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What the Mormons Know About Welfare
Wall St Journal ^ | 2-17-12 | NAOMI SCHAEFER RILEY

Posted on 02/17/2012 5:11:13 PM PST by SJackson

Mitt Romney has raised the issue of the social safety net. Washington could learn from the lesson of his church.

Ever since Mitt Romney said he was "not concerned about the very poor" but would fix America's social safety net "if it needs repair," conservatives and liberals have been frantically making suggestions. Gov. Romney says he would consider options like restructuring Medicaid. But if he wants to see a welfare system that lets almost no one fall through the cracks while at the same time ensuring that its beneficiaries don't become lifelong dependents, he could look to his own church.

As I ride in a golf cart through a new 15-acre warehouse on the outskirts of Utah's capital, I can't help but wonder: How many Wal-Marts would fit in here? How many burgers can you make from 4,400 industrial pallets of frozen meat? And how do they keep this place cleaner than my kitchen floor?

Dedicated last month, the Bishops Central Storehouse contains a two-year supply of food to support the Mormon church's welfare system in the U.S. and Canada (primarily for church members in need) and its humanitarian program, which sends food, medical supplies and other necessities to the needy (of all faiths) world-wide.

In addition to goods from canned peaches to emergency generators, the facility also houses the church's own trucking company, complete with 43 tractors and 98 trailers, as well as a one-year supply of fuel, parts and tires for the vehicles. Just in case.

The storehouse is not only a kind of physical marvel—it has been built to withstand an earthquake with a magnitude as high as 7.5—but also a symbol of strength and self-sufficiency.

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To: bone52

http://www.ldschurchnews.com/articles/24907/Tithing-settlement.html


51 posted on 02/18/2012 2:15:05 PM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: bone52

A++ Good job.
Answering questions that weren’t asked, making statements not relative to the conversation, disregarding what was said.......you have learned your lessons well grasshopper.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zA-rZQB-xQ


52 posted on 02/18/2012 2:20:54 PM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: ansel12

Yep, that is what I am claiming.


53 posted on 02/18/2012 3:16:29 PM PST by bone52
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To: svcw

You seem to have posted a link to an article that has nothing to do with the point of discussion. A person goes to tithing settlement, receives a paper so what they have paid, and is asked, “Is this a full tithe?” The article says no more than this, and certainly nothing about tax returns.


54 posted on 02/18/2012 3:19:18 PM PST by bone52
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To: bone52

Huh? Ok, good job.


55 posted on 02/18/2012 3:27:36 PM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: bone52
A person goes to tithing settlement, receives a paper so what they have paid, and is asked, “Is this a full tithe?”

Any Church Leader of any church has such Biblical authority but few realize it. Can they legally make you do so? No. But any church leader unless church charter says otherwise can ask is this your full tithe. Full Biblical tithe taken traditionally as 10%.

I see the term cult used by many very loosely on these threads. By the definitions some on these threads hold the chosen 12 would have fallen into such definition in the first six or so chapters of The Acts. The believers lived in one community all living on common property and no one it seems owned nothing but it was equally distributed among believers.

Peter questioned Ananias and his wife about property they claimed they were donating or tithing the full amount paid too them from selling it and they both lied. I am not LDS nor Mormon but the Bigotry, Hate, and Ignorance, in some of these threads is astounding.

56 posted on 02/18/2012 3:50:37 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe

The Mormon cult stops you from practicing the full Mormon faith if you don’t pay the fees, you will not become a God, can’t enter the Temples, you can’t participate in religious faith with your paid up betters.


57 posted on 02/18/2012 3:57:31 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: bone52

Are you a Bishop, or merely a Temple Mormon?


58 posted on 02/18/2012 3:59:16 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: cva66snipe

Please source that the early believers were communists and that the church leaders have the authority to ask you to prove your tithe.
I am talking about he New Testament.


59 posted on 02/18/2012 4:01:42 PM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: ansel12

What kind of mormon are you?


