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GOVERNOR WRONG TO HAVE FLAG LOWERED TO HALF STAFF FOR CELEBRITIES
NJLawman.com---Police and Law Enforcement News ^ | 2-16-2012 | Editorial

Posted on 02/18/2012 5:40:00 PM PST by smoothsailing

GOVERNOR WRONG TO HAVE FLAG LOWERED TO HALF STAFF FOR CELEBRITIES

NJLawman.com-Police and Law Enforcement News

Thursday, February 16, 2012

Yesterday, New Jersey Governor Chris Christie ordered all New Jersey State and American flags to be lowered to half staff on Saturday in honor of Entertainer Whitney Houston who passed away this week.

Last year, the governor did the same for Clarence Clemmons, the saxophone player for the E Street Band.

In January, Pennsylvania Governor Tom Corbett ordered the state flag to half staff for three days in honor of Penn State Football Coach Joe Paterno when he passed.

We take great issue with this practice.

Ms. Houston and Mr. Clemmons are both children of our great state and were both wildly successful. Each has made a significant contribution to music, culture, and the arts, and both are deserving of many accolades.

But just as an American serviceman killed in Helmand Province, Afghanistan is not deserving of a Grammy award, musicians and celebrities are not deserving of the lowering of the American flag.

Simply, not everybody gets every honor.

There are few gestures as symbolic and as loud as an entire state lowering their flags at the same moment for the same amount of time.

Seeing a flag at the half staff position should spawn pause and thought. It should make one a bit unsettled but at the same time thankful. It should make one ask, "what happened?"

A flag at half staff gives publicity to courage and nobility otherwise only mildly publicized. For one day, it is an inescapable message announcing to an entire state that tragedy occurred and reminding everyone that the fruits of each free day come with a price.

Expanding this honor only diminishes its meaning and raises the question: where does it end?

Between Ms. Houston and Mr. Clemmons, entire rooms could be filled with the distinctions they have each received throughout their lives.

In the coming months and years they will continue to be given well deserved recognition for their accomplishments.

But there are certain honors that should and must be set aside.

Rifle salutes, aircraft flyovers, and half-staffed flags are among those honors and they should not be on the public menu.

It is eminently important that we protect the tributes that have become part of the military and public service fabric over the past two centuries. They are part of our tradition and should not be for sale at any price. They should not be available to take, and they should not be available to give.

The manner in which we lay the valorous when they fall helps define how we should carry ourselves while we live.

Lowering the flag to half staff should be reserved only for those who perish as a result of public duty and service, protecting our nation and the Constitution, and for those who served as formal leaders and dignitaries.

This practice must stop.

New Jersey Law Enforcement Magazine



TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: blunders; christie; halfstaff; oldglory
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To: smoothsailing

Am guessing, Ann Coulter will ‘reach deep’ and find words to justify Christie’s action.


51 posted on 02/18/2012 6:52:05 PM PST by cricket (. It is not just the economy. . .and Newt knows it. . .)
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To: RightOnline
I do.....because one of the key reasons "Rome is burning" is precisely that; that people don't give a flying fiddler's shit about such things any more.

AMEN!!!

52 posted on 02/18/2012 6:52:57 PM PST by jazusamo (Character assassination is just another form of voter fraud: Thomas Sowell)
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To: cloudmountain

It just shows how screwed up our priorities are. Will Whitney have some destroyer named after her?


53 posted on 02/18/2012 6:54:05 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: ptsal

I’m just curious what the official flag etiquette is on this? I can see where he would order state flags lowered, but I thought there was some sort of protocol for who could order the flags lowered and for whom.


54 posted on 02/18/2012 6:54:05 PM PST by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: muawiyah

Nobody wants the US flag lowered for a mouldering crack whore

Surprising isn’t it in this day and age. You would have thought we’d be so much more evolved.

Like you


55 posted on 02/18/2012 6:55:12 PM PST by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: jazusamo

It’s interesting the way posters have reacted on this thread.

I think people like former Weatherman William Ayres have made it pretty clear that you can disrespect and desecrate the American Flag. You can burn it, spit on it, throw it on the ground in the mud and stomp on it. You can fly it at half-mast for crooked politicians, disgraced former football coaches and pampered junkies.

Why anyone would want to do any of that is beyond me. In the end I suppose it’s really all about freedom. Freedom of expression and freedom not to give a damn.

In any event, the flag is still there. Long may she wave, Brother.


