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Republicans drop demand to pay for payroll tax cut (GOP gives up and lets Obama play his games)
reuters ^ | 2/13/2012 | Donna Smith and Thomas Ferraro

Posted on 02/13/2012 5:57:21 PM PST by tobyhill

Republican leaders in the House of Representatives on Monday dropped their demand for spending reductions to pay for extending a tax cut for 160 million American workers, setting up a likely breakthrough for agreement with Democrats.

The about-face cleared the way for the Republican-led House to vote this week to renew for 10 months the tax cut set to expire on February 29.

The Democratic-led Senate would likely support the payroll tax extension as laid out by the Republicans, even though they prefer including in the deal provisions on jobless benefits and payments for doctors treating Medicare patients that Republicans now want to negotiate separately.

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1 posted on 02/13/2012 5:57:31 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Sell out ?


2 posted on 02/13/2012 6:02:03 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Beware the Sweater Vest)
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To: tobyhill
What a stellar leader we have in Boner. Way to fight for America Congressmen.


3 posted on 02/13/2012 6:02:33 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: tobyhill

(GOP gives up and lets Obama play his games)

Tobyhill, there’s a knife hidden in Obama’s cake on this one.

Allowing the payroll tax to extend and not requiring any cuts to pay for it means that we will be having another debt ceiling discussion in September instead of November.


4 posted on 02/13/2012 6:03:16 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (....The days are long, but the years are short.....)
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To: SaxxonWoods

Well, that would certainly ‘get out the (EBT) vote’, wouldn’t it?


5 posted on 02/13/2012 6:18:34 PM PST by skeeter
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To: tobyhill
GOP - scared to DEATH of the Obama main stream propaganda machine. Goebels would be sooooo proud of the example he set. If you want to see what is coming, study history. People and their habits have not changed.
6 posted on 02/13/2012 6:18:52 PM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Boner needs an intervention. Yo John, put down the bottle and stop crying... Then please go away...


7 posted on 02/13/2012 6:27:15 PM PST by Breto (The Establishment party is killing our country)
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To: tobyhill

They should never have tried this to begin with and just passed it through clean as quickly as possible. Giving Obama and the Dems the narrative on this was politically very damaging last year. On the things where we had an advantage, they rolled over easy, but on something they should not have fought, they charged ahead and fought tooth and nail and buried themselves...makes NO sense.


8 posted on 02/13/2012 6:27:56 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: tobyhill

Just to refresh people on the fact that this is cut to the Social Security Payroll Tax. Social Security is already in the RED. So this Tax goes right onto the national debt. Even the unborn Children get to pay for the old folks social security.


9 posted on 02/13/2012 6:31:59 PM PST by Revel
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To: SaxxonWoods
Allowing the payroll tax to extend and not requiring any cuts to pay for it means that we will be having another debt ceiling discussion in September instead of November.

At which point, our dauntless Republicans will...do what?

Stomp their feet? Hold their breath and turn blue? Make idle threats? Run for cover? Cave in? What?

10 posted on 02/13/2012 6:35:54 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: okie01

We know Boehner will cry...


11 posted on 02/13/2012 6:37:38 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: tobyhill
I fear we might as well kiss the House away this November. For all of his damnation and hellfire speaking when he is on the minority side of an issue, he can't even get ban on incandescent light bulbs.

He can party. He can tell his new bff’s that talking to the o-boy is like talking to a rock. He can't be an effective Speaker. It cuts into his party time.

12 posted on 02/13/2012 6:45:55 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: tobyhill

Another way at looking at it is the GOP separated the tax cuts from the other Dem demands, unemployment extension and doc fix. Thus this is a clean bill. If the GOP included the other provisions, that they didn’t support, they would have to vote down the bill and thus “not allow” a tax cut in an election year, as seen by the people.

Also, as mentioned, this moves the debt ceiling talks to before the election versus after.


13 posted on 02/13/2012 6:49:27 PM PST by bobsunshine
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To: Republican Wildcat
It's ok now because most Americans have the attention span of a gnat.
14 posted on 02/13/2012 6:52:03 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: Lazlo in PA
And the pundits are "perplexed" about low turnout at the caucuses and primaries and just cannot figure it out. Duh, one doesn't have to be a political scientist or a pollster to understand that the Tea Party sent their reps to the district of corruption on Jan 3, 2011 to STOP THE RATS. Not very successful so far, and I can certainly understand why there is a lack of enthusiasm for 2012. The GOP House had three chances to STOP this madness and caved in all three cases where they held a royal flush, and then had the gonads to hold press conferences to tell how they got what they wanted - e.g. promise the base $100 BILLION in CUTS, and settle for $30 million in less growth. Why - scared to death of the Gobels media.

IF OBAMA is given a second term, SCOTUS will be changed for the rest of our life time and he will take your guns away. Count on it!!!

Obama wants to outlaw guns in 2nd term
15 posted on 02/13/2012 6:58:34 PM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Republican Wildcat

“...provisions on jobless benefits and payments for doctors treating Medicare patients that Republicans now want to negotiate separately”

This modest success for the House- McConnell has had to get his Senate Rinos to agree to 2/3 of what we wanted last time- would not have happened without the earlier fight.

Sure, there’s an easier case to make that these need to be paid for with spending cuts.

Still, starving SS is irresponsible.


16 posted on 02/13/2012 7:01:57 PM PST by mrsmith (So... how's the Tea Party nominee for your House seat doing?)
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To: tobyhill

The GOP always, always caves!


