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How Dumb Do You Think I Am?
Red State ^ | 2/10/2012 | Michael E Hammond

Posted on 02/13/2012 4:51:40 AM PST by IbJensen

We don’t have all the specifics. But it is pretty apparent that Obama’s “deal” on contraceptives is a trick.

As to Catholic institutions, Catholic hospitals and universities would pay insurance companies premiums, which would pay for contraceptives and abortifacients. Evil doesn’t become good because it’s laundered through a third party.

But, says HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, premiums would go down because, inter alia, you would not have to provide health services to those pesky babies who would have been born, had you not aborted them.

But if this was a theological defense, it would have applied, whether or not contraceptives and abortifacients were specified in the insurance policy.

Incidentally, the 98-99% contraception usage figure which is being thrown about unchallenged? It is from the virulently pro-abortion Alan Guttmacher Institute.

Finally, what about individual Catholic or fundamentalist or other employers who have religious objections to abortions and contraceptives? The “deal” would throw them under the bus.

Unlike some in the Catholic hierarchy, I vigorously fought against ObamaCare and predicted the abortion-related problems they are now facing. Am I now to go to prison for exercising my conscience? And does the First Amendment apply any less to my religious beliefs.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: evilregime; lastdays; obozocare; whitehut
This insurance is supposed to cover abortions and medicines that cause abortions. Catholic and other religious hospitals would also be expected to provide abortions to patients. Obama and his 850 White Hut staffers considers this to be a woman’s preventive health. What nonsense.

America is on its last legs and the mountains of idiocy churned out by this White Hut and the accomplices in the Senate do nothing but to accelerate the bitter end of a Republic!

1 posted on 02/13/2012 4:51:45 AM PST by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen

Many Catholic and Lutheran entities are self-insured. Obama would still be forcing them to pay for the killing of the unborn with the morning after pill. This is his “compromise.”


2 posted on 02/13/2012 4:54:22 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: IbJensen

“Obama’s “deal” on contraceptives is a trick.”

_____________________________________________________

It’s more than a mere trick. It’s an outright LIE.

“Despite what President Obama said at his White House press conference, the actual regulations make permanent the “interim final regulations” issued August 3, 2011 — the ones that sparked the furor in the first place.

...The bottom line is this: “Accordingly, the amendment to the interim final rule with comment period amending 45 CFR 147.130(a)(1)(iv) which was published in the Federal Register at 76 FR 46621-46626 on August 3, 2011, is adopted as a final rule without change.” [Emphasis added.]

Translation: The Obama administration FRIDAY AFTERNOON put into federal law the very regulation that drew objections from almost 200 Catholic bishops, some 50 religiously affiliated colleges and universities, 65 North American bishops of Orthodox churches, numerous other Jewish, Evangelical and Lutheran leaders, and even some liberals — and without changing so much as a comma.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/290859/nothing-squid-ink-ed-haislmaier

Of course, the press is not saying anything about this.


3 posted on 02/13/2012 4:57:11 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: IbJensen

> The Catholic Bishops v. Obama

The Catholic Bishops cannot be taken seriously until they publicly excommunicate every politician that openly supports abortion, birth control, and homosexuality in defiance of their bishop’s correction to the contrary.

And the Pope cannot be taken seriously until he starts replacing American bishops who refuse to discharge their responsibilities in this matter with bishops who will.


4 posted on 02/13/2012 4:59:28 AM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: IbJensen

Constitutionally, what gives him the right to make any mandate on the citizens of America?

He is a dictator.


5 posted on 02/13/2012 5:00:14 AM PST by Reagan69 (I supported Sarah Palin and all I got was a lousy DVD !)
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To: IbJensen

America is only on its last legs if we continue to sleep and leave the current 8A residents of 1600 PA Ave in place. Personally, I think they just jumped the shark with this issue. They’re farther left than even a far left Church on this. Even the bishops are stirring from their slumbers. The only downside is the riots that will engulf the inner cities when The Massiah gets tossed out of office.


6 posted on 02/13/2012 5:01:31 AM PST by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: Reagan69
Constitutionally, what gives him the right to make any mandate on the citizens of America?

That's the heart of the matter and too many people are overlooking it. Health care is not the business of the president of the United States. It isn't his function; his job description is clearly set out by the Constitution.

7 posted on 02/13/2012 5:10:55 AM PST by Lady Lucky (First comprehend; then reply.)
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To: SumProVita

This is not about abortion. It isn’t about healthcare. It is a full scale, all out attack on the Bill of Rights one by one. It is an attack on our FREEDOM. Period.
The abortion issue is a thin veneer just like trying to blame the violence in Mexico on US is an excuse for an all out attack on the Second Amendment.

Freedom of Speech, Press, Religion and Petition

Right to keep and bear arms

Conditions for quarters of soldiers

Right of search and seizure regulated

Provisons concerning prosecution

Right to a speedy trial, witnesses, etc.