56 posted on 02/18/2012 6:57:43 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: ptsal
Mr. Christie is governor...He can do whatever he wants. Period. Move on to a real topic. Granted alot of people don't have any respect for the flag nor the country. Your post was timely as we were discussing people say when they cannot defend a position or make a contribution to a conversation. Right now my preference is " it is complicated" but yours is good too.
57 posted on 02/18/2012 7:03:03 PM PST by School of Rational Thought
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To: fight_truth_decay

Appreciate your post. Thank you for the reminders of her efforts on behalf of the Veterans.

“Governors of the several U.S. states or territories are authoried...to order U.S. and state flags flown at half-staff...for a state official or resident who has died.”


58 posted on 02/18/2012 7:06:52 PM PST by katieanna
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To: atc23
Read post #28

Then go to hell!

59 posted on 02/18/2012 7:07:08 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: smoothsailing
In any event, the flag is still there. Long may she wave, Brother.

Well said, my FRiend!

60 posted on 02/18/2012 7:11:10 PM PST by jazusamo (Character assassination is just another form of voter fraud: Thomas Sowell)
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To: cricket
Am guessing, Ann Coulter will ‘reach deep’ and find words to justify Christie’s action.

I can hear her now; "Wasn't Christie great! Mitt is so much like him!"

61 posted on 02/18/2012 7:12:06 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: 353FMG
Gov. Christie I guess will never understand what the flag is for.

He's just another political hack.

   Either Lead Follow Or Get The Hell Out Of The Way

62 posted on 02/18/2012 7:14:41 PM PST by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: conservativejoy
Having lost my son, who was my only child, in service to his country, I agree with that statement. We shouldn’t dilute that honor for pop culture celebrities.

I could not let that comment pass, without offering my thanks for raising a patriot, and for the sacrifice you have laid down on the altar of freedom. God bless you.

63 posted on 02/18/2012 7:16:47 PM PST by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom. We have ideas-the Dems only have ideology.)
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To: murron

*Only the president of the United States or the Governor of the state may order the flag to be at half-staff to honor the death of a national or state figure. In addition to the traditional half-staff salutes, the Flag Code mentions the use of our Flag for honoring leading citizens such as Martin Luther King, Jr.

See post #23


64 posted on 02/18/2012 7:20:28 PM PST by madison10
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To: ptsal

Perhaps the outcry over this decision will make him think twice next time.

It’s not the end of the world, but this honor should be reserved for more worthy recipients.


65 posted on 02/18/2012 7:24:14 PM PST by altura
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To: exit82

Thank you. I will be eternally grateful for the honor of being “Joshua’s mom”.


66 posted on 02/18/2012 7:25:55 PM PST by conservativejoy
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To: fight_truth_decay

Thanx for the post. FR is full of shoot-from-the-hip and thoughtless one-line posts that do not stand up to analysis. Posts like yours are refreshing. Well, at least the FReepers vote correctly.


67 posted on 02/18/2012 7:33:56 PM PST by sefarkas (Why vote Democrat Lite?)
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To: Allah AtBar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHmdu_I_0zI


68 posted on 02/18/2012 7:36:35 PM PST by stanne
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To: mazda77
Benedict Arnold ???? Houston is not BN...we live in the USA

She can ONLY be defined as a person that battled drugs, alcohol and so sought treatment for?

Is Rush identified only as a person who misused prescription drugs, used a housekeeper to score, but sought treatment via Rehab in NY? Bush abused alcohol and was arrested for driving under the influence. He admitted to substance abuse aka alcohol. Bush stopped drinking, he said in the late 80's and took up Bible study. Newt had a problem being faithful to his wives as did Clinton to Hillary and perhaps even Herman Cain as he has never disputed the last accusation. You can have addictions in many ways.

People can battle addictions, but that does not mean they do not do good for others from which society can benefit?

The Houston foundation as been in effect for over 10 years now and have benefited "the kids" At the Service for Ms Houston, charitable donations were given in lieu of flowers for "the kids".

Benedict Arnold--Now I have heard it all....GMAB~ then they all must be traitors under your definition thereof. She supported the Armed Forces, she was never vocal against our troops in the negative.

This was One State and a city-Newark remembered a famous of figure of their own. She is rated with Bill Cosby in the top 3 of Black celebrities who rose to the top highly established in their their respective careers.

As I stated the law in some states allows for a person outside of a fallen soldier, a government official etc to have the flag lowered to half staff in memory of a person who was from Newark, NJ.

