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Catholics United Supports Obama Administration's New Compromise Regulation (Vichy Catholics)
Catholics United ^ | February 10, 2012 | Staff

Posted on 02/11/2012 6:20:38 AM PST by C19fan

Today the Obama Administration announced that the President would be issuing a new regulation fully respecting the religious liberty of Catholic organizations while maintaining access to contraceptive services for all employees.

The new regulation will ensure that Catholic hospitals, universities and social service providers that are religiously opposed to contraception and sterilization do not have to provide or even refer for those services, while also requiring insurance companies provide contraceptive services free of charge to any enrollee who wishes to have the coverage. The objecting religious organizations would have no role in providing coverage or referring employees for services they would deem objectionable. The cost of the contraceptive coverage will be born by the insurance companies and will be offset by the long term cost savings associated with reduced need for maternity care. Using the standard of Catholic moral theology, this solution is acceptable because no Catholic or Catholic institution will be directly involved in what the church deems to be an immoral act.

(Excerpt) Read more at catholics-united.org ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: catholic; mandate
I posted this because when driving home from work one of the MSM radio news boradcasts specificlly mentioned this organization giving the impression that Catholics are fine with the "accomdation". This is, stealing something from a writer on Red State, a Vichy Catholic organization collaberating with Catholic politicians, the group specificlly mentions working with Sibelius, who continuously go against the teachings of the Catholic Church.
1 posted on 02/11/2012 6:20:47 AM PST by C19fan
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To: C19fan

“A&P” Catholics. They show up for ashes and palms.


2 posted on 02/11/2012 6:26:21 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ceterum autem censeo, Obama delenda est.)
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To: C19fan

A Christian Catholic could never have voted Democrat the last 50 years or so,it`s as simple as that!

Somebody needs to come out and say it, I guess it will have to be me...Catholic Democrats are NOT Christian. Case Closed!

60 million plus abortions, removal of Christ from classroom public square etc, basically spitting on Christ.

Nobody with the Spirit of Christ within them would have been able to vote Democrat.


3 posted on 02/11/2012 6:26:39 AM PST by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2012 OR FLIPPIN BUST)
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To: C19fan

Didn’t they support Barry’s Old Compromise Regulation too?


4 posted on 02/11/2012 6:27:28 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (FOX News! In the barrel for Barry!)
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To: C19fan

Infiltrated by communists, hands out ready to give up any or all thier beliefs for a few sheckles and a line open to the criminal and chief. despicable


5 posted on 02/11/2012 6:33:43 AM PST by ronnie raygun (V)
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To: C19fan

Five or six of the founders and board members of Catholics United are former employees of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops. The American bishops supported Obamacare right up to the failure of the Stupak amendment, even though it subsidized contraception and was “shaped” by Planned Parenthood. In the words of Reverend Wright: “The chickens have come home to roost.”


6 posted on 02/11/2012 6:35:04 AM PST by schmootman
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To: C19fan
Probably funded by Soros.


7 posted on 02/11/2012 6:38:31 AM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: C19fan

I just read an article that Obama signed the regulation into law yesterday afternoon WITH OUT CHANGE. (Meaning there was no insurance compromise, he just did it. Catholics welcome to the F.U of B.O.)


8 posted on 02/11/2012 6:41:33 AM PST by Walkingfeather
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To: C19fan

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/290859/nothing-squid-ink-ed-haislmaier

He signed it into law


9 posted on 02/11/2012 6:43:39 AM PST by Walkingfeather
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To: C19fan

“James Salt - Executive Director”
“James has extensive experience working with national progressive Catholic peace and justice organizations as well as political campaigns involving Catholic strategy”

Keyword = “progressive” (Liberal)


10 posted on 02/11/2012 6:47:59 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: C19fan

I don’t know what kind of Catholics these are who United against the teaching of the Church. They should stop calling themselves Catholics if the support Sebile-us and Pelosi.


11 posted on 02/11/2012 6:48:03 AM PST by Venturer
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To: C19fan

Stop insulting Vichy. Pelosi wing of the Catholic Church, maybe?


