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Fox News Poll: Santorum Surges Nationally After Three-State Sweep [Ties Romney at 30%; Gingrich 16%]
FoxNews ^ | February 09, 2012 | Dana Blanton

Posted on 02/10/2012 9:57:42 AM PST by Steelfish

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To: Marguerite

Wow. Rick complimented the Obummers for being married. THE TREASON!!! Your overproduced garbage video of weak attacks on Rick is silly. Do you really want to get into a battle over past associations between your guy Newt and Rick? Newt with Pelosi on Global Warming, Rev Al on Education, Hitlery on education? Newt working for Fannie and Freddie?

Feel free to tear down other stronger candidates, much like the Mittens campaign, to prop up your guy. I refuse to participate.


101 posted on 02/10/2012 11:37:54 AM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Lazlo in PA
We don't need to. If you listen to Ricks speeches, they focus on the overbearing role of this Govt' and the loss of freedom.

Moderate and independent voters in the general election won't listen to a single Santorum speech; their information on Santorum's views will come from Obama attack ads.

102 posted on 02/10/2012 11:40:15 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: jim_trent
So we are staking our hopes on a guy that couldn’t win his own seat in his own state?

Donal Trump has been cloned?

103 posted on 02/10/2012 11:40:33 AM PST by itsahoot (I will Vote for Palin, even if I have to write her in.(Recycled Tagline))
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To: napscoordinator
" He sure showed Santorum on Tuesday night. lol. You guys are so deranged. "
Yeah, it must be the sour grapes ....
104 posted on 02/10/2012 11:41:39 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Strategerist

So what? The Regime is going to tar any of our candidates with lies and spin. Do you really think Newt isn’t going to be maligned in the press and by the Regime? That’s silly.


105 posted on 02/10/2012 11:43:32 AM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: napscoordinator
knock off the Santorum bashing

I won't

Jan 4, 2012 - The CATO Institute's David Boaz explains why there hasn't been a candidate more inimical to American political values than Rick Santorum since Hillary Clinton.

http://youtu.be/hhtep2_Mw9Q

Santorum - The Big Government "Conservative"

106 posted on 02/10/2012 11:44:02 AM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: KansasGirl
Santorum hasn't enough depth to shake off the "lunatic, right-wing fringe" paint.

Santorum doesn't come close to filling Reagan's footprint. He needs to articulate beyond social issues. He needs to convince me he has a plan and the courage to save this economy and our American reputation.

Reagan could withstand the "lunatic" paint because the people saw that he had a deep history: speeches, papers, executive experience as governor the country's largest state. Reagan also had the ability to make you feel strong and safe at the same time. You just knew he understood the world and America's place in it.

While flawed, the one who brings Reagan to mind (and I am old enough to remember the campaigns) whenever I listen to him IS Newt. I mean this. I have been posting since the start of this primary season that we needed to consider Newt.

He is conservative with a deep understanding of our constitutional republic, its history, its problems AND its assets. He has been baptized with fire time and again and he is still standing. Newt is the leader we need for these times.

I stand by that.

I hope others will too.

107 posted on 02/10/2012 11:45:26 AM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Lazlo in PA
So what? The Regime is going to tar any of our candidates with lies and spin. Do you really think Newt isn’t going to be maligned in the press and by the Regime? That’s silly.

Oh, Newt would be savaged as well. But Newt has been a dead man walking for quite some time, and speculating about him in the general election is like speculating about whether Batman could beat Spiderman in a fight.

108 posted on 02/10/2012 11:48:27 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: Right_in_Virginia

Reagan also was not running on social issues. He was running on optimism, anti-communism, and fiscal conservatism.


109 posted on 02/10/2012 11:50:05 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: Right_in_Virginia
his unrelenting and often seen as sanctimonious pro-life

You neatly demonstrates why Libertarians will never win, in one sentence.

