Skip to comments.Rick Warren tweets: ‘I’d go to jail rather than cave in’ on Obamacare mandate
Posted on 02/09/2012 3:48:43 PM PST by NYer
LAKE FOREST, CALIFORNIA, February 9, 2012, (LifeSiteNews.com) Rick Warren, perhaps the nation’s most influential evangelical pastor, has tweeted he would “go to jail” rather than cave in to a government mandate that violates God’s commandments.
Pastor Rick Warren, pastor of the 20,000-member Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California, tweeted his defiance of the Obama administration’s requirements that religious institutions cover all forms of contraception, including abortifacients like Ella and the IUD, as part of their health care plans.
On Tuesday, Warren addressed the issue three times on his Twitter feed.
I’d go to jail rather than cave in to a govement [sic.] mandate that violates what God commands us to do. Would you? Acts 5:29, he wrote.
The second message quoted that verse of Scripture: “We gave you strict orders not to teach in this name” The apostles replied “We must obey God rather than men!” Acts 5:29
Pastor Warren’s third tweet stated, I’m not a Catholic but I stand in 100% solidarity with my brothers & sisters to practice their belief against govt pressure.
Warren has been called “America’s most influential spiritual leader” and Americas Pastor. His 2002 book, The Purpose Driven Life, sold more than 30 million copies.
Warren’s words come as a particularly stinging indictment to Barack Obama, who chose Warren to give the invocation at his presidential inauguration in January 2009.
Warren’s comments come as part of a flurry of evangelical condemnation of the mandate, which goes into effect for religious institutions in 2013.
On Wednesday, Dr. Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Conventions Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission (ERLC) and one of Time magazine’s Twenty-five Most Influential Evangelicals in America,” told LifeSiteNews.com “we will not comply” with the mandate.
“We want the law changed, or else were going to write our letters from the Nashville jail, just like Dr. King wrote his from the Birmingham jail,” Dr. Land told LifeSiteNews.
Dr. Land urged all Southern Baptist pastors to preach from the pulpit just how serious and dangerous this initiative by the Obama administration is,” and “encourage their parishioners to contact their congressmen and their senators and the president and let them know how deeply unhappy they are with this decision.
Dr. Albert Mohler, president of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, said evangelical Christians may be required to face imprisonment over the issue last Tuesday, announcing on his daily podcast, You at least have to admire the courage of the Roman Catholic bishops in saying they are willing to go to jail rather than to comply with this. How many evangelical presidents and pastors and leaders would be willing to do the same?
“We’re going to find out in coming months,” he warned.
Numerous Orthodox and Protestant churches have joined Roman Catholics in stating the provision, adopted as part of the president’s health care reform bill, violates religious liberty and undermines the First Amendment.Click “like” if you want to end abortion!
The man who has constantly played footsie with the Democrats has suddenly found his spine?
Sounds like a terrorist per Homeland Security, maybe I should ping my list. Janet will probably be happy to accomodate him. Hard to believe we’ve gotten here so quickly.
My guess is that a lot of these guys will find some weasel words somewhere and won’t go to jail over this.
re: The man who has constantly played footsie with the Democrats has suddenly found his spine?
I am glad he did. Meanwhile I do wonder why he found his spine. Afterall, to play footsie with the Democrats one has to ignore or condone a lot of unBiblical stands.
I see Warren’s church, books, and speaking schedule must be taking some hits. He let 0bama’s answer on the point of conception ride.
There are consequences.
You mean like the graduated tax code?
"Thou shall not steal" Yet, people will vote so that government steals for them.
And who shall we steal from? From those who have what we covet. We look at those who have more than we do and decide it's ok to steal from them.
To justify that theft, we tell lies about those from whom we steal, (They are greedy, selfish and take from others, etc.) so we are socially justified to steal from them!
As it is, despite our stated philosophy of all being equal, our tax code discriminates and pits groups of Americans against one another and all for the lowest of reasons.
And does so in violation of at least 3 of the 10 Commandments.
But isn't that what you'd expect from DemonRats?
This guy is a fraud. He will cave.
Bozo is not subject to going to jail. Just fines designed to make his business stop providing health insurance so that everybody is forced into a government-run health insurance pool.
Them fleas kinda itch, don’t they Pastor Rick?
Maybe a DUI....but that's about it.
Can you feel me???
If we leave the Obamists in power, it will eventually come to this. We all need to be prepared for it.
Not just jail, but child custody fights, lawsuits that can bankrupt you, and when it happens you probably won’t have a lot of friends.
This may be the first thing he’s done that I can respect.
There is not gonna be any jail over this. Zer() is merely taking away from us something that he will selectively give back, in piece-meal fashion. Not only is he the food stamp president, but he is the waiver president as well. He takes away so that he can give back... especially in states he needs to win in November. I could possibly go further, and call this a rope-a-dope situation, but I don't know enough about Warren.
Rick Warren SHOULD go to jail for being an accessory to the crime of Obama’s destruction of our liberties. Three years ago, Warren gave his pulpit over to the Corrupter in Chief. Any pator who allows another in his pulpit is repsonsible for those who do speak in it.