17 posted on 02/13/2012 7:24:53 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: mrsmith

Don’t misunderstand me - the argument was legitimate, but just wasn’t the right one to wage since Obama had framed it to give him the advantage on the narrative. It got Obamacare, etc. off the discussion block.


18 posted on 02/13/2012 7:26:51 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: tobyhill
They're supposed to be building the planks upon which the Republican candidates and eventual nominee will run.

Do they not understand this?

-PJ

19 posted on 02/13/2012 7:29:34 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: tobyhill
Let's see what happens when the Republicans do this. 1. They are visibly cooperating with Obama's stated program. 2. They are ensuring that the next blowup on the debt occurs in September before the election. This is the equivalent of "give him enough rope to hang himself, and fight the battle when he can't afford to." Not bad.
20 posted on 02/13/2012 7:58:28 PM PST by arnoldfwilliams (If it were, it would be: if it could be, it might be; but, as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.)
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To: arnoldfwilliams

I will bet you the republicans will cave on the debt issue, too.

No one has the stomach to make the hard choices and gentle Ben just keeps printing money.

The American people still don’t get it.


21 posted on 02/13/2012 8:18:46 PM PST by Paraclete
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To: tobyhill

If I recall correctly, the threat was that the money used to pay the illegals EITC would be used to offset the payroll tax reduction. So this is not really much of a surprise. The GOP loves illegals as much as the DNC does. They were never serious about protecting taxpayer money from the thieving illegals. They want the IRS to give the invaders thousands of dollars of tax money that the illegals never had to pay into the system. The GOP has no intention of removing a single incentive that gives them reason to come here. Just look at the candidates still in the race. Not one of them can honestly say they completely support the American taxpayer over the illegals. So needless to say, no surprise here.


22 posted on 02/13/2012 8:20:28 PM PST by Waryone (Mitt Romney, the father of gay marriage and socialized medicine in the US, is a lying socialist)
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To: tobyhill
The GOP should own this issue and never fight a tax cut at any level. We gave this to Obama last time for nothing. The GOP should pass this in a NY minute and not look back.

They can waste their time trying to cut spending if they are serious about the deficit. So far, I've seen no evidence of that as the debt has continued unabated since 2010 elections.

23 posted on 02/13/2012 8:39:04 PM PST by AmusedBystander (The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next)
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To: SaxxonWoods; sickoflibs
Allowing the payroll tax to extend and not requiring any cuts to pay for it means that we will be having another debt ceiling discussion in September instead of November.

gee, i wonder how *that* will work out ???

these clowns have already shown us where their loyalty lies, and it aint with the citizenry...

24 posted on 02/13/2012 8:56:32 PM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: arnoldfwilliams

“Let’s see what happens when the Republicans do this. 1. They are visibly cooperating with Obama’s stated program. 2. They are ensuring that the next blowup on the debt occurs in September before the election. This is the equivalent of “give him enough rope to hang himself, and fight the battle when he can’t afford to.” Not bad.”
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If they do this the Republican leadership in the house needs to “associate” it with a bundle of potential offsetting budget cuts. This associated bundle of offsetting cuts should consist of a number of cuts with which most Americans would strongly agree (e.g., elimination of child tax credits for illegal aliens, ceiling on Congressional salaries, increase in the amount of contributions federal employees must make to their pensions [this is in Obama’s own “budget” just released]). The legislation would allow Obama to not actually implement the “offsets” should HE and his Czars declare that it was “in the national interest”. If Obama and the Obamamites decided to do this THEY, AND THEY ALONE, would own the resulting increase in the national debt. And THEY, AND THEY ALONE, would have to explain the need to do that as they seek another increase in the debt limit. And they would be doing this in the lead-up to November’s election.

My fear is that the Republican leadership in the House and the McConnell crew in the Senate aren’t smart enough to actually do things such as this — they always seem more ready to fall into traps set by the Democrats.

By the way, even if this were done with the national debt limit being reached in September remember that Obama’s Treasury secretary can do a number of budgetary “tricks” (e.g., borrow from the Federal Employees’ Thrift Plan’s G Fund) to extend the deadline several months. They did that from May through July/early August in 2011.

Our Side needs to be smarter in this game then they’ve been recently. The Democrats want more spending and debt? Then let them have in a way that there’s NO DOUBT that THEY own it!


25 posted on 02/13/2012 9:02:12 PM PST by House Atreides
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To: tobyhill

Why don’t they just register democrat and get it over with?


26 posted on 02/13/2012 10:46:27 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: tobyhill

Put another way,
John Boehner has got NO BALLS, eunich bastard.
Hey John, giving in on Fast and furious too there ya piece of crap[???


27 posted on 02/14/2012 5:04:10 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: tobyhill; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; NFHale; ..

I told you congressional Republicans would just cave to Obama on this again, they have no imagination. All that crap in December about the house appointing a conference committee was just smoke. They had no plan to put Obama on the defensive. Why didnt they just surrender this back in December and be done with it rather than make believe they serve some purpose in congress?

This is how you get Obama re-elected.


28 posted on 02/14/2012 5:37:31 AM PST by sickoflibs (You MUST support the lesser of two RINOs or we all die!)
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To: tobyhill

Of course now Obama and the Democrats will be demonizing the Republicans for not paying for this (by raising taxes on the
“rich”). How foolish the establishment Republicans are. What total FOOLS!!


29 posted on 02/14/2012 10:20:32 AM PST by House Atreides
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