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JFK: The hero as creep?
The Examiner ^ | 2-15-12 | Noemie Emery

Posted on 02/15/2012 6:40:55 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic

Last week, the other slipper dropped daintily when 69-year-old Mimi Alford, whose dalliance with the leader of the Free World as an intern had been documented earlier by Sally Bedell Smith and Robert Dallek, described in her own words her seduction at 19 by John F. Kennedy.

She thereby became one of a circle of "friends" entertained by our hero during a presidency that was doomed to be short, but intense.

In this, we learn that she was seduced on her fourth day at work, (and in Jackie's bedroom); that they sometimes played with rubber ducks in a bathtub, and that on two occasions he asked her to service his friend and his brother, giving new meaning to the words "executive order" in ways that are creepy indeed.

For this, he was not unfairly described as a "monster" by Timothy Noah, in a post praised by Powerline's Steven Hayward, in a rare note of bipartisan unity. Rich Lowry said it proved Kennedy's life was a "lie."

But was it? The idea that a man who will be betray his wife will also betray his country is one of those sayings that ought to be true, but is not.

Alexander Hamilton, Franklin Roosevelt, JFK and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. betrayed their wives often, some of them frequently, but all would have died before betraying their country, and did.

Victor Davis Hanson, a colleague of Lowry's, notes that Kennedy was far more honest in public than Richard M. Nixon, whom we believe never strayed.

In his defense, should there be one, Kennedy grew up believing this behavior was normal, seeing his father bring floozies into the household, warning female houseguests to lock the doors to their bedrooms, and rounding up women to sleep with his father whenever old Dad came to town.

His father-in-law slept around on his honeymoon, (one reason Jackie's perspective was also distorted.) In the Senate, he hardly stood out in a body that held Lyndon Johnson, Estes Kefauver, his old friend George Smathers, and 30 years later still sported Gary Hart and Bob Packwood. This partly explains, but does not excuse his behavior, which is only a part of the whole.

He was not a monster when he lied his way into the Navy, volunteered for hazardous duty and saved his crew when catastrophe struck it, swimming miles pulling a badly burned shipmate by a strap that he held in his teeth.

His crew did not think him monstrous when he swam into the ocean alone for miles at night, looking for rescue. He wasn't a monster when he gave his salary each year to charity.

He wasn't living a lie when he supported the Marshall Plan in one of his earliest speeches, and became one of the three early Cold War presidents who helped to design the institutions and strategies with which the war would be won.

His excessive side shocks because it seems so unlikely: He was not weird like Hart, hungry like Clinton, or an unbuttoned wreck like his kid brother, Ted.

He was otherwise disciplined. His other appetites were modest, and easily satisfied. Extreme adulation made him uneasy. He was stoic, and bore pain without complaint or self-pity. His sin seems less part of a pattern than a stand-apart blemish and flaw.

He deserves a kick in the groin from his wife and his intern, but not the back of its hand from his country, to which he always was faithful. He was a cad, and a patriot.

Deal with it all as you will.

Examiner Columnist Noemie Emery is contributing editor to TheWeekly Standard and author of "Great Expectations: The Troubled Lives of Political Families."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: betrayal; dynamic; infidelity; interns; jfk; patriotism; sex

1 posted on 02/15/2012 6:41:03 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Kefauver? What in the world did he do?

And how dio we know that JFK did all these other wonderful thing? So much about him was made up by his father and his spin machine that I don’t know what to believe about him any more. All I know is that the rest of the country did not live by his “standards” in those days and that is why people just did not believe the rumors about JFK during his run for office.


2 posted on 02/15/2012 6:44:07 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

IMHO having seen her interview, she was or became a self serving little slut. She’s also a phoney of the highest order.

Said she’d do it all again because it was “just too much fun”.


3 posted on 02/15/2012 6:44:44 AM PST by Williams (Honey Badger Don't Care)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Extreme adulation made him uneasy.

So I guess JFK would be displeased by stupid journalists like this one.

4 posted on 02/15/2012 6:46:38 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (I am pro-Jesus, anti-abortion, pro-limited government, anti-GOP.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Bet he never said “macaca” either. What a saint.


5 posted on 02/15/2012 6:52:00 AM PST by Lady Lucky ( Exposure to the Son may prevent burning.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

A bit of hypocracy for “conservatives” to whine about media exploited bimbo eruptions for Cain - then get their jollies on ancient stories to which a dead man cannot respond.

The guy has been dead for 50 years.

The attention and fascination is sicker than the original actions.


6 posted on 02/15/2012 6:53:56 AM PST by Eldon Tyrell (question,.)
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To: All

I’m sick of the Kennedy worship this country has engaged in.