12 posted on 02/11/2012 6:48:09 AM PST by ngat
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To: C19fan

Obama’s new proposal is such an obvious shell game. The idea that the insurance companies will just pick up the cost of the contraceptive/abortion-pill coverage on their own, and not factor it into the overall cost charged for the insurance policy is absurd.

Catholic institutions will still be paying for contraception and abortion, and for anyone with a shred of intellectual honesty to pretend otherwise is ridiculous.


13 posted on 02/11/2012 6:48:48 AM PST by CaptainMorgantown
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To: C19fan

One of their articles is “Whats not Catholic about Cummunity organizing?”. Another article call on Catholics to support the financial tax law. This looks like a Soros site. Let me know if I am wrong please.


14 posted on 02/11/2012 7:07:14 AM PST by marstegreg
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To: marstegreg

Yup. Soros bought and funded.

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/George%20Soros%20Funds%20Catholic%20Left.html


15 posted on 02/11/2012 7:10:57 AM PST by OpusatFR
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To: C19fan

“Catholics United” sounds like a manufactured-for-propoganda group. Have never heard of the before, and you will likely never hear of them again.


16 posted on 02/11/2012 7:12:06 AM PST by PGR88
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To: C19fan

He has declared himself Emperor and apparently the Congress agrees with him. They must ALL go!!! As Carville once said,”This is WAR!”


17 posted on 02/11/2012 7:17:23 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: OpusatFR

Thanks!!!! The words “community Organising are such a red flag anymore


18 posted on 02/11/2012 7:34:14 AM PST by marstegreg
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To: Friendofgeorge
Somebody needs to come out and say it, I guess it will have to be me...Catholic Democrats are NOT Christian. Case Closed!

Check my profile...

19 posted on 02/11/2012 7:37:02 AM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke

I wonder what the outcry would be if 0bammy mandates that everyone eat pork.


20 posted on 02/11/2012 7:51:37 AM PST by John Galt's cousin (Principled Conservatism NOW! * * * * * * * * * * Repeal the 17th Amendment!)
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To: John Galt's cousin
I want to address the insurance issue here. If they can tell insurance companies they have to provide free products/services what will stop them from doing the same to other industries. Grocery stores, if you sell a woman an egg you also have to give her a steak. Hair salon, If you sell a woman a shampoo you also have to do her nails for free and if her friend who did not buy anything wants her nails done, well you are out of luck. Car lot. If a man would like a new car but his church will not buy it for him, you must provide it if he asks. etc etc etc......
21 posted on 02/11/2012 8:11:50 AM PST by cotton
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To: C19fan

This is so typically MSM—cite the fringe groups as mainstream. It’s like what Edward R. Murrow used to do—cite Commonweal for Catholics’ distaste of McCarthy’s methods.


22 posted on 02/11/2012 8:24:47 AM PST by Mach9
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To: schmootman

It’s been mentioned several times on these threads, but we can probably thank Vatican II for nurturing such groups. The USCCB went through a pretty bleak period before JPII started stacking the ranks with actual Catholic bishops.


23 posted on 02/11/2012 8:27:25 AM PST by Mach9
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To: C19fan

That didn’t take long. How much are they getting in return?


24 posted on 02/11/2012 8:32:40 AM PST by TribalPrincess2U (NOT VOTING gets 0bamao re-elected and it's all downhill from then on.)
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To: John Galt's cousin

Mmmm P.O.R.K.


25 posted on 02/11/2012 8:33:56 AM PST by TribalPrincess2U (NOT VOTING gets 0bamao re-elected and it's all downhill from then on.)
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To: PGR88
“Catholics United” sounds like a manufactured-for-propoganda group. Have never heard of the before,

They have been around for some time, always oposing some Catholic issue.

Today's announcement will also be a test for the Catholic bishops, who have indicated that they are opposed to compromise.

Never compromise with the devil.