110 posted on 02/10/2012 11:51:09 AM PST by itsahoot (I will Vote for Palin, even if I have to write her in.(Recycled Tagline))
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To: Strategerist

Great points. Thanks!


111 posted on 02/10/2012 11:52:14 AM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: itsahoot

Nobody is ever going to win a national election by emphasis on being pro-life, either.


112 posted on 02/10/2012 11:53:45 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: Lady Lucky
Make no mistake, Romney can easily beat Santorum.

Place your bets at intrade, where they count, here they are just more blather.

113 posted on 02/10/2012 11:53:49 AM PST by itsahoot (I will Vote for Palin, even if I have to write her in.(Recycled Tagline))
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To: Right_in_Virginia

I am a Newt supporter and agree with everything you say about him, however, I will gladly support Rick as well. I honestly don’t understand why any Newt supporter would say that they will stay home if Rick is the nominee.


114 posted on 02/10/2012 11:58:19 AM PST by KansasGirl
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To: Right_in_Virginia

I am a Newt supporter and agree with everything you say about him, however, I will gladly support Rick as well. I honestly don’t understand why any Newt supporter would say that they will stay home if Rick is the nominee.


115 posted on 02/10/2012 11:59:03 AM PST by KansasGirl
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To: Right_in_Virginia
We don’t want lunatic fringe in the WH — from either side of the political aisle.

What, in Heaven's name, are you talking about?????

116 posted on 02/10/2012 12:00:39 PM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: GraceG

I have a couple of friends who used the same comparison when supporting OBama. Little known Senator from Illinois without a strong resume’ who turned out to be a great president. Just saying.


117 posted on 02/10/2012 12:01:02 PM PST by redangus
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To: Strategerist

[Reagan also was not running on social issues. He was running on optimism, anti-communism, and fiscal conservatism.]

Did you listen to Santorum’s CPAC speech? Sounded like that’s what he is running on to me. Also, for freedom, against Obamneycare socialism.


118 posted on 02/10/2012 12:01:51 PM PST by KansasGirl
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To: Strategerist

These Santorum haters are a joke. Do they even know Newt’s record? Santorum is a far more consistent conservative. Even Rush Limbaugh says that and now I hear Mark Levin endorsed Rick.

First they say he’s not winning, so he needs to get out. Now that he’s winning they say they won’t vote for him. I suspect that they secretly want Romney or for Obama to be re-elected.

Newt has flamed out and cannot win due to high negatives. It seems to me these folks would be more productive if they threatened to hold their breath and stomp their feet. Their feeble efforts to post clipped together videos and skew Rick’s record is just like the Romney team. Yet they say how they hate him for the lies. Hypocrisy, plain and simple.


119 posted on 02/10/2012 12:01:51 PM PST by FresnoRobert (When born, you cried and the world rejoiced. Live your life so that when you die, it's reversed.)
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To: KansasGirl
Well said.
If they stay home they may as well vote for Obama say they have no sense or could simply be liberals in denial
120 posted on 02/10/2012 12:02:07 PM PST by cjmae (Sanity was not equally distributed)
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To: Right_in_Virginia
We don’t want lunatic fringe in the WH

Ok then pick one

Lunatic Fringe (R)
Lunatic Fringe (D)

Lunatic Fringe(Paul) If you have trouble picking one, you may be on the wrong forum.

121 posted on 02/10/2012 12:03:56 PM PST by itsahoot (I will Vote for Palin, even if I have to write her in.(Recycled Tagline))
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To: redangus

But Obama was BLACK and he assuaded their white guilt by voting for him.


122 posted on 02/10/2012 12:05:25 PM PST by bigdirty
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To: PjhCPA
Better than a guy that couldn’t get re-elected as speaker by HIS OWN PARTY!!!

And, because of that, quit as a Representative in the House, after just being reelected, thereby backstabbing all of those who worked for his reelection and voted for him.

123 posted on 02/10/2012 12:06:51 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: Strategerist
[Reagan also was not running on social issues. He was running on optimism, anticommunism, and fiscal conservatism.]

