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First new nuclear reactors OK'd in over 30 years
CNN Breaking News ^ | 2/9/12 | Steve Hargreaves

Posted on 02/09/2012 10:22:34 AM PST by kidd

The U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission approved licenses to build two new nuclear reactors Thursday

(Excerpt) Read more at money.cnn.com ...


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Southern Nuclear was given the COL (combined construction and operating license) for Vogtle-3 and -4 in Georgia, using the Westinghouse AP1000 design.

This was the last hoop to jump through. The plants will be on-line in 2016 and 2017.

We're building nuclear plants again!

1 posted on 02/09/2012 10:22:44 AM PST by kidd
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To: kidd

The econuts will stop these nuke plants in court.


2 posted on 02/09/2012 10:24:20 AM PST by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: kidd

Jaw just dropped on the floor.

Okay, legislators. Let’s see if you can fricken do it again!

Approve a new crude oil refinery or two and then some coal-powered power plants!


3 posted on 02/09/2012 10:25:58 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: wolfpat

Ping


4 posted on 02/09/2012 10:26:52 AM PST by Constitution Day
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To: kidd

Well, now we know why Malahi ruled the way he did, huh?


5 posted on 02/09/2012 10:27:17 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: kidd

Transparent political move by Bam to offset energy related re-election criticism for disapproving the pipeline. Pathetic, weakling, panty-waist slight-of-hand!!!


6 posted on 02/09/2012 10:29:41 AM PST by GoldenPup
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To: kidd
Before anyone starts saying that the free market supports nuclear power.
The plants are being built with the help of a conditional $8.3 billion loan guarantee from the Department of Energy. The loan guarantee is part of DOE's broader loan program that has been criticized for backing companies like Solyndra, the bankrupt maker of solar panels.

The Southern spokesman said the loan guarantee, combined with other regulatory measures, enable the project to receive cheaper financing that will ultimately save ratepayers $1 billion.


7 posted on 02/09/2012 10:29:47 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: ConservaTexan
I think they'll let them build it for the jobs,
But they will never see the heat from a nuclear rod.
8 posted on 02/09/2012 10:30:07 AM PST by Falcon4.0
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To: kidd

Would I be cynical in assuming that the hoops you have to jump through to get final bureaucratic approval (forms in triplicate, redundant hearings, manually processed forms - with carbon paper!, sitting in inboxes for months on end) would make the whole thing absolutely impracticable?


9 posted on 02/09/2012 10:30:58 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Controlling RINOs in Congress is like herding cats; should we be surprised Newt got scratched?)
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To: Gaffer

Was there ever any doubt about there being a payoff?? Otherwise, how could he find in favor of someone that was in comtempt of court and didn’t show up or present any evidence?

I’m still happy though that we are again building reactors.


10 posted on 02/09/2012 10:32:46 AM PST by Crazy ole coot (Mr. obama and Sen. Rubio are NOT Natural Born Citizens.)
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To: kidd

AWESOME Great news


12 posted on 02/09/2012 10:34:04 AM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Falcon4.0

Bingo! They don’t care about the jobs, they want the owners to take huge losses. Lawsuits will not be filed until it is time to start the splitting.


13 posted on 02/09/2012 10:35:59 AM PST by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: Crazy ole coot

Me too. But if it really was the reactor approval buyoff that stopped him from ruling like he should have, I’d have taken the temporary hit to have this go nationwide.


14 posted on 02/09/2012 10:37:17 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: COBOL2Java

I’ll get in line on that one. I perceive this as Barry wanting the ability to posture; that he personally enabled this so that consumers and businesses would benefit. I also perceive a very long process of more bureacracy before a the first shovel of dirt is turned.


15 posted on 02/09/2012 10:37:47 AM PST by Made In The USA (This post may be recorded for quality purposes.)
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To: kidd
The U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission approved licenses to build two new nuclear reactors Thursday

We're building nuclear plants again!

And we're buildin' 'em Thursday!

16 posted on 02/09/2012 10:38:06 AM PST by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Crazy ole coot

“I’m still happy though that we are again building reactors.”

I’ll be happy when I see them come on line. This is electioneering at its best. Or worst, I guess. Zero has no thought of allowing nukes.


17 posted on 02/09/2012 10:38:26 AM PST by jessduntno ("Newt Gingrich was part of the Reagan Revolution's Murderers' Row." - Jeffrey Lord, Reagan Admin.)
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To: kidd

Pinch me!

