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Fast and Furious: Rep. Darrell Issa Blinks, No Contempt Charges for Holder
Big Government ^ | Feb. 11, 2012 | AWR Hawkins

Posted on 02/11/2012 11:38:13 AM PST by Smokeyblue

For nearly a year now, House Oversight Committee Chair Darrell Issa (R=CA) and Attorney General Eric Holder have locked horns over Operation Fast and Furious. Throughout this time we have seen heated exchanges between the two during Congressional hearings, watched the DOJ’s narrative change more than once, and wondered why Holder has thus far been allowed to dictate the speed at which the committee can investigate him.

As of late, when Holder dug in and simply refused to the turn over the documents the House Oversight Committee subpoenaed, the contest between he and Issa turned into nothing less than a battle of wills. And Issa upped the ante when he drew a line in the sand and gave Holder until 5 pm on February 9th to comply with the subpoenas or face charges of contempt of congress.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atf; az; banglist; corruption; cwii; dea; dhs; doj; ericholder; fastandfurious; fbi; fraud; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; ice; issa; lping; obama
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To: WilliamofCarmichael; butterdezillion

Do you have a link? Thanks!


51 posted on 02/11/2012 1:25:47 PM PST by boxlunch
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To: South40

I lost all respect for Issa when he endorsed Romney. So this doesn’t surprise me or change my opinion of him.

I was going to say this is what we’d get with a romny admin.

If issa had enforced a deadline holder would have screamed RACISM, he already has.

Where is kevin mccarthy on this? really really disappointed in my local, so called, rep.


52 posted on 02/11/2012 1:26:00 PM PST by Chainsawj
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To: boxlunch

If it’s political suicide, they must believe that something even bigger than their own career is at stake. Something that would make their career moot.

In the case of Ben Nelson, he was willing to fall on a sword that not only ended his career but has made him practically a cuss word in Nebraska. After many years of half-decent service to Nebraskans. He was willing to give up his good name as well as his career. This is NOT politics as usual. I feel in my gut that it’s much larger than that.

And we’ve not had a budget since Obama took office. Besides that, when dems were the LAME DUCKS in Congress, the R’s STILL gave up the don’t-ask-don’t-tell policy, the budget battle, AND agreed to the treaty with Russia whereby the Russians now say we can’t develop missile defense systems. The R’s knew they would take the House if they just delayed but they wouldn’t even do that. Definitely more than meets the eye.


53 posted on 02/11/2012 1:26:57 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Could it even be something like threats from the cartels themselves?


54 posted on 02/11/2012 1:28:13 PM PST by RockinRight (If you're waiting to drink until you find pure water, you're going to die of dehydration.)
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To: butterdezillion

read the link I posted, and I was mistaken, it was as he became Speaker that this story surfaced and was supposedly being investigated by the New York Times.


55 posted on 02/11/2012 1:30:23 PM PST by Bluebird Singing
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To: Smokeyblue

Disappointing. All talk - no action.


56 posted on 02/11/2012 1:32:57 PM PST by jersey117 (Perry 2012)
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To: butterdezillion

Guess I’m reading from a different script.


57 posted on 02/11/2012 1:37:38 PM PST by TiaS
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To: Smokeyblue
So, Jeff Zaslow is married to a Sharon Margolis (Fox2 in Detroit). He went out of control and hit a tractor trailer and died.

Something about that is so Clintonesque it made me think of Marjorie Margolies (also a journalist) and the fact her son (by her convicted criminal ex-husband) is now married to Chelsea.

So, I looked for a connection and couldn't find it, but this dude also wrote a book about the recovery of Gabrielle Giffords. He must undoubtedly have investigated the background of the shooting a tad. Maybe there's some information in his notes for the book that might be of interest to Fast & Furious investigators.

Remember, the reason Jarred could buy a gun so easy is the FBI and ATF had the Pima County gun dealers so cowed that there was virtually no verification going on.

It's probably very muchworthsomebody's time to run down Sharon and see if she has dealings with this Margorie (and her anomalous spelling of the same name).

58 posted on 02/11/2012 1:40:46 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: ArchAngel1983

Agree! This mutual admiration big crooks society must be disassembled and restaffed with true public servants who have “X” time to serve their Country and constituents.


