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GOVERNOR WRONG TO HAVE FLAG LOWERED TO HALF STAFF FOR CELEBRITIES
NJLawman.com---Police and Law Enforcement News ^ | 2-16-2012 | Editorial

Posted on 02/18/2012 5:40:00 PM PST by smoothsailing

GOVERNOR WRONG TO HAVE FLAG LOWERED TO HALF STAFF FOR CELEBRITIES

NJLawman.com-Police and Law Enforcement News

Thursday, February 16, 2012

Yesterday, New Jersey Governor Chris Christie ordered all New Jersey State and American flags to be lowered to half staff on Saturday in honor of Entertainer Whitney Houston who passed away this week.

Last year, the governor did the same for Clarence Clemmons, the saxophone player for the E Street Band.

In January, Pennsylvania Governor Tom Corbett ordered the state flag to half staff for three days in honor of Penn State Football Coach Joe Paterno when he passed.

We take great issue with this practice.

Ms. Houston and Mr. Clemmons are both children of our great state and were both wildly successful. Each has made a significant contribution to music, culture, and the arts, and both are deserving of many accolades.

But just as an American serviceman killed in Helmand Province, Afghanistan is not deserving of a Grammy award, musicians and celebrities are not deserving of the lowering of the American flag.

Simply, not everybody gets every honor.

There are few gestures as symbolic and as loud as an entire state lowering their flags at the same moment for the same amount of time.

Seeing a flag at the half staff position should spawn pause and thought. It should make one a bit unsettled but at the same time thankful. It should make one ask, "what happened?"

A flag at half staff gives publicity to courage and nobility otherwise only mildly publicized. For one day, it is an inescapable message announcing to an entire state that tragedy occurred and reminding everyone that the fruits of each free day come with a price.

Expanding this honor only diminishes its meaning and raises the question: where does it end?

Between Ms. Houston and Mr. Clemmons, entire rooms could be filled with the distinctions they have each received throughout their lives.

In the coming months and years they will continue to be given well deserved recognition for their accomplishments.

But there are certain honors that should and must be set aside.

Rifle salutes, aircraft flyovers, and half-staffed flags are among those honors and they should not be on the public menu.

It is eminently important that we protect the tributes that have become part of the military and public service fabric over the past two centuries. They are part of our tradition and should not be for sale at any price. They should not be available to take, and they should not be available to give.

The manner in which we lay the valorous when they fall helps define how we should carry ourselves while we live.

Lowering the flag to half staff should be reserved only for those who perish as a result of public duty and service, protecting our nation and the Constitution, and for those who served as formal leaders and dignitaries.

This practice must stop.

New Jersey Law Enforcement Magazine



TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: blunders; christie; halfstaff; oldglory
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1 posted on 02/18/2012 5:40:06 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

Not being a fan of Christie... face it... Mr. Christie is governor...He can do whatever he wants. Period. Move on to a real topic.


2 posted on 02/18/2012 5:43:09 PM PST by ptsal (E)
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To: smoothsailing
Flags at half mast are not for celebrities, singers, actors, etc.
They are for HEROES.
3 posted on 02/18/2012 5:43:51 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: smoothsailing

My neighbor had a pet ferret that died the other day.

I am going to demand that my state and all the neighboring states put their flags at 1/2 mast. And all the ships at sea.

They will probably do it.


4 posted on 02/18/2012 5:45:02 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Spoiler Alert! The secret to Terra Nova: THEY ARE ALL DEAD!!!)
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To: ptsal
Definitely. Speech code restrictions for governors are so Fascistic ~ makes me think of the Democrats and their PC Cr*p.

The young lady was from Jersey and made a contribution that was well known.

5 posted on 02/18/2012 5:45:29 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: cloudmountain

Totally disgusting.


6 posted on 02/18/2012 5:46:06 PM PST by The Duke
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To: ptsal
The governor can do what he wishes.
That doesn't mean that he's is correct, or that everyone who disagrees with him should just shut up and sit down.

A REAL topic? What is MORE real than the respect due to our flag? Yes, it's just a piece of cloth but it STANDS FOR so much more. It IS a REAL topic.

