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More Doctors 'Fire' Vaccine Refusers
Wall Street Journal ^ | FEBRUARY 15, 2012 | SHIRLEY S. WANG

Posted on 02/15/2012 1:10:19 PM PST by FewsOrange

Pediatricians fed up with parents who refuse to vaccinate their children out of concern it can cause autism or other problems increasingly are "firing" such families from their practices, raising questions about a doctor's responsibility to these patients.

Medical associations don't recommend such patient bans, but the practice appears to be growing, according to vaccine researchers.

In a study of Connecticut pediatricians published last year, some 30% of 133 doctors said they had asked a family to leave their practice for vaccine refusal, and a recent survey of 909 Midwestern pediatricians found that 21% reported discharging families for the same reason.

By comparison, in 2001 and 2006 about 6% of physicians said they "routinely" stopped working with families ...

Most pediatricians consider preventing disease through vaccines a primary goal of their job. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and AAP issue an annual recommended vaccination schedule, but some parents ask if their child's immunizations can be pushed back or skipped altogether, pediatricians say. While rates for several key inoculations in young children rose between 2009 and 2010, according to the CDC, lower immunization rates have been blamed as a factor in U.S. outbreaks of whooping cough and measles in recent years.

Parents often voice concerns about autism or that their child's immune system may be overwhelmed by too many vaccines at once. Worries about a link between vaccines and autism arose because some parents noticed their children regressed, or lost some skills, around the time of their vaccinations at two years of age. Another concern centered on the former use of mercury as a vaccine preservative.

Numerous studies since have dispelled these concerns among scientists. Rather, scientists say, it is more likely that autism symptoms begin showing up around the same age children are vaccinated.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


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To: FewsOrange

You’re fired!
NO MEDICAL SERVICES FOR YOU!!!


51 posted on 02/15/2012 2:33:23 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: RFEngineer

The anti-vaccine people are a cult, just like global warmist.


52 posted on 02/15/2012 2:36:50 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: trailhkr1
On a side note, my pet peeve is dog owners who don't get their dogs vaccinated for rabies. They keep their dogs under the grid.

3-4 years ago one of these unvaccinated dogs bit a little kid in my area and the dog had symptoms of rabies so they started the painful shots on the kid and sent the dog to the local vet who put it down and chopped off it's head and sent the head to the state lab for testing.

Here in south Texas, dogs have to be vaccinated every year against rabies due to the fact that rabies is endemic among many mammal populations here. My dogs' veterinarian says other states allow the same vaccines to be renewed every 3 years. The reputable dog groomers will not work on any dog that lacks current vaccination records, and they only accept copies of documents from the veterinarian's office as proof of vaccination. They don't accept the metal tag attached to the collar.

53 posted on 02/15/2012 2:36:50 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: longtermmemmory
Been tried. It didn't work. Better to just do a little homework--the whole autism-vaccine scam began with a deliberate fraud perpetrated by a british doctor, a guy named Wakefield, and a trial lawyer specializing in medical claims. They had a great little moneymaker going, hundreds of thousands of dollars going back and forth, until real scientists took them apart in court and spit them out in little pieces.

But the cat was out of the bag and across America all sorts of frauds and quacks jumped into the fray, offering all manner of absurd and ineffective and even harmful "treatments," until a series of rigorous epidemiological studies showed that there is no relationship between vaccines, or mercury, or thimerosol, and autism-- or any other illness.

54 posted on 02/15/2012 2:39:42 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: To-Whose-Benefit?

“These are not “the good old days””

I know.

I miss the good old days when children were ravaged and crippled by polio, people died by the hundreds of thousands from smallpox, and all those other wonderful vaccine-prevantable diseases tore through populations making people sick, sterile, and scarred for life.

Damn vaccines ruined it for everyone.

I blame Dr. Jonas Salk, in particular. He was a dirty Jew, you know.


55 posted on 02/15/2012 2:39:59 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Just mythoughts

“You are clueless.”

Are you a bad parent, or are you blaming vaccines?


56 posted on 02/15/2012 2:43:56 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: ltc8k6

Also, who wants to take their kid to a doctor that also has unvaccinated kids as patients? The risk may be low, but why take it if you don’t have to?