60 posted on 02/18/2012 4:09:08 PM PST by bone52
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To: ansel12

When I was an active Mormon and held a temple recommend (many years ago),
in various wards and in various states, all of my bishops took my word about my tithing status.

Any talk about having to produce tax returns or other financial documents is pure horse crap.


61 posted on 02/18/2012 4:09:17 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: cva66snipe
Oh and BTW any church or church leader has the authority to remove one from the church who does not abide in churches stated charters or agree too by membership practices. This is true with most Christian churches and again there is Biblical allowances for this action.

Actually the church leaders can even address ones personal conduct even of that outside the church in the community and if it is not up too church and Biblical standards can say repent or leave. Again some do not realize it. But is is a strong weapon the church could use too turn this nation around. :>}

62 posted on 02/18/2012 4:11:47 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Repeal The 17th

The problem is that you and I just aren’t part of the ueber-elite, super-duper, secret ring of mormons and so we don’t know anything.


63 posted on 02/18/2012 4:14:04 PM PST by bone52
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To: Repeal The 17th

So the people who have said it happened to them or have family members or friends who it has happened to or the bishops we know personally who say they do this are liars?
ok?


64 posted on 02/18/2012 4:15:46 PM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: cva66snipe

The thing that amazes me most is that I can point out parts of comments that are incorrect, but I am instantly labelled either ignorant of my own religion or a liar. I realize that there are doctrinal differences between the LDS church and other churches, but at the end of the day, we are in a death match with people who are trying to destroy our nation and our freedom, and I cannot comprehend why people aren’t willing to embrace others who have so much in common.


65 posted on 02/18/2012 4:20:42 PM PST by bone52
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To: svcw
Please source that the early believers were communists and that the church leaders have the authority to ask you to prove your tithe. I am talking about he New Testament.

Did I say they were Communist? No I did not so don't even try those Troll ganes with me. I said they all lived in one common owned community and shared what they all had. The chosen 12 and ones appointed distributed among them equally. If you do not know that much then you have not read The Acts.

ACTS CH 2 43A deep sense of awe came over them all, and the apostles performed many miraculous signs and wonders. 44And all the believers met together constantly and shared everything they had. 45They sold their possessions and shared the proceeds with those in need. 46They worshiped together at the Temple each day, met in homes for the Lord’s Supper, and shared their meals with great joy and generosity—47all the while praising God and enjoying the goodwill of all the people. And each day the Lord added to their group those who were being saved.

Now too address the other part.

Acts ch 5 1There was also a man named Ananias who, with his wife, Sapphira, sold some property. 2He brought part of the money to the apostles, but he claimed it was the full amount. His wife had agreed to this deception. 3Then Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart? You lied to the Holy Spirit, and you kept some of the money for yourself. 4The property was yours to sell or not sell, as you wished. And after selling it, the money was yours to give away. How could you do a thing like this? You weren’t lying to us but to God.” 5As soon as Ananias heard these words, he fell to the floor and died. Everyone who heard about it was terrified. 6Then some young men wrapped him in a sheet and took him out and buried him. 7About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8Peter asked her, “Was this the price you and your husband received for your land?” “Yes,” she replied, “that was the price.” 9And Peter said, “How could the two of you even think of doing a thing like this—conspiring together to test the Spirit of the Lord? Just outside that door are the young men who buried your husband, and they will carry you out, too.” 10Instantly, she fell to the floor and died. When the young men came in and saw that she was dead, they carried her out and buried her beside her husband. 11Great fear gripped the entire church and all others who heard what had happened.

66 posted on 02/18/2012 4:22:28 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: svcw

“...it happened to them or have family members or friends...”
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I can only relate my personal experience over a period of 15 years or more.

If anyone says that finacial documents and/or tax records are required to somehow proove one’s tithing status,
they may be lying,
they may be confused,
they may be reporting hearsay,
or they may have encountered a bishop who was out of line.

I have no way of knowing what is in their heart.


