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Catholic church stance on contraception policy speaks to subordination of women
New Jersey Star-Ledger ^ | February 12, 2012 | By John Farmer

Posted on 02/12/2012 9:22:56 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer

The squabble over whether Catholic social service institutions, universities and hospitals must offer insurance covering contraception under the new health plan contains a subplot with roots deep in history.

It’s the relationship between women and organized religion — a relationship that, over the centuries, has been hostile to the aspirations of women for a larger role in the family, the world and religion itself.

Organized religion, in short, has been a clerical stag party.

It is against this historical background that the tussle between what religious conservatives see as a First Amendment right and many women see as a health issue will be played out over contraceptive coverage.

The marginalization of women is just one characteristic of most major religions. The other, in one degree or another, is authoritarianism. They are not democratic institutions.

Their leaders don’t care much for doctrinal dissent. And they have a point. Why should they give any heed to dissent if they believe they’re following the divine will, that they’re doing God’s work? How can they be wrong?

This is a clash that never should have happened. Then again, considering how organized religion has historically ignored or marginalized women, maybe it had to happen.

(Excerpt) Read more at blog.nj.com ...


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1 posted on 02/12/2012 9:22:57 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Written like a true atheist.


2 posted on 02/12/2012 9:28:58 AM PST by Girlene
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3 posted on 02/12/2012 9:30:23 AM PST by narses
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The mincing little coward would never dare say that about Moslems, because they actually do treat women like property, and thye behead people who criticize them for it.

Safer to criticize Christians.

4 posted on 02/12/2012 9:31:41 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (FOREIGN AID: A transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I’ll bet $100 that this same person would be ok with ‘respecting the culture’ of the religion that requires women to cover themselves from head to toe.


5 posted on 02/12/2012 9:35:27 AM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Catholic church stance on contraception policy speaks to subordination of women

No, it has everything to do with the sancity of life.

6 posted on 02/12/2012 9:44:12 AM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The marginalization of women is just one characteristic of most major religions. The other, in one degree or another, is authoritarianism.

this is simply astonishing in the lack of self-awareness.

So a runaway government that mandates that citizens buy products they don't wish to buy, and to pay for services that violate their deeply-held religious beliefs is not authoritarian, but institutions that oppose same are?

We have truly arrived at the age of Orwell.

7 posted on 02/12/2012 11:03:02 AM PST by jtal (Runnin' a World in Need with White Folks' Greed - since 1492)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Those who are best at subordinating women are Moslems and Liberal Democrat males.


8 posted on 02/12/2012 11:06:35 AM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Girlene
A common reaction from the narcissistic Lib crowd.
9 posted on 02/12/2012 12:06:48 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Beware the Sweater Vest)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
So, in summation, women are no longer subordinated when they kill their children.

Makes perfect sense right? /sarc

10 posted on 02/12/2012 1:32:00 PM PST by Last Dakotan
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“Those who are best at subordinating women ...”

True - and I would add the “sister wives” crowd.

Christianity was the first middle eastern religion to even attempt to raise women to a position of having worth equal to men. Before that women were always chattel. Christianity hasn’t done a perfect job because we are fallen beings, but the goal was and is radical and true.

By the way equal means equal in worth - not the same in nature and proclivities - the false premise being sold by modern so called feminists.


11 posted on 02/12/2012 2:11:19 PM PST by stonehouse01 (Equal rights for unborn women)
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To: Last Dakotan

No no no- women are no longer subordinated when they can be exploited as sexual objects without consequences. The whole baby killing thing was just an unexpected perk....


12 posted on 02/12/2012 2:17:14 PM PST by Eepsy
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Such BS when pointed at Christianity-—the religion which elevated the role of women—in fact, the closest followers of Jesus and at his tomb were women. More women became Christians in the early Church.

Christianity (and God) is what gives women worth—led to the Victorian Age and that of Chivalry—where women were placed on a pedestal—and had their pick of husbands-—in stead of like in all other cultures which decided for the woman.

Such an ignorance of all history and culture—but it is the purpose of Marxist indoctrination—destroy knowledge and wisdom and destroy all Christian traditions because it is what eliminated slavery and evils which allow atheist/pagan peoples to kill and sacrifice human beings on their altars—or dispose of the weak.

Atheists/homosexuals/pagans/Marxists/feminists revile Christianity because it condemns all their demeaning treatment of human beings—including children and the unborn.

Another little tidbit of information-—with the promotion of contraception it has eliminated the respect of womanhood and motherhood-—made women objects for lust with no meaning or purpose but that of utility.

A very disgusting and evil world the atheist/satanists want for little children and women—ugly.


13 posted on 02/12/2012 2:33:26 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Such BS when pointed at Christianity-—the religion which elevated the role of women—in fact, the closest followers of Jesus and at his tomb were women. More women became Christians in the early Church.