Whitney singing the National Anthem is one of the best I have ever heard.

How many people here even fly a flag outside their home??

BA GMAB

69 posted on 02/18/2012 7:44:10 PM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: muawiyah
i have no jealousy for her and made no comment on her life style, drug and alcohol abuse or the thing she was married to, it's simply the way i was raised, to follow the rules of flag etiquette...

"BTW, I've saved several lives from certain death over the years. Did heroic work to save them."
not quite sure how that fits the discussion but congratulations

"They regularly lower flags for people with fewer accomplishments ~ administrative types in fact."
the fact that the flag has been lowered for people "with fewer accomplishments" doesn't make it right for them, or her

like i said i have no problem with him lowering the state flag but please read post #10, celebrities are not mentioned...

FReegards

70 posted on 02/18/2012 7:45:44 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: fight_truth_decay

You missed the point which was the last line professor.


71 posted on 02/18/2012 7:48:10 PM PST by mazda77 (and I am a Native Texan)
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To: atc23; ptsal

A FReeper with a 1999 sign up date is a newb in your book?


72 posted on 02/18/2012 7:49:10 PM PST by bobby.223 (Retired up in the snowy mountains of the American Redoubt and it doesn't get any better than that!)
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To: smoothsailing
thank you...
73 posted on 02/18/2012 7:50:41 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: sefarkas
Thankx, at first I thought I had another hit piece on me..but recovered ..check the Benedict Arnold comparison just above us I answered. #69

I find most posters have another agenda in mind--dislike, perhaps in this case, Gov Christie, just a hunch.

Everything becomes so damn political.

Have a good weekend.

74 posted on 02/18/2012 7:52:32 PM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: bigbob
LOL, with the second Gov. Cuomo in my lifetime, believe me, i feel your pain...
75 posted on 02/18/2012 7:54:44 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: napscoordinator

FWIW, I think neither Frank nor Bruce should be honored in such a way.

Honorable men, no doubt, in their own ways. But such honor should be reserved for those who have dedicated their lives to specifically public service, not those who managed to be a big success in private fields.

Bill Gates and George Lucas both made lots of money. And they’re deserving of every penny. Doesn’t make them deserving of flags lowered to half staff.


76 posted on 02/18/2012 7:56:51 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Chode

Always a pleasure, Chode. :)


77 posted on 02/18/2012 7:56:51 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: napscoordinator

Naps...another voice of reason heard from.:)


78 posted on 02/18/2012 7:56:51 PM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: YankeeReb

“I believe Gov Crispy Cream did the same thing when Clarence Clemens of the E Street Band died.”


Tell me you are joking. Please !!!!!!


79 posted on 02/18/2012 7:57:51 PM PST by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: Chode

Post #28 ~ she sounds like a contributor.


80 posted on 02/18/2012 8:01:46 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: cloudmountain
The United States has become a place where entertainers and professional athletes are mistaken for people of importance. — Robert Heinlein
81 posted on 02/18/2012 8:03:07 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (For what do we live, but to make sport for our neighbours, and laugh at them in our turn? -Mr Bennet)
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To: cloudmountain
The Anerican Flag waves over us all, all walks of life, religions, all stations in life.

Cherished by All Americans, freedom of speech, freedom of religion,
Freedom for want, and freedom from fear.
I pledge allegiance, to the flag of the United States
of America.
And to the religion, for which it stands,
one nation under God.
Indivisible, with liberty and justice for All.

ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1QmeEdFOSc&feature=related presented by a military family.

82 posted on 02/18/2012 8:06:59 PM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: smoothsailing

People don’t think drug addicts should be honored by the state?


83 posted on 02/18/2012 8:07:20 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: smoothsailing

Amen!


84 posted on 02/18/2012 8:12:42 PM PST by Sunshine Sister
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To: madison10
Thanks for your post which should end this argument! Frankly, the naming of the ship for Gabrielle Giffords upsets and offends me MUCH more. At least Governor Christie chose to TEMPORARILY acknowledge the death of a prominent citizen of the state of New Jersey. That ship was PERMANENTLY named for a woman whose name was unknown outside the state of Arizona until she had the misfortune to be shot by a mentally incompetent man!
85 posted on 02/18/2012 8:14:45 PM PST by srmorton (Deut. 30 19: "..I have set before you life and death,....therefore, choose life..")
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To: madison10
Thanks for your post which should end this argument! Frankly, the naming of the ship for Gabrielle Giffords upsets and offends me MUCH more. At least Governor Christie chose to TEMPORARILY acknowledge the death of a prominent citizen of the state of New Jersey. That ship was PERMANENTLY named for a woman whose name was unknown outside the state of Arizona until she had the misfortune to be shot by a mentally incompetent man!
86 posted on 02/18/2012 8:15:02 PM PST by srmorton (Deut. 30 19: "..I have set before you life and death,....therefore, choose life..")
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To: ptsal

Makes him sound like a real good candidate for President from the republican party. ann coulter would vote for him...idiot


87 posted on 02/18/2012 8:15:50 PM PST by goat granny
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To: smoothsailing

Talk about cheapening the symbolism of flags at half-mast.


