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Posted on 02/11/2012 8:48:22 AM PST by DouglasKC
Media Response to Anita Li, from the Toronto Star
Since you took the time to email us with your requests like we asked, Ill take the time to give you an honest follow-up response. Youll have to forgive me for doing so publicly though; again I want to be sure my words are portrayed the way I actually say them, not cut together to make entirely different points.
Your questions were: Q: Why did you decide to reprimand your daughter over a public medium like YouTube?
A: Well, I actually just had to load the video file itself on YouTube because its a better upload process than Facebook, but the intended audience was her Facebook friends and the parents of those friends who saw her post and would naturally assume we let our children get away with something like that. So, to answer Why did you reprimand her over a public medium like Facebook my answer is this: Because thats how I was raised. If I did something embarrassing to my parents in public (such as a grocery store) I got my tail tore up right there in front of God and everyone, right there in the store. I put the reprisal in exactly the same medium she did, in the exact same manner. Her post went out to about 452 people. Mine went out to about 550 people originally. I had no idea it would become what it did.
Q: How effective do you think your punishment was (i.e. shooting her laptop and reading her letter online)?
A: I think it was very effective on one front. She apparently didnt remember being talked to about previous incidents, nor did she seem to remember the effects of having it taken away, nor did the eventual long-term grounding seem to get through to her. I think she thought Well, Ill just wait it out and Ill get it back eventually. Her behavior corrected for a short time, and then it went back to what it was before and worse. This time, she wont ever forget and itll be a long time before she has an opportunity to post on Facebook again. I feel pretty certain that every day from then to now, whenever one of her friends mentions Facebook, shell remember it and wish she hadnt done what she did.
The second lesson I want her to learn is the value of a dollar. We dont give her everything she asks for, but you can all imagine what its like being the only grandchild and the first child. Presents and money come from all sides when youre young. Most of the things she has that are cool were bought or gifted that way. Shes always asked for very few things, but theyre always high-dollar things (iPod, laptop, smartphone, etc). Eventually she gets given enough money to get them. Thats not learning the value of a dollar. Its knowing how to save money, which I greatly applaud in her, but its not enough. She wants a digital SLR camera. She wants a 22 rifle like mine. She wants a car. She wants a smart phone with a data package and unlimited texting. (I have to hear about that one every week!)
She thinks all these things are supposed to be given to her because shes got parents. Its not going to happen, at least not in our house. She can get a job and work for money just like everyone else. Then she can spend it on anything she wants (within reason). If she wants to work for two months to save enough to purchase a $1000 SLR camera with an $800 lens, then I can guarantee shell NEVER leave it outside at night. Shell be careful when she puts it away and carries it around. Shell value it much more because she worked so hard to get it. Instead, with the current way things have been given to her, she's on about her fourth phone and just expects another one when she breaks the one she has. She's not sorry about breaking it, or losing it, she's sorry only because she can't text her friends. I firmly believe she'll be a LOT more careful when she has to buy her own $299.00 Motorola Razr smartphone.
Until then, she can do chores, and lots and lots of them, so the people who ARE feeding her, clothing her, paying for all her school trips, paying for her musical instruments, can have some time to relax after they finish working to support her and the rest of the family. She can either work to make money on her own, or she will do chores to contribute around the house. Shes known all along that all she has to do is get a job and a lot of these chores will go away. But if youre too lazy to work even to get things you want for yourself, Im certainly not going to let you sit idly on your rear-end with your face glued to both the TV and Facebook for 5 to 6 hours per night. Those days are over.
Q: How did your daughter respond to the video and to what happened to her laptop?
A: She responded to the video with I cant believe you shot my computer! That was the first thing she said when she found out about it. Then we sat and we talked for quite a long while on the back patio about the things she did, the things I did in response, etc.
Later after shed had time to process it and Id had time to process her thoughts on the matters we discussed, we were back to a semi-truce you know that uncomfortable moment when youre in the kitchen with your child after an argument and youre both waiting to see which ones going to cave in and resume normal conversation first? Yeah, that moment. I told her about the video response and about it going viral and about the consequences it could have on our family for the next couple of days and asked if she wanted to see some of the comments people had made. After the first few hundred comments, she was astounded with the responses.
People were telling her she was going to commit suicide, commit a gun-related crime, become a drug addict, drop out of school, get pregnant on purpose, and become a stripper because shes too emotionally damaged now to be a productive member of society. Apparently stripper was the job-choice of most of the commenters. Her response was Dude its only a computer. I mean, yeah Im mad but pfft. She actually asked me to post a comment on one of the threads (and I did) asking what other job fields the victims of laptop-homicide were eligible for because she wasnt too keen on the stripping thing.