I thought the patients that take the vaccines would be safe.


57 posted on 02/15/2012 2:43:56 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: porter_knorr
In fact Polio is eradicated in the US

Incidence Rates of Poliomyelitis in US

In 1953, there were ~35,000 cases of Polio in the U.S. By 1961, that number had fallen to ~1,200, and the number continued to drop until it was, as you said, eradicated. Care to speculate as to what may have happened between 1953 and 1961 to cause this dramatic drop? Perhaps Jonas Salk and the March of Dimes had something to do with it?

58 posted on 02/15/2012 2:45:45 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Jewbacca

It must be nice to be a selective reader. Did you know that before the polio vaccine, polio infections had been decreasing steadily on their own, and actually increased with the advent of the initial vaccines? The vaccines that were supposed to protect you gave polio to kids.

As well as SV-40 and a future of cancer and the precursor to the AIDS virus.

And smallpox didn’t put you in an iron lung either. Not everyone who got polio had to go into an iron lung either.


59 posted on 02/15/2012 2:46:03 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: RFEngineer
Sorry sir, you are slightly incorrect.

Not having the polio vaccine PLUS exposure to polio virus PLUS infection, leads to polio and then some percentage of patients exhibit consequences like nerve damage and paralysis. Perhaps that is splitting hairs but the absence of the vaccine does not CAUSE polio. Other factors have to be combined as well.

We also KNOW that exposure to polio vaccine CAUSES a certain percentage of people to suffer complications up to and including death. That is why Congress has created the vaccine fund and given protection from lawsuits to the manufactures.

From a public policy perspective, reducing the number of people who can get and thus transmit polio is a good thing. However there is a point where further using is harming more patients that the threat of the disease. This is the current state of affairs within the United States.

From an individual perspective, it sucks being on the wrong side of the percentages. So if your child just happens to be in that small percentage ... well, your child is still damaged by the choice that you made. Some parents believe that the risk for getting polio is now so low in the United States that the risk of side effects from the vaccine are greater than the risks of getting the disease.

As in all choices, it is a trade off and a risk comparison. I and my kids are vaccinated. Alot of that has to do with the fact that I travel all over the world and to some pretty exotic places ... well did, not so much any more. To my view, the chance of exposure to polio is higher because I did travel to 3rd world countries. Thus to me, the risk of my kids getting polio was higher than the norm in the US. We are also vaccinated against some other rather nasty less common diseases as well.

What I fear greater than the disease itself is a government that takes over so much of the health care industry that what was once my choice and between me and my doctor, becomes a forced program where the government controls what goes into your body, the last truely "private" property.

60 posted on 02/15/2012 2:46:12 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: tbw2
All babies in a pediatric office are vulnerable to diseases carried by unvaccinated children.

As are 'babies' in the local Wal-Mart. Do you for one minute believe the illegal invasion has been vaccinated? Priorities priorities priorities.... About 4 years ago for the first time in my life, a MD asked me if I had been exposed to TB. I asked how would I know? He got tongue tied, and then asked IF I had been to a foreign country, OR been in contact with 'foreigners'. I went hmmmmm NOT to my knowledge but I have been to Wal-Mart. See on my medical history form I put n/a, so this required follow up questions.

61 posted on 02/15/2012 2:46:58 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Jewbacca

“The anti-vaccine people are a cult, just like global warmist.”

I agree, but the problem with the anti-vaccine people is that if you don’t slap them down hard, folks may listen to them.

They have the real potential to hurt innocent people that might listen to them. They do not care. They think “herd immunity” means they can be bad parents.


62 posted on 02/15/2012 2:48:19 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: Secret Agent Man

It’s true.

Osama Bin Laden and you are right. Vaccines are a dirty Jew plot to drain your bodily fluids.


63 posted on 02/15/2012 2:49:15 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: FewsOrange

so what kind of relationship is there between the doc and a patient that basically said nope. You have to fire them.


64 posted on 02/15/2012 2:49:45 PM PST by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: FewsOrange

After a severe reaction to a pertussis vaccine by our first daughter, our pediatrician told us that not to give that vaccine to any other of our children.
For a number of years, every case of polio in the US was directly or indirectly caused by the live vaccine. There was a safe alternative available yet the doctors and drug companies continued giving the live version. They sure can be trusted with your children.