26 posted on 02/11/2012 8:44:43 AM PST by cotton
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To: C19fan

Whichever diocese this bunch is in, their bishop needs to come out and denounce them right away.


27 posted on 02/11/2012 9:15:46 AM PST by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: darkwing104

Definitely funded by Soros. http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/07/23/soros-funded-catholics-united-to-spend-500k-promoting-pro-life-democrats/


28 posted on 02/11/2012 9:34:42 AM PST by schmootman
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To: C19fan

Catholics United are like Catholics for abortion. Everybody realizes that you can not be catholic and hold those views. It is that simple. They are not Catholic.


29 posted on 02/11/2012 11:46:38 AM PST by maxwellsmart_agent
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30 posted on 02/11/2012 12:49:43 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: schmootman

Correction. I was mistaking a closely allied group, Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good, with Catholics United when I said it was riddled with ex-USCCB employees. According to pewsitter.com, Catholics in Alliance has at least four “leaders, advisors and partners” who are currently or were formerly associated with USCCB.
http://www.pewsitter.com/view_news_id_17572.php


31 posted on 02/11/2012 8:22:54 PM PST by schmootman
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To: schmootman

The problem is that the Catholic Church has done a really crappy job of policing the word “Catholic” so that anybody and his brother can call themselves “Catholic.” This organization and a lot of others don’t really care whether buying abortion coverage is moral or not. They don’t give a crap about any of it. They use the name to get business and a veneer of respectability. Oh yes, they may have some liberal catholic sympathies after a fashion—family inheritance or something. But they really don’t give a damn about what the Church teaches.

BTW, many of our worst dissidents are employees of the Church or ex-employees of the Church. They tend to take their “status” with them and act like they own the place even after they’ve left, and this hasn’t been dealt with either. No other organization would put up with this crap.


32 posted on 02/11/2012 9:23:49 PM PST by michigancatholic
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To: michigancatholic

It’s generally not clergy who are the nut-cases either. It’s lay people who have worked for the church for a long time, who are almost always cradle catholics.


33 posted on 02/11/2012 9:27:49 PM PST by michigancatholic
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To: michigancatholic

It’s generally not clergy who are the nut-cases either. It’s lay people who have worked for the church for a long time, and they’re almost always cradle catholics.


34 posted on 02/11/2012 9:28:50 PM PST by michigancatholic
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>> Staff: Using the standard of Catholic moral theology, this solution is acceptable because no Catholic or Catholic institution will be directly involved in what the church deems to be an immoral act.

STFU, just S T F U, you foolish asswipes!


35 posted on 02/11/2012 9:30:59 PM PST by Gene Eric (C'mon, Virginia -- are you with us or against us?!)
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To: pgyanke

I checked your profile as you suggested, very impressive. The one thing that caught my eye was your post on “Salvation by works” Yes I read your whole post.

Works is something we do, something we need, you are right absolutely on that count, however...Works has ABSOLUTELY ZERO to do with salvation.

Anybody that suggested that we can eat drink and be merry, probably was never truly sincere enough when they first asked Christ into their life, God does have some ability to see in to the future...foreknowledge

But you totally miss Paul`s main point from his writings absolutely, when you say that works has anything at all to do with Salvation.

As you say you are fond of your opinion :) Save your strength by not wasting your time responding to try and convince me otherwise, mean that in a kind way, it`s settled with me.

Multiple scriptures to back this up, including Christ himself.

In fact when we realize that Christ Jesus loved us so much, when we realize salvation is a FREE GIFT, NOT OF WORKS LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST... We love him all the more, we do not say to ourselves...great I am saved for eternity, now I can eat drink and be merry, that would be the wrong attitude.


36 posted on 02/12/2012 6:00:38 AM PST by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2012 OR FLIPPIN BUST)
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To: pgyanke

I checked your profile as you suggested, very impressive. The one thing that caught my eye was your post on “Salvation by works” Yes I read your whole post.

Works is something we do, something we need, you are right absolutely on that count, however...Works has ABSOLUTELY ZERO to do with salvation.