7 posted on 02/18/2012 5:47:41 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: muawiyah

Maybe she should have used some of that crack money to make a contribution to her daughter’s health specifically braces for her teeth. How much of her money went for drugs? Over how long a period. They even had a moment of silence for Michael Jackson in Congress. When was the last time any American solder was shown that kind of respect from politicians. The NJ governor is just pandering.


8 posted on 02/18/2012 5:49:42 PM PST by SkyDancer ("No Matter How The People Vote There Will Always Be A Federal Judge To Over Turn It")
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To: cloudmountain

No it isn’t. This is barely a topic at all, let alone an important one. Who cares about how they fly their flag while Rome is burning?


9 posted on 02/18/2012 5:49:42 PM PST by Flightdeck (If you hear me yell "Eject, Eject, Eject!" the last two will be echos...)
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To: cloudmountain

“Flags at half mast are not for celebrities, singers, actors, etc.
They are for HEROES.”

Since he has jumped on Romney’s wagon, Christie lost his mind.


10 posted on 02/18/2012 5:49:49 PM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: smoothsailing

Hopefully the current entertainment circus is soon over. Two weeks of fake praise and accolades for another dead junkie is a bit much. They paint the target on themselves ... no one does it to them!


11 posted on 02/18/2012 5:50:20 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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To: smoothsailing
Here in NM, the flags have been more or less permanently at half-staff for one reason or another for the past decade.

It is known as de-sensitivation of a national identity and should be reserved for very few occasions.

It has become so common that nobody even notices or cares anymore.

I'm wondering why the flag is raised at all anymore. Nobody notices but me and a few military veterans.

12 posted on 02/18/2012 5:51:52 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: smoothsailing

WTF? Is there someone who measures talent and accomplishments of an entertainer and makes the decision? This is crap. Does Dionne Warwick make it? Jon Bon Jovi? David Copperfield? Ice-T? Jerry Lewis? Jack Nicholson? Kevin Spacey? Meryl Streep? Ray Liotta?


13 posted on 02/18/2012 5:52:40 PM PST by doug from upland (Just in case, it has been reserved: www.TheBitchIsBack2012.com)
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To: smoothsailing

I’m guessing that if he HADN’T lowered the flags that Barry, Jesse, and Sharpie would be calling him a racist by now.


14 posted on 02/18/2012 5:54:29 PM PST by CMailBag
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To: cloudmountain

Yes, it’s just a piece of cloth but it STANDS FOR so much more


Well, it used to anyway.


15 posted on 02/18/2012 5:55:33 PM PST by PaleoBob
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To: Marguerite
Flags at half mast are not for celebrities, singers, actors, etc. They are for HEROES.”

Since he has jumped on Romney’s wagon, Christie lost his mind.

I believe Gov Crispy Cream did the same thing when Clarence Clemens of the E Street Band died. Springstein wouldn't p#ss on any Republican if they were on fire, yet the flag was flown half mast for his sax player.

After his support for the World trade Center Victory mosque, I've lost any respect for Christy.

16 posted on 02/18/2012 5:57:26 PM PST by YankeeReb
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To: muawiyah

A lot of people from NJ make contributions to their state.
Krispi Kream should have never dropped a flag for her.


17 posted on 02/18/2012 5:58:44 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: ptsal

Yassuh, boss!!


18 posted on 02/18/2012 5:59:45 PM PST by Misterioso (The uncontested absurdities of today are the accepted slogans of tomorrow. - Ayn Rand)
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To: elkfersupper

We moved to a small town in Ohio 6 yrs ago. The flag in our local cemetary has been at half staff for all those years. Like you, I’ve asked and no one seems to have an answer.

When we grew up half staff actually MEANT something.


19 posted on 02/18/2012 5:59:55 PM PST by bonfire
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To: PaleoBob
Yes, it’s just a piece of cloth but it STANDS FOR so much more
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Well, it used to anyway.

It still meanS so much more for me.
I have lived out of the country, two years in one place, five years in another. I am SO grateful to be born and brought up in this land. God blessed me with that gift. I can't think how I would ever feel differently no matter how many wet blankets, cynics, America-haters or just plain dispossessed will tell me how horrible things are here. It's still the BEST PLACE IN THE WORLD TO LIVE, THANGKEW.

