Skip to comments.What the Mormons Know About Welfare
Posted on 02/17/2012 5:11:13 PM PST by SJackson
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Cults can do many things within their cult that don’t work among the rest of humanity.
A good tight cult can even have everyone in it commit suicide, as a team effort.
Hare Krishnas get along pretty well also.
They also have a monetary welfare system. But it is workfare. They ask you help clean a church for a couple of weekends and the like in return with help paying your rent or other bills.
The Mormon method of welfare is actually the one good thing about the Mormon church.
You work for it, whether it be in one of their bookstores to gain job skills or something.
They don’t just give you money.
The funds raised in these FReepathons go to pay our current quarter expenses. But we're also going to try to replace some of our older servers and failing equipment this year so we're going to add a little extra to our FReepathon goals. John is estimating ten to fifteen thousand to do this and I'd like to get it all in place and working before the election cycle is fully heated up, so we'll try to bring in a little extra now, if we can, and the rest next quarter.
We could go back to the Bible to see how the ancient Israelites took care of their own. Most of America has been swept up in the big government/Roosevelt view of what helping thy neighbor means. We have all been hypnotized by the socialist/big government way of looking at life, American culture and community has been weakened.
The Mormon cult also taxes it’s members.
Mormons are required to give 10% of their income to the group, Bishop Mitt Romney has transferred tens of millions to them.
As Bishop, Mitt Romney had the authority to request a Mormons federal tax returns, if he was suspicious that they were holding out on the organization.
Where’s the “Like” button?
The Mormons are bleeding the beast, don’t be fooled
Parroting that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is a cult, doesn’t make it so -
other than in the broadest sense of the word - which also covers the other churches.
Buy a clue.
a particular system of religious worship, especially with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, especially as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
the object of such devotion.
a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
Sociology . a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
they have ranches, warehouses, canneries, etc., all over the country.
As the late Paul Harvey once said: “If the other churches followed the welfare program that the Mormons do, there would be no need for public welfare.”
And they give to any in need - regardless of their beliefs, without question. In natural catastrophes, they are about the first on the scene with planes, trucks, boats full of supplies and people to help...and they do not advertise this.
One example of their humanitarian aid:
They follow Jesus’s admonition to feed and cloth the needy...how terrible. They follow the Jesus’s teachings in the parable of the wise and foolish virgins - to be prepared against future need. They take Jesus’s teachings literally. How ‘cultish’
After the initial rush to Indonesia with food, water, personnel, etc - following the devastating tsunami that killed over 200,000 - the church stayed on for THREE YEARS to help them get back on their feet. Here’s a list of some of the things they accomplished. (Some ‘cult.’ Jesus says ‘By their fruits ye shall know them.”
Major Church projects included:
The construction of 15 schools, including the training of new teachers.
The building of 902 homes. The homes were furnished with a starter kit which included one mattress, six plates, six glasses, 12 spoons, one wok, and one stove.
The construction of three community centers.
The construction of three health clinics and a wing of an existing hospital. Each was fully equipped, and doctors and medical staff were trained.
The completion of 24 village water projects, reaching 20,000 people.
The restoration of shrimp and rice farms.
The building of large and small fishing boats.
The purchase of sewing machines, looms and other self-employment equipment.
The longer-term aid and development in Indonesia followed numerous emergency response efforts including:
50 pallets/medical modules.
20 pallets/first aid supplies.
4 pallets of shoes.
345 bales of clothing.
Food, water, hand-held communications equipment and a wide range of other supplies and aid.
by their fruits, indeed.
And you too. Ignorance smells.
It would be nice if just ONE TIME on FR, there could be a thread touching on the Mormons that didn’t bring out the frothing, un-Christian haters.
That said, Romney is a sleaze ball. I know a lot of Mormons but I don’t know any that will vote for him. Neither are they admonished too. That’s another Biblical tenet they espouse: Free Will. (It’s odd how if a member of the Mormon church is less than 100% - the whole church is judged.)
They have a saying: - let me see if I can find it:
Okay - found it. It’s from one of their hymns:
“Heavenly Father will call, persuade, direct aright, And bless with wisdom, love, and light, In nameless ways be good and kind, But never force the human mind (Know This, That Every Soul Is Free, Hymns, no. 240).”
Gee, Watch out for these evil cultists.
