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U.S. Navy: Iran prepares suicide bomb boats in Gulf
Reuters ^ | Sun Feb 12, 2012 4:42pm EST | Warda Al-Jawahiry

Posted on 02/12/2012 5:57:03 PM PST by Hunton Peck

Iran has built up its naval forces in the Gulf and prepared boats that could be used in suicide attacks, but the U.S. Navy can prevent it from blocking the Strait of Hormuz, the commander of U.S. naval forces in the region said on Sunday.

Iran has made a series of threats in recent weeks to disrupt shipping in the Gulf or strike U.S. forces in retaliation if its oil trade is shut down by sanctions, or if its disputed nuclear program comes under attack.

"They have increased the number of submarines ... they increased the number of fast attack craft," Vice Admiral Mark Fox told reporters. "Some of the small boats have been outfitted with a large warhead that could be used as a suicide explosive device. The Iranians have a large mine inventory."

"We have watched with interest their development of long range rockets and short, medium and long range ballistic missiles and of course ... the development of their nuclear program," Fox, who heads the U.S. Fifth Fleet, said at a briefing on the fleet's base in the Gulf state of Bahrain.

Iran now has 10 small submarines, he said.

Military experts say the U.S. Navy's Fifth Fleet patrolling the Gulf - which always has at least one giant supercarrier accompanied by scores of jets and a fleet of frigates and destroyers - is overwhelmingly more powerful than Iran's navy.

But ever since al Qaeda suicide bombers in a small boat killed 17 sailors on board the destroyer U.S.S. Cole in a port in Yemen in 1996, Washington has been wary of the vulnerability of its huge battleships to bomb attacks by small enemy craft.

Asked whether the U.S. Navy was prepared for an attack or other trouble in the Gulf, Fox said: "We are very vigilant...

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: iran; iraniannavy; suicideboats; suicidebombboats; usnavy
The US Navy has "huge battleships" again, it seems.

Maybe this has something to do with the little spate of Iranian fishing boats needing rescue recently, or maybe not...

1 posted on 02/12/2012 5:57:11 PM PST by Hunton Peck
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To: Hunton Peck

Can we lauch a-10’s from Kuwait or Qatar? They would chop up those toy boats.


2 posted on 02/12/2012 6:06:56 PM PST by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: Hunton Peck

The distinction between an Iranian Navy Vessel and a suicide boat is moot, at best. What upper 95%-ile confidence level on the half-life of an Iranian vessel wonst the Shiite hits the impeller. Five minutes?


3 posted on 02/12/2012 6:21:28 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ceterum autem censeo, Obama delenda est.)
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To: Hunton Peck

Cole was 2000 not 1996


4 posted on 02/12/2012 6:22:15 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: Hunton Peck
The Iranian fishing boats were more probably a result of the economic sanctions that the West has in place that are crippling Iran's economy. Fishermen have to go out to make a living, but if it costs too much to get spare parts or maintain an engine, it will go by the wayside.

There may be some IRGC Quds Corps testing the U.S. response, but most are just broke fishermen.

5 posted on 02/12/2012 6:25:07 PM PST by GAB-1955 (I write books, serve my country, love my wife and daughter, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Its not suicide boats that concerns the Navy. Consider the following .Recently the Iranians demonstrated some technical sophistication. They overtook the guidance system of an advanced drone, landed it and took it as a prize. Doubtful they developed the technology themselves but it is likely it was supplied by the Chinese or Russians. Both want US influence in the area to end. The Chinese have a strategic concern similar to the Iranians. If there were a war between Taiwan ant China, the Chinese would want the Taiwan Strait cleared of hostile naval forces.It would be logical to assume that they developed an effective shore to ship anti missile system. Furthermore they may have sold such a system to the Iranians explaining their recent bravado. Our ships designed for open water combat are in the narrow confines of the Persian Gulf. Israel simply cannot tolerate a nuclear Iran and shooting may soon start. Our ships, brave sailors and marines will go wherever ordered.Just hope Obama is making the right decisions.


6 posted on 02/12/2012 6:42:10 PM PST by allendale
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To: allendale

This is the result of all those sleep overs in The Lincoln Bedroom during the Clinton Administration. Way to go BJ.


7 posted on 02/12/2012 6:45:14 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Hunton Peck
See:
The Swarming Boat Problem –What Does it Mean? (A threat to our Navy)

8 posted on 02/12/2012 7:07:09 PM PST by Ooh-Ah
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To: allendale

More airliners in the Gulf may have to go down.


9 posted on 02/12/2012 7:09:12 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Hunton Peck
Iran has built up its naval forces in the Gulf and prepared boats that could be used in suicide attacks

u.S. Navy techs test 1/2 second burst mode on Phalanx system.

Anonymous sources inside Navy confirm, yep, that would be suicide alright...

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10 posted on 02/12/2012 7:09:28 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Hunton Peck

Suicide boats should work only once. At least they should only work once.

Sort of like “fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me”.


11 posted on 02/12/2012 7:13:59 PM PST by yarddog
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To: Hunton Peck
I'd pay good money to see pics of a Phalanx taking out Iranian speed boats.


12 posted on 02/12/2012 7:17:02 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Obama's War on Prosperity is killing me)
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To: Hunton Peck

Sighted Iranian hostile ship Sank same.