59 posted on 02/11/2012 1:51:33 PM PST by mcshot (Voter fraud will be the doom of the Republic as desired by the Lib Dems.)
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To: Sudetenland
Boehner and Eric Cantor approve on Fast and Furious.

That is why they put a stop to it.
60 posted on 02/11/2012 1:57:30 PM PST by Minus_The_Bear
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Could it even be something like threats from the cartels themselves?


61 posted on 02/11/2012 1:57:38 PM PST by RockinRight (If you're waiting to drink until you find pure water, you're going to die of dehydration.)
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To: mcshot
"Agree! This mutual admiration big crooks society must be disassembled and restaffed with true public servants who have “X” time to serve their Country and constituents."

I think we both know this country is too far down the rabbit hole for that to happen.

62 posted on 02/11/2012 2:02:45 PM PST by ArchAngel1983 (Arch Angel- on guard / Wenn Sie etwas sehen, sagen Sie etwas!)
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To: Outlaw Woman
You know Boehner is behind this...

Yes, he is. Read this.

63 posted on 02/11/2012 2:06:04 PM PST by upchuck (Let's have the Revolution NOW before we get dumbed down to the point that we can't.)
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To: South40
I lost all respect for Issa when he endorsed Romney. So this doesn’t surprise me or change my opinion of him.

John Bolton and Kris Kobach did the same and I still retain immense respect for each. Both want career advancement, and Romney seemed inevitable at the time. As an activist I may not like it, but I won't write them off for it either.

64 posted on 02/11/2012 2:12:12 PM PST by montag813
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To: Smokeyblue
Shameful!

Cowardly!

Disgusted!

65 posted on 02/11/2012 2:23:12 PM PST by Chgogal (WSJ, Kristol, Krauthammer, Rove et al., STFU. Thank you.)
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To: upchuck

That is what I was referring to. That article was posted on Tuesday, and some of us were hesitant about it because of the source. Anyway it is what it is as they say. He’s a traitor....they’re ALL traitors and should be hanged!


66 posted on 02/11/2012 2:50:27 PM PST by Outlaw Woman (When does the shooting start?)
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To: butterdezillion

Ace of Spades blog has a link to the USA Today article.

Friday Night “Fast & Furious” Document Dump, and Obama’s Great Compromise

http://minx.cc/?post=326611

Now it turns out that two of the “big fish” supposedly targeted in the bungled “Fast & Furious” ATF weapons export program were FBI informants. And their status as such made them essentially “unindictable” by the Federal Government. Well, what did you expect? Did you think that the Reichstag was going to torch itself?


67 posted on 02/11/2012 3:02:22 PM PST by Smokeyblue (Obama's got NBC problems and birth certificate problems - a bad case of Cluster F**ked.)
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To: montag813

Anybody know what’s become of Thad McCotter? I’m reading up on how the TARP stuff transpired, and McCotter was a big voice opposing TARP. What’s he up to lately? How about Mike Pence?


68 posted on 02/11/2012 3:12:10 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Smokeyblue
Did you think that the Reichstag was going to torch itself?

Brings up a nice point: has any Republican in Congress uttered the phrase "Reichstag fire" yet? If not, why not? It's not as though the Democrats were hesitant to throw rhetorical bombs, and in this case the bomb's not all that rhetorical.

69 posted on 02/11/2012 4:20:35 PM PST by Grut
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To: Smokeyblue

Later.


70 posted on 02/11/2012 4:21:33 PM PST by matthew fuller (Obama has definitely earned a second term- 99 years in Leavenworth USP.)
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To: Starboard

Politicians, the original useless eaters!


71 posted on 02/11/2012 4:56:55 PM PST by rawcatslyentist (BO Stinks!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
I think you have said the magic words here. This is one of the most potent sources of crypto influence inside the Beltway. There are several such influence networks that ramify throughout DC. The various Chinese networks for instance. Anyone who threatens to expose any of these hidden networks risks either career or life and limb.I have been called a foil hat by several here for alluding to these crypto political influence networks. However, they do exist and their baleful influence grows worse with time.
72 posted on 02/11/2012 5:11:40 PM PST by robowombat
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To: South40
I lost all respect for Issa when he endorsed Romney.

Romney?! Issa is an ACU 100 guy, like Tom McClintock. What the hell is he doing endorsing Squish?

