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Turkey will not allow NATO to share intelligence with Israel
Breitbart ^ | 2/17/2012 | Breitbart

Posted on 02/17/2012 10:28:20 PM PST by U-238

Turkey will never allow any third country, particularly Israel, to use intelligence obtained by a NATO radar system, its foreign minister said on Friday. "We will never allow any third country to use any NATO facility. Our position will be even more clear if it is particularly Israel," Davutoglu told a joint news conference with visiting NATO chief Anders Fogh Rasmussen in Ankara.

His remarks came after some media outlets reported that the United States and Israel have carried out a joint missile test by using intelligence gathered by a NATO radar system based in eastern Turkey.

Last year Ankara decided to host in a military facility base near Malatya in the southeast an early warning radar as part of NATO's defense architecture.

"It is a NATO system and we appreciate that Turkey has agreed to host one of the facilities," said Rasmussen.

"Data are shared within our alliance among the allies. It is a defence system to protect the populations of NATO allies," he added without mentioning Israel, which is not a NATO member.

Turkey's relations with one-time regional ally Israel plunged into deep crisis in 2010 when Israeli forces killed nine Turks in a raid on a Turkish ferry, part of an activist flotilla seeking to breach Israel's naval blockade of Gaza.

In 2011, Turkey expelled the Israeli ambassador and axed military ties and defence trade after Israel's refusal to apologise and compensate the flotilla victims.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: israel; missiledefense; nato; sigint; turkey

1 posted on 02/17/2012 10:28:26 PM PST by U-238
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2 posted on 02/17/2012 10:31:12 PM PST by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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To: U-238

Bless their hearts. /s


3 posted on 02/17/2012 10:31:51 PM PST by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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To: U-238

Its time to disband NATO. Its mission ended 20 years ago, and it has become a bureaucratic monster. Now they run around installing islamists in Mid-East countries.


4 posted on 02/17/2012 10:32:29 PM PST by PGR88
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To: U-238

Turkey with its Islamist bigotry is turning out to be a real stinker in the NATO punchbowl.


5 posted on 02/17/2012 10:32:35 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The make matters worse, there is a NATO base with nuclear weapons in Turkey


6 posted on 02/17/2012 10:33:50 PM PST by U-238
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To: U-238

Who had the bright idea of letting Turkey into NATO in the first place?


7 posted on 02/17/2012 10:34:15 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Turkey was allowed to join in 1952 because NATO needed to reinforce its “southern flank”. It did stop the Soviet Union easy access to the Mediterranean Sea and stop Greece from being taken over by the Communists.


8 posted on 02/17/2012 10:39:51 PM PST by U-238
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This data from the new radar station would be invaluable for Israel in case of an Iranian attack. It would prepare the IDF forces to “hunker down”, give trajectory information and provide warning for the Israeli population to get into the air raid shelters.


9 posted on 02/17/2012 11:02:56 PM PST by U-238
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To: U-238
...after Israel's refusal to apologise and compensate the flotilla victims.

As if there were no Israeli victims, who where attacked with clubs and knives
10 posted on 02/17/2012 11:10:32 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder (The right thing is not always the popular thing)
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To: U-238

Turkey has worn out its welcome in NATO. They proved their uselessness by denying our 4th Division the use of its territory for the invasion of Iraq in 2003 (irrespective of Colin Powell’s diplomatic incompetence). And their recent flotilla debacle, and threats against Israel should seal the deal for their exit.


11 posted on 02/17/2012 11:11:44 PM PST by montag813
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To: Telepathic Intruder

Why should Israel apologize when the flotilla was obviously carrying weapons to Hamas?


12 posted on 02/17/2012 11:12:58 PM PST by U-238
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To: montag813

I agree. But the sticking point is Incirlik Air Base and EU membership.


13 posted on 02/17/2012 11:16:02 PM PST by U-238
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To: U-238

Turkey is part of the alliance against Israel in the Latter Days and the Latter Years (8 and 16) in Ezekiel 38.


14 posted on 02/17/2012 11:52:04 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: montag813; PGR88; F15Eagle

The least damaging action would be for the US to get our nukes and equipment out of Turkey as fast as possible and then get out of NATO, cutting off foreign aid to ‘em all.