65 posted on 02/15/2012 2:50:23 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Jewbacca

“I blame Dr. Jonas Salk, in particular. He was a dirty Jew, you know.”

That one’s rich, really. How did you manage to interpret my comments as anti-semitic?

Anti Vaccine people are a Cult like Global Warmists?

Would those jew haters you’re upset about also include the people at Merck who make the Gardasil? You know, those people who hate Dr Salk because all 13 separate lots of the Gardasil tested contained recombinant HPV DNA which is not supposed to be in Gardasil?

I don’t seem to remember any jew bashing going on on that cafepharma thread, just people who Make the stuff claiming they wouldn’t give it to their own children.


66 posted on 02/15/2012 2:51:06 PM PST by To-Whose-Benefit? (It is Error alone which needs the support of Government. The Truth can stand by itself.)
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To: RFEngineer

“I agree, but the problem with the anti-vaccine people is that if you don’t slap them down hard, folks may listen to them.”

Well, if we’re lucky, their kids will get German measles or mumps, become sterile, and they’ll drop out of the gene pool.


67 posted on 02/15/2012 2:51:08 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: To-Whose-Benefit?

No, I’m just mocking you because you’re an idiot.


68 posted on 02/15/2012 2:52:07 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Jewbacca

I find professionals that have the notion of firing customers/clients/patrons to be quaint. It is as if they have no control in their lives and have to adopt the obamaeque delusion of word twisting.

Just say you refused them as a customer/client/patient/patron it is much less taxing on the conscience.

Doctors don’t have a problem with clients who smoke/overeat/underexcercise/don’t flu vaccinate.


69 posted on 02/15/2012 2:52:34 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Claud

* the sheer aggressiveness of piggybacked vaccines

... I agree and think that is the worst, most dangerous example. I started to look differently at Dr.s when my toddler daughter was in the Emerg Room for a febral seizure and the Docs wanted to give her a Spinal Tap ... just to rule out menengitis (or cover their butts for legal). My wife and I said over my dead body and checked her out post haste.

It’s a different world out there and no longer the days of Dr. Welby...

ymmv


70 posted on 02/15/2012 2:52:48 PM PST by ElectionInspector (Molon Labe...)
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To: Secret Agent Man
It is obvious you really don't know very much about the larger picture. If vaccines "don't work all that well," what became of smallpox? Polio? Diptheria?

How about rabies vaccine? Get rabies and take it, you live. Don't take it, you die. Then there's tetanus. How many cases of that have you heard about lately?

Obviously vaccines as active agents will have a certain risk, tiny but greater than zero. So much is true for any medicine or treatment whatsover. If you want to avoid 100% of that risk fine, just give up on all of medicine whatsoever, and good luck to you.

It's fine to bloviate opinions from the fringe but I worry some fairly naive person may read your rants, not have the background to see it for what it is, and maybe make a very bad decision as a result. Maybe that possibility doesn't bother you though.

71 posted on 02/15/2012 2:52:53 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: RFEngineer
Are you a bad parent, or are you blaming vaccines?

The child that was irrecoverably 'harmed' is NOT my child. I did know the child prior to the vaccination and I personally saw what is now labeled 'autism' by some medical agency took place.

I also know that a parent must give the consent for their child to be vaccinated and there is within the consent 'possible' reactions to the vaccine.

I have NO clue IF the vaccine is 'responsible', but I sure witnessed enough on my own that the 'parenting' is NOT responsible. I know something happened.

72 posted on 02/15/2012 2:52:55 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Ozymandias Ghost

By allowing children, whose parents refuse to have them vaccinated, access to his/her office, a physician would violate medical ethics and risk possible legal jeopardy for allowing other patients to be exposed to an unnecessary risk.

I assume that these other patients are vaccinated. Don’t you trust their immunity? Are you aware that recently vaccinated children can be carriers of the disease they were vaccinated against.


73 posted on 02/15/2012 2:53:59 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Jewbacca

Seems the doctor is displaying more of a global warming scientist mentality, not the parents.

Experts telling you what’s best and mocking you if you don’t hold their view.