You hit on some very key points. Reagan ran during a time when America was still a whole lot more basically Conservative than it is now. There is very little resemblance or comparison of the America then, and the America now.

There is a new underlying majority among Blacks and Hispanics that is not even being considered. Add to that, the new generations of younger indoctrinated voters who have been given their political views from the Public education system.

The Demographics of the new America is not even close to the same as it was during Reagan's time. (I was there. I worked for Reagan's campaign.)

124 posted on 02/10/2012 12:09:24 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: ohioWfan

I guess she must think we are all “lunatic fringe”? Reagan too.


125 posted on 02/10/2012 12:12:39 PM PST by KansasGirl
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To: KansasGirl
If Santorum is nominated, forget it. It will be game over for our side and Obama will win a second term. They may as well stay home because the outcome is all too predictable.

It's obvious, you know very little about the real Real Santorum. Blind support won't produce anything but future frustration, which you will soon learn the hard way and it will also be too late for the rest of us as well.

splitting the Conservative vote and isolating it to a few hard core conservatives among the general population of voters is a guaranteed failure in today's America.

126 posted on 02/10/2012 12:17:17 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
I can guarantee them that if freepers could snap their fingers and elect a President, it wouldn’t be Santorum, and it certainly wouldn’t be Gingrich. It wouldn’t be Bachmann, or Perry, or Cain either.

Wow who would that be? Enquiring minds wanna know.

127 posted on 02/10/2012 12:18:18 PM PST by itsahoot (I will Vote for Palin, even if I have to write her in.(Recycled Tagline))
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To: KansasGirl
I am a Newt supporter and agree with everything you say about him, however, I will gladly support Rick as well. I honestly don’t understand why any Newt supporter would say that they will stay home if Rick is the nominee.

That's a great point. I probably wouldn't stay home. But I would be tempted to, really tempted to. Not because of dislike for Santorum but because I'm so tired of voting and watching the other guy win. :(

128 posted on 02/10/2012 12:24:19 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: itsahoot

I pick Jesus but he’s not on the ballot.


129 posted on 02/10/2012 12:24:56 PM PST by FresnoRobert (When born, you cried and the world rejoiced. Live your life so that when you die, it's reversed.)
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To: jim_trent

Not I. I have no love for Santorum; I see right through him.


130 posted on 02/10/2012 12:25:06 PM PST by newzjunkey
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To: itsahoot

Read your tagline! :-)


131 posted on 02/10/2012 12:25:48 PM PST by KansasGirl
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To: pgkdan

“Shove this crap up your paulbot butt.”

Are you saying that to me because I am a Santorum supporter?


132 posted on 02/10/2012 12:27:45 PM PST by KeyLargo
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To: KansasGirl; ohioWfan
I guess she must think we are all “lunatic fringe”? Reagan too.

Hey, KC --- I know it's sometimes tough to come into a thread in the middle of a "conversation".

But if you're going to throw about vapid comments at least understand the context and meaning of the post you think you're quoting.

Just makes for a more intelligent debate. Thanks.

133 posted on 02/10/2012 12:28:32 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Right_in_Virginia; Lazlo in PA

She might be avaliable.

134 posted on 02/10/2012 12:30:58 PM PST by itsahoot (I will Vote for Palin, even if I have to write her in.(Recycled Tagline))
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To: Right_in_Virginia
It's frustrating, I agree. It's even more frustrating to see this ship of fools, running chaotically from candidate to candidate with very little scrutiny or thought. It's almost fanatical in a way.
135 posted on 02/10/2012 12:31:39 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: All
So, there are posters who think "All the Republican candidates MUST be vetted, down to their bedroom, but not Rick Santorum" ?

WHY ever not? He must be thoroughly vetted, especially because he flied under radar up to now.

For most people, including me, Rick Santorum was just a disgraced senator, who badly lost his reelection with 41% to 59% in 2006 ...

