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Does Ryan Now Agree with Gingrich? [And now, here's the rest of the story]
American Thinker ^ | February 18, 2012 | Kevin Tharp

Posted on 02/18/2012 1:10:22 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: txrangerette

What upsets me the most about this Santorum meltdown is that it is a huge weapon the left can use to paint Santorum as a right wing lunatic who wants to ban birth control and he’s doing nothing but make it worse.

I was (and am) prepared to vote for Santorum if he got the nomination but now I’m really scared that he is actually unelectable.

He does not handle questions about this well at all. He gets all tangled up in his arguments, saying more and more dumb things.


51 posted on 02/18/2012 8:02:09 PM PST by altura
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To: altura

And they call Newt undisciplined.

I’m just sayin’...compared to WHOM...Santorum?


52 posted on 02/18/2012 8:15:12 PM PST by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: CutePuppy

Good post.

Santorum doesn’t have the competence to facilitate the change that’s animating his campaign. He’s just an establishment bit player that’s too often in a state of disbelief.

You want our Country back, folks, vote Newt!!!


53 posted on 02/18/2012 10:22:45 PM PST by Gene Eric (Save a pretzel for the gas jet.)
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To: txrangerette; altura; hoosiermama; onyx; JediJones; All
To get bogged down in that when as Rush well knows, this nation will not survive another Obama 4 years of radical left dictatorship... It pains me.

I liked Rick better when he didn't speak... much. But I am glad that he finally "speaks his mind" now, while there may still be time for people to wake up and take another look at who [he thinks] he is, before he did irreparable damage to conservative movement.

In less than two weeks after his win, Santorum is showing more people who he is, and what he would be like as a president, or what he would really like to be if "they/we" let him (a humorless, lacking in humility arrogant sourpuss, two-bit dictator). He was nicknamed "Rooster" in school, so it seems that it developed early.

""Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power" - Abraham Lincoln

Looks like being a Senator was already over the limit of his Peter Principle quota. But so was Biden's... and many other public servants.

Santorum was simply a beneficiary of Newt conserving his limited resources and not campaigning in states where "beauty contest" primaries don't allocate binding or any delegates (didn't even register for MO primaries because delegates are assigned later in MO caucuses) hoping for Santorum to stop Romney's Florida "momentum" and then lose delegates in some other states where he is also not likely to contend, which is exactly what happened.

Unfortunately, the possible side-effect of Santorum win, with the help of the willing media and other anti-Newt forces, is that his "momentum" may convince some conservatives to move sharply to Santorum ("to stop Mitt") in the states where Gingrich should naturally do well, and thus jeopardize a slew of delegates in the Super Tuesday and beyond, thus giving more delegates to SantoRomney/RomTorum ticket.

The Tea Parties in the important states and districts should be made aware of this and come out strongly for Newt, not be moved by polls and giving their vote to Romney/Santorum.

Newt was for Tea Party before Tea Party was cool, when it was just a concept. Tea Party people have no other champion in this race, they should understand that:
Gingrich's Secret Weapon: Newt Inc. - FR, post #21, by JediJones, 2012 February 02


54 posted on 02/18/2012 10:27:50 PM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: Just mythoughts; conservativejoy; altura; txrangerette
Yes, RUSH researchers, credibility is a sad thing to throw away.
Rush has occasionally been a disappointment during this primary.

FReeper Mind-numbed Robot had a good take on this "phenomena" -

Reagan Had the Recipe for Success. Let's Follow It (Newt Gingrich in WSJ) - FR posts #27, #37, by Mind-numbed Robot, 2012 December 30

It's interesting since Gingrich actually seems very humble, accepting the possibility of sometimes making mistakes and responsibility for them. He doesn't seem to succumb to "Not Invented Here" disease and is often giving credit to other people for ideas or accomplishments.

Of course, that's a mark of true leader ("It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit" - Ronald Reagan) - not necessarily of "movement" talk show hosts.

55 posted on 02/18/2012 10:35:26 PM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: CutePuppy
I'll borrow your Lincoln quote:

"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power" - Abraham Lincoln

Rush crows about the state media using his program for their show prep, so he well knows the power of his words and he makes no bones about his influence on the debate.

It would seem we have 2 "roosters" (with reference to your mention of a Santorum H.S. nickname). But I'm not convinced that Rush isn't already backing Mitt and this is all just manipulation of conservatives.

As Rush continues to repeat, anyone of them would be better than Obama. That holds truth but that has also kept Romney on par with the conservative field (that has been cynically narrowed down to these last 4 "choices").