Right to a trial by jury

Excessive bail, cruel punishment

Rule of construction of Constitution

Rights of the States under Constitution

WHICH of these Amendments haven’t they tampered with, attacked, or ignored?
They throw out all these red herrings and we go swimming after them like a school of fish. In the meantime, the sharks are gathering out of our sight waiting to swallow us whole.


8 posted on 02/13/2012 5:17:14 AM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Lady Lucky
Reminds me of the old joke about the banquet, with the punchline: "You should have stopped me at the dinner roll."

Government is out of control. Has been for a long time. Some folks have just taken longer to see it.

9 posted on 02/13/2012 5:19:37 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (I am pro-Jesus, anti-abortion, pro-limited government, anti-GOP.)
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To: MestaMachine

-——This is not about abortion.——

Perhaps it should be. Perhaps the concept of abortion should be reconsidered in a different light.

Consider the concept of post birth abortion, very late post birth abortion. Apply that thought to conditions that are troubling.


10 posted on 02/13/2012 5:20:57 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: MestaMachine

You GOT it!!!!


11 posted on 02/13/2012 5:28:52 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: bert

There is only one way to look at abortion. Abortion is murder. There is no concept to it. Others can nuance it and rationalize it any way they want to. It is an absolute. Abortion is murder. It deprives innocent children of their most basic, most important human right. Life.
What you are insinuating is that ‘very late post abortion’ can be summed up as murder. There is a time for all things. A time to kill. And it comes whether we want it to or not. That is not abortion. It is war. And it is coming.


12 posted on 02/13/2012 5:35:02 AM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: IbJensen
But, says HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, premiums would go down because, inter alia, you would not have to provide health services to those pesky babies who would have been born, had you not aborted them.

I've been frequently put in mind, in this discussion, of the epilogue to the movie "A.I." - thanks to the convenience of "David" and "Darla" robots offering all the pleasures of having children with none of the hassles, the human race has gone extinct, leaving behind only the robots to search through the ice-age wasteland to find clues about the lives their creators.

13 posted on 02/13/2012 5:47:08 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Westbrook

The Catholic Bishops cannot be taken seriously until they publicly excommunicate every politician that openly supports the death penalty, too, right? Between pols who support abortion rights, and pols who support the death penalty, that pretty much covers all of them.


14 posted on 02/13/2012 5:56:29 AM PST by Dick Holmes
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To: IbJensen
How dumb does he think we are? The question is, how dumb are the swing voters, not us who would never vote for him anyway.
15 posted on 02/13/2012 5:58:41 AM PST by Dick Holmes
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To: IbJensen

“But, says HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, premiums would go down because, inter alia, you would not have to provide health services to those pesky babies who would have been born, had you not aborted them.”

She could go around, wearing a bumper sticker: “Kill babies! It’s cheaper!”


16 posted on 02/13/2012 6:05:33 AM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: bert

“Consider the concept of post birth abortion...”

Its called “infantacide” = “murder”.....


17 posted on 02/13/2012 6:07:01 AM PST by mo
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To: MestaMachine

It amazes me how liberals can justify and kill the most innocent of human life without hesitation, but defend the lives of the proven most evil of humans.

Killing in and of itself is not wrong. We have to kill animals for food, mercy, and humans in wars, self defense, and to put down evil, even through our legal system.
But when the innocent human is killed, and thus the term ‘murder’ is used, the morality of the act has to be accounted for.

Liberals are blind to this distinction.


18 posted on 02/13/2012 6:10:40 AM PST by Wildbill22
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To: IbJensen
How Dumb Do You Think I Am?

Well, considering that the foreign marxist, muslim, usurper received 59 million votes in '08 and after his destruction of The Country for three years, he has not been challenged by congress, or the courts and he still has rabid defenders and supporters, the answer appears to be somewhere below that of a moron.

I pray every day that America will wake up before it is too late.

19 posted on 02/13/2012 6:17:33 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: mo

‘“Consider the concept of post birth abortion...”

Its called “infantacide” = “murder”.....’

A birth in it’s final stages takes what? A few minutes? Seconds? And in that time the intentional termination of human life goes from “abortion” and a mother’s right, to infanticide and a high crime.

Twisted.


20 posted on 02/13/2012 6:29:44 AM PST by Wildbill22
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To: Wildbill22

The pro/had-aborts HAVE to defend partial birth abortion,
because to admit that there should be restrictions on it
is to admit there’s something morally wrong with it,

and there’s no deliniation all the way back to conception that isn’t arbitrary.


21 posted on 02/13/2012 6:34:27 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: IbJensen

Note to all: The author of this piece, Michael Hammond, is one of the nation’s leading legislative strategists. I had the privilege of working with him back when he was the General Counsel to the US Senate Steering Committee, and he was a marvel at twisting the left in knots. The Repubs in the Senate should bring him back to Washington to drive Harry Reid nuts.

Mike, if you read this, drop me a note.