15 posted on 02/18/2012 12:12:11 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: U-238
NATO is a tool of the Western EU-Anglo-American globalist oligarchy. They don't care a bit about the life of the common man. They don't care about the local interests of Turkey and Israel. They only care about holding onto their power and wealth. Wealth that is gotten by manipulating national economies. If America withdrew, NATO would dissolve. Please America, give us a president and congress that pulls us out of NATO and the UN.
16 posted on 02/18/2012 12:53:42 AM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

r u insane, drunk or just an @sshole?


17 posted on 02/18/2012 1:14:32 AM PST by Blado (Obama's brain is a coprolite from the Late Soviet Era)
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To: U-238

Turkey will pretend they really mean this and we’ll pretend to believe them

Meanwhile Turkey and Israel face common enemies and will continue to watch each others’ backs, at least back channel


18 posted on 02/18/2012 3:42:10 AM PST by silverleaf (Funny how all the people who are for abortion are already born)
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To: Blado

Actually, LoneRangerMassachusetts is simply a M@sshole!! It comes with the territory!


19 posted on 02/18/2012 5:37:45 AM PST by NHResident
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To: Telepathic Intruder

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20 posted on 02/18/2012 5:40:56 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Blado

What’s wrong with leaving NATO and the UN?


21 posted on 02/18/2012 5:46:22 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: U-238

One the data is fed into a US comm link, what Turkey will or won’t allow becomes totally irrelevant.


22 posted on 02/18/2012 5:51:09 AM PST by rbg81 (scillian's)
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Thanks U-238.
"We will never allow any third country to use any NATO facility. Our position will be even more clear if it is particularly Israel," Davutoglu told a joint news conference with visiting NATO chief Anders Fogh Rasmussen in Ankara... after some media outlets reported that the United States and Israel have carried out a joint missile test by using intelligence gathered by a NATO radar system based in eastern Turkey.
No problem. It's long past time to dump Turkey the hell out of NATO. We should wait, though, until we've built our support network for local insurgencies, so that what's left of the Ottoman Caliphate can be dismantled and the indigenous peoples attain Right of Return.


23 posted on 02/18/2012 5:59:00 AM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

as an unfortunate resident of your state sir I find your whining about globalist oligarchy nonsense offensive. The only thing I can agree with is leaving the UN but you don’t have to bring all the hippy nim chimpsky gore vidal crap into it.


24 posted on 02/18/2012 6:26:43 AM PST by utherdoul
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To: utherdoul; Blado
What they don't teach you in business school is the way the internationalists work. The international racket operates beyond the laws of sovereign states. Huge sums of money move around the planet. Western operatives love the Islamic dictators like the Saudis. They can launder their money, put it in secret Swiss bank accounts, and bribe local politicians. You think Bill Clinton has made more than $100,000,000 in speaking fees for his business acumen or his political connections?

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25 posted on 02/18/2012 7:30:07 AM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: U-238

Israel does not belong to NATO.

It is not allowed for NATO members to share intel with non-NATO members.

Where’s the story here?

As far as NATO membership, Turkey has been a member since 1952, the 13th out of 28 members to join. Turkey joined 3 years before Germany and sent many troops to die next to and supporting our troops in Korea. Anyone remember the Cold War, Warsaw Pact?

Next to Israel, they are the best friend we have in the Middle East.


26 posted on 02/18/2012 8:37:47 AM PST by gandalftb (11th MEU, 2/4 Echo, TRAP Force)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

“What they don’t teach you in business school is the way the internationalists work.”

Can you provide REAL evidence in support of your statements?


27 posted on 02/18/2012 9:46:09 AM PST by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: Owl558
“What they don’t teach you in business school is the way the internationalists work.”

Can you provide REAL evidence in support of your statements?

What? Are you going to law-fare me now? You expect me to have video tape from hidden cameras overseas? I'm supposed to have subpoena power over Swiss banks?

When Orwell wrote Animal Farm did he give you "real evidence" on how the communists took over Russia? Or, did he simply supply you with observations in sufficient detail to help you put together the logic of the narrative.

28 posted on 02/18/2012 10:31:56 AM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: U-238

With friends like Turkey, who needs enemies.


29 posted on 02/18/2012 12:31:30 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: gandalftb

The Republic or Turkey was our ally in the Middle East. Since teh election of the Islamist AKP, they have been led by our enemies.


30 posted on 02/18/2012 2:54:55 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: gandalftb

We do have a Memoradum of Understanding with Israel.The Strategic Cooperation Agreement was concluded on November 30, 1981 between the United States and Israel during the first Reagan administration and coincided with an official visit of Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir. The agreement was signed by Israeli Defense Minister Ariel Sharon and American Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger and pledged specific actions from both parties to increase strategic cooperation between them.

