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The 136th Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show (2012)
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Posted on 02/13/2012 5:08:23 PM PST by nuconvert

Tonight & tomorrow night 8PM ET... Begins on the USA channel and switches over to CNBC after the first hour

All Hound, Toy, Non-Sporting and Herding breeds and varieties will be judged on Monday, with Groups judged on Monday evening.

All Sporting, Working, and Terrier breeds and varieties will be judged on Tuesday, with Groups judged on Tuesday evening. Best In Show will also be judged on Tuesday evening.

Six needs breeds will be added this year:

AMERICAN ENGLISH COONHOUND (Hound Group)

CESKY TERRIER (Terrier Group)

ENTLEBUCHER MOUNTAIN DOG (Herding Group)

FINNISH LAPPHUND (Herding Group)

NORWEGIAN LUNDEHUND (Non-Sporting Group)

XOLOITZCUINTLI (Non-Sporting Group)


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To: nuconvert
We turned it on in time to watch the hound group and best in show. I think that the judge of the best in show must just pick her favorite because they are all champions. How could she do otherwise? If I had been the judge I would have picked the PBGV just because of the dogs demeanor. What a happy dog! It did come in 2nd but it was 1st with me. :)
51 posted on 02/13/2012 7:17:22 PM PST by Ditter
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To: CitizenM

OK. The unpronounceable dog shows up. ;>


52 posted on 02/13/2012 7:24:33 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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I picked the Peke, but the wire haired Dachshound & Dalmation were surprises for me


53 posted on 02/13/2012 7:31:05 PM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert

Proud to say my dog’s co-breeder won BoB for both Dog and Bitch once again this year. Belgian Sheepdog, coming up!


54 posted on 02/13/2012 7:36:24 PM PST by rintense
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To: NordP

My daughter has a smooth doxie: it is a very attractive mouse-gray color.
The Germans call them `teckels’. http://www.teckelclub.org/

WWII General Manstein trained his teckel to give the Hilter salute. The general wasn’t a big fan of the `Little Corporal’ and it was always a big hit with Manstein’s dinner guests.
OK, I’m just nattering-on now. I’m a bulldog guy.


55 posted on 02/13/2012 7:39:48 PM PST by tumblindice (Whitey-American)
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To: tumblindice

Hilter=Hilton (Paris)


56 posted on 02/13/2012 7:41:42 PM PST by tumblindice (Whitey-American)
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To: rintense

Congrats!


57 posted on 02/13/2012 7:42:32 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: rintense

Rintense, are you talking about WD and WB ( Winners Dog and Winners Bitch )?????

Because the last that I remember when I was showing, and that’s been about 8 years ago, there is only ONE dog ( or bitch ) that is awarded BOB or BEST OF BREED at any show.


58 posted on 02/13/2012 8:20:32 PM PST by simplesimon (" God doesn't call the qualifed , He qualifes the CALLED! ".. FReeper TomasUSMC...)
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To: simplesimon

umm that should be SIX ( 6 ) years ago. DOH ~!


59 posted on 02/13/2012 8:21:49 PM PST by simplesimon (" God doesn't call the qualifed , He qualifes the CALLED! ".. FReeper TomasUSMC...)
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To: simplesimon

Could mean BOB and BOS (Best of Breed and Best of Opposite Sex). But there is always only 1 BOB.


60 posted on 02/13/2012 8:27:14 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: nuconvert

The elkhound placed FOURTH?

http://www.westminsterkennelclub.org/2012/results/group/hound.html


61 posted on 02/13/2012 8:32:28 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: NordP
They NEVER pick smooth red Dachshunds....

You're telling me?!

Weinie


62 posted on 02/13/2012 8:48:10 PM PST by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: nuconvert

Thanks for the thread. Are you going to post tomorrow nights show too?
Hope so, that’s the terrier group night. Love the Westies.


63 posted on 02/13/2012 9:57:10 PM PST by mojo114 (Pray for our military)
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To: NordP
Dachshunds Rule - thanks to you all for your stories and love for OUR breed! Darned 'ol Kennel Club - THEY don't know!

Here's my little guy Rex, having a bit of an issue with our having given him ear drops---he ran around the house and then ended up in one of their little "day cubes" ... Rex Hates Ear Drops!

Enjoy!