Christianity (and God) is what gives women worth—led to the Victorian Age and that of Chivalry—where women were placed on a pedestal—and had their pick of husbands-—in stead of like in all other cultures which decided for the woman.

Such an ignorance of all history and culture—but it is the purpose of Marxist indoctrination—destroy knowledge and wisdom and destroy all Christian traditions because it is what eliminated slavery and evils which allow atheist/pagan peoples to kill and sacrifice human beings on their altars—or dispose of the weak.

Atheists/homosexuals/pagans/Marxists/feminists revile Christianity because it condemns all their demeaning treatment of human beings—including children and the unborn.

Another little tidbit of information-—with the promotion of contraception it has eliminated the respect of womanhood and motherhood-—made women objects for lust with no meaning or purpose but that of utility.

A very disgusting and evil world the atheist/satanists want for little children and women—ugly.


14 posted on 02/12/2012 2:33:35 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Such BS when pointed at Christianity-—the religion which elevated the role of women—in fact, the closest followers of Jesus and at his tomb were women. More women became Christians in the early Church.

Christianity (and God) is what gives women worth—led to the Victorian Age and that of Chivalry—where women were placed on a pedestal—and had their pick of husbands-—in stead of like in all other cultures which decided for the woman.

Such an ignorance of all history and culture—but it is the purpose of Marxist indoctrination—destroy knowledge and wisdom and destroy all Christian traditions because it is what eliminated slavery and evils which allow atheist/pagan peoples to kill and sacrifice human beings on their altars—or dispose of the weak.

Atheists/homosexuals/pagans/Marxists/feminists revile Christianity because it condemns all their demeaning treatment of human beings—including children and the unborn.

Another little tidbit of information-—with the promotion of contraception it has eliminated the respect of womanhood and motherhood-—made women objects for lust with no meaning or purpose but that of utility.

A very disgusting and evil world the atheist/satanists want for little children and women—ugly.


15 posted on 02/12/2012 2:34:13 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Such BS when pointed at Christianity-—the religion which elevated the role of women—in fact, the closest followers of Jesus and at his tomb were women. More women became Christians in the early Church.

Christianity (and God) is what gives women worth—led to the Victorian Age and that of Chivalry—where women were placed on a pedestal—and had their pick of husbands-—in stead of like in all other cultures which decided for the woman.

Such an ignorance of all history and culture—but it is the purpose of Marxist indoctrination—destroy knowledge and wisdom and destroy all Christian traditions because it is what eliminated slavery and evils which allow atheist/pagan peoples to kill and sacrifice human beings on their altars—or dispose of the weak.

Atheists/homosexuals/pagans/Marxists/feminists revile Christianity because it condemns all their demeaning treatment of human beings—including children and the unborn.

Another little tidbit of information-—with the promotion of contraception it has eliminated the respect of womanhood and motherhood-—made women objects for lust with no meaning or purpose but that of utility.

A very disgusting and evil world the atheist/satanists want for little children and women—ugly.


16 posted on 02/12/2012 2:34:18 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Such BS when pointed at Christianity-—the religion which elevated the role of women—in fact, the closest followers of Jesus and at his tomb were women. More women became Christians in the early Church.

Christianity (and God) is what gives women worth—led to the Victorian Age and that of Chivalry—where women were placed on a pedestal—and had their pick of husbands-—in stead of like in all other cultures which decided for the woman.

Such an ignorance of all history and culture—but it is the purpose of Marxist indoctrination—destroy knowledge and wisdom and destroy all Christian traditions because it is what eliminated slavery and evils which allow atheist/pagan peoples to kill and sacrifice human beings on their altars—or dispose of the weak.

Atheists/homosexuals/pagans/Marxists/feminists revile Christianity because it condemns all their demeaning treatment of human beings—including children and the unborn.

Another little tidbit of information-—with the promotion of contraception it has eliminated the respect of womanhood and motherhood-—made women objects for lust with no meaning or purpose but that of utility.

A very disgusting and evil world the atheist/satanists want for little children and women—ugly.


17 posted on 02/12/2012 2:34:27 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Farmer, I dare you to write the same article about izzlam.


18 posted on 02/12/2012 3:49:44 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
A message for John Farmer:

"I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born."

~Ronald Reagan, quoted in New York Times, 22 September 1980
 
 

19 posted on 02/12/2012 4:09:16 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Thank you FatherofFive!

It also speaks to the refusal of the Catholic Church to look upon woman as prostitutes and sexual objects.

Does this clown not remember Mother Theresa and the high esteem the church and others outside the church hold her??? And it is the RC church who honors the Mother of Jesus as the Spiritual Mother of Christianity. The RC recognized the the Holy Spirit came down and entered the womb of a human person, a woman name Mary, and result was our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

What on earth is this nonaense about the subordination of women?


20 posted on 02/12/2012 4:28:23 PM PST by Gumdrop
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