Is that the price of a chairmanship in DC today? "You gotta endorse Our Guy when we tell you to"?

73 posted on 02/11/2012 5:19:07 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: boxlunch
BANKING GIANT ACCUSED OF LAUNDERING BILLIONS Ex-employee in New York has 1,000 pages of customer account records

Dr. Jerome Corsi has been the most active. This article does not cover everything. The Fast & Furious connection has been made by Dr. Corsi in his several interviews recently. Youtube has them. Just search for, corsi youtube hsbc

Speculation about Washington, D.C. being worried in MINE.

However, Dr. Corsi did say on the Barbara Simpson show on KSFO last weekend that his work exposing HSBC has brought more requests for information from Washington, D.C. than any of his past investigations. He is concerned about how to protect his story and -- the way I heard it -- he is also concerned about protecting himself.

74 posted on 02/11/2012 5:24:58 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: lentulusgracchus
I find this fairly disgusting.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2782531/posts

75 posted on 02/11/2012 5:31:39 PM PST by South40 (Mitt is full of Shtt)
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To: RockinRight
RE: Could it even be something like threats from the cartels themselves?

Not only threats of violence against the GS, SES, appointed, and elected government employees but also threats to stop payments to them. I bet. :)

76 posted on 02/11/2012 5:32:05 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Smokeyblue

Not surprised at all.

Fear is a terrible thing.


77 posted on 02/11/2012 5:42:42 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (NOT VOTING gets 0bamao re-elected and it's all downhill from then on.)
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To: robowombat
It makes absolute sense that such influence as you describe exists. Otherwise such things would not be so universally common throughout history -- I recall a mild form of it.. Washington Times reporter Bill Gertz said during an interview on KSFO radio that the Chi-Coms require American corporations to do the lobbying for them (the Chi-Coms) if the corporations want to protect their investments in Red China. Those were not his exact words but I recall that he did say the corporations were required to do the lobbying for them (the Chi-Coms) . . . .
78 posted on 02/11/2012 5:44:40 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: bigbob
Just a big mouth.

All the better to hold those b****

79 posted on 02/11/2012 5:45:21 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (NOT VOTING gets 0bamao re-elected and it's all downhill from then on.)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Mark for later.


80 posted on 02/11/2012 5:48:14 PM PST by Czar (NRA Life Member)
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To: RockinRight

You mean 0 and holder’s buds?

Have you seen the compiled video of 0 and his nose touching?


81 posted on 02/11/2012 5:49:46 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (NOT VOTING gets 0bamao re-elected and it's all downhill from then on.)
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Yes this is a straight forward cartel arming program run by the CIA. The Sinaloa cartel has worked with US intel for good while providing some access to their influence networks in return for a limited protection of their product network in the US. Now the SC is threatened by the Zetas who are far more competent and have far deeper connections to the Mexican power structure. The Zetas have recruited a substantial number of graduates kf the National Military Academy. The friendships and bonds formed by the ‘annual matriculation’, i.e. class year are far more important than the same sort of friendships formed at say West Point. Matricular fiends literally pledge to unilaterally aid and assist their ‘matricular brothers’ in any circumstance and anywhere. A number of the Zetas are covert and continue to serve in the Mexican Army. This is why the army as been generally ineffective in combating the Zetas and the despised and lowly Mexican Marine Corps (incidentally the most Americanized of the Mexican military) has emerged as the most effective force in the drug war.

The Zetas also possess an ideology. A crude one compounded of cypto masonic mumbo jumbo and Aztlan fantasy but an ideology none the ret that looks forward to fueling a guerrilla war against the ‘colossus if the north’ with the goal of A greater Mexico stretching from California to Panama. In this they see the Islamacists and the Venezuelan regime as their allies in a bloody crusade against the US. No one will talk about this in public in DC even off the record but it is a known known within the intel, military, and law enforcement establishment.

82 posted on 02/11/2012 5:52:08 PM PST by robowombat
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To: butterdezillion
Anybody know what’s become of Thad McCotter? I’m reading up on how the TARP stuff transpired, and McCotter was a big voice opposing TARP. What’s he up to lately? How about Mike Pence?

Thad used to be a John Batchelor (radio show) favorite, but not recently.

83 posted on 02/11/2012 6:04:35 PM PST by montag813
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To: South40
I find this fairly disgusting.