67 posted on 02/18/2012 4:22:28 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: bone52
The thing that amazes me most is that I can point out parts of comments that are incorrect, but I am instantly labelled either ignorant of my own religion or a liar. I realize that there are doctrinal differences between the LDS church and other churches, but at the end of the day, we are in a death match with people who are trying to destroy our nation and our freedom, and I cannot comprehend why people aren’t willing to embrace others who have so much in common.

There are differences in all denominations. There were some big differences in the opinions of the Apostiles as well. Peter whom some consider their fisrt leader was corrected by Paul on issues concerning his behavior and accepttence of Gentiles. Paul as well on some issues could be petty. Like the John Mark arguement with Barnabas.

Most of the Mormon bashing in most threads is copy and paste from web sites which promote hate thereof. It is popular now though due too the dislike of Romney. BTW the LDS I know won't vote for him. LOL.

There are also a few in FR I simply don't waste my time repling too them anymore. They like too twist posting and are in general Trolls.

If things keep heading the way they are heading in this nation a LDS member as a next door neighbor may save their lives.

68 posted on 02/18/2012 4:34:25 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Repeal The 17th

The question is ,are they required to only accept your word, other Mormons and Bishops tell us that if they have suspicions, then they can demand the proof.


69 posted on 02/18/2012 5:01:02 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: cva66snipe

Most who speak out about Mormons here, are Christians, showing resistance and shining light on an anti-Christian cult that invests millions in tricking Christians away from Christianity.


70 posted on 02/18/2012 5:05:22 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: bone52

Seriously, you won’t even answer that simple inquiry of, are you a Temple Mormon, or a Bishop?


71 posted on 02/18/2012 5:16:35 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: ansel12
"...other Mormons and Bishops tell us..."
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72 posted on 02/18/2012 6:10:11 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Repeal The 17th

So you are claiming that a Bishop cannot, is forbidden to, require proof from a Temple candidate, or a Temple member during re qualification, if the Bishop has doubts?


73 posted on 02/18/2012 6:22:23 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: Repeal The 17th
But, But, I read it on the Internet so it has to be true LOL. I will say this for LDS. They are in most ways far more closer to fulfilling what Christ instructed than many other churches. It comes down to why are some so jealous? It's as old as this.

Mark ch 9 38John said to Jesus, “Teacher, we saw a man using your name to cast out demons, but we told him to stop because he isn’t one of our group.” 39“Don’t stop him!” Jesus said. “No one who performs miracles in my name will soon be able to speak evil of me. 40Anyone who is not against us is for us. 41If anyone gives you even a cup of water because you belong to the Messiah, I assure you, that person will be rewarded.

This was a jealousy even the chosen 12 seemed too have. They often debated who was the greatest and Christ addressed that issue as well with them. The same jealousy still exist today among the churches as well. One wants the other too stop doing this or that because they believe they are the true authority church and all churches must do as they say or else.

What does Christ say to do?

Matt ch 25 31“But when the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit upon his glorious throne. 32All the nations will be gathered in his presence, and he will separate them as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will place the sheep at his right hand and the goats at his left. 34Then the King will say to those on the right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

35For I was hungry, and you fed me. I was thirsty, and you gave me a drink. I was a stranger, and you invited me into your home. 36I was naked, and you gave me clothing. I was sick, and you cared for me. I was in prison, and you visited me.’ 37“Then these righteous ones will reply, ‘Lord, when did we ever see you hungry and feed you? Or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38Or a stranger and show you hospitality? Or naked and give you clothing? 39When did we ever see you sick or in prison, and visit you?’ 40And the King will tell them, ‘I assure you, when you did it to one of the least of these my brothers and sisters,£ you were doing it to me!’

41“Then the King will turn to those on the left and say, ‘Away with you, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the Devil and his demons! 42For I was hungry, and you didn’t feed me. I was thirsty, and you didn’t give me anything to drink. 43I was a stranger, and you didn’t invite me into your home. I was naked, and you gave me no clothing. I was sick and in prison, and you didn’t visit me.’

