama by his gross actions may just have angered enough sleeping Catholics as well as people of other faiths to become true soldiers of Christ.

45 posted on 02/09/2012 4:36:10 PM PST by Gerish (Feed your faith and your doubts will starve to death.)
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To: Gerish; Liz
What is needed today is a change of heart, and Obama by his gross actions may just have angered enough sleeping Catholics as well as people of other faiths to become true soldiers of Christ.

Time to commit this to prayer. As for our state representatives and senators, you can send them a pre-composed letter Click here. I embellised the text by including Gillibrand's nonsensical comments. Go ahead and give them all an ear ful!

46 posted on 02/09/2012 4:44:44 PM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: Elvina

Cardinal designate Dolan, the time for talk is over.

Deus Vult.


47 posted on 02/09/2012 4:52:43 PM PST by AliVeritas (Pray. God's will be done. Abortion leaves two victims, the mother and the child.)
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To: ladyjane; silverleaf
For centuries they’ve been trying to align themselves with power, first with royalty and more recently with the Democratic party.

While I can appreciate your perception of history, your statement is misguided by your opinion. I would suggest you review the following.

To What Political Party Does the Catholic Church Belong?

48 posted on 02/09/2012 4:55:57 PM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer
“It is sad that we have to stand here yet again to fight back against another overreach and intrusion on women's lives,” said Gillibrand, a Catholic. “The power to decide whether or not to use contraception lies with a woman, not her boss.”

Why do these Liberals feel the need for someone else to pay for their contraception? The Catholic Church is full of sinners, but they shouldn't be required to pay for the sin.

The Catholic Church states clearly their faith based principles, and they do not force anyone to sin or use contraceptives (or not to use them). So why does the government feel that they are entitled to force others to pay for something that goes against their principles?

This is about the government forcing this and taking away our God given human rights. What is next?

49 posted on 02/09/2012 5:29:44 PM PST by ADSUM (Body of Christ is the Church, gathered around the crucified risen Lord and fed by Him in Communion.)
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To: Elvina
I hope Obozo doesn't back down. I hope that rat B@$T@RD @$$ H@T pushes to the very bitter end , so that everyone will see what an evil despicable hate monger he really is. I want all the Catholics to see just how anti Catholic he truly is. /rant
50 posted on 02/09/2012 6:53:23 PM PST by verga (Protestant puppies have their eyes closed, Catholic ones have their eyes open.)
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