13 posted on 02/12/2012 7:19:17 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: yarddog

I think you are missing the point: they know they cannot win. But if they send 100 missiles and 50 fast boats after a carrier, one might get a lucky hit. THAT is what they are hoping for, it’s counting coup.

We have to change our “concept of winning.”. That is so western. They “win” if the inflict damage on the Great Satan.


14 posted on 02/12/2012 7:20:57 PM PST by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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To: TLI

As long as they don’t have to wait for the lawyers to respond, our sailors can defend themselves.


15 posted on 02/12/2012 7:21:25 PM PST by steve8714 (Yoda's speech to Luke; copied from Jack Webb in "The D.I.")
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Hunton Peck, and thanks rdl6989 for the other one (now locked). Looks like the Iranians don’t quite count on their missiles and conventional navy.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2845747/posts


16 posted on 02/12/2012 7:24:09 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: allendale
If there were a war between Taiwan and China, the Chinese would want the Taiwan Strait cleared of hostile naval forces. It would be logical to assume that they developed an effective shore to ship anti missile system.

Furthermore they may have sold such a system to the Iranians explaining their recent bravado. Our ships designed for open water combat are in the narrow confines of the Persian Gulf...

Good points. Thanks for sharing.

17 posted on 02/12/2012 7:26:19 PM PST by GOPJ (GAS WAS $1.85 per gallon on the day Obama was Inaugurated! - - freeper Gaffer)
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To: Hunton Peck

An old coworker of mine used to work where the Aegis systems were built. These systems lock radar on the target and the ‘bullet’ traveling towards it. After so many shots lock on it opens up fully. When they were first tested they couldn’t get past the lock on stage. The targets were wasted just with the targeting rounds.

I wouldn’t worry too much.


18 posted on 02/12/2012 7:26:19 PM PST by Peter from Rutland
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To: Hunton Peck
HOZE-EM!!!

19 posted on 02/12/2012 7:28:47 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy
"Can we lauch a-10’s from Kuwait or Qatar? They would chop up those toy boats."

No need. The US Navy has learned it's lesson about small boats.

Almost every ship has the Typhoon Weapons System and a Mk-45 or better 5 inch/54cal automatic gun.

Like an Abrams tank gun all of these weapons have motion stabilized targeting via optics, infra-red and in some cases radar.

Send 10 small and fast boats at a modern US Destroyer from 3 miles away and not one will get close enough to do any harm. Send 20 from 5 miles away.

Put some birds up from the carrier and it's like shooting fish in a barrel.

20 posted on 02/12/2012 7:40:59 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Vermont Lt

I don’t think suicide boats would do any harm. In fact I can’t think of too many things which would work worse, at least if their intent is to ram our ships.

There are other problems tho. The exocet used by the Argentinians showed how vulnerable even high tech ships can be. There are probably naval equivalents to the RPG. It is a slob’s weapon but they can kill a tank, knock down a low flying helicopter etc. It seems countries like Russia, China etc. turn out these mass produced medium tech devices and sell (or give) them to any terrorist country or group who wants them.

If they have hand held missiles which could hit a ship at a mile of so and are aimed rather than guided by radar or GPS or something else which can be defended agianst, we are in trouble.


21 posted on 02/12/2012 7:44:03 PM PST by yarddog
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To: Hunton Peck

..Iran now has 10 small submarines, he said.

Good thing the US had the foresight to get rid of the S-3 sub hunters a few years ago.


22 posted on 02/12/2012 7:49:57 PM PST by opbuzz (Right way, wrong way, Marine way)
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23 posted on 02/12/2012 8:47:30 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy
We would have to patrol constantly and coping with large numbers of very fast small boats would require a lot of planes.

Iran must be convinced that messing with American ships will lead to very large areas of scorched Iranian earth.

24 posted on 02/12/2012 10:47:54 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

Simple solution is to deploy some Army AH-64 Apaches to aircraft / helicopter carriers. They would easily take down these craft with that gun.


25 posted on 02/12/2012 11:29:10 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: opbuzz

and doing away with the P-3 for P-8 which can’t don much of anything.


26 posted on 02/13/2012 2:44:44 AM PST by maddog55 (OBAMA: Why stupid people shouldn't vote.)
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To: allendale

I suspect that the control signal to the drone must have been encrypted. I doubt they could have broken the cypher without someone on the inside helping them, something I doubt happened. The drone may have been disabled, through mechanical failure or hostile action.

The only way Obama is making the right decisions is by pure luck or for the wrong reasons.


27 posted on 02/13/2012 3:54:13 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ceterum autem censeo, Obama delenda est.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

I would say closer to two minutes...Just long enough to take a smoke break, come back in push a few buttons, then its Miller time...

Again...

It almost takes the fun out of it...


28 posted on 02/13/2012 7:07:24 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: Paladin2; All

Look on the bright side...

We did find out that our SM-2MR’s worked real well on “bomber” sized targets, that were full of naked dead people already, flown by someone who was deaf, not listening to 121.5 (Guard)...

Captain Rogers waited almost to the minimum engagement range for that system before going red and free for that shot...

If the Iranians want to play again, they do so ignoring the outcome of that, and other previous engagements...

Stupid is as stupid does...


29 posted on 02/13/2012 7:22:13 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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