Anybody that suggested that we can eat drink and be merry, probably was never truly sincere enough when they first asked Christ into their life, God does have some ability to see in to the future...foreknowledge

But you totally miss Paul`s main point from his writings absolutely, when you say that works has anything at all to do with Salvation.

As you say you are fond of your opinion :) Save your strength by not wasting your time responding to try and convince me otherwise, mean that in a kind way, it`s settled with me.

Multiple scriptures to back this up, including Christ himself.

In fact when we realize that Christ Jesus loved us so much, when we realize salvation is a FREE GIFT, NOT OF WORKS LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST... We love him all the more, we do not say to ourselves...great I am saved for eternity, now I can eat drink and be merry, that would be the wrong attitude.

Works has NOTHING to do with Salvation, period, to argue that is not correct.


37 posted on 02/12/2012 6:01:59 AM PST by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2012 OR FLIPPIN BUST)
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To: Friendofgeorge

I didn’t suggest you visit my profile so we could get into a theological argument. I wanted you to see that you are not the only one pointing out that Christians should not be voting for Democrats.

I will certainly be happy to have that theological discussion with you, if you want... but it sounds like you don’t want it (at least you don’t want me to reply to the arguments you’ve already provided).

May God bless you.


38 posted on 02/12/2012 7:29:56 PM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke

I understood what you meant, and I did not mean any unkindness. I said a Christian would not/could not vote Democrat...A vote for a Democrat is to spit on Christ. A vote for a Democrat means a person is OK with removal of God`s Word from Classroom/public square, means they support killing God`s unborn children, gay marriage etc, so yes we are in agreement.

Salvation by works???..Paul goes in to great detail about that in Galatians as well as in his other letters from Romans etc. Really it`s a open and shut case, has zero merit

We are saved by grace through Faith, Nothing I could add that was not already discussed in the thread you took part in.

I just finished a 4 month study in Romans, Galations,etc Reading Ephesians at the moment.We are Never finished reading the Gospel, something we read over and over all our lives

Paul rebuked Galations for such thinking, had heated arguments with Peter.

Salvation by works is just so NOT what the Gospel is about. Our Righteousness is as filthy rags to the Lord.

Jesus died on the cross because nobody was good enough to be saved by their own merit.

Salvation is a free gift of God, Not of works lest any man should boast.

Nobody is saying..great, I am saved now, now I can eat drink and be merry. If anybody is saying that, then perhaps you can be suspicious of them.

I am just speaking of salvation!

God Bless you :)


39 posted on 02/12/2012 8:44:41 PM PST by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2012 OR FLIPPIN BUST)
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To: Friendofgeorge
Greetings, FRiend. I'm sorry I have been so long in responding. I wanted to give your thoughts careful consideration and it has taken until now to do so. If you recognize any malice or ill intent in what I write, it is unintended. I tend to be passionate in these areas... but mean no offense. I will discuss your challenges in turn...

Salvation by works???..Paul goes in to great detail about that in Galatians as well as in his other letters from Romans etc. Really it`s a open and shut case, has zero merit

Except that I never preached a Gospel of Salvation by Works. I simply postulated that works have a role in our salvation... and this is truth.

When St Paul talks about "works of the law" in his epistles, he is referring very specifically to the dictates of the Law of Moses which were enjoined on the Jewish people. These were not meant to save but to discipline. Our salvation is in Christ crucified.

Here, I'm going to refer back to something I already wrote: "what is suffering? I would suggest to you on behalf of the Church that suffering is love in action. What is love without self-giving... what is self-giving without self-denial... what is self-denial without sacrifice? By this definition, we come to know God (Who is Love) by taking up our crosses to follow Jesus... as Jesus admonished us to do."

"Therefore, being followers of Christ who are called to lives of suffering, I would submit to you that here are the works called for by the Church. They are not "earning" salvation, they are growing in knowledge of God. Taking the opposite approach is selfishness and failing to grow... and only dead things fail to grow. We are the Body of Christ on Earth through our union with His Bride, the Church. In this, we carry on His earthly mission to call all peoples to Himself. There is much work to be done and a just God Who will reward our efforts. What is lacking in the sacrifice of Christ on the Cross? Our own sacrifice (love) joined with His."