I have my strong disagreements with the Mormons, but this is one thing that they have done right, and continue to do in spite of the nearly monolithic government welfare industry. FDR’s New Deal, and its continuation, has just about killed off private charity in this country. Before the New Deal, and the Depression which it prolonged, there were local charitable organizations that were privately and voluntarily funded and operated. The government had pushed them aside. Even the black neighborhoods had “mutual assistance societies” that were getting the job done, until the liberals in the name of “helping” them destroyed neighborhoods and families and herded them into Soviet style apartment projects. Even some of my liberal friends have been waking up to this, seeing the government welfare bureaucrat as only interested in keeping more people dependant on the dole in order to justify their jobs rather than really helping people, and thus seeing more merit with the private, local, and voluntary model.
I never said that the cult that spends a small fortune on public relations and fake imagery was stupid.
I just pointed out that they are a cult, an anti-Christian cult
It is hard to think of anything more evil than pretending to be a Christian religion, to trick Christians away from Christ.
“Milk before meat”, means that they try to draw you in and only feed you enough information to lead you to the next step, only a small number of Mormons qualify for the full truth, Bishop, and Temple Mormon, Mitt Romney, knows about that.
"Once abolish the God, and the government becomes the God." - G.K. Chesterton
BTW, this is only ONE store/warehouse they have - across the country - they have a vast black Angus ranch in Florida -
They have distribution centers across the country - How many churches do this?
And, their bishops give their time to the church - they make their own living.
One of my sons is a long hauler - he has delivered to some of these warehouse - says they’re incredible.
There are many worthwhile things about the Mormons. I don’t hold with their theology, but on this side of the great veil, they are an unalloyed blessing wherever they live and work. Proud to call them friends and neighbors.
ignorance is pathetic
When the Mormon bashing get to much to bear, I rely on this reply:
I'd rather walk with one million Mormons at my back than one muslim at my side!
you are SO disingenuous, it's sad. It isn't a TAX. Ever heard of tithing? Read the Bible - tithe = one tenth
The hare Krishna used to feed none Krishna people for free.
You could walk into their halls and join them in gourmet meals, in Pacific Beach (San Diego), huge crowds would show up, they were incredible meals, since then they have had to make an attempt to charge, to try and defray some of the cost.
I don’t think they become Gods themselves, like Mormons do.
I agree, and no one should try to assist the destruction of Christian souls and the growth and positive image of a horrible cult.
It is a mandatory tithing, more of a tax.
When the cult leaders can demand your tax returns to verify that you are coughing up a verified amount, and when you cannot get past the Temple door unless you comply with the mandatory 10% fee, then calling it a tax is not a stretch.
You know there is vastly more to religion and dark cults and satanism and perverted theologies, and humanity traps, than merely, ‘Muslim/not Muslim’.
Pillars of Mormonism, pillars of Islam...all vain attempts by man to reach up to God.
The Good News of Jesus Christ is that God reached down to us.
“As Bishop, Mitt Romney had the authority to request a Mormons federal tax returns, if he was suspicious that they were holding out on the organization.”
I am 71. I was raised a Mormon although I am not now a practicing one. Based on what I was taught, this is a total fabrication. Tithe paying in the Mormon Church is on the honor system. You don’t know what you are talking about!
Not if you are a muslim!
And NO, I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you!
Were you a Temple Mormon, a Bishop? We have those here at freerepublic.
They have stated that the Bishop does indeed have the authority to require tax returns, to grant you a Temple recommend.
To do that, then you would have to continue to defend Mormonism, I don’t want to see that either.
Lots could be said but I will just say this - barf!
No I would say tax. When you have to “tithe” so that can be saved, it’s an anti-hell tax.
You can get one person to say almost anything you want, that doesn’t make it true. But, we’ve had this conversation before ...
Not one person, a mass of them here at freerepublic, Temple Mormons, at least one Bishop, expert Ex-Mormons, people who have a command of the teachings of their sometimes many generations old membership in their past religion.
You LIED, I went through your entire posting history, which predates mine, which only started in 2005.
This is the first time that you have ever posted to me.
Are you Mormon? Meat before Milk, Taqiyya, and all that?
Jesus died for all of our sins his death on the cross paid the price you don’t have to pay your way to heaven. His grace alone saves everyone who comes to him sinful and sorrowful.
mormonism teaches that the lds jesus did not pay the price on the Cross but in the garden.
mormonism also teaches that part of their working for salvation is paying tithes.