That was in September, when Perry was blowing up and it didn't look like there would be a successful challenger to slick, well-greased Willard.

Any newer thoughts now about that, and about why Issa may have gone for him then? More to the point, any noises out of Issa's office about supporting someone else? (Not that I think he would take his endorsement back.)

By the way, people are starting the "brokered convention"/"dark horse"/"stampede" talk. Which opens the door for a number of people: Christie, Palin, Huckabee, Daniels, Pawlenty, and others.

84 posted on 02/11/2012 6:08:54 PM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: MinuteGal
It was nothing more than Kabuki Theater, all participants playing their good guy, bad guy roles.

And you, my dear, have summed up the essence and, unfortunately for us, the reality of Congress.

These hearings are nothing more than a show.

85 posted on 02/11/2012 6:11:26 PM PST by Lizavetta (You get what you tolerate)
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To: boxlunch
Or the easier explanation is that they are bought off and want the power just like the democrats. Those in the party that don't agree just get marginalized from the leadership ranks and we have seen that happen. The system is past the tipping point when it comes to keeping the corruption at bay. Now the game in D.C. is to keep the upstanding out of the power circle and away from the makers and breakers within each party. If this continues as at it is, then we will transition from the current soft tyranny to a hard and nasty one rather quickly.
86 posted on 02/11/2012 6:12:45 PM PST by DarkWaters ("Deception is a state of mind --- and the mind of the state" --- James Jesus Angleton)
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To: Smokeyblue

If true, I give up on them. The GOP doesn`t deserve my vote or money.


87 posted on 02/11/2012 7:00:34 PM PST by ScottinVA (GOP, meet Courage... Courage, meet GOP.)
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To: Smokeyblue

Mirrors what’s been done on Obama’s non-recess recess appointment: Nothing. Is no one in Washington willing to tell Obama’s Regime they can’t do as they please?


88 posted on 02/11/2012 9:34:02 PM PST by Not The Other One
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To: Lakeshark

We might as well get a class-action shrink...’cause we are all gonna need one if the guy in the White House wins again.


89 posted on 02/11/2012 9:35:48 PM PST by madison10
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To: boxlunch; butterdezillion

“Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men’s views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the U.S., in the field of commerce and manufacturing, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.”

Woodrow Wilson, “The New Freedom” (1913).


90 posted on 02/11/2012 9:37:51 PM PST by Yooper4Life (They all lie.)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Anyone remember when Lyndon Larouche was saying it is impossible for the drug trade to exist without the cooperation of the banks and the government.

He was crazy right?


91 posted on 02/11/2012 11:37:00 PM PST by itsahoot (I will Vote for Palin, even if I have to write her in.(Recycled Tagline))
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To: TiaS

“Why aren’t the critics going after the last Bush administration where this whole thing began.”

From what I’ve read, it was carried out QUITE differently under GW than BHO. The guns were tracked and successful stings were made. Under Holder/BHO, there’s been no effort to track the arms - they just put them out there.

Motivations/intent between the two administrations are significant.


92 posted on 02/12/2012 1:20:55 AM PST by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: butterdezillion

“Because when Bush did it he had the approval of the Mexican government”

Thanks, I forgot to put that in a previous post. But yes, those two points made the program under W significantly different than under BHO. Holder/BHO also have the Mexican govt. po’d over all this.

Since BHO’s turning all our allies and rational countries against us, wonder what he’ll next do to anger Canada.


93 posted on 02/12/2012 1:29:01 AM PST by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: llandres

Well, seems like refusing their oil has sent them to China...


94 posted on 02/12/2012 6:42:53 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Smokeyblue
BBGolf

You can put away your tin foil hats, everybody. The Repubs just want to stay in the country club and enjoy the perks of office, as the nation drops into the toilet. Tough times ahead. Very tough. Scary tough. They're only interested in saving their own sorry behinds, and gettin' theirs before it all goes under:
Free in-house gold-plated health care 24/7
Their own little gas station under the capital dome selling gas at prices far below what the rest of us pay.
Free travel and hotels, to include the wife, kiddies, and girl friend (or boy friend)
Franking privileges
Representational allowance for the wife
Get out of Jail card
Insider trading
Sweetheart deals galore
Women throwing themselves at your feet
Foreign agents lining up to fill your pocets with money


Who could possibly want to rock that boat? Certainly not the current crop of Repubs.
95 posted on 02/12/2012 6:43:11 AM PST by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: butterdezillion
Sorry to take so long to get back to you, but some days I take a break from FR.:)

I read it in a post from the CoachisRight blog:

John Boehner to halt Fast and Furious investigation, sell out to Eric Holder and White House

But a quick search of the internet I discovered this:

Is Boehner covering for Holder in “Murdergate?”