We agreed we learned two collective lessons from this so far:
First: As her father, Ill definitely do what I say I will, both positive and negative and she can depend on that. She no longer has any doubt about that.
Second: We have always told her what you put online can affect you forever. Years later a single Facebook/MySpace/Twitter comment can affect her eligibility for a good job and can even get her fired from a job she already has. Shes seen first-hand through this video the worst possible scenario that can happen. One post, made by her Dad, will probably follow him the rest of his life; just like those mean things she said on Facebook will stick with the people her words hurt for a long time to come. Once you put it out there, you cant take it back, so think carefully before you use the internet to broadcast your thoughts and feelings.
He forgot to mention what happens next...ill-prepared kids who think it’s a cool deal to get $175,000 “FREE MONEY” from the government to “major” in Womyn’s Studies with a minor in Lesbian Performance Art, then get steamed when they can’t find an entry level job that does not pay the $150K/year which they think they deserve because they’re just so SPECIAL and GIFTED...oy vay......
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>>By destroying a valuable laptop. Could have achieved the same lesson by contributing it to a school or charity. <<
Bull. It’s his. The value of the lesson this taught, not only his daughter but kids around the country is much more than the bucks spent on this computer.
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Posting without reading the article, let alone the thread, has a long tradition here.
This is often *NOT* A Good Thing, as we are seeing here.
I think her lack of respect also set him off. She not only disrespected her parents, she indirectly disrespected elderly people in a pretty graphic way and she also disrespected the woman who does house cleaning for them. He seemed pretty angry at the way the daughter referred to “Linda”.
Yeah, I should have read the article, not that it would have changed my mind. Well, now they both have their 15 minutes of fame. Good for them.
Get real and quit whining like some “can’t we all just get along” lib.
There were safer ways to destroy the laptop, than 45ing it in that setting, but when dealing with bonehead kids, you sometimes have to get extra dramatic to get the point across.
But it wouldn’t have had the same impact on his daughter as seeing it destroyed before her own eyes.
This man is magnificent. Let’s find him and give him the Freeper of the Year award.
Good grouping with a .45 one handed..
From this article, I have to say he is an awesome dad!
She wants a 22 rifle?
I bet she’d probably want one more now. lol.
Had he hit the computer with sledge hammer, backed over it with his car or torched it on the grill there would be no insinuations that he’s violent and might shoot his daughter.
But because an evil gun was involved the reader’s brain wiring short circuits into liberal fear mode and produces an illogical reply.
Wouldn’t be surprised to hear the the family is approached for a reality TV show.
There were safer ways to destroy that laptop in that setting? Really?
You get real, okay.
1. We tried that in our household when my daughter was about the same age. There were endless weeks of whining, pleading, promising, whining, negotiating, sulking, whining, semi-tantrums, arguing, and whining. It did not work. I wish I had shot the damn thing. Because as long as they know it's still around, you could give it back.
2. He mentioned in the video that they had gone through the same thing several months ago--Hannah was grounded and had her laptop taken away before. Clearly it didn't prevent her from posting more insulting and untrue things again. Dad told her before that things would get ugly if she did it again, and she did it again, so they got ugly.
Nope....not even CLOSE to the same lesson-teaching impact. Sometimes the jackass needs the two-by-four to get its attention.
Right on the money
This gets to a point I've been wrestling with as a parent quite a bit lately. My daughter is EXTREMELY attractive, kind-hearted, and pleasant. She is also very stubborn, and thick-skinned. Consequently, while she never disobeys us in a truly agregious fashion, she also rarely obeys us circumspectly. (ex: hands the x to mom when we tell her to give it to dad, and visa versa)
As a parent, I don't want to be so punctilious that we actually punish her for violating the letter when she clearly submits to the spirit, but I very much want to instill in her the lesson that some infractions have permanent consequences that can not be undone, despite her turning on the charm, and I want to do so without making her bitter when charm doesn't work.
This dad's actions interest me for one main reason: daughter knows THAT laptop isn't coming back for "good behavior!"
He sounds more straight arrow than anyone else I have ever seen in my life.
Highly intelligent individual and SPOT ON with common sense and wisdom as well.
He needs to run for congress. LOL!