44“Then they will reply, ‘Lord, when did we ever see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and not help you?’ 45And he will answer, ‘I assure you, when you refused to help the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were refusing to help me.

I kid you not I knew a Baptist Deacon who actually refused a poor family water from his well. They did not have running water. But yet he invited them too church every Sunday. Perhaps some need to stop looking at the gnat in LDS eye and check on the plank in their own church eye and address it's short comings.

74 posted on 02/18/2012 6:34:22 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: ansel12

“...So you are claiming...(yada, yada, yada)...”
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Are you drunk?
Where have I made any such claim?

You seem to be obsessed about this.
Wards and branches are very close knit groups where everyone “knows” everyone.
They work together, they socialize together, they visit one another.
The bishop is no exception.
If a member had issues with honesty, the bishop would know already.

Tithing is the easy part of living a worthy life.

I have better things to do than to conversate with you about this.
Leave me alone and go play with yourself.
Oh, and by the way, I am the King of Siam.


75 posted on 02/18/2012 6:37:26 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Repeal The 17th

BTW just read your tagline and remember as a kid where I first read it. Pogo was a great cartoon.


76 posted on 02/18/2012 6:43:53 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Repeal The 17th

“So you are claiming that a Bishop cannot, is forbidden to, require proof from a Temple candidate, or a Temple member during re qualification, if the Bishop has doubts?

You have tried to claim repeatedly just that, if you aren’t, then quit posting to us that we are wrong when we say that a Bishop can require proof that you are coughing up the required 10%.


77 posted on 02/18/2012 7:12:27 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: cva66snipe

I have noticed also that the bashing has grown much more aggressive in light of Romney. It is unfortunate.

I think it is also interesting to watch different LDS people deal with Romney as a candidate. While I know some who support him, the vast majority I talk with had hoped for Bachmann to pan out. As I live in Kalifornia, I likely will not get to meaningfully vote for a candidate, but at the moment, I would go Santorum.


78 posted on 02/18/2012 7:16:17 PM PST by bone52
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To: ansel12

“...You have tried to claim repeatedly just that...”
I have done no such thing
and I am calling you a damn liar
right here in public in front of everybody.
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“...then quit posting to us ...”
Who’s “us”? Have you got a mouse in your pocket?
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Shut up and leave me alone.


79 posted on 02/18/2012 7:35:21 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: bone52
I'm leaning toward Santorum also at this point. Newt has re-invented hmself so many times in the past 20 years I have too ask which Newt is Newt? Romney's LDS membership is not an issue with me but his politics and record as governor is. This has too be the worse GOP primary in my lifetime as far as choice goes and I was born while Ike was POTUS.

If being in the senate doesn't corrupt him I hope too see Rand Paul run at some point for POTUS.

80 posted on 02/18/2012 8:06:08 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Repeal The 17th

You have been lying to two of “us”, read your posts 61 and 67, to two different people, and try to get yourself under control.


81 posted on 02/18/2012 8:14:45 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: cva66snipe

LOL, Simply amazing.


82 posted on 02/18/2012 8:19:16 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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Troll, Troll, Troll, your boat gently down the stream.....


83 posted on 02/18/2012 8:37:53 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: svcw
http://tech.lds.org/wiki/Tithing_settlement

Wow, tithing is a business with the Mormons. Reminds me of Scientology in a way.
84 posted on 02/18/2012 8:44:55 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: Repeal The 17th

They could be telling the truth
They probably are not confused
They are not committing heresy
You are meeting bishops out of the norm
My experience with lds goes back to 1962


85 posted on 02/18/2012 10:12:16 PM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: cva66snipe

Closer?
You don’t know anything about mormonism, do you?


86 posted on 02/18/2012 10:16:25 PM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: Jonty30
I don't know how much they actually do for non Mormons, but even if they just take care of their own, its better than nothing...

the Catholic church has put so much energy into hospitals,grade schools thru to many universities, social agencies, etc...