The more I'm reading about his record, the less I like him.

Santorum is the guy who wrote in more than $3.5 billion in earmarks during his career. "Fiscal conservative"? Hardly.

Santorum is the guy , who cheated his state of almost $100,000 for his personal use and never gave back the money.

During his years in the Senate, Santorum raised his family in northern Virginia, and not in his Pittsburgh suburb house he claimed to be his main residence. Pennsylvania voters were shocked when they found out the Penn Hills School District of that suburb had paid out $72,000 for the home cyberschooling of five of Santorum’s kids, hundreds of miles away in a different state. Santorum never returned the money.

Santorum is the guy who put up a "charity", which was indeed only a money scam.

In 2001 Santorum launched a charitable foundation called the 'Operation Good Neighbor Foundation, ' which rose more than $1 million. Where did the majority of the charity’s money go? In salaries and consulting fees to a network of politically connected lobbyists, aides and fundraisers, including rent and office payments to Santorum’s finance director Rob Bickhart.

A responsible charity doles out at least 75 percent of its income in grants, but the 'Operation Good Neighbor Fund' contribution was less than 36 percent. The charity – which didn’t register with the state of Pennsylvania as required under the law, was finally disbanded in 2007.

I can go on and on ...

136 posted on 02/10/2012 12:32:28 PM PST by Marguerite (When I'm goodDuring his years in the Senat, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: itsahoot

Back away from the bong ... you’re making a fool of yourself.


137 posted on 02/10/2012 12:35:32 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: jim_trent

You’re right. We have to wait until the perfect candidate comes along. The Bible says He’s coming back, but doesn’t say when.


138 posted on 02/10/2012 12:38:13 PM PST by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: itsahoot

You’d have to answer that one for yourself. But would YOUR choice be any of those listed? They would not have been on my list of candidates.

None of those in the race this time would have been on my list. But I don’t know who I would install as king. It’s much easier to pick the least objectionable from a list, than it is to pick the one you want the most.


139 posted on 02/10/2012 12:39:20 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Right_in_Virginia; ohioWfan

I’ve read every post on the thread. You think Santorum will be painted as lunatic fringe, because he is pro-life, and thus lose. I disagree. I also know that the media will try to destroy whoever we nominate. It will be up to the candidate to stay on message.

Besides, if anyone is extreme when it comes to life issues, it is Obama. I’d love to see Santorum bring out his votes against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act! Now, that is “lunatic fringe”!


140 posted on 02/10/2012 12:39:55 PM PST by KansasGirl
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To: ohioWfan

What am I talking about?

Read what went back and forth.

If you get it, fine. If not, please, don’t badger me about it.

Thanks.


141 posted on 02/10/2012 12:40:16 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Marguerite
Will the real Santorum please stand up? lol! he is not a conservative. He voted to increase funding to the National Endowment of Arts; voted for the liberal activist judge during the Clinton presidency...Sonia Sotomyer who now serves on the SCOTUS and is not doing justice to our constitutiion. He endorsed the liberal Spector who voted for OBAMACARE. When 60 votes were needed to pass the legislation, Spector cast the 60th vote. Santorum called Romney a conservative? lol..well, he has done his damage! I prefer Newt and standing with Ollie North, Chuck Norris, Bud McFarland, Todd Palin, Rick Perry, Michael Reagan, Art Laffer and other great conservatives. BTW! Santorum has been given a free pass so far. Not attacked or vetted..just wait until the American voters know the truth about him The National Rifle Association's threat to punish senators who vote for Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor has been met with a shrug by Democrats from conservative-leaning states and some Republicans who are breaking with their party to support her. The gun-rights group is used to getting its way by spooking lawmakers about the political consequences of defying its wishes. But it never before has weighed in on a Supreme Court confirmation battle. It was cautious about breaking that pattern, and it looks like a losing fight to defeat President Barack Obama's first pick for the court. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32251444/ns/politics-capitol_hill/t/nra-cant-halt-sotomayors-march-court/ Santorum also voted for Sonia Sotomayer to serve as US Circuit Court Judge, 2nd circuit during the Clinton presidency..even McCain voted nay! this woman now serves on the SCOTUS! and is NO friend of the NRA or 2nd ammendment rights. Also check out Project Vote Smart! http://www.votesmart.org/bill/3638/8726/27054/gun-show-sale-regulation-amendment
142 posted on 02/10/2012 12:42:02 PM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: Marguerite
Here is the quote from Rick's 2006 Interview with NPR.