64 posted on 02/13/2012 10:13:21 PM PST by NordP (Common Sense ConservaTEAves - Love of Country, Less Govt, Stop Spending, No Govt Run Health Care!!!)
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To: Altariel

Never mind. I misinterpreted what I saw earlier. The elkhound won.

:-)


65 posted on 02/13/2012 10:19:50 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel


GCH Vin-Melca's The Norseman
Breed: Norwegian Elkhound
66 posted on 02/13/2012 10:21:19 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

Poor animal.


67 posted on 02/13/2012 10:23:35 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Altariel

The Wire Hair Dachshound won the hound group. Nor. Elkhound came in 4th (though I can’t imagine a better elkhound).
Seems to be a problem on the WKC website with the hound group results


68 posted on 02/14/2012 3:54:03 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: simplesimon

I agree with a previous poster, I’m sure BoB (best of breed) and BOS (best opposite sex to best of breed) was meant. It can’t mean WD or WB because Westminster is a champions only show.


69 posted on 02/14/2012 4:14:27 AM PST by Varda
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To: simplesimon

I’m going by whatever Westminster has listed on their site. :)


70 posted on 02/14/2012 4:25:47 AM PST by rintense
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All Group results of 1st night judging here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2846257/posts


71 posted on 02/14/2012 4:46:17 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Yup, only the only 1 BOB as I said......... Plus the judges at WKC do award JAMS.


72 posted on 02/14/2012 6:10:33 AM PST by simplesimon (" God doesn't call the qualifed , He qualifes the CALLED! ".. FReeper TomasUSMC...)
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To: nuconvert
Martha Stewart's Dog Wins Best-in-Breed at Westminster Dog Show


73 posted on 02/14/2012 6:15:33 AM PST by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Varda

Yup, I know WKC is a CH only show . I guess I was trying to get Rintense to be more specific LOL so just used the WD / WB terminology.

I’ve not shown for 6 years so I’ve been outta the loop with all this GCH stuff and how that goes. I read last night that they , WKC , are changing their rules somewhat , starting next year. I didn’t read the details but saw the headline on the WKC website.

I also looked up the labrador line up last night to see if one of the dogs I co bred made it in but he didn’t. But I did see that one of my favorite kennels has multiple dogs entered so I’m rooting for Pristine for BOB in Labs ~


74 posted on 02/14/2012 6:19:40 AM PST by simplesimon (" God doesn't call the qualifed , He qualifes the CALLED! ".. FReeper TomasUSMC...)
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To: rintense

Forgive my lack of Congratulations. ..... so I’ll say Congrats now. Better late than never :-)

I retired for the night right after I posted to you. I was in danger of having a keyboard stuck to my forehead ( falling asleep at the puter and hitting head on keyboard )


75 posted on 02/14/2012 6:25:08 AM PST by simplesimon (" God doesn't call the qualifed , He qualifes the CALLED! ".. FReeper TomasUSMC...)
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To: simplesimon

I haven’t shown in years either. I’m planning on showing again so I’m going to have to learn the new rules, titles etc.

One thing I’m watching are the clothes. Some of these people need wardrobe consultants. “Does this dress make me look fat?” , YES!

I’ll look for the Lab in group tonight. It’s always fun to have a rooting interest.


76 posted on 02/14/2012 6:36:39 AM PST by Varda
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To: nuconvert
the lady you saw with the Belgian Tervurens is the lady who has shown our dog in the past and we got our present dog off her. Darlene Lauren is her name and in the Belgian dog world the Lauren family is probably the most widely known. Shame they did not get through but for some reason German Shepherds usually get through and all the Belgian family, shepherd, sheepdog etc never get through to the final. Having been in that world for a bit I can honestly say much of it is who you know and who the judge knows. Again thank you for reminding us all this was on and I'll be looking forward to seeing the working dogs tonight.
77 posted on 02/14/2012 7:17:13 AM PST by manc (FOX, Drudge have shown their bias for the establishment after their attacks on Newt, watch out Rick)
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To: Daffynition

(Best OF Breed)

I thought Martha only did black things - black Chows, etc.


78 posted on 02/14/2012 8:00:30 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: simplesimon

What is JAMS? I haven’t paid much attention to AKC stuff in 20 years so all the new things they added mostly passed me by (all that Agility stuff, etc; my world was just conformation and obedience, with occasional notes on field trials).