22 posted on 02/13/2012 6:38:02 AM PST by hampdenkid
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To: IbJensen
I think we need to introduce some new terminology to the debate:

RECREATIONAL CONTRACEPTIVES

23 posted on 02/13/2012 6:39:35 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Dick Holmes

FYI, exercising the death penalty is not banned by the Catholic Church. From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

“Preserving the common good of society rquires rendering the aggressor unable to inflict harm. For this reason the traditional teaching of the Church has acknowledged as well-founded the right and duty of legitimate public authority to punish malefactors by means of penalties commensurate with the gravity of the crime, NOT EXCLUDING, IN CASES OF EXTREME GRAVITY, THE DEATH PENALTY.”


24 posted on 02/13/2012 6:41:14 AM PST by Mach9
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To: IbJensen
...it is pretty apparent that Obama’s “deal” on contraceptives is a trick.

It's not a trick. It's a tactic. A strategy. The Modus Operandi espoused by Karl Marx his own self: Two steps forward, one step back.

The net result is still one step forward.

But, in this case, Urkel has modified the SOP to "Two steps forward, one step to the side."

25 posted on 02/13/2012 6:42:05 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Dick Holmes

> The Catholic Bishops cannot be taken seriously until they
> publicly excommunicate every politician that openly
> supports the death penalty, too, right?

Absolutely!

Do they believe their own teachings or not? Do they believe the words of Jesus or not? Do they desire to be taken seriously or to be a laughing stock, picking and choosing
which of their doctrines to act upon?

Furthermore, I am certain sure that the very same politicians that support abortion, contraception, and homosexuality are OPPOSED to the Death Penalty.

So your point is DOA.

> Between pols who support abortion rights, and pols who
> support the death penalty, that pretty much covers all of
> them.

Please list for us the professing Catholic politicians that support the Death Penalty.

I can’t think of even one.

I surmise that they are far fewer than those that support abortion-murder, contraception, and homosexuality.


26 posted on 02/13/2012 6:45:59 AM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: MrB

Precisely.

To attempt to claim “when life begins” at some point in time is impossible back to conception.

To be unable to determine when life begins is to risk murder with any termination at any point after conception.

That is just too inconvenient for the leftist pro-abortionists. Better, in their minds, not to risk the woman’s choice, and to risk murder.
Then to live the rest of her life in denial of something very important.


27 posted on 02/13/2012 6:47:40 AM PST by Wildbill22
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To: IbJensen
...medicines that cause abortions...

I understand what you're saying, but to call such substances "medicines" is crazy. That's like calling a lethal injection "medicine". Face it-an abortion is the only legal medical procedure in which a death is considered a successful outcome.

28 posted on 02/13/2012 6:50:15 AM PST by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: Dick Holmes

Given the point raised by Mach 9 in http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2845815/posts?page=24#24, your point is DOA for reasons other than those I listed in http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2845815/posts?page=26#26

Good day.


29 posted on 02/13/2012 6:56:18 AM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Wildbill22

I believe the main driving force behind the pro-abortion movement is the need for the HAD-aborts to continue the facade of denial that they committed murder.

Satan is sitting on their left shoulder whispering “God will never forgive you for that.”

He’s a liar, of course.


30 posted on 02/13/2012 6:57:34 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: IbJensen
NO COMPROMISE!!! NOBAMA 2012!!!
31 posted on 02/13/2012 7:01:33 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (We the People are coming!!)
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To: IbJensen
he's just treating everyone the way democrats have always treated their own

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32 posted on 02/13/2012 7:04:48 AM PST by Elle Bee
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To: MrB

Excellent point. I have seen first hand, a couple times now, when people have to support abortion because they had one. (2 siblings) A decision based on fear at the moment in time with the convenient, but wrong headed solution in abortion.

Then the rest of their lives they have to justify it, and avoiding to ask themselves if they did the right thing as they justify it to the ghost of what could have been.

I have a 15 year old daughter who had a baby. When first we found out of the pregnancy it is amazing how everyone panicked. Even people who I thought would be firm in their previously declared beliefs wavered, considering abortion. When confronted with the situation and the panic I simply said “But I don’t believe in abortion”. And I stood by it, and my daughter was convinced. Now I have a beautiful granddaughter and nobody questions the decision to keep the child, which my daughter also wanted to keep from the start.

From this experience I see that many abortions are done out of fear. The absolute worst basis to make any decision. Then to be regretted the rest of their lives.

As for my situation, thank God.


33 posted on 02/13/2012 7:24:49 AM PST by Wildbill22
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To: Eagle of Liberty

The White Hut staff is awash in 850 assorted misfits as Obozo edicted that diversity is the name of the game when recruiting help.

Transvestites were specifically named as honored new hires along, of course, with lesbians, homosexuals, muslims, far left leaning blacks, etc., etc.

If this act of electing an unknown African as president to show the world that America is not prejudiced was designed with good intentions then the majority of our voters are stupid. This election of an America-hating, bigoted, narcissistic, communist-muslim was the most wrong-headed act in the history of humankind.

Get this pos, sob out of the White Hut: he’s killing us!


34 posted on 02/13/2012 8:02:54 AM PST by IbJensen ("The heart of the wise inclines to the right")
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