20 posted on 02/18/2012 6:00:28 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: smoothsailing
he can lower his state flag if he wants to cause it belongs to NJ, but... the Stars and Stripes does NOT!!!

dumb move

21 posted on 02/18/2012 6:00:49 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Flightdeck
No it isn’t. This is barely a topic at all, let alone an important one.

Really? Twenty posts and counting. Does that tell you that some of us are interested??

22 posted on 02/18/2012 6:03:42 PM PST by Misterioso (The uncontested absurdities of today are the accepted slogans of tomorrow. - Ayn Rand)
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To: smoothsailing
*Only the president of the United States or the Governor of the state may order the flag to be at half-staff to honor the death of a national or state figure. In addition to the traditional half-staff salutes, the Flag Code mentions the use of our Flag for honoring leading citizens such as Martin Luther King, Jr.

*Private citizens and non government buildings may choose to fly their flags at half staff to honor more local leaders. The Flag Code does not exclude any citizen, whether they belong to an organization or not, whether they are recognized very locally or regionally. Examples of deceased citizens that might be honored with by lowering the Flag to half-staff include local religious leaders, youth leaders, honored teachers or sports coaches, local politicians, or a local hero. There need be no authorization from the government for the private sector (non-government) to use the Flag to honor any citizen.

*It is important to note that the Flag Code is a code, it is intended to provide guidance and is not obligatory. It carries no civil or criminal penalties for "misuse" of the Flag. Individual are not acting illegally when using the Flag according to their own usage. Only on government / public building is the flag code required to be followed.

Read more: http://www.gettysburgflag.com/FlyFlagHalfMast.php#ixzz1mmvgacf3

23 posted on 02/18/2012 6:03:42 PM PST by madison10
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To: smoothsailing

I couldn’t agree more with the editorial.

There are people in every profession that do an outstanding job of whatever they do, that doesn’t mean they deserve to have the U.S. Flag lowered to half staff to honor them in death.

Old Glory is a symbol of freedom and patriotism, let those be honored by lowering Her to half staff that have sacrificed for those virtues.


24 posted on 02/18/2012 6:05:22 PM PST by jazusamo (Character assassination is just another form of voter fraud: Thomas Sowell)
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To: YankeeReb

Clarence Clemens of the E Street Band

I don’t even know who he was. What exceptional thing did he do for his country?


25 posted on 02/18/2012 6:06:36 PM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: smoothsailing
Who the hell cares one way or another? Our once free nation is morphing into a totalitarian police state.

26 posted on 02/18/2012 6:07:51 PM PST by I see my hands (The old sod ne'er shall be forgot.)
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To: Chode

The only way a Governor can force the flag to be flown at half-staff is by dying.

Something we here in Illinois have been known to wish for!


27 posted on 02/18/2012 6:09:17 PM PST by bigbob
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To: smoothsailing
"Governors of the several U.S. states or territories are authorized by federal law to order all U.S. and state flags in their jurisdiction flown at half-staff as a mark of respect for a state official or resident who has died. Since a governor's executive order affects only his or her state, not the entire country, these orders are distinguished from presidential proclamation"

1989, Houston formed The Whitney Houston Foundation For Children, a non-profit organization that has raised funds for the needs of children around the world. The organization cares for homelessness, children with cancer or AIDS, and other issues of self-empowerment.

[1991, Houston put together her Welcome Home Heroes concert with HBO for the soldiers fighting in the Persian Gulf War and their families. The free concert took place at Naval Station Norfolk in Norfolk, Virginia in front of 3,500 servicemen and women. HBO descrambled the concert so that it was free for everyone to watch.[90] Houston's concert gave HBO its highest ratings ever

1990, Houston was the spokesperson for a youth leadership conference hosted in Washington, D.C. She had a private audience with President George H. W. Bush in the Oval Office to discuss the associated challenges.

[WIKI]

Give it a rest.

28 posted on 02/18/2012 6:10:01 PM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: bonfire

Perhaps it is to honor one of your state’s fallen service men or women.