Sounds like you’re there too, comparing them to a cult.

Why are you unhappy there are some people who make medical decisions different from what you believe? Nobody gives a sh1t about their own health or their kids more than they do. If you get screwed up permanently you have to live in that body. If your kid’s screwed up permanently you have to take care of that kid for the rest of your life with huge medical bills. The doctor or the pharma company doesn’t give two sh1ts about that. You have to be your best advocate in terms of safety, at all times.


74 posted on 02/15/2012 2:54:29 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: freedomfiter2

Many of these vaccines also would qualify as being exposed to an unnecessary risk.


75 posted on 02/15/2012 2:55:23 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Jewbacca; RFEngineer
“I agree, but the problem with the anti-vaccine people is that if you don’t slap them down hard, folks may listen to them.” Well, if we’re lucky, their kids will get German measles or mumps, become sterile, and they’ll drop out of the gene pool.

Slap all you need. I personally know one young man that neither of you will have to be worrying about infecting your gene pools... He was vaccinated and it is doubtful he will ever have children. Personally with or without vaccinations I suspect both your gene pools.

76 posted on 02/15/2012 2:59:01 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Cato in PA

The way they mock and deride most people who ask them to defend the status quo is shameful.

It’s also typical behaviour for herd type people that don’t want to think for themselves.


77 posted on 02/15/2012 2:59:53 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: taxcontrol

“....that what was once my choice and between me and my doctor, becomes a forced program where the government controls what goes into your body, the last truely “private” property.”

THis is actually the only valid argument against vaccinations - freedom of choice in a free country. Of course nobody makes this argument in practice because it’s insane.

The vaccine opponents choose to say “vaccines are bad” or “I won’t poison my kids” or some other such ridiculous argument - where they create huge risks for their kids and other peoples kids.

I absolutely agree that it should be voluntary, but the stupidity of not getting your kids vaccinated cannot be overstated, in my opinion.


78 posted on 02/15/2012 3:00:04 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: All

how hard it it to order a dead virus vaccine?

and

how hard it is to order non multiple disease vaccinations?


79 posted on 02/15/2012 3:02:27 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Just mythoughts

“I know something happened. “

Can you narrow it down a bit, or is it just easier to blame vaccines?


80 posted on 02/15/2012 3:02:41 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: Morgana
the proper word would be discharged, not fired...
81 posted on 02/15/2012 3:03:40 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Jewbacca

“No, I’m just mocking you because you’re an idiot.”

OK. Your argument so far, is, Jonas Salk was Jewish. Jonas Salk invented a terrific vaccine. It was a great boon to mankind. Therefore, anyone who questions anyone Else who makes a vaccine must be an idiot cultist who believes in global warming and hates Jews.

Have I got that right?


82 posted on 02/15/2012 3:06:19 PM PST by To-Whose-Benefit? (It is Error alone which needs the support of Government. The Truth can stand by itself.)
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To: Just mythoughts

“Personally with or without vaccinations I suspect both your gene pools. “

You wouldn’t be the first one. But at least I’m not blaming the single biggest advance in human health responsible for saving millions of lives. I can at least see the obvious.

Are you stupid because of your childhood vaccinations, or were you born that way?


83 posted on 02/15/2012 3:06:30 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: Secret Agent Man
Doctors have been sued numerous times for vaccinating kids and having severe/fatal reactions to vaccines...

Not anymore. Legislation passed about ten years ago made exempt all medical professionals, providers, and vaccine makers from litigation. Instead, claims go to a special vaccine court, where an appointee decides if someone was injured. Payouts are covered by a per vaccine fee the manufacturers pay into a fund. You can read the case files and see that there are folks harmed by these things.

So, we have exempted from lawsuits by Congress the tobacco industry and vaccine makers. Suspicious at all?

84 posted on 02/15/2012 3:08:46 PM PST by Liberty Tree Surgeon (Mow your own lawn!)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Where did I say that all vaccines are worthless? I didn’t.

Where did I say all vaccines are equally risky? I didn’t.

Polio and smallpox infections were already decreasing steadily before the vaccines, you can check that out in the data. Polio infections went up after the first vaccines because the vaccines themselves gave kids polio. Batches of the polio vaccine gave polio to the kids. In the first couple years polio went UP because of one of the vaccines. Read your history.