Who’da thunk we’d ever build another plant anywhere after China Syndrome , Chernobyl and Fukushima?

a thousand carbon credit traders just had goosebumps and cold shivers.


18 posted on 02/09/2012 10:46:57 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Agreed, Also instead of building the Keystone XL pipeline, why not build a refinery in North Dakota, plenty of oil from Canada and North Dakota and with the rail lines refined petrol could be shipped out to supply the Northern USA with plenty of oil. Why ship it ALL the way to Houston just to refine it?

Of Course the greenies would flip a biscuit if we built any more refineries.


19 posted on 02/09/2012 10:49:55 AM PST by GraceG
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To: kidd

Don’t get your hopes up. You are unlikely to see even a single KW produced by these 2 plants. There are so many obstacles before the reactor can actually produce power. Case in point..Long Island Lighting had completely finished building a nuclear power plant. But it never produced any power. Reason? The local authorities nixed it because they claimed there was danger of people evacuation problem in case of a nuclear accident.

Keep in mind no one has been killed in US, Europe, India and other democratic countries due to faulty reactor design. Tsunami’s & massive earthquakes do not happen in most places.


20 posted on 02/09/2012 10:50:23 AM PST by entropy12 (Islam is intolerant of every other religion. Western countries are finally learning this.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Oil refineries are being closed and the existing plants are running at low capacity.


21 posted on 02/09/2012 10:50:32 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Beware the Sweater Vest)
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To: NormsRevenge

The Chinese are going to get the jump on us with Liquid Thorium Flouride Reactors while we are still waiting on environmental studies...


22 posted on 02/09/2012 10:54:04 AM PST by GraceG
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To: kidd

Hooray!!!!!!!!

Does this include getting past all the lawsuits from the communist anti-Americans?

There is no legitimate reason that we can’t build 10 nuclear power plants a year for the next 3 or 4 years. The left uses “environmental concerns” to attack our nation and make us weak.


23 posted on 02/09/2012 10:56:24 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: All

I see a lot of posts here about “scams”, “lawsuits”, etc. Please let me reply:

The nuclear industry hasn’t been sitting on its hands for the past 30 years. They’ve worked with the NRC to institute an alternate approval process.

Both the nuclear industry and the NRC saw that the old approval process was ripe for abuses - one that allowed anyone with an agenda to slow the project to a halt. Neither the industry or the regulator benefited from these delays.

The new process still allows challenges to a new license. But such challenges have their specific time in the schedule. Those times have passed for Vogtle-3 and4 .

All of the site and design challenges happened prior to Obama’s influence.

This is it. They WILL be built, and they WILL operate.


24 posted on 02/09/2012 10:58:48 AM PST by kidd
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To: Made In The USA
I also perceive a very long process of more bureacracy before a the first shovel of dirt is turned.

I predict a process at least as mind-numbingly Vogon-class cumbersome as Washington DC's procedure for acquiring a handgun, as documented in Emily Miller's Washington Times blog, Emily Gets Her Gun

"So - you want to build a nuclear power plant, eh?"


25 posted on 02/09/2012 11:02:11 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Controlling RINOs in Congress is like herding cats; should we be surprised Newt got scratched?)
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To: entropy12

The licensing process has changed since Shoreham.

There are no more challenges that can be made.


26 posted on 02/09/2012 11:02:11 AM PST by kidd
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To: Made In The USA
I also perceive a very long process of more bureacracy before a the first shovel of dirt is turned.

The Vogtle plants are past that hurdle.

The new process separates challenges to the siting of the nuclear plant from the design of the plant. The Vogtle plants passed those parts already.

Many shovels of dirt have already been turned for site prep. Here is a pic of the new Vogtle site:


27 posted on 02/09/2012 11:07:08 AM PST by kidd
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To: kidd

You seem to be in the know, so I’d like to pick your brain,.....

If memory serves there were two reactors that had started winding through the process in S/SE Texas. I seem to recall at least one of the utilities involved getting cold feet. I believe NRG was one of the companies involved.

Are you aware of the status of these reactors are they dead, ongoing, or in limbo?

Thanks for the time.


28 posted on 02/09/2012 11:09:21 AM PST by thinkthenpost
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To: GraceG
Also instead of building the Keystone XL pipeline, why not build a refinery in North Dakota, plenty of oil from Canada and North Dakota and with the rail lines refined petrol could be shipped out to supply the Northern USA with plenty of oil. Why ship it ALL the way to Houston just to refine it?