I wish they would get into the "preparation" type mode.....for all the projects they get into...all the collections every Sunday for the Missions, they could benefit to have a store of food and supplies at all times, ready to use....

87 posted on 02/18/2012 10:19:15 PM PST by cherry
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To: svcw
Closer? You don’t know anything about mormonism, do you?

Look you want to go legalistic and we could tear apart piece by piece every church existing today by some one or some preachers standards.

When doctrines are out of sorts there is a correction. It comes not from man many times but The Holy Spirit who leads into all truth. GOD's time is not like our sense of time. A lot of churches base their handed down for centuries dogma or doctrines based on The Bible followed by church leader writs. I'm not going into names on this thread.

Now personally for myself I rely on The Bible for accuracy and The Holy Spirit for guidance into truth and discernment. I do read other text that go into theories etc as well as have two Bible Dictionaries Revell Bible Dictionary and The Holman.

Believe it or not there are Christian churches out there with vast differences as too the meaning of certain scripture. Many have added man written laws, doctrine, dogma, that that church goes by. If you wish too attack Romney based on his beliefs not found in scripture there are two more running for POTUS who also go by rules not actually in The Bible but church leaders have added usually to completely misunderstanding scripture. As well one can not question that leaders authority.

Christ went after legalisms and the hypocrisy of the leaders it produces more than he went after anything. It's man burdening man with mans rules not even they can keep. Again you can find this in about any church today.

Even the early churches underwent correction. Earlier I posted the early church living in a community together selling what they owned and sharing it among themselves. What happened soon after and why? The church came under extreme persecution starting with Stephen being murdered. It scattered the flock to far places.

ACTS Ch 8 A great wave of persecution began that day, sweeping over the church in Jerusalem, and all the believers except the apostles fled into Judea and Samaria. 2(Some godly men came and buried Stephen with loud weeping.) 3Saul was going everywhere to devastate the church. He went from house to house, dragging out both men and women to throw them into jail. 4But the believers who had fled Jerusalem went everywhere preaching the Good News about Jesus. 5Philip, for example, went to the city of Samaria and told the people there about the Messiah. 6Crowds listened intently to what he had to say because of the miracles he did. 7Many evil spirits were cast out, screaming as they left their victims. And many who had been paralyzed or lame were healed. 8So there was great joy in that city.

Now why do you suppose this was allowed too happen? It was a correction of sorts. The Disciples were given the Great Commission as it is commonly called. The believers were instead staying in Jerusalem. The Holy Spirit works in all who in earnest seek Christ. The Mormons or rather the LDS sect of Mormon has under gone in a historical short time radical changes from it's beginnings.

You judge them harshly yet you fail too look at the chosen twelves and some of the Apostles own struggles and the many time that correction came too them. Shall we bash the Amish and Mennonite as well while were at it? You haven't seen strict church and family control till you've learned about some sects Amish.

Then there is another sect of Christians amongst us who's members though they work in the public and live in typical neighborhoods, kids go to public schools etc, can not eat meals or socalize with non members of their church. The name escapes me right now but it is not LDS.

If a person wants too look they can find a plenty too keep them busy church bashing every church known today. There's thousands if not millions of websites devoted too the sport. Pick your hate then copy and paste. I have a family member a cousin who was brought up Southern Baptist for reason of marriage and family harmony for his wife joined LDS years ago. I see him, his wife, and his kids, at reunions even at Catholic and Baptist funeral services of family members. I'm not buying the smear. I don't buy it anymore than I do anti-Catholic, anti-Pentocostals, anti- whatever. I don't even care if people on the other end of my county handle snakes as they have done for over 100 years. That is their belief.

Any person today is free to join or leave a church. If a person joins a church they will be likely expected to uphold the church dogma. Don't agree? Don't join. That right and freedom was one of the main reasons of our Revolutionary War and many of the ones who form the nation were not Christians as we know it. Several were Deist including Thomas Jefferson who edited a Bible still used today in Unitarian Churches gutted of any reference too The Trinity or the Divinity of Christ.

