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McD: Donít pack heat in national parks
seattlepi.com ^ | 17 February, 2012 | Joel Connelly

Posted on 02/19/2012 8:06:35 AM PST by marktwain

In a display of defiance at the U.S. Capitol’s governing gun lobby, Rep. Jim McDermott, D-Wash., and eight colleagues have introduced legislation to reinstate a ban on carrying loaded firearms in America’s national parks.

The legislation was prompted by January’s murder of Mt. Rainier National Park ranger Margaret Anderson. Anderson was shot as she set up a road block for a car that didn’t stop at a chain-up checkpoint.

By Joe Sebille“The dreadful and deeply saddening event that occurred on Mt. Rainier makes me question why on earth people should be allowed to carry loaded weapons in our national parks,” said McDermott.

It became illegal to pack heat in national parks in the early 1980′s under the Reagan Administration.

The gun ban was overturned in 2009. Senate Republicans attached a pack-heat provision to legislation designed to control excesses and hidden fees charged by credit card companies.

Rep. Norm Dicks, D-Wash., is cosponsoring the legislation along with House members from California, New York and Virginia.

Advocates for loaded guns have cited such dangers as encounters with grizzly bears in the back country of national parks in the Rockies and Alaska. In response, an association of National Park Service retirees has argued that statistically there is a greater chance that visitors will be struck by lightning than mauled by a bruin.

“Millions of families visit our national park historic sites and monuments every year to see our nationally protected sanctuaries and learn about our nation’s history,” said McDermott. “Why anyone should need or be allowed to carry a loaded firearm in our national parks simply doesn’t occur to me.”


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: banglist; colddeadhands; constitution; democrats; donttreadonme; gun; guncontrol; liberalfascism; liberals; park; shallnotbeinfringed; sicsempertyrannis
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He wants to restrict a constitutional right because he does not like people to exercise it? I do not see any other reason given.
1 posted on 02/19/2012 8:06:46 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Washington state has become another broodery of leftist lunatics.


2 posted on 02/19/2012 8:10:58 AM PST by ZULU (LIBERATE HAGIA SOPHIA!!!!!)
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To: marktwain

Yep, McD, let’s deprived everyone of their constitutionally guaranteed rights because of one nut job.

Kind of like speed bumps: Let’s punish everyone for the actions of a few, rather than spend the energy to intercept and punish the guilty.

So much easier. Who cares if we abuse the rights of everyone else in the process?


3 posted on 02/19/2012 8:12:19 AM PST by Tigerized ("..and whack 'em, and whack 'em, and whack 'em!' cried the Toad in ecstasy." (also my 2012 strategy))
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To: marktwain

why on earth people should be allowed to carry loaded weapons in our national parks?

To protect themselves from the people who WILL carry guns in the parks whether there is a ban or NOT and even more so if there is a ban, Adolf.

Yes, protect the killers, Adolf.


4 posted on 02/19/2012 8:13:41 AM PST by TribalPrincess2U (NOT VOTING gets 0bamao re-elected. 0bamao's ANTI-TRUTH & SPIN TEAM is again on the move.)
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To: marktwain

But let’s have the ATF arm the Mexican cartels and murder US Agents.

Why don’t you aim your laser focus at that, McDermott?


5 posted on 02/19/2012 8:14:12 AM PST by IncPen (Educating Barack Obama has been the most expensive project in human history)
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To: marktwain

And exactly how would such a law prevent what happened on Mt. Rainier?


6 posted on 02/19/2012 8:15:43 AM PST by jimbobfoster
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To: marktwain
Jim McDermott is the Democrat puke involved in taping private phone conversations by Newt Gingrich.

He doesn't care one way or the other about the Constitution, nor of privacy, security, safety ~ or whatever.

He's into this for personal political advertising purposes. Nothing more than that.

7 posted on 02/19/2012 8:16:34 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: marktwain
The dreadful and deeply saddening event that occurred on Mt. Rainier makes me question why on earth people should be allowed to carry loaded weapons in our national parks

Because it is our Constitutional right. No ban will ever stop criminal activity and it is his sick unhinged mentality that is destroying America.

8 posted on 02/19/2012 8:17:21 AM PST by Logical me
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To: marktwain

He is a liberal democrat - it’s what they do.


9 posted on 02/19/2012 8:18:09 AM PST by WorkerbeeCitizen (I STAND WITH ISRAEL)
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To: Tigerized

A greater chance of being struck by lightning then being mauled by a bruin would be an OK excuse except for the fact that people are struck by lightning.
I’m not going to stay at home when it’s raining out and I’m packing heat if I go hiking. No fed is going to tell me that I don’t have a 2nd amendment
right


10 posted on 02/19/2012 8:18:09 AM PST by South Dakota (shut up and drill)
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To: marktwain
The man is a total fool.

The reason carry should be allowed is so that they may protect themselves against person so evil they would murder in cold blood as was the case with the guard.