My uncle a former bishop, still practicing mormon, other mormon family and friends have all said that yes they do have the authority.
I have one friend in particular where the bishop bills them monthly for the “tithe”.
Tax is a good name for it.
If you are required to pay “tithe” for salvation and required to show proof of income, using the word tax doesn’t seem such a big deal.
In fact it could be classified as an anti-hell tax.
Hold your horses. I didn’t lie as much as I made a mistake. If you look at my post, it was at 1:00 in the morning. Although I briefly thought I should search your posting history to make sure that you were the right person, I decided to go to bed instead.
Having said that, this topic has been discussed at length, and when you went through my posting history you surely saw posts in a thread entitled something like “Tithing settlement ...- Mormon (Open)”. An early poster asserted that Bishops ask for tax returns to which I replied saying that the only question I am asked is whether I am a full tithe payer.
Seeing that you are so familiar with the LDS church, I image that you know that the LDS Handbook of Church Instructions doesn’t say anything about asking for tax returns.
As for your comment that lots of people have said that bishops can ask for a tax return, if you take a church of 14 million people you can find a group of people who will say almost anything. Further, when you have a lay priesthood that is also very large and very minimally trained, you will have some members of the group that will do almost anything. Just because some people say some things, and some people do some things does not mean that that is standard practice for the church.
And this is the point with which I take issue with your comments and the comments of others. Regardless what I say, it is assumed that I am either lying, or am not familiar with my own doctrine.
To the first, why would I lie to someone who I have never met? There is no upside for me or for the LDS church if I were to lie. Its not like I would confuse a lot of people. Honestly, if there isany written reference in any LDS scripture or manual to any issue that I comment on, you and others try to beat me over the head with it. So, even if I were to lie, I wouldn’t make any headway and my lie would be apparent. (I should note that in many instances people attacking the LDS church do not understand the doctrine and therefore improperly apply the scriptures).
As for not knowing my own doctrine. If the LDS church really has layers of secret doctrine, why do you think that you or other non-LDS members would be in a better position to know that information than me?
See post 39.
Telling people that you and I have discussed a topic when you have never posted to me was untrue.
A Bishop can require tax returns before giving a Temple Recommend, they are not forced to merely take your word that you are giving the mandatory 10%.
If you are already a temple Mormon, then you lose that recommend by failing to comply with the mandatory financial requirements, again, the Bishop is not required to solely take your word for it.
Did you have the interview with your bishop for the temple recommend, did he verify that you comply with the financial requirements? Has your Bishop followed up with regular interviews to continue verifying your financial compliance?
I can tell you how I know, I read, I have lds family who consider me “primitive” and tell me everything (they are all high mucky mucks), I have friends that tell me.
One of my lds uncles (a former bishop) did ask for proof of income, otherwise how would they know if the people were telling the truth.
An lds friend tells me she is billed by their bishop.
My lds cousin who left years ago, still has some lds person come to his door every year demanding his tithe.
Most lds people I know, actually do not know what the inner workings of mormonism.
Follow along there are many former lds on FR who can trace their roots to the beginning, they know what they are talking about.
Follow along there may be a million pages of information on mormonsim on the internet, with 90% coming straight from lds sources.......try and keep up.
My statement was inaccurate but I didn’t lie.
Show me where the church trains bishops to ask for this, or where there is any instruction relating to asking for tax returns. If you can’t show that, then you are operating on hearsay.
My bishop has never followed-up on anything that I have said to him, and has no way of doing so.
You are assuming that your connections to the LDS church are better than mine and that you know our doctrine and workings better than I do.
As for your uncle, like I said, with a large enough group, you are bound to have somebody who does almost anything. Does the fact that some Evangelical minister molests boys prove that that is doctrine of the church? Of course it doesn’t. What about the speaker on a Christian radio station? Again, it doesn’t prove the doctrine or what he should be doing.
If there were any reference in the instruction manual to asking for tax returns, it would have been used against me.
You keep slipping around the issue, are you claiming that Bishops, and the religion are forced to merely accept any applicants word for compliance?
Oh, yea, an lds uncle and aunt of mine have little money so they work for free in some lds facility to pay their tithes and how does the bishop determine what is owed, they show proof of income and that’s how the hours of free work were determined.
So how do you prove your tithe is correct with the bishop unless you prove your income?