It would be interesting to look into a crystal ball and see what this primary would look like today w/o the influence of Rush and others (who plead complete fairness toward the field).

56 posted on 02/19/2012 2:21:35 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: CutePuppy

Your opponent will attempt (and hope to succeed) in taking your strength, and through manipulation and repetition, paint it as a negative so it becomes toxic and useless to you.


57 posted on 02/19/2012 2:26:53 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
But I'm not convinced that Rush isn't already backing Mitt and this is all just manipulation of conservatives.

I seldom even get a chance to listen (and usually have less interest in hearing for 3 hours the "chewing and milking" of something that is less than I can usually find on FR, Drudge and my email in a few minutes) but whenever I did, it seems that he's been trying to keep his options open, while still trying to subtly play the kingmaker.

Also, many open primaries threw the monkey wrench into the race early, and Dems are openly using his ill-considered "Operation Chaos" against hapless Republicans (who allow it - something Tea Party could easily unite in stopping after the elections) so he doesn't want to go out on a limb with predictions and be shown wrong, especially since he can hide it behind the claim of "not interfering in primaries" - it's a win-win for him - much easier to just read and comment on the polls that he can pick and chose and interpret any way he sees fit.

I don't think he is too pleased, because he knows that he will have to "carry water" for Mitt if he becomes the nominee (which Rush said he will no longer do for GOP after McCain's campaign), but he seems to really favor Santorum, while sliding over and ignoring his big government, statist résumé.

He's been harshest on Newt, even before Paul Ryan's fiasco of sticking the massive, unvetted Medicare reform into otherwise decent, as first step, and winnable budget plan.

The few times he had Newt on his program, he kept cutting him off, and generally wasn't very interested in explanations as much as trying to show off himself and his own "brilliance" and importance / influence.

Many times when he spoke of Newt, it was only to bring up something that he couldn't bring himself to admit he was wrong; mostly phony issues, that he locked himself into to disagree with (harping on "Ryan plan" or replaying "Era of Reagan is over" etc.) but not giving Newt credit for the things or ideas he brought up.

People laughed at Reagan's "supply-side economics" (Bush called it "voodoo economics") the same way they are laughing at some of Gingrich's ideas, even those which seem tame by comparison. There is no question that Rush feels he would see his influence or position of conservative "thought leader" greatly diminished if Newt becomes President or even just a nominee.


"If you have no enemies, you are not important enough to have made any" - Alexandre Dumas

"Our worst enemies here are not the ignorant and simple... our worst enemies are the intelligent and corrupt" - Henry Graham Greene

58 posted on 02/19/2012 5:14:46 AM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: CutePuppy; altura

If I need to be more clear, I was disussing with altura that RUSH shouldn’t get bogged down defending or even discussing Santorum’s musings that are not on the core of what Rush himself says we face as a nation if O is re-elected.

If Santorum chooses to say more things that aren’t on that core subject, that’s for the best. Best people know that now, not later. Because he has many statements going way back, for the Dems to chew up, and it would be a shame if he shut up and people didn’t research and didn’t know about them, and voted for him on that ignorance.

Altura and I were wishing and hoping that Rush doesn’t pull another all out defense of a candidate against the media, with Santorum, such as he did with Cain.

We want Rush to stay on, get back on, message.

Not that Santorum should be able to hide his true thoughts.


59 posted on 02/19/2012 6:18:56 AM PST by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: CutePuppy
..........There is no question that Rush feels he would see his influence or position of conservative "thought leader" greatly diminished if Newt becomes President or even just a nominee.

As Rush would say......"You may have inadvertently stumbled on the truth."

Though I would say that you've zeroed in on the truth.

60 posted on 02/19/2012 3:23:04 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: txrangerette
We want Rush to stay on, get back on, message.

Big DITTO that!!

Rush's weeks long defense of certain candidates was such over-kill and did nothing, NOTHING positive.

61 posted on 02/19/2012 3:26:06 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

For a guy who professes to see the end of America as we know it, if Obama and Reid stay in charge, he has digressed so much it’s unbelievable.

Obamacare alone is worth nearly all of his precious air time.

But there’s tons more he should be hammering on.

So what does he do? Becomes obsessed with defending Cain, and I’m worried he will do the same with Santorum.

And gives the shortest shrift to the most qualified leader in the race, Newt.


62 posted on 02/19/2012 10:39:04 PM PST by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: txrangerette
....But there’s tons more he should be hammering on.

I'd like to hear Rush rant about this!

The Trouble with Mitt

63 posted on 02/20/2012 1:28:11 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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