And because bad guys such as this murder will carry regardless of the law.

But there is no reasoning with a fool.

11 posted on 02/19/2012 8:18:29 AM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: marktwain

"Pardon my insolence, your excellency, but wasn't it illegal to commit murder before this happened?"
12 posted on 02/19/2012 8:19:26 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: marktwain

I’ve always carried in NPs. I just don’t flaunt it. My biggest fear is not bears, but those bipedal creatures.


13 posted on 02/19/2012 8:20:11 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I'm on Wi-Fi! Now what do I do without dialup?)
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To: Tigerized

Isn’t it sad how an elected representative can openly speak about limiting or removing constitutionally-guaranteed rights and nothing happens? Any government official who talks about taking away your rights should lose their job immediately.


14 posted on 02/19/2012 8:21:02 AM PST by bigdirty
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To: marktwain
All I heard was "Blah, Blah, Blah...I'm socialist trash!".

What did the rest of you hear?

15 posted on 02/19/2012 8:21:19 AM PST by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: Joe Brower; Squantos; Lion Den Dan; FreedomPoster

Exactly how would a gun ban have prevented that ranger from being shot? Someone who is willing to murder is sure not going to worry about a gun ban.


16 posted on 02/19/2012 8:21:19 AM PST by SLB (23rd Artillery Group, Republic of South Vietnam, Aug 1970 - Aug 1971.)
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To: marktwain
"....makes me question why on earth people should be allowed to carry loaded weapons in our national parks"

Grizzly Bears. I had a friend who was et by one on US parkland.

17 posted on 02/19/2012 8:21:44 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: marktwain
Who needs a gun for self protection when one roadside sign will cause criminals, bears and tyrants to make a U Turn before entering a national park.

Left Coast Dems ignore The Bill of Rights, for one twenty second sound bite.

18 posted on 02/19/2012 8:24:49 AM PST by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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To: marktwain

No way I would go into a wilderness area without a weapon. You’re just asking for trouble (from the wildlife).


19 posted on 02/19/2012 8:26:23 AM PST by RoosterRedux (Go Newt!)
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To: Caipirabob

“What did the rest of you hear?”

I thought I heard some mumbling about knowing better than the Founders of this country.

It amazes me that this kind of thinking is accepted today. We’re fools if we think voting is going to solve this mess.


20 posted on 02/19/2012 8:27:22 AM PST by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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21 posted on 02/19/2012 8:27:34 AM PST by narses
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To: marktwain

This is the same treasonous piece of excrement that went to Iraq in 2002/2003 to defend Saddam Hussein.


22 posted on 02/19/2012 8:27:50 AM PST by MachIV
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To: marktwain
“The dreadful and deeply saddening event that occurred on Mt. Rainier makes me question why on earth people should be allowed to carry loaded weapons in our national parks,” said McDermott.

The dreadful and deeply saddening event that occurred when Charles Manson talked people into killing for him makes me question why on earth people should be allowed to have freedom of speech.

Same logic.

23 posted on 02/19/2012 8:28:59 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: marktwain

He thinks a national park is several acres of grass around a monument not several thousand sq. miles of forest.


24 posted on 02/19/2012 8:30:26 AM PST by SkyDancer ("No Matter How The People Vote There Will Always Be A Federal Judge To Over Turn It")
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To: marktwain

The shooter, who had already shot four people, flew through a checkpoint for *snow tires*, which is all there would have been even if there had been the old rule against guns in federal parks.

So this is an utterly meaningless effort, other than to restrict honest citizens from being armed.

Using McDermott’s weird logic, because Barney Frank’s boyfriend was running a gay prostitution ring in Frank’s basement, congressmen should be prohibited from having basements.


25 posted on 02/19/2012 8:30:36 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: marktwain

A national park is one of the smartest places to carry a gun, the isolation and the large carnivores running around make it prudent. Fortunately for the young college girls hiking in the woods most perverts are too lazy to hike out to trails where they are only protected by a thin layer of tent fabric at night with no locks. The bears unfortunately are already there.


26 posted on 02/19/2012 8:32:42 AM PST by dog breath
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To: Paladin2

Even before guns were allowed in the parks, in Denali you would be considered a fool if you were not carrying while hiking. By the park rangers!


27 posted on 02/19/2012 8:34:45 AM PST by Fred Hayek (FUBO, the No Talent Pop Star pResident.)
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To: marktwain
In a display of defiance at the U.S. Capitol’s governing gun lobby,...

lol

28 posted on 02/19/2012 8:35:32 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: marktwain
The dreadful and deeply saddening event that occurred on Mt. Rainier makes me question why on earth people should be allowed to carry loaded weapons in our national parks,” said McDermott.

To protect ourselves from nut jobs who want to kill us while we are visiting the parks, dumbass.