88 posted on 02/18/2012 8:19:02 PM PST by chessplayer
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To: srmorton

LOL I had the same reaction to the ship naming...what the heck?! Giffords didn’t DO anything.

At least Whitney did a fantastic job singing the National Anthem.


89 posted on 02/18/2012 8:30:46 PM PST by madison10
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To: fight_truth_decay
Thank you for your posts. It is truly disgusting to see some people on various threads trash Whitney Houston for her own personal problems.

As you said, people need to "give it a rest." She is in God's hands now. Show respect to her family. Let her rest in peace.

90 posted on 02/18/2012 9:22:00 PM PST by World'sGoneInsane (Visit www.Newt.org--People will make the difference!)
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To: World'sGoneInsane; madison10

She did a lot for morale.

AFN (Armed Forces Network) played it at the close every night - just the audio,with a picture of the flag.

That’s about 30,000 troops (guessing) and their families. No complaints I am aware of.


91 posted on 02/18/2012 9:41:56 PM PST by stanne
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To: ptsal
Not being a fan of Christie... face it... Mr. Christie is governor...He can do whatever he wants. Period. Move on to a real topic.

And as the erosion of patriotism increases, as people stop caring about the twisting and bastardization of the tenets that made America great and relegate disparagement of the symbol of the Nation for a drug-addicted "star", the days of a free and great America enter even deeper in it's ugly decline.

92 posted on 02/19/2012 3:55:38 AM PST by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: conservativejoy

So very sorry for your loss....God Bless You.


93 posted on 02/19/2012 4:44:36 AM PST by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: muawiyah
It's a States'-rights issue. There is no National Canon of Obsequies and Solemnities .... we aren't constituted that way. If New Jersey wants to hold pari-mutuel horse races to celebrate the solstices, that's their business.
94 posted on 02/19/2012 4:48:11 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: bigbob

You don’t need to remind me the words of my favorite song, or of the sacrifice it brings to mind. I stand by my statement.


95 posted on 02/19/2012 5:44:24 AM PST by Flightdeck (If you hear me yell "Eject, Eject, Eject!" the last two will be echos...)
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To: Mears
Tell me you are joking. Please !!!!!!

Sadly, I'm not. While Gov Crispy Cream is good compared to what we usually get in the North East he's by no means a conservative. That's why I don't get Ann Coulter's gushing over him.

96 posted on 02/19/2012 6:06:35 AM PST by YankeeReb
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To: ptsal
Not being a fan of Christie... face it... Mr. Christie is governor...He can do whatever he wants. Period. Move on to a real topic.

Christie is a politician, and was in a no-win situation. If he refused to lower the flag for a black celebrity, he would have been accused of racism and Sharpton's crowd would have had yet another thing to march about.

97 posted on 02/19/2012 6:12:32 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: smoothsailing

Maybe Christie is trying to prove that he isn’t a racist. Two celebrities - both black????


98 posted on 02/19/2012 6:13:13 AM PST by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: smoothsailing
Yes and her infatuation with Christie is nothing short of. . .strange. It has certainly tainted her thinking per critical, political realities.

No matter what turn Ann takes after this; will not be listening or watching - much less, buying. . .

99 posted on 02/19/2012 6:59:53 AM PST by cricket (. It is not just the economy. . .and Newt knows it. . .)
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To: fight_truth_decay
How many people here even fly a flag outside their home??

How many people fly a flag outside their home that is a school or 'sports team' - but never fly, an American flag?

Not that it matters; no sense challenging someone's patriotism because of their position on Christie' decision - or whether they fly a flag or not.

(So; whatever. . .this poster does not agree with Christie's decision; and does fly daily; an America flag outside home.)

100 posted on 02/19/2012 7:19:48 AM PST by cricket (. It is not just the economy. . .and Newt knows it. . .)
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