In our state of Michigan, whenever a person from our state is killed in combat, the flag is lowered to half staff. The Governor orders the flag moved. It is on our state’s website listed as “Half-Staff Flag Alerts.” It is law put into effect in our state in 2006. Given the number of wars/conflicts/battles going on maybe it’s not so unusual for the flags to seem to be lowered so often.


29 posted on 02/18/2012 6:11:50 PM PST by madison10
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To: smoothsailing

Agree, smooth.


30 posted on 02/18/2012 6:11:56 PM PST by Girlene
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To: Flightdeck

With due respect, suggest you reconsider that comment in light of the words of the National Anthem, and the thousands who have died with those words in mind.


31 posted on 02/18/2012 6:12:19 PM PST by bigbob
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To: smoothsailing

As a former Federal prosecutor I should think this fat-ass, Lou Costello look-alike f**king RINO governor of my state would be looking into where and from whom Ms. Houston got her crack from.


32 posted on 02/18/2012 6:12:45 PM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: I see my hands

Love the folks who care enough to post that they don’t care and YOU shouldn’t care to post that you DO care.

Thanks for caring!

(and bumping to the top!)


33 posted on 02/18/2012 6:13:51 PM PST by bonfire
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To: Chode
New Jersey and the Stars and Stripes PREDATE this very nation.

BTW, I've saved several lives from certain death over the years. Did heroic work to save them.

They regularly lower flags for people with fewer accomplishments ~ administrative types in fact.

I don't begrudge anybody a lowered flag when they're dead.

This jealousy so many here are displaying of THE DEAD is bizarre. You can take yourself there in moments if you wish. See if anybody cares.

34 posted on 02/18/2012 6:15:30 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: smoothsailing

Not a peep of complaint when Frank Sanatra was given the flag at half mast. I think Christie can do as he choses in his state. Wait until Bruce Springsteen drops...it will be flag at half mast for a year.


35 posted on 02/18/2012 6:16:49 PM PST by napscoordinator (A moral principled Christian with character is the frontrunner! Congrats Santorum!)
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To: madison10

Yes, there are vets in this particular cemetary. I just assume this is why the flag is at half staff 24/7 360 days a year.

Who knows? I’ve even asked our council and they all look dumbfounded!


36 posted on 02/18/2012 6:16:54 PM PST by bonfire
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To: smoothsailing
The moderate republicans always make decision through an emotional prism. This to me, just degraded what flying the flag is for.. (call me old fashioned) I sure hope they don't try to put him on the ticket.
37 posted on 02/18/2012 6:22:27 PM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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To: madison10; jazusamo; Girlene; Chode

Flag Etiquette

Half Staff Displays


From the Nov.-Dec. 1994 National Flag Foundations "Standard Bearer" Magazine.
This article remains the copyrighted material of the National Flag Foundation and is presented here by permission.


Flying the flag at half-staff is an area of flag etiquette that most people want to make sure they get right. It is also an area for which the road to error is routinely paved with good intentions. With that in mind, we offer this refresher course as the all-important intersection where knowledge meets benevolence.

FLYING THE FLAG AT HALF-STAFF: The pertinent section of the Flag Code says, "by order of the President, the flag shall be flown at half-staff upon the death of principal figures of the United States Government and the Governor of a State, territory, or possesion, as a mark of respect to their memory. In the event of the death of other officials or foreign dignitaries, the flag is to be displayed at half-staff according to Presidential orders, or in accordance with recognized customs or practices not inconsistent with law.

In the event of the death a present or former official of the government of any State, territory, or possession of the United States, the Governor of that state, territory, or possession may proclaim that the National flag shall be flown at half-staff." The code also includes other related details including the specific length of time during which the flag should be displayed at half-staff, in the event of the death of a "principal figure"(e.g., 30 days for the death of a sitting or former President, 10 days for the death of a sitting Vice-President,etc.).