As for rabies, it is not given to everyone as part of the standard vaccination schedule. It’s only to people under specific circumstances. Thus a rabies vaccine is not given as part of a “herd immunity” strategy, it’s given because a particular person is exposed to a particular potential virus.

I have no problem with people who decide to take vaccines. I also have no problem if they have determined a vaccine, one or several or all of them, to be too risky for themselves to take. Why do you have a problem with people who don’t decide the way you do? None of the vaccines are without risk? Who are you to say one person’s assessment of risk to themselves has to be yours?

And how happy are you that government gives itself and pharma companies immunity from prosecution if under “emergencies” there are severe injuries or deaths from vaccines whipped up quickly, or for experimental vaccines, forced upon or voluntarily taken by people? You can check the federal emergency plans for biohazard problems and just about every state’s plans and there are no repercussions at all to the governments or the drug companies for such things.


85 posted on 02/15/2012 3:11:15 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Scythian
Funny you call parents stupid for refusing vaccinations. Parents that do end up refusing for a myriad of reasons. Since I ain't so smart I can't speak for others. But our decision to avoid them occurred after my son had a severe reaction to this 6 month shots. After looking at death in the face for no good reason we now avoid them for the entire family as much as humanly possible. Besides I would say vaccine fanatics are a bunch of communists. Have a nice day.
86 posted on 02/15/2012 3:12:04 PM PST by st.eqed
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To: RFEngineer
You wouldn’t be the first one. But at least I’m not blaming the single biggest advance in human health responsible for saving millions of lives. I can at least see the obvious. Are you stupid because of your childhood vaccinations, or were you born that way?

I did NOT blame the so called advancement in human health for anything. You cannot read with comprehension. IF the single biggest advancement in human health is so sacrilegious then why in the .ell are there NO vaccination clinics set up all along our borders.

I am also aware of 'herd' immunity. AND I also know that it is the parents responsibility to NOT expose their gene pool to all the 'social' government programs IF one decides to wait until their gene pool is old enough to physically deal with what vaccine cocktails get injected into their tiny bodies.

IT is NOT stupid to heed the WARNINGS given at the time the required parental consent is signed to have their gene pool injected. But you carry on with your superior self importance.

87 posted on 02/15/2012 3:14:22 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Jewbacca
The anti-vaccine people are a cult, just like global warmist.

Wait, so disbelieving one scientific consensus based on observations is wrong, but blindly agreeing to another is just fine? Really?

Potential money to be made = Global Warming
Huge money already being made = Big Pharma

Who has the most at stake to spread the big lie?

88 posted on 02/15/2012 3:14:54 PM PST by Liberty Tree Surgeon (Mow your own lawn!)
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To: Mase

LOL - that’s really good.


89 posted on 02/15/2012 3:17:45 PM PST by Tax-chick (I saw a werewolf drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's. His hair was perfect!)
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To: Tax-chick

“This sounds like a marketing opportunity for a medical practice that doesn’t support vaccination. Surely there is at least one doctor, osteopathic practitioner, chiropractor, or something that would be interested in picking up these customers.”

I think the “State” in all it’s manifestations would come down on you like a ton of bricks.


90 posted on 02/15/2012 3:18:54 PM PST by dljordan ("Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered.")
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To: longtermmemmory

Owning a small plumbing repair business, I fired customers when I felt that we did not have a good working relationship even though they paid for the work I was doing.

Sometimes after a couple of years of being their plumber you get another call from them and you have to explain that you won’t accept it, that you are letting them go, and that they will have to find another company.


91 posted on 02/15/2012 3:20:10 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: RFEngineer
You wouldn’t be the first one. But at least I’m not blaming the single biggest advance in human health responsible for saving millions of lives. I can at least see the obvious. Are you stupid because of your childhood vaccinations, or were you born that way?

I did NOT blame the so called advancement in human health for anything. You cannot read with comprehension. IF the single biggest advancement in human health is so sacrilegious then why in the .ell are there NO vaccination clinics set up all along our borders.