79 posted on 02/14/2012 8:02:10 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: simplesimon

What is “GCH”? - I’m betting it doesn’t exist! Or is that a specialty club honor?


80 posted on 02/14/2012 8:03:51 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: manc

“for some reason German Shepherds usually get through and all the Belgian family, shepherd, sheepdog etc never get through”

Actually, GS have a harder time than they should, being the most popular dog world-wide for decades. They don’t win Group that much, and finally Manhattan won the whole BIS - years ago.

The problem consistently is popularity. These judges don’t actually deal with most of these breeds personally, so that itself is trouble. Then couple that with the fact there are few of rarer breed to judge. Judges don’t really get much practice with rarer breeds, and frankly I think they discount them simply because they don’t know much.

It was a shock for the Sussex Spaniel to win BIS the other year.


81 posted on 02/14/2012 8:08:09 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

GCH”?

Grand champion


82 posted on 02/14/2012 8:35:45 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
a lot of judges, judge on who is showing, who is the owner and who knows who. I've been to countless shows and seen this first hand and there is also a more ignorant view of the bigger dogs. When you look at most past winners, not all but most they have been the smaller types. Like last night the guy speaking said of Darlene who was showing and whom I've known for years and who I have dogs off. "The famous Darlene family for the Tervs" then went on and scoffed how she was a retired police officer but left out she was also military, worked with dogs in the military and the police.. Speaking of which I was with her at a show once and a couple of homosexual men came up to her and attacked her verbally because she worked with dogs in the military. While there is some decent folk there is a lot of strange angry snotty folk at these shows.
83 posted on 02/14/2012 8:40:37 AM PST by manc (FOX, Drudge have shown their bias for the establishment after their attacks on Newt, watch out Rick)
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To: the OlLine Rebel; manc
Manhattan was absolutely gorgeous - I remember him. He won in 1987, and was the only G. Shepherd to win Best in Show at Westminster.


84 posted on 02/14/2012 8:46:21 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert

was one of the most impressive beautiful German Shepherds I have ever seen, wasn’t too keen on the one last night though.


85 posted on 02/14/2012 9:05:40 AM PST by manc (FOX, Drudge have shown their bias for the establishment after their attacks on Newt, watch out Rick)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Lordy no! When I watched her, long ago, she *always* had a liver colored *Paw Paw* wandering in and out the viewing field of the camera. Then came *GK*...*Ghenghis Khan*...Back in 2009, she lost GK in an explosion/fire at a Pennsylvania kennel where he was being boarded. This is a descendent of GK, GK2 was bred by Karen Tracy, who is the co-owner.


86 posted on 02/14/2012 9:07:15 AM PST by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: manc

The GS last night was nice, but he’s no Manhattan.
He did seem to show better by the end of the nite, though.


87 posted on 02/14/2012 9:14:42 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

>What is “GCH”?<

Grand champion - AKC figured out that once the average dog got its championship, it went home never to be in a show ring again. So now people compete in the BOB classes to get a grand championship, then 2nd grand, 3rd, 4th, etc.

I’ll take my retired champions into the obedience or rally classes instead. I think a good dog needs a title at both ends of its name.


88 posted on 02/14/2012 9:56:51 AM PST by Darnright ("I don't trust liberals, I trust conservatives." - Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
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To: nuconvert

The German Shephard really had a working dog attitude when he showed. Beautiful animal.

Some of the other winners surprised me....Some more than others.

Looking forward to tonight. THe GS has my heart so far....and I’m not usually fond of that breed.


89 posted on 02/14/2012 10:00:39 AM PST by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: Darnright

How come, despite getting German Shepherd Review for 10 years, I’ve never seen in the gazillion ads or recaps a “GCh” or “Grand Champion” notated? Now, they’re more obsessed with the “specialty” side, and definitely our own “Grand Victor” (GV) is noted if the dog won that award (it’s not an honor, it’s just a single show that’s needed), but I’m sure some of them are in all-breed (Dallas) alot and I can’t believe you cannot get “beyond Ch.” via specialty shows.