Mormons {LDS I'm talking about} are not my enemy. Yes there are some very fringe and wrong Mormons just as there are split offs in about any denomination. Mormons {LDS} are not Warren Jeffs types nor does churches like Westboro represent the beliefs of most Baptist churches.

88 posted on 02/19/2012 1:08:11 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe

Everything is be judged against the Word of God, we are to call out false prophets.
mormonis is not Christianity
Joseph Smith was a false prophet
Romney is who is he because of mormonism not in spite of it
It’s that simple.


89 posted on 02/19/2012 7:29:38 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: svcw

To anyone who says that Romney would not be influenced by his Mormon beliefs (even the off-the-wall ones) in governing this country, I would just say, “I’ve got a bridge in Coyote, Wyoming I want to sell you.”


90 posted on 02/19/2012 7:44:51 AM PST by Twinkie (John 3:16)
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To: Twinkie
To anyone who says that Romney would not be influenced by his Mormon beliefs (even the off-the-wall ones) in governing this country, I would just say, “I’ve got a bridge in Coyote, Wyoming I want to sell you.”

Exactly. Romney believes that the head of the Mormon church is a prophet of God.

If the false, so-called prophet of God that heads up the Mormon church calls Romney up and tells him that he needs to do something that we don't support or approve of, is Romney going to listen to somebody he thinks is a prophet of God, or is he going to listen to the American people?

My money is Romney will bow down to the false prophet.
91 posted on 02/19/2012 9:15:33 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: svcw
Everything is be judged against the Word of God, we are to call out false prophets. mormonis is not Christianity Joseph Smith was a false prophet Romney is who is he because of mormonism not in spite of it It’s that simple.

And again many churches have had their false prophets and went through correction. Yes even one that calls itself The Church. There are as many variants of Mormon as Baptist. Pentecostals for example have had false prophets. One claimed too heal people and made outrageous statements. Deism was certainly false prophets yet some of the key men who founded the nation believed it.

So tell me then if oh lets say Ben Franklin or Thomas Jefferson were running would you be on FR posting about their religious beliefs? Or would you vote for them? Be honest. Romney's church is not a factor too me in his running for office but his political record is the reason. BTW I know Mormons {LDS} who are in fact Christian. What determines Christian? The belief that Jesus Christ is the Son Of GOD who died on the cross as The Lamb of GOD for our sins that through that we are saved. The Fruits or Traits of it are ones who follow the Commandments and Teachings of GOD and of Christ. You can have a misconception of GOD's origin and still be Christian. No one truly understands as the human mind can not comprehend GOD's actual being. All of us understand but a small portion.

But there are many churches who do not follow it too the letter. For example when we pray we are told to pray too GOD asking in Jesus name and no others should we pray too or through. See what I'm saying? Yet none dare call the ones who pray through saints as they call it for intercession a cult. I don't confess my sins to someone asking them for GOD;s forgiveness either. I ask The Lord and confess directly too The Lord. Do I call them a cult who use their clergy for this? No I call them Scripture misguided. I don't call them non Christians either.

92 posted on 02/19/2012 9:50:41 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: svcw

BTW how many centuries passed before the correction called The Protestant Reformation occured? 1600 plus years if I read right. Not too say there were not churches that were already practicing the beliefs it produced existing since the days of Christ though. But those that existed those 1600 years often had to do so in secrecy. What about the ones who began The Reformation? Some paid with their very lives. What about the church who fought it?


93 posted on 02/19/2012 10:18:14 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe

You apparently know nothing about mormonism.
lds do not worship the God of the Bible.
You use many words to explain yourself.
You are answering questions or remarking on statements not made.
mormonism is not Christianity
Romney is who he is because of his mormonism not in spite of it it is that simple.


94 posted on 02/19/2012 10:30:44 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: cva66snipe

And a hearty AMEN to that Brother.

Wake up America.


95 posted on 02/19/2012 10:42:35 AM PST by LastDayz (Why do they put Braille dots on the keypad of the drive-up ATM's?)
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To: svcw
You apparently know nothing about mormonism. lds do not worship the God of the Bible.