GOOD-FAITH MISUNDERSTANDINGS: Although the code is actually pretty clear, confusion continues to occur. For example, U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno recently ordered the American Flag flown at half-staff on all U.S. Department of Justice buildings, in honor of several DEA agents who had died. While NFF understands this gesture, the Flag Code does not give Attorney General Reno the authority to issue that order. Closer to NFF's Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania home, Mayor Tom Murphy ordered all flags flown at half-staff to honor the victims of a plane crash. Here again, a well-intentioned gesture, but one for which no authority exists. NFF points out these "good-faith misunderstandings" not to criticize or embarrass anyone, but rather to head off a growing trivialization of this memorial salute, and to preserve the dignity and significance of flying the U.S. flag at half-staff. To any readers who may think that NFF is insensitive for raising these breaches of etiquette, please be assured that our motives are pure. We grieve these human loses deeply; however, we believe proper respect for our flag must be maintained - no matter the circumstances.

We owe that respect to our living, our dead and our flag.

National Flag Foundation

38 posted on 02/18/2012 6:22:42 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

I am reminded that her rendition of our National Anthem for the Super Bowl was among the best at a time when it was needed, the Gulf War. This, in my mind, may be a solid reason. I, however, missed it as I was a very busy Marine SSgt. doing my duty in Desert Shield / Desert Storm.


39 posted on 02/18/2012 6:26:36 PM PST by Allah AtBar
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To: smoothsailing

I am reminded that her rendition of our National Anthem for the Super Bowl was among the best at a time when it was needed, the Gulf War. This, in my mind, may be a solid reason. I, however, missed it as I was a very busy Marine SSgt. doing my duty in Desert Shield / Desert Storm.


40 posted on 02/18/2012 6:26:54 PM PST by Allah AtBar
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To: Allah AtBar

Thank You for your service, Marine.

Semper Fidelis


41 posted on 02/18/2012 6:31:20 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Allah AtBar

You can say that again and Thank you for your service


42 posted on 02/18/2012 6:35:23 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: Allah AtBar

Glad to read input from a Desert Storm veteran. Well said, Sir.


43 posted on 02/18/2012 6:38:36 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: cloudmountain

Thank you!

Having lost my son, who was my only child, in service to his country, I agree with that statement. We shouldn’t dilute that honor for pop culture celebrities.

A lot of families of true heroes were offended by this.


44 posted on 02/18/2012 6:38:50 PM PST by conservativejoy
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To: fight_truth_decay

So you are saying that Benedict Arnold should have been buried with full honors because of his gallantry before he decided to become a traitor?

She made the conscious decision to pump her body full of that crap just as Arnold made the conscious decision to betray his country.

Reminds me that it only takes one Oh Shiite to erase a truckload of Atta Boys!


45 posted on 02/18/2012 6:40:11 PM PST by mazda77 (and I am a Native Texan)
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To: smoothsailing
Chris Christie is a RINO, everyone should know that by now.

He gets kudoes for his "gravitas", but if you notice the things he gets upset about are when HIS ideas and actions are questioned, not when CONSERVATIVE ideas and actions are questioned.

His endorsement of Romney should have tipped everyone off to his RINOism.
46 posted on 02/18/2012 6:40:46 PM PST by FrankR (You are only enslaved to the extent of the entitlements you receive.)
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To: smoothsailing

Thanks for posting, that makes it pretty clear.


47 posted on 02/18/2012 6:41:05 PM PST by jazusamo (Character assassination is just another form of voter fraud: Thomas Sowell)
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To: ptsal

“Mr. Christie is governor...He can do whatever he wants.”

Very true. But what he did says a lot about his discernment, especially his lack of it. That’s important information, especially if our nominee might consider Christie for his VP. We need an adult.


48 posted on 02/18/2012 6:45:23 PM PST by MayflowerMadam (Don't blame me; I voted for the American.)
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To: ptsal

Respect for tradition is a real topic

So why don’t you shut your stupid face, newb?


49 posted on 02/18/2012 6:46:31 PM PST by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: Flightdeck
"Who cares about how they fly their flag while Rome is burning?"

I do.....because one of the key reasons "Rome is burning" is precisely that; that people don't give a flying fiddler's shit about such things any more.

50 posted on 02/18/2012 6:50:36 PM PST by RightOnline
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