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US, Britain urge Israel not to attack Iran
AP via MSNBC ^ | February 19, 2012 | JOSEF FEDERMAN

Posted on 02/19/2012 5:33:17 PM PST by John W

JERUSALEM — The U.S. and Britain on Sunday urged Israel not to attack Iran's nuclear program as the White House's national security adviser arrived in the region, reflecting growing international jitters that the Israelis are poised to strike.

In their warnings, both the U.S. joint chiefs of staff, Gen. Martin Dempsey, and British Foreign Minister William Hague said an Israeli attack on Iran would have grave consequences for the entire region and urged Israel to give international sanctions against Iran more time to work. Dempsey said an Israeli attack is "not prudent," and Hague said it would not be "a wise thing."

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To: DNA.2012
go get koolaid
51 posted on 02/19/2012 8:03:55 PM PST by QQQQ
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To: QQQQ

You drank it all.


52 posted on 02/19/2012 8:11:19 PM PST by DNA.2012
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To: SJackson

Who’s urging Iran not to attack Israel?


53 posted on 02/19/2012 9:15:52 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: allendale

Sorry. Bibi is not the leader of the Jewish people, secular or otherwise. He’s an elected official of the Israeli government, and not a very good one at that.


54 posted on 02/19/2012 9:31:21 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: DNA.2012

Buy a clue.

Israel cannot afford to let Iran strike first with a nuclear weapon. With all of the rhetoric coming out of that country over the last several decades, there is no reason to believe that Iran is interested in Detente.

If it comes down to it, Israel would be wise to cripple Iran’s nuclear program, even if that means all out war. Civilian casualties are unfortunate, but a fact of war.

If the Iranian civilians cannot control their government, they are going to get exactly what they deserve. I would say the same for any country, including our own.

If given the choice between a city in the U.S. being hit by an Iranian nuke or eradicating the country of Iran from the face of the planet, I would not hesitate to do the latter. I may regret having to perform the action, but I would not think twice about it and I would lose no sleep over it.

Fortunately, life is rarely so “black and white”, and all of this talk is nothing more than talk, IMO, as Israel will most likely never have the fortitude to strike Iran first with the current political climate surrounding her so called “allies”.


55 posted on 02/19/2012 9:33:57 PM PST by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Eleutheria5
Sorry. Bibi is not the leader of the Jewish people, secular or otherwise. He’s an elected official of the Israeli government, and not a very good one at that.

What do they use instead of oxygen on your planet?

56 posted on 02/19/2012 9:43:19 PM PST by Chunga (Ron Paul is a fruitcakey jackass.)
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To: Chunga

You mean, he’s the secular leader of the millions of Jews living in the Diaspora? Or do you mean he’s not the secular leader of the millions of Muslims, thousands of Christians and hundreds of Druze and Samaritans with Israeli citizenship?

Did the “secular leader” of the Jewish people repeatedly send Druze soldiers, policemen and bodyguards to do his dirty work, kicking Jewish families out into the cold in the middle of the night at Migron, Mitzpeh Avihai, Bat Ayin Bet, &c? He’s an elected political official of a Jewish country and all its citizens and residents, not a leader in any other sense of the Jewish people. And even in that capacity, he’s persistently betrayed the trust placed in him by Jewish voters who put his coalition in power, as he also did with reference to Hebron last time he was so entrusted.


57 posted on 02/19/2012 10:49:37 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Chunga

Should be border guards, not bodyguards.


58 posted on 02/19/2012 10:55:42 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: All

Israel is going to bomb Iran very soon to stop them moving their nuclear work deep into a mountain where Israel can’t reach it.

They will “never again” let their people be destroyed. There is going to be war in that region and our economy will go down the tubes, and gasoline will skyrocket causing our downfall. Got water and food?


