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Obama OMB Admits Obamacare Penalties Are Not Taxes (Obama's OMB admits Obamacare not constitutional)
National Review ^ | 2/14/2012 | Daniel Foster

Posted on 02/15/2012 9:41:00 AM PST by tobyhill

Rep. Scott Garrett (R., N.J.) had a nice gambit just now in a hearing with President Obama’s acting OMB director Jeffrey Zients.

First he asked Zients if the Obama budget imposes any new taxes on Americans making less than $200,000. When Zients answered that it did not, Garrett followed up by asking if an individual making less than $200,000 a year opted not to carry health insurance, in contravention of the Affordable Care Act, is the fine associated with that decision a tax?

After some hemming and hawing, Zients answered that the fine did not constitute an tax.

(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: democrats; healthcare; obama; obamacare; taxes

1 posted on 02/15/2012 9:41:05 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Hope he got that on the record somehow.


2 posted on 02/15/2012 9:46:32 AM PST by simplesimon (" God doesn't call the qualifed , He qualifes the CALLED! ".. FReeper TomasUSMC...)
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To: simplesimon

Rush discussing this now.


3 posted on 02/15/2012 9:48:06 AM PST by Signalman
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To: Signalman

Yup, I’m just listening to it right nwo.

Funny cuz I was just gonna post that..... GMTA I always say.


4 posted on 02/15/2012 9:51:35 AM PST by simplesimon (" God doesn't call the qualifed , He qualifes the CALLED! ".. FReeper TomasUSMC...)
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To: simplesimon
It was in front of a congressional committee. All the plaintiffs arguing in front of SCOTUS has to do is read this statement and the Supreme Court will have no choice but to rule it unconstitutional. There is nothing in the constitution that allows the Government to fine someone for not purchasing a product.
5 posted on 02/15/2012 9:52:09 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: Signalman

I just had to turn rush off. He’s pathetic. If this is the best we got against obamacare, we’re sunk.

The guy said “nobody considers this a tax increase”.

He DID NOT say “this is not a tax”.

I’m sorry but rush is a pathetic joke today. I’ve had enough of him for one day.


6 posted on 02/15/2012 9:59:18 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: tobyhill

Epic Fail!

LOL!


7 posted on 02/15/2012 9:59:50 AM PST by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks!)
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To: tobyhill

“Significant progress.....”

“Significant progress.....”

“Significant progress.....”

“Significant progress.....”

“Significant progress.....”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjklHhh5toI


8 posted on 02/15/2012 10:00:24 AM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (A MUST WATCH: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KeOLurcQaqI)
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To: mamelukesabre
Rush didn't say this is the best argument we have against Obamacare but what this does is undermine Obama’s own argument in front of the Supreme Court that this is a tax.

Obama’s whole argument is that congress has the authority to tax but now they say it isn't a tax.

9 posted on 02/15/2012 10:06:47 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

It does no such thing. The guy never said it wasn’t a tax.

This is a stupid waste of air time and a stupid waste of bandwidth on FR.


10 posted on 02/15/2012 10:13:18 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

If you don’t agree with the thread but commented anyway then you are just as guilty for “stupid waste of bandwidth on FR”.


11 posted on 02/15/2012 10:16:58 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Scott Garrett was positively brilliant on how he nailed Zients to the wall. It should be a great video clip.


12 posted on 02/15/2012 10:23:13 AM PST by iontheball
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To: mamelukesabre

Approx 1:07 of the video to the question “Is this a tax?”, answer “no”.

http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/obama-administration-may-have-just-undermined-its-own-legal-arguments-for-obamacare/


13 posted on 02/15/2012 10:23:56 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: iontheball

Video below


14 posted on 02/15/2012 10:25:41 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: mamelukesabre

You haven’t been following this issue closely have you!


15 posted on 02/15/2012 10:33:27 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: mamelukesabre

I turned him off around the time of the Florida voting.

He’s been in the sack with SAntorum for weeks now.

He’s a gutless wonder, that goes where the wind blows.

AS soon as we get a complete vetting of Santorum, this race an begin.


16 posted on 02/15/2012 1:50:10 PM PST by nikos1121
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To: mamelukesabre
He DID NOT say “this is not a tax”.

Here is the exact exchange:

Garrett: "A moment ago you said there's no tax increase...
Zients: There aren't!
Garrett: But that's not a tax?
Zients: No.
Garrett: That's not a tax. (Zients nods in agreement) OK. Just want to be clear on that because that's not what the argument the Administration is making. Let's move on...

It's pretty clear to me that Zients unequivocally said it's not a tax.

Rep. Garrett grills OMB Director over Obama 2013 budget

17 posted on 02/15/2012 1:55:29 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: tobyhill

EVERYONE - Please, you must remember - and if any of you have contacts to the law groups opposing Obamacare and this stuff,

remember that Obama himself in 2008, when running against Hillary, clearly stated that he was against Hillary’s healthcare plan because he thought the mandate was unconstitutional!!!

Now when he has a healthcare plan that is mandated, somehow it’s not unconstitutional!?!?

Same deal with him saying it was not a tax. Then going in front of the Supreme Court claiming they had the authority to do this because it WAS a tax...!


18 posted on 02/15/2012 2:14:43 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: dead

Well then, it’s not a tax. it’s a fine, IE broke a law. Therefore anyone not going all in for Bambi’s Socialist Policies is a common Criminal.


19 posted on 02/15/2012 2:17:45 PM PST by DAC21
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To: DAC21
Exactly. If you do not purchase a product mandated by the state, you are an enemy of the state.

That's going to be a tough sell, even to a split Supreme Court.

20 posted on 02/15/2012 2:51:06 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: tobyhill

But in court they will be taxes


21 posted on 02/15/2012 4:31:18 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: tobyhill

When judges are unwilling to defend this country and it’s constitution by acting on blatantly clear evidence that Obama himself is unconstitutional, then there is no hope.

The constitution says ANYTHING that someone like Obama says that it says.

It has no meaning.

Thuggery rules, and it doesn’t matter whether or not the mandates are constitutional.

Our court system has FAILED to perform it’s vital function of providing checks and balances because WE have allowed congress and the media to empower people like Clinton and Obama to put people in the judiciary that DO NOT BELIEVE in our constitution.

The evidence is in.

Court is adjourned.

Welcome to the USSA.


22 posted on 02/15/2012 4:46:37 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: tobyhill
All the plaintiffs arguing in front of SCOTUS has to do is read this statement and the Supreme Court will have no choice but to rule it unconstitutional

Oh, come on! You've not heard how Axelrod's words about Blagojevich's pay-to-play scheme regarding Obama's newly vacant Senate seat were conveniently declared "mispoke[n]?" Zients' testimony will certainly not be allowed to create logical dissonance to the administration's position before SCOTUS.

HF

23 posted on 02/15/2012 6:48:25 PM PST by holden
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