29 posted on 02/19/2012 8:36:33 AM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: TYVets

“Why anyone should need or be allowed to carry a loaded firearm in our national parks simply doesn’t occur to me.”

If you really are that f ing dumb, that you cannot conceive of a reason, let alone several valid ones, you need to retire. You are unfit for a position of responsibility and judgment.


30 posted on 02/19/2012 8:42:55 AM PST by 1malumprohibitum
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
Enemy action ping.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

31 posted on 02/19/2012 8:44:57 AM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Caipirabob

Sorry, Caipirabob, I was busy checkin’ out this problem with my Taurus .357. Camping in California with my little boy in a few weeks and damned if I’ll let a bear maul him as one almost did me in 1978. (Thanks Dad, my angel in Heaven.) What did you say about socialists and trash? I certainly know you have to hang ‘em both pretty high so the bears don’t get ‘em.


32 posted on 02/19/2012 8:47:45 AM PST by golux
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To: marktwain

“Rep. Norm Dicks, D-Wash., is cosponsoring the legislation”

Fitting name.


33 posted on 02/19/2012 8:47:55 AM PST by jospehm20
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To: marktwain

All Marxists, once in power abhor an armed citizenry.


34 posted on 02/19/2012 8:50:14 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: 1malumprohibitum

“Why anyone should need or be allowed to carry a loaded firearm in our national parks simply doesn’t occur to me.”

How about , because you turds and the environmentalists introduced wolves back into nature and they are known killers.


35 posted on 02/19/2012 8:51:34 AM PST by Venturer
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'It became illegal to pack heat in national parks in the early 1980′s under the Reagan Administration. '

Anyone know why?

36 posted on 02/19/2012 8:52:14 AM PST by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: marktwain
So the serial killer who killed the ranger wouldn't have taken a firearm into the national park if there were a law against it?

Seriously?

37 posted on 02/19/2012 8:53:48 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the fascists.)
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To: jimbobfoster
And exactly how would such a law prevent what happened on Mt. Rainier?

Well, obviously the murdering thug would have been aware of the law preventing the carry of firearms in national parks and left his weapon at home out of fear of the law! Duh!!

38 posted on 02/19/2012 8:58:39 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: marktwain

Does joker Jim expect us to believe a ban would have stopped this shooter?


39 posted on 02/19/2012 9:00:14 AM PST by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: marktwain
He wants to restrict a constitutional right because he does not like people to exercise it? I do not see any other reason given.

Exactly. And we, the citizens, his employers and superiors, don't need to "need" a certain right nor are we to be required to convince him of our "need" in order to have that right. We already have the right.

40 posted on 02/19/2012 9:01:42 AM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: facedown

http://soundpolitics.com/archives/014761.html

He sounds like a Kathleen Whatshername CINO.


41 posted on 02/19/2012 9:01:46 AM PST by tumblindice ( That's just my opening statement)
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To: marktwain
How about we “ban” McDermott.

He looks like the biggest danger here.

Is this guy “Baghdad Jim”?

42 posted on 02/19/2012 9:02:17 AM PST by hummingbird (Why DID they call him Bat, Bat Masterson?)
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To: marktwain
The proper response would be to transport the sponsors of this legislation 50 miles into Denali and then have them walk out, without phones or firearms.

To demonstrate the feasibility, of course.

43 posted on 02/19/2012 9:02:36 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: golux

“What did you say about socialists and trash? I certainly know you have to hang ‘em both pretty high so the bears don’t get ‘em.”

Why would one not want to allow the bears to get to the socialists?

Just askin’.


44 posted on 02/19/2012 9:05:29 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: EGPWS
The dreadful and deeply saddening event that occurred on Mt. Rainier makes me question why on earth people should be allowed to carry loaded weapons in our national parks,” said McDermott. How about To protect PARK RANGERS from nut jobs who want to kill THEM, F'TARD!
45 posted on 02/19/2012 9:05:41 AM PST by golux
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To: bigdirty

AGREE!


46 posted on 02/19/2012 9:07:37 AM PST by hummingbird (Why DID they call him Bat, Bat Masterson?)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

The next move should they manage to get this passed would be random TSA screenings upon entering NPs, followed by mandatory screenings.


47 posted on 02/19/2012 9:07:53 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: MachIV
I had a vague memory that this guy was one of three who went. Was Daschle one also?
48 posted on 02/19/2012 9:11:37 AM PST by hummingbird (Why DID they call him Bat, Bat Masterson?)
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To: golux
What did you say about socialists and trash? I certainly know you have to hang ‘em both pretty high so the bears don’t get ‘em.

Why would you worry about protecting socialists from being eaten by bears? Are you afraid it might give the bears indigestion or that it might create a strain of socialist bears?

49 posted on 02/19/2012 9:12:03 AM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: SLB

Logic is not a part of the Liberal mind.


50 posted on 02/19/2012 9:12:34 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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