Paul rebuked Galations for such thinking, had heated arguments with Peter.

St Paul rebuked anyone who preached a Gospel which called for the gentiles to first place themselves under the old Law (circumcision). Again, the Law was not given for the salvation of man, but for the discipline of Israel. It is meaningless to say that all people must first join in Israel's chastisement before they can be reborn in Christ.

St Paul's argument with St Peter was over St Peter's behavior toward the gentiles. St Peter was all chummy with the gentiles when it was just him. When others of a Jewish background were present, he separated himself to stay among the Jews. This was scandalous to St Paul who saw the hypocrisy of St Peter's behavior. Nowhere does St Paul take St Peter to task for St Peter's doctrine and faith... only his behavior.

Our Righteousness is as filthy rags to the Lord.

You are quoting the Old Testament here (Isaiah 64:6). Of course, the righteousness of Israel was unable to please God. Their chastisements were about their discipline not about appeasing an angry God. However, what Christ did on the Cross was to bring us home to God's family. God didn't delight in our accomplishments perpetrated outside of His Grace anymore than I take pride in the accomplishments of the neighbor kid. As a son, though, God does delight in our work because we are the Body of Christ at work in the world. Christ merited for us the ability to merit from the Father because we have been brought home to God's Household.

Salvation is a free gift of God, Not of works lest any man should boast.

Yes... and yet we still sin. In sinning, we turn our backs on God's Grace. The works we do are not for our boasting because we accomplish them through the Grace of God at work in us. However, we must still cooperate with God as Mary humbly accepted God's Will in her maternity. Therefore, in cooperation with God, the works we accomplish as the Body of Christ carry on the work of Christ in the salvation of souls... including our own. Accomplishing our corporal works of mercy is suborning our wills to God's Holy Will. And, as Christ said, we are His brothers and sisters if we do God's Will.

It's not enough to "believe" if that word is a passive knowledge... the devils to as much. No, for the Christian, "believe" is an action word. We believe if we do God's Will. Notice in Galatians that St Paul points to the example of Abraham. Did Abraham spend all day on his knees passively believing in God? No. He followed where God led him and offered his only son as a sacrificial offering at God's command. THEN, his belief was shown... not just in his heart but in his actions. We follow Abraham's example when we DO all that God has commanded us.

Lastly, I would point out that the works we do are for the discipline of our sinful flesh. "Let no one say when he is tempted, 'I am tempted by God'; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death" (James 1:13-15). Corporal works of mercy are God's midnight basketball for his children to avoid occasions of sin.

Can we reject our salvation? "Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been proved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him" (James 1:12). Clearly, the opposite is also true for those who do not endure.

40 posted on 02/19/2012 8:30:15 PM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke

Thank You for your response :) I meant no harm in my post either, sometimes I have been told I am not very tactful, something I will work on.

I read all you post, very thoughtful!

Not sure what else I can say...Just that “Our Righteousness is as filthy rags” While it`s from the old Testament, Paul quoted it in one of his letters. Cant tell you which one this moment. I am reading Philippians as we speak

You are in good company with all you say, and as you stated you are NOT preaching a Gospel of works.

And AGAIN I was NOT preaching anything along the lines of, get saved and return to sinning, or anything like that at all.

This particular subject is one that I am very confident on personally, that is why the one subject caught my eye on your very full profile page.

To me, anything other than what Jesus did on the cross is just not something I am open to.

Mother Teressa for example...A wonderful Christian she was, her works were many.

If someone else had done all the exact works of Mother Teresa, but had not accepted what Jesus did on the Cross personally for her/him, her works would mean nothing, and that person would not be saved.

For me, anything other than what Jesus did on the Cross for me, is of no value.

Any person that invites Jesus in to their life is going to want to do for the Lord and for others, but has ZERO to do with salvation.