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/About+the+Ministry/MFA+Spokesman/2007/Signing+of+Memorandum+of+Understanding+between+Israel+and+the+United+States+16-Aug-2007.htm

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Peace+Process/Guide+to+the+Peace+Process/US-Israel+Memorandum+of+Understanding.htm


31 posted on 02/18/2012 5:37:11 PM PST by U-238
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To: gandalftb

Turkey has been siding with Iran in numerous issues.In June 2009, Turkish President Abdullah Gul called Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to congratulate him on his re-election and wished Iran continued success.In March 2009, Iran and Turkey signed a memorandum of understanding agreeing to cooperate in air, land, and sea transportation as part of an effort to raise the two countries’ bilateral trade to $20 billion.


32 posted on 02/18/2012 5:40:42 PM PST by U-238
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

“When Orwell wrote Animal Farm did he give you “real evidence”...?”

You’re not Orwell.


33 posted on 02/18/2012 8:06:54 PM PST by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: U-238

We are a member of NATO just like Turkey and cannot pass NATO intel to Israel no matter what agreements we have with Israel.

The convicted spy, Jonathan Pollard tried to pass on similar intel to Israel.


34 posted on 02/18/2012 9:02:21 PM PST by gandalftb (11th MEU, 2/4 Echo, TRAP Force)
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To: gandalftb

But we have security agreements with Israel. During Gulf War I we shared early warning satellite data with them.


35 posted on 02/18/2012 9:40:57 PM PST by U-238
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To: gandalftb

We have 30 years worth of security and other agreements with Israel, unless you want to break them.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/US-Israel/MOUs.html


36 posted on 02/18/2012 9:44:34 PM PST by U-238
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To: gandalftb

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB235/index.htm

Documents 20-25


37 posted on 02/18/2012 10:02:17 PM PST by U-238
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To: Owl558
You’re not Orwell.

Who knew Lloyd Bentsen lurked around at Free Republic.

38 posted on 02/18/2012 10:17:14 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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39 posted on 02/19/2012 6:00:27 AM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do !)
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To: U-238

I don’t see this impacting much of anything.

The US is in NATO, so will get NATO intel. And if warranted, we reclassify it... and send the intel to Israel. Without telling anyone, of course... as that would honk off Turkey, who then stop cooperating.


40 posted on 02/19/2012 7:41:33 AM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: gogogodzilla

The U.S. shares intel with their Israeli counterparts( and vice versa) on a wide range of issues


41 posted on 02/19/2012 5:52:40 PM PST by U-238
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The Israeli air defense system(Arrow 2) is collaboration between Boeing and IAI.


42 posted on 02/19/2012 5:55:34 PM PST by U-238
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To: U-238

Maybe it’s time NATO gave membership to Israel and dropped Turkey.


43 posted on 02/20/2012 10:28:25 AM PST by Wuli
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To: Wuli

I think it is Turkey’s time to choose. Iran or NATO.The problem is the nukes at Incirlik Air Base.There are about 90 B61 gravity bombs.U.S. and European officials still maintain that the political value of the nuclear weapons is enough to keep them deployed across Europe. In particular, they argue that the weapons are “an essential political and military link” between NATO members and help maintain alliance cohesion. That is Turkey’s leverage over the U.S. But that can be solved in one massive airlift from Turkey to Israel and U.S destroy the base.


44 posted on 02/20/2012 5:16:12 PM PST by U-238
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To: U-238

“But that can be solved in one massive airlift from Turkey to Israel and U.S destroy the base.”

“from Turkey to Israel”

why not from Turkey to a U.S. Airbase in the independent state of Kurdistan - oh, that’s right, it’s not independent (yet???)


45 posted on 02/21/2012 5:58:19 PM PST by Wuli
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To: Wuli

Kurdistan will not last too long. They are surrounded by too many “enemuies”. Turkey has made too many incursions there with Iranian blessing. Iran has basically wiped their professional class them off the map through their ‘executions’.As of May 2010, there are at least 16 other Kurdish political prisoners on death row. Not one case has been reported as having received a fair trial.’Iraq is ready to do the same when we are gone. Do you realize that there are 200,000 Kurdish Jews that live in Israel. Jews and Christians are a protected class in Kurdistan.


46 posted on 02/21/2012 9:36:48 PM PST by U-238
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