7 posted on 02/15/2012 6:54:29 AM PST by Maverick68
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To: afraidfortherepublic

***The idea that a man who will be betray his wife will also betray his country is one of those sayings that ought to be true, but is not.***

We get it!


8 posted on 02/15/2012 6:55:42 AM PST by sodpoodle ( Newt - God has tested him for a reason...... to bring America back from the brink.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

“Alexander Hamilton, Franklin Roosevelt, JFK and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. betrayed their wives often, some of them frequently, but all would have died before betraying their country, and did.”

OK, so everyone does it, and as long as you love your country and are not a Republican, it’s all ok, even frequently. Got it. Thanks.


9 posted on 02/15/2012 6:59:09 AM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I can’t for the life of me understand why Mimi Alford would choose to come forward with this now at age 69.

“Obama absolutely wiped out her 401K” is the only thing I could think of.


10 posted on 02/15/2012 6:59:18 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Kennedy wouldn’t last 90 days today.


11 posted on 02/15/2012 7:00:07 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Who doesn’t love mythology? Just how much of Kennedy was truth or myth? I still can’t buy into the PT 109 thing. How can you not hear a destroyer or a cruiser coming on open water? And why would you stay idle with 3 12 cylinder Packard engines running, so you can be heard? That story reeks of party time and cover up. I guess it could be myth vs. myth too.


12 posted on 02/15/2012 7:00:19 AM PST by Bringbackthedraft (Who)
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To: sodpoodle

Yeah Newt was tested, and failed. Just like JFK.


13 posted on 02/15/2012 7:00:52 AM PST by SpringtoLiberty (Liberty is on the march!)
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To: Bringbackthedraft
I still can’t buy into the PT 109 thing. How can you not hear a destroyer or a cruiser coming on open water?

The Kennedy boys never did do very well when it came to navigating or driving near a body of water.

14 posted on 02/15/2012 7:07:00 AM PST by GreenHornet
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To: Buckeye McFrog

C’mon. So what if Kennedy had sex with a 19 year old intern and asked her to fellate his chief of staff in a pool while Kennedy watch. Barry was allegedly fellated by Bill Frist and Trent Lot in a Chicago bathhouse. Among others.

So why the double standard?

At least Frist and Lot were adults.


15 posted on 02/15/2012 7:07:15 AM PST by whitedog57
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To: Bringbackthedraft

That story reeks of party time and cover up.

....correctamundo, the biggest worry after the “heroics” was whether he would be court martialed for dereliction! Instead they ghost write a book and turn him into a hero. No honor and not patriotic to steal a presidential election in Chicago!

ymmv


16 posted on 02/15/2012 7:09:43 AM PST by ElectionInspector (Molon Labe...)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Character matters. He took a solemn vow to be true to his wife. He saw something he decided he wanted more...on several occassions...and broke that vow to obtain it and “have” it like a selfish little child.

One must wonder whether he would do the same if tempted strongly enough and break his vow to the country. Certainly, leaving troops on the shore in the Bay of Pigs would not be considered by those soldiers, who were fighting and expecting support, as anything valorous on the part of the President’s decision in that instance.

Kennedy gave a good speech, and did fight for his country and did so with bravery. I will give him credit for that.

He also set a national imperative to get to the moon which energized the country and he deserves credit for that and the incredible good it ultimately made possible for all of us.

Outside of that I do not believe he was an exceptional president, and certainly was not a devoted and true husband.

Same goes for Martin Luther King Jr., FDR, and others. King could give a great speech on extremly important moral issues...but then he himself violated morality abjectly as regards his wife, and it is well known that he was very partial towards marxist ideology...not something one would call “true” to the country.

FDR was pals with the mad man and butcher Joseph Stalin. FDR led the country through war, and victoriously, but then he sacrificed a big part of the victory by giving over 200 million people in eastern Europe to a communist tyrant as bad as the German tyrant who had been defeated. FDR was an out and out socialist in his own policy here in the nation outside of the war, and many of his policies were not good for the long term health of the nation or in accordance with the Constitution...many of which we are living with to this day.

So, I will argue against and take issue with the point that some of these folks, including Kennedy, were “true to the death” to their country. They were more likely true to themsleves and a number of those personal “ideals” were not in keeping with the underlying foundational values that built and sustain America and are enumerated within the constitution.

Today we are faced with abject and blatant peril to the nation from a person who is openly fundamentally altering the very basis of our Republic...a lot of it resulting out of, and having been enabled, by the bad policies many of these very men put in motion so many years ago.