Now the next big event will be the rapture. Yes I know the word rapture is not in the Bible, it`s just a word that has been given to a Biblical event that is to come, you can call it anything you like, you can call it super Tuesday if you like.

The dead in Christ will rise first and join Jesus in the clouds, the lucky Christians that are still alive on that great day will never see physical death, they will then join Jesus and the other in the sky.

Salvation will NOT be a issue for Christians, they will be judged for their works or lack there of, but salvation is not in question for any on that great day.

Getting a reward of any kind on that day is not even something that I imagine, I only bring it up because it fits in to the theme we are discussing. The only place works fits in, and it is outside of our salvation.

Works then become a issue, but not salvation.

For full disclosure I will feel blessed just for salvation, have no expectation for anything other than salvation, I expect to be one of the least, shall we say.No thoughts of any reward from yours truly.

Have a good day :)


41 posted on 02/20/2012 9:13:02 AM PST by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2012 OR FLIPPIN BUST)
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To: C19fan

This is SOP for the Progressives. Set up and fund a group with a name that will suggest support from whatever special interest is needed. In this case, Catholics.


42 posted on 02/20/2012 10:46:43 AM PST by Tatze (I reject your reality and substitute my own!)
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To: Friendofgeorge
To me, anything other than what Jesus did on the cross is just not something I am open to.

This is one of the great differences between Catholics and Protestants... and for good reason. What Protestants fail to connect is that fact that we are the Body of Christ present in this world. The work He came to do was not finished on the Cross, it was begun. It was not the end for which there is no more to be done, it was the beginning from which all else is possible. It's a subtle difference in perspective that makes all the difference in practice.

I'll save you from posting back that He said, "It is finished" on the Cross. What was finished was the Passover offering of the unblemished Lamb as the sacrificial offering of the New Covenant. Surely you can see that history didn't end there... it began anew. He didn't say all was done, He said His offering was made... we are restored in kinship to God... we are sons and daughters of God... we are His Body in the Marriage Feast of the Lamb to His Church... and we carry on his work of salvation until He comes again in glory.

May God bless you.

43 posted on 02/20/2012 12:44:32 PM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke

I think we make a mistake when we say Catholics on one side and Protestants on another. Also you are somehow assuming I am a Protestant, I really am not involved in organized religion. I attend a non denominational Holy Spirit filled Bible Church.

Also I think you make a mistake when you say you speak for all Catholics (implied) I know many Charismatic Catholics that believe as I do.

Infact I watch a Canadian Catholic TV program from Canada most Sundays, It`s called Food For Life, wonderful program. Not that you would have heard, but Father Bob McDougall now with the Lord started the program perhaps 25 years ago, then Father Bob Beddard, cant remember the new Fathers name at the moment.

Also it sounds like you still have it in your mind that I was saying something like Christians are not supposed to work to spread the Gospel? I never said any such thing, just that works have nothing to do with salvation, but come after salvation.

Catholicism,protestantism,religion or works will not save 1 person.

The precious blood of Christ is the only thing that brings Salvation.

Now in some respects I think we are speaking at cross Purposes. The Body of Christ is not just Catholics. I am not sure where you got this idea that The Body Of Christ,and the great commission to preach the Gospel to every creature, was not discussed in Non Catholic Churches, it certainly is spoken of in my Church.

The entire purpose of my Church is to lead as many people to Christ as possible.

Thank You for the discussion :)


44 posted on 02/20/2012 2:09:26 PM PST by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2012 OR FLIPPIN BUST)
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To: pgyanke

FOOD FOR LIFE CATHOLIC TELEVISION

Hi again, only if you are interested...thanks :)

http://www.companionscross.org/ministry/associated.html


45 posted on 02/20/2012 2:17:44 PM PST by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2012 OR FLIPPIN BUST)
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To: C19fan

Most have known for a long time that “Catholics United” does not have a single legitimate ‘catholic’ aboard.
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46 posted on 02/20/2012 2:20:28 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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