Is it true they are "flairing" the Natural Gas?

If so that is a sin and a Gas to Liquid ( GTL ) plant to get it converted to a very clean diesel fuel would be a quick win / win.

29 posted on 02/09/2012 11:10:18 AM PST by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: kidd

“The U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission approved licenses to build two new nuclear reactors Thursday”

It must be an election year...with a bit of concern on the part of this incumbent.


30 posted on 02/09/2012 11:10:23 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: GraceG
The Chinese are going to get the jump on us with Liquid Thorium Flouride Reactors while we are still waiting on environmental studies...

This is where we should be going.

31 posted on 02/09/2012 11:11:58 AM PST by Digger (If RINO is your selection then failure is your election)
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To: kidd

I’m far to cynical on this stuff, good to see some actual progress on a new nuclear plant.


32 posted on 02/09/2012 11:13:26 AM PST by Made In The USA (This post may be recorded for quality purposes.)
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To: jessduntno; Gaffer; GoldenPup; Crazy ole coot; Made In The USA

The issuing of the Combined Operating License is the culmination of many years of work by a lot of people. The US Nuclear Regulatory Commission issued a Design Certification of the AP1000 plant being built in Georgia just before Christmas last year.

In regulatory space, a reactor design consortium has to show that the design meets specific minimum design criteria. If it meets those criteria, then the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission has no choice but to issue the Design Certification.

Similarly, for a site, the applicant has to show that a certified design is being used and that the site is suitable. Given that the Vogtle site already has two Westinghouse pressurized water reactors of an earlier vintage operating, the site suitability demonstration is rather easy. Again, if the criteria are met, then the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission must issue the Combined Operating License.

Bottom Line: Obama had nothing to do with the issuance of the Combined Opedrating Licenses for Vogtle 3 and 4.


33 posted on 02/09/2012 11:14:05 AM PST by bagman
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To: kidd
This is it. They WILL be built, and they WILL operate.

I hear Savannah is getting the port dredged for larger vessels for international trade.

Combine this with a lower cost and consistant energy source with these plants and I can see Georgia as a manufacturing and shipping dynamo in the American Economy in the next 5 to 10 years.

I see Catapillar is looking for a new Manufacturing Facility...

Georgia Baby, Georgia is the answer..

34 posted on 02/09/2012 11:15:16 AM PST by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: ConservaTexan

Too late. The courts have no jurisdiction over them. Once the COL is issued, only the NRC can stop construction activities.


35 posted on 02/09/2012 11:17:10 AM PST by nuke rocketeer (File CONGRESS.SYS corrupted: Re-boot Washington D.C (Y/N)?)
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To: entropy12

The COL is a Construction Operating Liscense. If the local inspectors certify it is built to the approved design, 0bama cannot stop it from producing power. There will be no more hearings and no way for the anti-nuke fanatics to interfere.


36 posted on 02/09/2012 11:21:19 AM PST by nuke rocketeer (File CONGRESS.SYS corrupted: Re-boot Washington D.C (Y/N)?)
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To: kidd
First new nuclear reactors OK'd in over 30 years

Read my virtual lips: THEY WILL NEVER BE BUILT.

Either the eco-commies will shut it down, or Obama himself will, or the economy will crash to the point where no power plants will be built.

This country is DONE as a leading nation in the world. Our destruction is ahead, and there are no brakes left.

37 posted on 02/09/2012 11:21:32 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: entropy12

In principle, the experience to which you refer (the Shoreham plant on Long Island) cannot be repeated. In the licensing regime at the time that the Shoreham plant was being built, a construction permit was issued, which allowed the plant to be built. Before it could be operated, an operating license had be issued. At Shoreham, the operating license was never issued and the plant never operated (except for low power startup testing).

In the licensing regime today, the construction permit and the operating license are combined into a Combined Operating License (COL). It is a one-step process. In the case of Vogtle, all of the necessary hearings have been held and all of the intervenor questions have been resolved to the satisfaction of the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission.

While one cannot rule out what a court might do, with the issuance of the COL, the utility simply (nothing to it) needs to build the plant according to the approved design and then it can start it up. No more licensing is needed.