This whole idea of personal autonomy, well I don’t think most conservatives hold that point of view. Some do. They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low, that we shouldn’t get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn’t get involved in cultural issues. You know, people should do whatever they want. Well, that is not how traditional conservatives view the world and I think most conservatives understand that individuals can’t go it alone. That there is no such society that I am aware of, where we’ve had radical individualism and that it succeeds as a culture.

Anyone who understands the core of our Founders know that to a man, our Founders would be appalled at the anti-individualism of such a statement. It's amplified because it was spoken by someone active in the political arena.

I can never imagine Reagan speaking in such terms. Rick has an authoritarian streak. I have no doubt that he would use the power of the State to ends that would be disturbing.

Rick voted for No Child Left Behind, Medicare Part-D and other laws that would make a real conservative cringe. Make no mistake none of the candidates running are Conservative as Reagan.

It is laughable that some people would push Rick as this stalwart Conservative. Rick's record is not one of someone who believes strongly in the Constitution and limited State Power. That said, he or Newt would be infinitely better than Mitt.

143 posted on 02/10/2012 12:44:58 PM PST by sand88 (Nothing on this Earth would get me to vote for Mitt.)
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144 posted on 02/10/2012 12:45:35 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: KansasGirl
You think Santorum will be painted as lunatic fringe, because he is pro-life, and thus lose. I disagree.

Actually, you're almost right. "Lunatic fringe" comes in because when the majority of people think of Santorum, they think of babies, and abortion rights, and evolution and gay marriage. ONLY! But, you disagree. Good for you.

But, if "they" can take out a true, honorable conservative with the word "macaca" --- don't watch what they're about to do to Mr. Santorum. It won't be pretty, but it will be effective.

Just saying.

145 posted on 02/10/2012 12:47:27 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Right_in_Virginia

Right_in_VA... stay the course...you are making good points that logically have to be considered. Whether people want to acknowledge it or not Rick’s social conservatism is not necessarily an asset for the massive independent vote. It opens him up to widespread criticsim and if he is the nominee he will spend a great deal of time defending these positions rather than moving forward with a fiscal conservative message.


146 posted on 02/10/2012 12:51:56 PM PST by AlwaysFrosty
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To: Marguerite
There is a vast list of things santoum has done, that if these blind impulsive supporters were to research and discover for themselves, would go out of their way to defeat him, much like is happening to Romney.

I can't tell much of a difference between Romney and Santorum, if one were to look at their actual roles in their former government positions. If they both were as great as some of their supporters claim, then they would not only have been reelected repeatedly, they would be the standard for what Conservatism is, like Reagan was.

Santorum is so far removed from that definition that it would be a disgrace to Reagan to even remotely align him with the greatest Conservative of our time.

147 posted on 02/10/2012 12:52:35 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: itsahoot

Oh look, it’s Annie Coultergeist!


148 posted on 02/10/2012 12:55:26 PM PST by Anti-Hillary (No Jesus, No Peace! Know Jesus, Know Peace!)
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To: AlwaysFrosty

Thank you.


149 posted on 02/10/2012 1:00:22 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
It's frustrating, I agree. It's even more frustrating to see this ship of fools, running chaotically from candidate to candidate with very little scrutiny or thought. It's almost fanatical in a way.

And that's what scares me so much.

150 posted on 02/10/2012 1:04:03 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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