Bob Owens says he contacted Michael Steel (Boehner's spokesman) and got a canned, non-committal, non-answer answer. I also found this on Ben Barrack:

Tancredo thinks Boehner is shutting down Fast and Furious Investigation

Ben Barrack received a denial back from Issa's office when he questioned them on it:
***UPDATE*** After sending the Tancredo column to Issa's Press Secretary and asking for a response, I received the following reply:

From: "Watkins, Becca"
To: "'benbarrack@yahoo.com'"
Cc: "Hill, Frederick"
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: Becca, What is going on here?

Ben,

Please use this on the record from me:
Leadership has been, and continues to be, supportive of oversight's investigation into operation fast and furious. There is no substance to these rumors.

I've cced me colleague above in case he has something to add.
I suspect that Issa doesn't want to ruffle Boehner's feathers so he will not complain and he won't confirm Boehner's culpability.

I guess there really aren't any men left in Congress, just a bunch of self-seeking, butt covering, politicians.
96 posted on 02/12/2012 6:54:05 AM PST by Sudetenland (Anybody but Obama!!!!)
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To: llandres; TiaS; butterdezillion
“Why aren’t the critics going after the last Bush administration where this whole thing began.”

First, as llandres and butterdezillion said, the program was very differently designed and implemented. Each purchase was monitored and each purchaser was followed. When they crossed the border, they were handed off to Mexican police. The Mexican government was fully on board with the whole investigation.

Second, when it was discovered that the Mexican Federales weren't sufficiently competent to maintain surveillance and lost track of a couple of firearms, the Bush Administration terminated the program.

The Bush program was of a much smaller scale and they only lost track of (I believe) 2 weapons before they terminated the program.

Third--and most importantly--the whole purpose of the Bush program was to track and then eliminated the illegal gun trade between America and the Mexican drug cartels. The underlying purpose of the Obama/Holder program was to discredit gun dealers and undermine support for the Second Amendment so that the Dems could then put draconian restrictions on our RTKBA.
97 posted on 02/12/2012 7:08:15 AM PST by Sudetenland (Anybody but Obama!!!!)
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To: Sudetenland

I wrote them both. Of course, no replies. It is sad, since Dems would have had a show trial even if the guy or gal were...innocent. LOL


98 posted on 02/12/2012 8:02:54 PM PST by phillyfanatic
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To: Sudetenland

“The underlying purpose of the Obama/Holder program was to discredit gun dealers and undermine support for the Second Amendment so that the Dems could then put draconian restrictions on our RTKBA.”

AND to have one more thing to falsely blame on Bush, using misinformation and propaganda that fools many as it did TiaS.


99 posted on 02/12/2012 11:22:08 PM PST by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: All
New information -- I have posted comments that Dr. Jerome Corsi at WND has claimed that it is possible that F&F used a mega bank the same way that illegal drugs seem to be using the bank.

HSBC banking giant is accused of laundering billions -- Is HSBC being used by drug cartels and terrorists -- and by governments for all kinds of shenanigans including Fast & Furious funding, passing stolen Obama stimulus money to his supporters?

Yesterday on the Barbara Simpson show (KSFO radio) Dr. Corsi said that HSBC has sued WND to get him to stop reporting using an ostensible reason that such reporting illegally exposes private account information. All account information published so far has been redacted. HSBC claims appear to be desperate acts.

Dr. Corsi's first article appears to be available but I have not located additional articles published by him. His media interviews are available on the Internet.

About said accounts. HSBC is using ID theft to set up bogus accounts to facilitate billions of dollars transfers. One victim was interviewed, whose account has seen almost one billion dollars pass through, and he had no idea that the account existed at HSBC.

What about taxes and accounts? I do not know the procedures (law) but it appears these bogus accounts were maybe cleared each day with zero balance at end of day. I am guessing.

100 posted on 02/13/2012 9:40:17 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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