38 posted on 02/09/2012 11:21:48 AM PST by bagman
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To: thinkthenpost
Are you aware of the status of these reactors are they dead, ongoing, or in limbo? Dead. Tokyo Electric (TEPCO), the owner of Fukushima, was a major investor, and they pulled their stake after last March.
39 posted on 02/09/2012 11:24:30 AM PST by nuke rocketeer (File CONGRESS.SYS corrupted: Re-boot Washington D.C (Y/N)?)
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To: GraceG

My brother used to work for Shell Chemical.
He said a new refinerery costs nearly 20B to build and that doesn’t include the 20 years it would take to get it approved by the EPA.

A very good question but the answer is kind of sad.


40 posted on 02/09/2012 11:26:45 AM PST by Zathras
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To: taildragger

Yup, and you could use that “Waste natural Gas” to basically run you refinery and to GTL as well.


41 posted on 02/09/2012 11:27:15 AM PST by GraceG
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To: thinkthenpost

Not cold feet. Money.

TEPCO was the main investor in the project. Then Fukushima happened.

Now TEPCO is broke.

To the best of my knowledge, the project is officially in limbo, but it is as good as dead.


42 posted on 02/09/2012 11:33:39 AM PST by kidd
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To: FreeAtlanta

Actually, there are a few reasons...

There are no American manufacturers of the large components necessary for a nuclear power plant. The components all have long lead times for specifications and fabrication.

They all went away because of lack of demand and will need a few years to get to where the components can be manufactured in the US on a large scale of ten nuclear power plants a year. I am talking about the reactor vessel, the pressurizer, and the steam generators and last but not least, the large steam turbines and generators. You can’t jest go to Grainger and order a few.

San Onofre recently replaced four steam generators. They were made in Japan by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries. And they are showing evidence of excessive wear and leaks after one fuel cycle. Made in Japan.....Google that.

Where are you going to get the engineers and the skilled craft to put together a nuclear power plant? This country isn’t producing engineers at the moment. Most of the engineers and craft that built the 120 or so power plants in the US at the moment are retired or retiring or trying to train the young skulls of mush before they get to retire. My personal experience with the new engineers was that they didn’t want to work that hard, didn’t have any fundamentals, were more interested in spending the large salaries they got coming out of college, and moved onto something easier as soon as they could plus they had no respect for their elders.

Building a nuclear power plant isn’t like mowing a lawn. There is a huge beaurocratic nightmare involved. Have you eseen the personnel required by regulations to work at a nuclear power plant? It isn’t just engineers, maintenance, and operators. A lot of people are needed to ensure compliance with the black hole of federal regulations. Take a look at the CFR’s for nuclear power plants. Mind boggling in their arcane complexity.

This country has a long ways to go, a few light years, before we will be able to build ten nuclear power plants a year.


43 posted on 02/09/2012 11:38:36 AM PST by montomike (Politics should be about service and not a lucrative, money-making opportunity!)
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To: kidd

NIMBY Alert!


44 posted on 02/09/2012 11:39:11 AM PST by newsbot
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To: taildragger
Georgia Baby, Georgia is the answer..

I think you're right.

45 posted on 02/09/2012 11:39:32 AM PST by kidd
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To: kidd

Fear of “climate-change” has benefits.


46 posted on 02/09/2012 11:41:11 AM PST by wallcrawlr
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To: kidd

I know people that work at STP. Units 3 and 4 are dead. NRG cannot get any money to build them, and natural gas is cheap now.


47 posted on 02/09/2012 11:42:42 AM PST by nuke rocketeer (File CONGRESS.SYS corrupted: Re-boot Washington D.C (Y/N)?)
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To: montomike
CE used to have the facilities in what was it Monongahela where they made stuff for their "Bowl Mills" and was that where they also made the Reactors Vessels as well?

I know they sold their ability to make these large parts...

48 posted on 02/09/2012 11:44:30 AM PST by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: montomike
I work for Westinghouse. We are owned by Toshiba. Toshiba had considered building a heavy forging plant to make reactor vessels, but the environmental permitting is a nightmare designed to never allow such facilities to ever be built in the US again.

Bettis Labs, who makes Navy reactors also looked into expanding their facilities to make large civilian reactors and also were turned off by the permitting requirements.

49 posted on 02/09/2012 11:48:11 AM PST by nuke rocketeer (File CONGRESS.SYS corrupted: Re-boot Washington D.C (Y/N)?)
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To: NormsRevenge

Fishing ouround the on in Crystal River, Fl is great fun!!!!


50 posted on 02/09/2012 11:50:19 AM PST by goseminoles
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