I think we would all be delighted to learn, Goldi, how many teenage girls you have raised, how they turned out, and what your relationship with them is like now. Have any of your teenage daughters posted an ugly, insulting, dishonest diatribe online to display their contempt for you and your values? Have any of them told more than 400 people lies about your cruelty? Have any of them showed such complete public ingratitude for your labor? If so, how did you handle it and what was the outcome?
If the answer is no, you don’t have teenage daughters and/or no, you’ve never been through anything as horrendous as this with them, then perhaps you should reserve judgment. This guy’s approach seems to be working very well indeed. Even his daughter seems to think so.
>>Hope he doesnt shoot the girl the next time he has a problem with her. He doesnt sound stable regardless of what the cops or CPS think.<<
What is your name over on the DU?
I think I read your post over there.
Really? You actually go to DU?
As the mother of two grown children, and having survived their teen-age years, especially my daughter’s ...this guy is great. Oh and I love my kids and my daughter not too long ago apologized for all the crazy crap she put me through. They are both great, responsible adults and great parents too. My son is similar to this guy.
I agree, Goldie how many have you raised?
I raised one niece, one nephew and now my own daughters (14 and 11).
The older kids (born in 1976 and 1978) are mixed. The girl is lost, the boy has a wife, four kids and two jobs. I got the girl later than the boy and she already had worked up a stubborn streak that I couldn’t break. The boy, however is what every kids should be. And I’m very proud of him (he named his one and only daughter after me).
My own two love me dearly and we work together to keep a good home. At 50, I don’t do any project nor household duties without one of them at my side. They are advanced students and pleasant to be around.
I LOVE this father. He reminds me of my own.
Me too, girlfriend.
>>You actually go to DU?<<
PJComix has the DUmmie FUnnies here.
They post it on FR. They go so I don’t have to.
But seriously, what’s your name over there?
Oh, blow it out your butt.
I think the man knows he’s not perfect and judging from his comments, knows that this incident may affect him as well.
What a terrific approach. He anticipated every possible scenario; from the press, interviews to reality shows.
Kudos to this family! Great example of what families used to be and should still be.
(what a great sense of humor too!)
Judging from the high-end finish, and extended mag plate I’d say his 1911 is most likely one of the newer configurations along the lines of a 1991 series 70 or 80 with the firing pin disconnect.
Probably just as safe as any other modern handgun in a similar “condition.”
I think ‘goldi’ is upset because ‘goldi’ is either a teenager herself or barely out of her teens. jmho of course but those posts have the tone of a young’un.
>>Oh, blow it out your butt.<<
LOLOL! You have such a way with words.
“I think the clincher that probably provoked gunfire was when she declared she couldnt wait until they were too old to wipe their own asses.”
I’ve used the reverse of that on my kids when they were in their teens. They’d balk on doing something to help and I’d pull the old “I used to wipe your @ass when you couldn’t so please give me a break”!
Yeah, I know. So you can dish it out but you can’t take it right?
>>So you can dish it out but you cant take it right?<<
Dish what out? Just asking the obvious question.
I linked the video to my Facebook page...with a thinly veiled message to my own teen daughter...letting her know that cellphones aren’t bulletproof, either. :-)
Well, if you had read all the FB entries that DouglasKC posted, you’d know he really wasn’t looking for 15 minutes of fame. He understood this thing had gone viral and wanted an accurate account of events and his thoughts on record, so he is making these FB posts. Which, given what we know about the general quality of media accounts in general as observant FReepers, is an eminently sensible thing for him to do. So, again, kudos to him.
I suggest we split the country down the middle and everyone who called CPS can move to one side and everyone who gave a standing O move to the other. But then again, we already have one 3rd world country on our border.
My niece works in the entertainment industry. I wonder if she would be interested in developing another reality show about a dysfunctional family...maybe some good can come out of this afterall.
Yep, sounds like either a typical DUer or KOS-kid.
If a tenth of your energy actually read the article, you would know he already turned down offers from broadcasters.
Not everyone is an attention whore.
Why do liberals always project?
Why? Schools and charities haven't learned the value of a dollar yet.
A month or two? The idea was to permanently remove it. He could have sold it or given it away, but this sent the right message.
I supposed it was because she chose to publicly reprimand HIM in the first place.
What an elegant linguistic style! What a sophisticated capacity for reasoned debate! What an elegant defense of a philosophic position, founded, as it no doubt is, in deep and broad experience with child psychology. See how she cites her own childrearing tribulations and successes, how she refers to the scholarly literature of psychology, how she enlists the doctrines of faith to advance her views. I am silenced by such erudition, Netmilsmom; how 'bout you?