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Students dodge bullets near Utah Lake
ksl.com ^ | 17 February, 2012 | Andrew Wittenberg

Posted on 02/18/2012 8:09:54 AM PST by marktwain

SARATOGA SPRINGS — Forty students from Westlake High School went from taking pictures Friday afternoon to taking fire from target shooters near Utah Lake.

It's a common thing on the western side of Utah Lake: gunfire, on public land, with signs everywhere to let people know to be cautious.

But Friday, the group of students, here on a field trip, came under fire when target shooters bullets got far too close for comfort.

A mother of one of the students recalls a text message from her terrified daughter: "It's been going on for 10 minutes. We're laying on the ground and waiting for police to come," Collette Boden read.

The two men were firing at targets on this hillside, unaware there was a school bus full of children on the other side, down by the water's edge.

When the shooting began, the students were taking pictures and testing water samples. Teachers and bus driver quickly put all the students back on the bus. Twenty more minutes passed before Utah County sheriff's deputies arrived.

"The shooters were not being really negligent or reckless or careless," said Sgt. Spencer Cannon. "They were not aware of the ricochet, and that's one of the risks of target shooting in areas like this: you can have a ricochet that can be dangerous for other people in the area."

The students were a half mile away from where the bullets were fired. Utah County authorities did not cite the two men, who cooperated fully and moved once they realized what was happening.

Alpine School District officials said students take field trips to that area frequently and did not question the location chosen by the teacher and bus driver.

"This was just such a freak incidence," Boden said. "The teachers did their best to handle it the way they could. The concern was the response time. Why wasn't anyone coming?"

Some parents, like Boden, wonder why the Saratoga Springs Police Department didn't respond, since their officers were obviously closer. But that department said they simply weren't dispatched to the scene.

Email: awittenberg@ksl.com


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: banglist; shooter; student; ut
So, if the teachers thought they were under fire, why did they stay put in the bus instead of leaving the area? I wonder if they actually saw bullets hit in the water, or if they heart the shots. It might be a combination. The officers mention "the ricochet", so perhaps it was just one freak ricochet that went out into the lake and made a splash.

It would be nice to have more details.

1 posted on 02/18/2012 8:09:57 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Yes, the story lacks critical details. Were I to venture a guess, I’d speculate that the teachers heard gunshots and immediately demanded that Government keep them all safe. Since this is speculation I reserve the right to edit or amend my comments at a later time.


2 posted on 02/18/2012 8:17:37 AM PST by DBrow
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To: marktwain

Reminiscent of PIAPS “dodging” sniper bullets in Kosovo.


3 posted on 02/18/2012 8:18:57 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: marktwain

Is it possible to actually dodge a bullet?


4 posted on 02/18/2012 8:20:25 AM PST by Krankor (eenie meenie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak.)
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To: Krankor
Is it possible to actually dodge a bullet?

Yes, I saw it just the other day on TV... I think his name was "Pootie Tang".

5 posted on 02/18/2012 8:24:32 AM PST by laker_dad
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To: Krankor

“Is it possible to actually dodge a bullet?”

Only if it’s at “point blank range”, another favorite media shooting reference.


6 posted on 02/18/2012 8:24:54 AM PST by DBrow
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To: DBrow

If they were there collecting water samples with a teacher, that tells me all I need to know about the intelligence of the teacher. Stay in harms way to prove a point and create a ruckus against those evil gunmen.


7 posted on 02/18/2012 8:25:12 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: laker_dad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUoKDCAqWog


8 posted on 02/18/2012 8:26:48 AM PST by laker_dad
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To: marktwain

Move that bus!


9 posted on 02/18/2012 8:35:46 AM PST by scott7278 ("...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked..." - BHO)
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To: marktwain
confused. On the ground - on the bus - bus stayed there waiting for the police. I bet they heard the shots and they sounded close - over a hill from the water - could it ricochet over the hill? I think the title does not represent what really happened. UGH the press pushing and agenda like MSNBC
10 posted on 02/18/2012 8:35:56 AM PST by Tubac414 (Just want to ride my Motorcycle)
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To: Krankor
It is for this man:


11 posted on 02/18/2012 8:36:04 AM PST by arderkrag (Georgia is God's Country. LOOKING FOR ROLEPLAYERS. Check Profile.)
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To: marktwain

Those “evil” guns again...

Of course, this is being painted in the most ugly light possible. But notice the Sheriff said that the shooters were not negligent. I strongly suspect that no bullets came anywhere near the students. They heard gunshots (funny thing the sound of a firearm makes near water... it can make it sound like it is far closer). And God forbid that a minnow or other fish disturb the water near the sound of a gunshot... someone might think they were under attack... (/sarcasm)


12 posted on 02/18/2012 8:40:09 AM PST by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: laker_dad

LOL!


13 posted on 02/18/2012 8:41:11 AM PST by Ladysmith (The evil that's happening in this country is the cancer of socialism...It kills the human spirit.)
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To: marktwain

Luck fiberals.