America at the Crossroads of History
http://www.jeffhead.com/crossroads.htm


17 posted on 02/15/2012 7:10:22 AM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: afraidfortherepublic

So will this finally wipe the phony sheen off of “Camalot”???

Or is it just another ‘cool’ story about a leecherous cripple who was a mediocre President at best?


18 posted on 02/15/2012 7:21:31 AM PST by mkboyce
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To: afraidfortherepublic

When I was young and naive (17 and in Catholic school), my dad straightened me out on the Kennedy family.


19 posted on 02/15/2012 7:23:29 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: GreenHornet
"they sometimes played with rubber ducks in a bathtub"

"The Kennedy boys never did do very well when it came to navigating or driving near a body of water."

Ah, that solves THAT then. Playing with a rubber duck instead of a battleship or submarine.

20 posted on 02/15/2012 7:26:43 AM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: treetopsandroofs
OK, so everyone does it, and as long as you love your country and are not a Republican, it’s all ok, even frequently.

You might need to edit that. Recall that Newtie did it for the love of country, too, and he's a Republican.
21 posted on 02/15/2012 7:40:35 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: afraidfortherepublic
He was not a monster when he lied his way into the Navy, volunteered for hazardous duty and saved his crew when catastrophe struck it, swimming miles pulling a badly burned shipmate by a strap that he held in his teeth.

What a steaming, fetid pantload.

22 posted on 02/15/2012 7:41:15 AM PST by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
He was not a monster when he lied his way into the Navy, volunteered for hazardous duty and saved his crew when catastrophe struck it, swimming miles pulling a badly burned shipmate by a strap that he held in his teeth.

What a steaming, fetid pantload.

23 posted on 02/15/2012 7:41:34 AM PST by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: Bringbackthedraft
How can you not hear a destroyer or a cruiser coming on open water? And why would you stay idle with 3-12 cylinder Packard engines running, so you can be heard?

Most historians believe that Kennedy's boat was idling on one engine to avoid detection of her wake by Japanese aircraft. JFK reportedly would say to friends that the Navy was either going to court-martial him for losing PT-109, or give him a medal.

He got the medal.

24 posted on 02/15/2012 7:50:17 AM PST by IndyTiger
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To: mkboyce

The guardians of Camelot will acknowledge some of this stuff to innoculate their hero so that the larger myth survives. It also helps gin-up book sales — always good to keep this mission on a paying basis.


25 posted on 02/15/2012 8:00:20 AM PST by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

“OK, Mimi, this little yellow duckie is PT 109 and this little yellow duckie is the bad Japanese destroyer. See how the PT 109 duckie bravely lets the bad Japanese destroyer run him over! They say that I was sleeping at the wheel. I wasn’t sleeping!.....I was just resting my eyes so I could see better at night. Whoops! There’s a submarine in the area. Mimi! See if you can find the submarine’s periscope! Pull it to the surface!”


26 posted on 02/15/2012 8:02:07 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Sacajaweau
Your dad was a wise man, and obviously he wanted to be protective.

Some girls would listen to the tales of drugs, alcohol, and adultery and steer clear of the Kennedys. Other girls would listen to the same tales and make a beeline for the Kennedys.

27 posted on 02/15/2012 8:02:43 AM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: blueunicorn6

“Mimi, enemy fighter sighted. Quick, dock the submarine in the submarine pen.”


28 posted on 02/15/2012 8:18:31 AM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I heard that Obama had them put one of those kiddy boat rides in the White House, and he has Biden ride in the boat behind him while he screams, “Slow the ride down so that Joe, er, I mean the Japanese destroyer can run me down so I can get re-elected.”


29 posted on 02/15/2012 8:21:46 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Bringbackthedraft

His dad got him into the navy because he was screwing the wrong person’s wife. So diddy made him go away for a while.

A PT boat getting run over by a cruiser? Sounds like they were all asleep.


30 posted on 02/15/2012 8:54:31 AM PST by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
"Kennedy wouldn’t last 90 days today."

Unfortunatly, I think he would be as heavily protected by the media of today as he was 50 years ago. If it wasn't for Matt Drudge blowing the whistle on a squased story, 14 years later it would be "Monica who? Monica what?"

31 posted on 02/15/2012 9:14:57 AM PST by Lockbar (March toward the sound of the guns.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Kennedy Worship - media madness for the masses.

THOU SHALT HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME.


32 posted on 02/15/2012 9:20:18 AM PST by sodpoodle ( Newt - God has tested him for a reason...... to bring America back from the brink.)
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To: Lockbar

The internet, tabloids and talk radio would get him.