Well I have known {one all my life} LDS whom I have talked with and they say worship GOD the one and the same as in The Bible. The ones I know BTW WERE NOT brought up in LDS but joined as adults. They were Baptist actually. So does my Roman Catholic kin as well as other kin such as Baptist, Methodist, etc worship the same LORD and Savior Jesus Christ. The difference is we take time too talk and listen.

Of course we will always have amongst the churches Preacher Soandso of the First Self Righteous church that says different though. Next weeks sermon or blog from Preacher Soandso will be on those evil churches who use unauthorized translations of The Bible he doesn't approve of either as in any Bible but KJV.

I've seen these same arguments over and over again only it's Protestant vs Catholic. One church just can not believe the other is Christian as well because they are not in the same Church they are.

Some food for thought. You should know though that by the standards of scriptural purity you place upon and demand of LDS and judge them {who confess Christ as Lord and Savior} the same rigidity shall be judged of you.

96 posted on 02/19/2012 3:02:25 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe

Again you know nothing of mormonism.
mormonism teaches a god who was once a man, that is NOT the Biblical God.
mormonism teaches a created christ, not an eternal Christ.


97 posted on 02/19/2012 3:09:41 PM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: LastDayz
And a hearty AMEN to that Brother. Wake up America.

LDS practices just about every moral value any other Christian Church does. On the other hand there is a very liberal church out there actually several denominations that harbors those of whom their OPEN AGENDA it is too destroy our nation as we know it and exclude GOD's name from all public venues. None dare call their hand on it as a church though. I doubt anyone on this thread knows the name of that denomination. Those churches are ones I worry about. It is the fruits you judge them by.

We as well have churches today being acknowledged as Christian who openly encourage and even marry people into a destructive lifestyle for which GOD called an abomination and destroyed two cities for the very practice of it. Yet people sit and attack LDS as being evil? Yea America needs to wake up indeed.

98 posted on 02/19/2012 3:23:52 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: svcw
Again you know nothing of mormonism. mormonism teaches a god who was once a man, that is NOT the Biblical God. mormonism teaches a created christ, not an eternal Christ.

That is not doctrine that sends one too hell nor determines salvation. That is simply a human mind trying to comprehend who GOD is and in what actual form. GOD created man in His Image. So before the creation was GOD man or Spirt or both? No one knows for certain. We are given some Biblical insight like GOD walked through the Garden of Eden with Adam.

Genisis ch 1 26Then God said, “Let us make people£ in our image, to be like ourselves. They will be masters over all life—the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, and all the livestock, wild animals,£ and small animals.” 27So God created people in his own image; God patterned them after himself; male and female he created them.

Actually GOD was man on earth in an earthly body. We call Him Jesus Christ. Here is the thing. I don't have to understand it as my mind can't. Nor could His Disciples grasp it till they were allowed to understand. I only need too believe it.

There are many things in history pre-flood we are given hints too but know little about including some who roamed the earth besides the descendants of Adam and Eve and became with their decedents. Genesis 6 sheds a little light on that matter. That is where Nephilim comes in. Possibly what we are calling pre-historic man? Who knows? We don't know for certain. I'm a creationist believing GOD Created all things in heavens and earth. Do I believe the earth is 10,000 years old? Based on evidence I don't. But time is mans measurement not GOD's.

We read Christ existed with GOD before the creation that much we were told by Christ in His prayer too GOD. These kind of differences are splitting hairs is more to do with theological understanding and has nothing to do with ones faith in Jesus Christ atonement for our sins.

We come to GOD through Christ as Children. Children do not have full knowledge that their parents do nor are they expected too. Children's concepts and understanding of this universe are not that of GOD's level of understanding. Nor is mans level of understanding for that matter.

99 posted on 02/19/2012 4:02:19 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe

I get it. You are lds, that explains everything.


100 posted on 02/19/2012 4:07:46 PM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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