Sure, no one can know everything a speaker will do thereafter. But, Warren was told by everyone, close friend to far acquaintance, that Obama would do exactly as he has done and plans to do. Since Warren disregarded them for the moment’s fame and popularity gain of allowing Obama to speak, he now needs to apologize for it, or we need to write icabod over the doors of Saddleback since their leader is a popularist who will not admit his faults.
Rick Warren’s EXCUSE MAKING for ABORTIONISTS suddenly NOW decides to be PRO-LIFE?
What happened? When he was yucking it up with Gore and Clinton giving them political cover for supporting the continued legalization of partial-birth abortion he seemed to want to trade ANY belief for “elbow rubbing” with Presidents.
RICK WARREN IS A FRAUD. A Wolf in sheep’s clothing. Maybe he should go back to meeting with dictators like Bashar and Kim Jung Ill. Or hosts Muslim clerics in his Church.
I wonder about people who are fooled by him. Or Obama.
Sometimes I feel like a phony Christian/Catholic because I’m such a sinner. Wow, just wow.
Levitcus 19:35 You shall do no wrong in judgment, in measurement of weight, or capacity. 36 You shall have just balances, just weights, a just ephah, and a just hin; I am the LORD your God, who brought you out from the land of Egypt. 37 You shall thus observe all My statutes and all My ordinances and do them; I am the LORD.
Proverbs 11:1 A false balance is an abomination to the LORD, But a just weight is His delight.
Proverbs 16:11 Honest scales and balances are from the LORD; all the weights in the bag are of his making.
Proverbs 20:10 Differing weights and differing measures--the LORD detests them both.
Proverbs 20:23 The LORD detests differing weights, and dishonest scales do not please him.
Hosea 12:7 The merchant uses dishonest scales; he loves to defraud.
Ezekiel 45:10 You shall have just balances, a just ephah and a just bath. 11 The ephah and the bath shall be [l]the same quantity, so that the bath will contain a tenth of a homer and the ephah a tenth of a homer;
I agree. Both threads showed up at the same time and while I had the list copied I just posted this one because it was handy. I have nothing but contempt for Brough Rick.
I and a number of other close friends stopped going to a local Church that was using Warren’s home group Bible study videos right after Warren gave the big Zero cover by hosted that Obama/McCain love fest/debate.
He should just do a big Jimmy Swaggart tearful apology on national TV and then maybe then he might have cred.
Woke up a little late, didn’t you Pastor Rick?
Now that the cows are out he wants to close the barn doors ... Hmmmm
The debate he moderated with Obama was about the only good thing that happened for the Republicans in that campaign.
When I read closer it sounded like he really meant that he was perfectly willing for Catholics to go to jail for their religious freedom.
He went to bed with a dog, he’s letting other people wake up with the fleas.
You wrote: “Warren was told by everyone, close friend to far acquaintance, that Obama would do exactly as he has done and plans to do. Since Warren disregarded them for the moments fame and popularity gain of allowing Obama to speak, he now needs to apologize for it, or we need to write icabod over the doors of Saddleback since their leader is a popularist who will not admit his faults.”
And let’s not forget about Joel Hunter, either. He’s another naive leader of the sheep Obama intends to shear. Not only do so many of these “religious leaders” lack discernment, those who “flock” to hear them speak every week, are no different. IE: “The blind leading the blind”.
Here are merely the tip of the iceberg of the “Joel Hunter” quotes I have in my archives. Not listed yet, (because it’s late), are all his quotes backing Al Gore’s stupid, and now debunked, “Global Warming” movie. The ones where he bashes Rush, Hannity, Fox, and anyone else who stands in the way of his agenda, and that of the “fame” he enjoys as an Obama stooge. I’ll post those quotes later.
These are merely a few excerpts of what I have on his latest comments:
February 9, 2012 4:00 A.M.
By The Editors
....Joel Hunter, one of Obamas pet pastors, says this policy can be nuanced. (I have come to bring nuance, as Matthew 10:34 does not say. ) He is wrong. [[[ Matthew 10:35-36 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn “’a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law— a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household ]]]] .....”
White House seeks to soothe concerns over contraception rule
By Peter Wallsten and Sandhya Somashekhar, Published: February 7, 2012
There are conversations right now to arrange a meeting to talk with folks about how this policy can be nuanced, said Joel C. Hunter, a Florida megachurch pastor who has grown personally close to Obama and advised his White House on religious issues. This is so fixable, and we just want to get into the conversation. ....
[[[[ Hunter and several other outside Obama advisers reject the charge that the president is anti-religion, but they say the Health and Human Services rule was a policy mistake with negative political consequences. : http://www.washingtonpost.qznewz.info/politics/obama-advisors-seek-compromise-on-contraception-rule/2012/02/06/gIQAlUwrwQ_story.html ]]]]
....So far, work this thing through is just the sugar-coated version of force you to comply, Anthony R. Picarello Jr., general counsel for the conference, said in an e-mail.
Last week, priests around the country read from their pulpits strongly worded letters from Catholic leaders condemning the administrations actions. And group officials said they have been told in no uncertain terms that there will be no reversing of the policy. ....