33 posted on 02/15/2012 9:23:59 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Bringbackthedraft

“I still can’t buy into the PT 109 thing. How can you not hear a destroyer or a cruiser coming on open water?”

I read here on FR many, many months ago, and no, I did not save the article, they were ALL asleep in that PT 109.

It finally made sense to me.

Kennedy was not the hero they painted him to be in this PT wreck. He was the problem.


34 posted on 02/15/2012 10:10:04 AM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
JFK stole the 1960 election, the election which destroyed America.

“However, if there is one man who can take the most credit for the 1965 act, it is John F. Kennedy. Kennedy seems to have inherited the resentment his father Joseph felt as an outsider in Boston’s WASP aristocracy. He voted against the McCarran-Walter Act of 1952, and supported various refugee acts throughout the 1950s. In 1958 he wrote a book, A Nation of Immigrants, which attacked the quota system as illogical and without purpose, and the book served as Kennedy’s blueprint for immigration reform after he became president in 1960. In the summer of 1963, Kennedy sent Congress a proposal calling for the elimination of the national origins quota system. He wanted immigrants admitted on the basis of family reunification and needed skills, without regard to national origin. After his assassination in November, his brother Robert took up the cause of immigration reform, calling it JFK’s legacy. In the forward to a revised edition of A Nation of Immigrants, issued in 1964 to gain support for the new law, he wrote, “I know of no cause which President Kennedy championed more warmly than the improvement of our immigration policies.” Sold as a memorial to JFK, there was very little opposition to what became known as the Immigration Act of 1965.”

35 posted on 02/15/2012 10:10:54 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: tx_eggman

“...swimming miles pulling a badly burned shipmate by a strap that he held in his teeth.

“What a steaming, fetid pantload.”

I too consider this a bunch of hogwash.


36 posted on 02/15/2012 10:15:03 AM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Kennedy wouldn’t last 90 days today.

Only if he were a Republican.

37 posted on 02/15/2012 10:17:52 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: 70th Division

Please see my post #34.


38 posted on 02/15/2012 10:19:02 AM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: GreenHornet

Kennedys - Can’t skipper a boat...can’t fly a plane...can’t drive a car...can’t ski.......but they know what’s best for us.


39 posted on 02/15/2012 10:20:30 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

He was a letch who treated women like meat. There is nothing to adore about the Camelot of a Kennedy - whichever drunkard letch it is.


40 posted on 02/15/2012 10:23:19 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer
There is nothing to adore about the Camelot of a Kennedy - whichever drunkard letch it is.

They should call it "Came-a-lot."

41 posted on 02/15/2012 10:25:17 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: dfwgator

Such a deeply religious clan. They fretted everso about which magnate to whore out the widow Jackie....They finally settled on Aristotle Onassis after the contract had been worked out and their idea of decorum had been preserved. We later saw the widow butt-naked in photographs (full frontal, BTW) at Ari’s pool, IIRC.

As a clan goes, the Kennedys are about the most despicable that has ever been, and now word comes of another Red-headed Kennedy monster ready to assume the Kennedy mantel in his quest for the Congress.


42 posted on 02/15/2012 10:31:55 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Lady Lucky

According to Barack Obama, the Kennedys brought his daddy to the USA.


43 posted on 02/15/2012 10:38:07 AM PST by a fool in paradise (If Obama brings troops home from Japan and Germany he can claim he won WWII finally as well as Iraq.)
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To: Eldon Tyrell

Amen. Never liked Kennedy, but this reminded me of something out of the Tabloids.


44 posted on 02/15/2012 11:38:00 AM PST by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: treetopsandroofs

And it’s a bit more than betraying one’s wife in the JFK case. JFK was exploiting the weak.

Hamilton did not do such a thing, nor is there any evidence afaik that the very troubling adjectives “often and frequently” apply to Hamilton’s case.


45 posted on 02/15/2012 11:50:25 AM PST by bvw
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To: afraidfortherepublic
"but [Hamilton, FDR, JFK, MLK] would have died before betraying their country"

(1) Untestable emotional hyperbole.

(2) What does "betraying the country" mean? In each case some other true and contemporaneous patriots had serious public arguments that each of those men were betraying their country.

46 posted on 02/15/2012 11:56:44 AM PST by bvw
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To: TomGuy

Thanks, yeah. I narrowed my scope to their examples, even though Al Ham was a “Democratic-Republican” - guess that’s what we would have called GW a hundred years ago.


47 posted on 02/15/2012 12:46:54 PM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

As a side note, Jackie’s reputation must be a fraud as well.

She really was a well-born airhead, and social climber who married for status and money because that’s all she knew.


48 posted on 03/04/2012 9:30:28 AM PST by PGR88
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