90 posted on 02/14/2012 10:20:16 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: nuconvert

Manhattan was nice (strange for a Covy-Tucker Hill who are kings of the “American” dog), not perfect, but nice. I like the recent Dallas better (except the strange weak/side ears). Also, my dog’s grandsire, the wonderful top-level all-breed GS in the early ‘80s http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=523475

However, I’ll never forget attending with my dog the Old Dominion KC show way back in ‘85 or so (it used to be the biggest show in the country, if not now). He was listed to be there. However, he didn’t come. A GS man I was talking to said the dog was probably having “hip issues” because he often wouldn’t show up when his hips were bothering him. True? Untrue? In any case, it has marred my view of him.

(BTW, my not-so-great dog was 2nd of 2 in Novice! LOL)


91 posted on 02/14/2012 10:27:18 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: manc

This is my problem all the time. I want German Shepherd to be represented and win, but yet I moan and groan every year how poor the GS is. I’d prefer a serious, old-fashioned GS to win it all.

I thought the Rough Collie was gorgeous (they’re my 2nd favorite), and sorry he didn’t place.


92 posted on 02/14/2012 10:30:48 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

agree on all points.


93 posted on 02/14/2012 10:37:43 AM PST by manc (FOX, Drudge have shown their bias for the establishment after their attacks on Newt, watch out Rick)
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To: Varda

I’m planning on getting back out there here in a couple years or so.

I bred a bitch I co-owned twice and she didnt take either time. Lots and lots of money down the drain but ya gotta try. So I pretty much have to start over although I do have a dog I co bred out there that’s an AM/CAN CHampion that I’ll be able to get to use one of these days as a stud dog.


94 posted on 02/14/2012 11:41:03 AM PST by simplesimon (" God doesn't call the qualifed , He qualifes the CALLED! ".. FReeper TomasUSMC...)
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To: Varda

The bitch in labs to root for is really CH Tabatha’s Pristine.
Carol has I think 4 dogs entered. Pester is another of her extraordinary bitches.

I wished I could watch it.........wahhhhh but I’ll be on the lab forums to read about it.


95 posted on 02/14/2012 11:43:11 AM PST by simplesimon (" God doesn't call the qualifed , He qualifes the CALLED! ".. FReeper TomasUSMC...)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

JAM........Judges Award of Merit

That is a specialty show thing but they do it at WKC because all the dogs there are Champions of record.

I did the breed ring and Hunting Retriever Tests. My oldest lab bitch has her AKC JH aka Junior Hunting Retriever Title. Now her sire otoh, had over 20 Master Hunter legs/passes.


96 posted on 02/14/2012 11:46:10 AM PST by simplesimon (" God doesn't call the qualifed , He qualifes the CALLED! ".. FReeper TomasUSMC...)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

GCH is Grand Champion.....it’s a relatively new thing AKC has done.

I do believe you have to be a CH first to get any “Grand” points.


97 posted on 02/14/2012 11:48:44 AM PST by simplesimon (" God doesn't call the qualifed , He qualifes the CALLED! ".. FReeper TomasUSMC...)
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To: Darnright

I think a good dog needs a title at both ends of its name.
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Amen to THAT ~ I have labs and always strived to kee the retriever in the Labrador.
My oldest lab just hated showing , she is at home in the ring. I did breed her however, to a Champion / Master Hunter Lab ( Blades )who has now went onto the Bridge.

Blades ( Am/Can Ch Lorals Got Our Power Play CD MH ) has an incredible story to read.
He was burnt in what was believed , a fire set by peta A$$holes , in the dog trailer on his way to a Hunt Test.
Thousands and thousands later, he survived but it took a long long time and skin grafts etc and he came back to get his Master Hunter title. Freakin incredible dog. Just incredible.


98 posted on 02/14/2012 11:55:37 AM PST by simplesimon (" God doesn't call the qualifed , He qualifes the CALLED! ".. FReeper TomasUSMC...)
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To: simplesimon

“. Lots and lots of money down the drain but ya gotta try”

Tell me about it. My new puppies are three years and three failed attempts later. I’m co-breeder so if they don’t turn out it’s my fault! Having males out there for later breeding use is a good idea. The sire of my litter died 20 years ago.


99 posted on 02/14/2012 3:41:24 PM PST by Varda
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To: simplesimon

I saw a bitch named Plush with Pristine as the dam. She got award of merit but not the breed. As they say, better luck next year.


100 posted on 02/14/2012 3:46:36 PM PST by Varda
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