I am also aware of 'herd' immunity. AND I also know that it is the parents responsibility to NOT expose their gene pool to all the 'social' government programs IF one decides to wait until their gene pool is old enough to physically deal with what vaccine cocktails get injected into their tiny bodies.

IT is NOT stupid to heed the WARNINGS given at the time the required parental consent is signed to have their gene pool injected. But you carry on with your superior self importance.

92 posted on 02/15/2012 3:22:04 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: little jeremiah; metmom

ping


93 posted on 02/15/2012 3:22:14 PM PST by aposiopetic
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To: dljordan
... the “State” in all it’s manifestations would come down on you like a ton of bricks

That's the problem with all sorts of clever business ideas, unfortunately.

I'm not taking a position against vaccines, personally - it was just a thought that a discrete group of customers might generate a service provider to serve them.

94 posted on 02/15/2012 3:23:07 PM PST by Tax-chick (I saw a werewolf drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's. His hair was perfect!)
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To: st.eqed

You are defying the global warming - wait, no - I mean the vaccine experts?

Report to Room 101 for mockery, breakdown, and then after a light lunch, rebuilding.

These people are fanatics. You either haveto believe their way or you’re stupid, evil, can’t figure stuff out for yourself, etc. This is exactly how liberals argue when they have no substance to their position. They just start with the personal attacks. It’s what the global warming alarmists did. They destroyed people’s careers and got them fired for not going along with their viewpoint.

Here we have supposedly conservative people who can’t stand it that some parents have decided that for their family vaccines are more risky than they are beneficial. And for this these “conservative” jackboots cannot stand someone else making a health decision different from what they believes is best for them.

Vaccines are not a one size fits all solution for everyone. You don’t know other people’s medical histories. You don’t know the medical problems of other people’s children. You don’t know the hereditary issues that may exist in their world that you don’t have to deal with. You don’t know they’ve already had kids or themselves that have had really bad reactions to vaccines in the past. What you decide to take a risk on may not be what someone else is willing to take a risk on.

Statistics mean nothing when YOU are the guy permanently damaged or dead, or your kid is damaged or dead.

So suck it up - people can make their own medical decisions. We aren’t the effing Soviet Union or China forcing abortions on people if they try to have a second kid. We don’t demand people take risky medical actions that they can’t sue the government or vaccine makers if it screws them up. If that’s the world you want to live in, I suggest you go find your little communist utopia somewhere where the individual has no rights over their own personal health.


95 posted on 02/15/2012 3:24:06 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: longtermmemmory

” find professionals that have the notion of firing customers/clients/patrons to be quaint. It is as if they have no control in their lives and have to adopt the obamaeque delusion of word twisting.”

I guess. English is not my first language, and that’s what I call refusing to do business with idiots.


96 posted on 02/15/2012 3:25:33 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Tax-chick
"This sounds like a marketing opportunity for a medical practice that doesn’t support vaccination. Surely there is at least one doctor, osteopathic practitioner, chiropractor, or something that would be interested in picking up these customers."


97 posted on 02/15/2012 3:25:44 PM PST by ari-freedom
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To: Secret Agent Man

“Why are you unhappy there are some people who make medical decisions different from what you believe?”

It’s not what “I believe.” It’s what “is true.”

Deluded vaccine luddites like yourself harm not only themselves (which would, I agree, be your problem and none of others’ concerns), but also harm others.

And, yes, because of the duty imposed by G-d on me of “tikkun olam,” the harm to others is my concern.


98 posted on 02/15/2012 3:31:33 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: dljordan

Around here, at least, it’s possible. A local chiropractor operates a “wellness clinic” with muscle therapists, nutritionists, and a whole host of other practitioners from various fields. I hear his ads all the time on my talk radio station.

The man himself isn’t much more pleasant than he claims allopathic (conventional) physicians are, but it’s good that people around here have an alternative.


99 posted on 02/15/2012 3:31:37 PM PST by Cato in PA (1/26/12: Bloody Thursday)
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To: Liberty Tree Surgeon

“Wait, so disbelieving one scientific consensus based on observations is wrong, but blindly agreeing to another is just fine?”

Global warming cultists and the anti-vaccine cultists share the same bad scientific methods.

Remarkably so, in fact.


100 posted on 02/15/2012 3:33:57 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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