14 posted on 02/18/2012 8:45:05 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: marktwain

If they had gone a little bit north, then the Utes would have chased them out also with overhead rifle fire for trespassing on the reservation.
Stupidity 101 has lots of alumni teaching in our schools.
One of the teachers here wants to put a youth center in the same building as the new police station, telling the mayor that it would be great for kids to be close to cops.
Sorry but they`re gonna be only a few feet from registered sex offenders. Idiot teachers left their brains in kindergarten. No wonder our children are coming out knowing so little and knowing so much crap.


15 posted on 02/18/2012 9:03:00 AM PST by bunkerhill7 (Idiots in teaching positions??. = Who knew??)
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To: Tubac414

Deformed bullets at a high velocity can go in strange directions. Fortunately, they usually have little energy left when they impact.


16 posted on 02/18/2012 9:24:51 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Why didn’t they get into the...or maybe they were, report kinda confusing...and drive away?


17 posted on 02/18/2012 9:26:18 AM PST by Conservative4Ever (Waiting for the new tagline to download)
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To: Krankor
I understand that it happens all the time in Matrixville...


18 posted on 02/18/2012 9:26:33 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: marktwain

Yes, why did they just sit on the bus ‘waiting’? That’s stupid. You don’t suppose there is anti-gun agenda in this do you?//s


19 posted on 02/18/2012 9:39:32 AM PST by bboop (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? St. Augustine)
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To: marktwain

I want to know what kind of dumb shooters don’t know about the concept of “ricochet.” I agree with another poster, however, and there seems to be some detail missing from this story.


20 posted on 02/18/2012 10:04:30 AM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: marktwain

This whole article is silly. I have shot along this stretch of the lake several times. This is a big lake and the road runs along the lake for miles. The road is 100’s of yards or more away from the shore. The hills where people shoot are 100’s of yards or more past the road. I doubt any bullets got close to the kids. The highly doubt the shooters or the kids could even see each other if they wanted to.

People drown in the lake every year but I have never heard of a gun death or gun accident in that area. No utah lake shooting accidents came up on google either.

This would be like living in LA and hitting the floor every time you heard gun shots.


21 posted on 02/18/2012 11:00:30 AM PST by Rad_J
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To: marktwain
Why does the article use the term "taking fire?" That seems to imply a deliberate action on the part of the target shooters.

And one of the students was texting, while "taking fire?"

22 posted on 02/18/2012 11:35:58 AM PST by NakedRampage (Puttin' the "stud" in Bible study)
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To: marktwain
Sounds like more anti-2nd amendment propaganda.
23 posted on 02/18/2012 11:43:12 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: marktwain
Sounds more like artificial anti-gun hysteria..........those horrible right wingers are shooting, how can this be happening.......

Quick, pass some new laws to protect us..........

24 posted on 02/18/2012 12:27:29 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: Paved Paradise
I want to know what kind of dumb shooters don't know about the concept of "ricochet".

It brings to mind an absolutely unnecessary tragedy in Northern Ontario. It was up near Batchewana Bay, about 45 miles north of Sault Ste Marie. Three kids were playing on a fallen tree trunk the other side of a small lake. A family friend was a man whose nick name was Duffy.

He was taking shots with his rifle about 100 feet from the kids to sort of scare them. A bullet flew off the surface of the lake and killed a 12 year old boy. The Ontario Provincial Police carried out tests to validate or not, his story. The sharp shooter for the force found that the bullets would speed off the water. The man got seven years jail. His appeal was turned down. This was about 12 years ago.

25 posted on 02/18/2012 12:32:48 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: Peter Libra

Huh?


26 posted on 02/18/2012 1:33:32 PM PST by x1stcav (I'm voting for anyone in 2012 but an Ivy Leager.)
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To: Gaffer

My reaction exactly.

I think we’ve got an anti-gun nut teaching this class.


27 posted on 02/18/2012 1:34:46 PM PST by x1stcav (I'm voting for anyone in 2012 but an Ivy Leager.)
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To: Krankor
Is it possible to actually dodge a bullet?

Not when driving a Plymouth . . .

28 posted on 02/18/2012 2:24:51 PM PST by Petruchio (I Think . . . Therefor I FReep.)
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To: Krankor
Is it possible to actually dodge a bullet?

Prince of Space could dodge yer ray guns all day.
29 posted on 02/18/2012 4:44:03 PM PST by RandallFlagg (Look for the union label, then buy elsewhere.)
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To: RandallFlagg
Prince of Space could dodge yer ray guns all day.

Hey, it ain't over til the fat lady sings!
30 posted on 02/18/2012 5:07:42 PM PST by Krankor (eenie meenie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak.)
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To: NakedRampage
And one of the students was texting, while "taking fire?"

Calling in air support...

31 posted on 02/19/2012 8:09:23 AM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: Peter Libra

I actually recall this case. Wow. Forgot all about it.


32 posted on 02/20/2012 3:01:38 PM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: Paved Paradise
Thanks for your reply.

I certainly do not wish to carry on and over emphasize the point. This certainly does not bring any positive result, re education. I would like to mention prior lack of information can ruin lives.

The "Jet Skis" in use on lakes for recreation lacked safety rules. They were sold willy nilly. Persons drove close to swimmers and canoe users, jokingly trying to splash or scare them. Several fatalities occurred, because of the wide turn needed.

I have no quarrel with conscientious users of fire arms.

33 posted on 02/20/2012 4:46:06 PM PST by Peter Libra
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