Sen. Barbara Boxer (Calif.), one of a number of Democratic lawmakers who had lobbied Obama to keep the religious exemption narrow, called Axelrod for assurances that his remarks reflected no change of heart. The presidential adviser was very clear that this decision is the same as it was before, Boxer said. ....”
Obama Admin Talks About Backing Off New Obamacare Mandate
by Steven Ertelt | Washington, DC | LifeNews.com | 2/7/12 6:07 PM
...Meanwhile, Pastor Joel C. Hunter, a Florida pastor who is a close Obama ally and a member of his faith council, told the Washington Post today that several religious groups with close ties to Obama officials have approached the administration about changing the mandate. http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-advisors-seek-compromise-on-contraception-rule/2012/02/06/gIQAlUwrwQ_story.html
There are conversations right now to arrange a meeting to talk with folks about how this policy can be nuanced, he said. This is so fixable, and we just want to get into the conversation.
But the Post indicated officials with the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops say no Obama administration staffers have talked with them about their concerns and mitigating the problems.
Obama Admin. Pulls Faith Leaders on Health Care Bill
Alicia Cohn | January 28, 2011
Being a pastor is like being a parent: Youre only doing as good as your most vulnerable family member, the Rev. Joel Hunter said Thursday in a conference call supporting the Affordable Care Act. Department of Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius hosted the conference call including leaders from several denominations. The HHS Department believes that faith and community leaders play an important role influencing community opinion on the health care reform bill.
Faith leaders on the call seemed to affirm Sebelius stance that the health care bill is already helping members of their congregations. All affirmed their commitment to educate their congregations about the benefits of the health care reform bill.
We have been told that its very important for us to lead in sharing for our church the affirmation of health care reform and how the health benefits are improving the lives of people and protecting all of our citizens, said the Rev. Barry Howe, an Episcopal bishop of west Missouri. ....
Hunter said he was grateful for the protections the health care bill offered to the vulnerable members of his congregation.
A Politico reporter attempted to ask Hunter how he handles division in his congregation over lingering concerns with federal abortion funding, but Hunter did not remain on the call for questions. ....
Sebelius reiterated the comments President Obama made affirming the Affordable Care Act in his State of the Union address on Tuesday. Instead of re-fighting the battles of the last two years, lets fix what needs fixing and lets move forward, Obama said in his speech.
published February 28, 2009
Health Workers’ ‘Conscience’ Rule Set to Be Voided
“This is going to be a political hit for the administration,” said Joel Hunter, senior pastor of the Northland Church in Longwood, Fla., whom Obama recently named to his Advisory Council on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships. “This will be one of those things that kind of says, ‘I knew it. They talk about common ground, but really what they want is their own way.’ “
Tuesday, November 11, 2008
Praying with the president-elect, Part II
The Religion News Service blog has already noted that Florida megachurch pastor Joel Hunter had President-elect Barack Obamas ear just hours before his Nov. 4 election when they joined in prayer. Time magazine has added to the coverage, quoting Hunter as saying that Obama trusts God and the American people and just wanted to commend himself to each.
Thursday, November 06, 2008
Down, but not out
The watchdogs at Americans United for Separation of Church & State warned yesterday that the religious right may have been defeated in Tuesdays national elections, but they are still potent at the state and local level.
The religious right is not dead, said the Rev. Barry Lynn, AUs executive director, but Im happy that most Americans seem very wary of the movements reckless merger of religion and politics. Those of us who value church-state separation must remain on alert to counter the religious rights next gambit.
Tuesday, November 25, 2008
Let my people go
Nicholas Cafardi, the Catholic legal scholar who raised some eyebrows (and some blood pressures) with his endorsement of Barack Obama on these pages a few months back, is back in the spotlight with another swipe at the U.S. Catholic bishops. Money quote: Every time in the past that the People of God have been held captive by civil power, it has benefitted civil power and hurt Gods people. This time is no different. It is time to end the Republican captivity of our church so that, no longer enthralled to one political party, our bishops can recapture their entire prophetic voice.
Wednesday, November 05, 2008
The pastor with the president-elects ear
Is the up-and-coming Joel Hunter of Orlandos Northland Church, according to Sarah Pulliam over at Christianity Todays blog.
Hunter prayed with Obama prior to the Grant Park acceptance speech. Money quote from Hunter: It was a very sweet time. It was just a very meaningful time that you could tell meant a lot to him. Sen. Obama has done a great job with keeping us in consistent conversation and it really is a good signal that he wants us to be a part of the conversation.
(For the record, I don't go for Warren's schtick, but he's probably never killed anyone. When I am evaluating a person as a president, I think you have the responsibility to look over anything. You aren't "judging" their soul if your reason tells you they have weaknesses that wouldn't make them a good president.)
This guy was for normal marriage before he was against it. He is not exactly a straight arrow.
I have a question for you.
Does your comment mean anything?
I saw this today.
This is the most Christian act he’s ever committed, and I applaud him for it.
I love solidarity.
I know...I repeated myself. ;o)
But, I'm not perfect either. Ha!!
Show me this post from Dec. And then I will comment further.