59 posted on 02/19/2012 11:40:47 PM PST by Marcella ((Newt will smash Hussein in debates. Newt needs money.))
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To: DNA.2012
I care as much about the deaths of Iranian children as you do about the deaths of Jewish children when the nut jobs in Iran launch nukes against the Jews. By the way throw in the death of Iranian puppies and kitties that will result from a Jewish attack. The deaths of puppies and kitties make your babblings more poignant.(By the way I'm not a Jew!)
60 posted on 02/19/2012 11:52:14 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Longbow1969

What you say has a sound of truth to it.


61 posted on 02/19/2012 11:57:33 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
I do the promises of American politicians to move the US Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem.

That was another magic fence built by GW.

62 posted on 02/20/2012 12:06:23 AM PST by itsahoot (I will Vote for Palin, even if I have to write her in.(Brokered Convention Ya betcha))
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To: DNA.2012
To slaughter millions of innocent children in Iran is to become Islam-like.

Do you have any clue what war is? Do you not know what it took to win WW II?

63 posted on 02/20/2012 12:11:03 AM PST by itsahoot (I will Vote for Palin, even if I have to write her in.(Brokered Convention Ya betcha))
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To: Marcella
There is going to be war in that region and our economy will go down the tubes, and gasoline will skyrocket causing our downfall. Got water and food?

Yep; that is what is coming. I've been giving out the same advice for over two years, myself.
64 posted on 02/20/2012 3:05:44 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: John W
So, Israel turns the biggest state-sponsor of Islamic terrorism, Iran, into a 2,500 year, self-lighting, radioactive wasteland. What's the downside? Iran's neighbors will breathe a sigh of relief and the Muslim world will learn not to provoke the Israelis.

If the stupid Muslims still refuse to learn, I'm thinking that there are warheads left over that might help with the reeducation process.

65 posted on 02/20/2012 3:15:08 AM PST by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: John W

Bomb them back to the stone age!


66 posted on 02/20/2012 3:58:29 AM PST by GregB (I will follow Sarah where ever she goes!)
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To: Longbow1969

quite so.


67 posted on 02/20/2012 4:39:00 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: Pox; DNA.2012; All
I think you are in danger of misunderstanding each other.

Of course Israel cannot afford to let Iran acquire nuclear weapons. It would be utter suicide. I think everybody on these boards would agree with that, given the rhetoric that comes out of the mouths of the mad mullahs. If Iran acquires the bomb, or even looks like it is on the brink of doing so, Israel WILL attack. At the moment they are very aware that if they do that, they will be labelled the aggressor, and their worldwide image, which isn't great as it is, would plummet. (Yes I know this is illogical, given the activities of Hamas et al, but that's how these things work).

At the same time, the West cannot afford to let Iran have nuclear weapons either. It is not in our interests to see a full scale war in the region. Even if we could somehow persuade the Israelis not to attack, allowing Iran to get nuclear weapons would create a nuclear arms race in the region. Iraq would want nuclear weapons as well, Saudi Arabia certainly would, and the result would be a mini cold war in the entire middle east, with the exception that the various controls that were in force to prevent the US and the USSR from starting a full scale nuclear war would not exist. It's an horrific prospect.

So at the moment I think these actions by the US and UK are perfectly reasonable. The US and the EU have imposed a series of economic sanctions that must be biting the Iranians. That MIGHT be enough to persuade them to pull back from this nuclear development project, which will hopefully quieten everything down. I know that might not work, but we surely have to give it a chance. The alternative will be a preemptive strike by Israel that will lead directly to war, or an Iranian nuclear weapon that will lead inevitably to war, probably with Israel, possibly with other of the middle east powers.

And I would suggest those who wish nuclear destruction on others check their consciences. War may be inevitable. It might be justifiable. It might even be the wisest course of action, given the alternatives, but it is never the optimal solution. I'm not in any rush to kill large numbers of my fellow Human beings, particularly as there is a chance I might get killed myself. It might be neccesary to fight a war, but nobody in their right minds WANTS to fight one.

68 posted on 02/20/2012 5:08:16 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: DNA.2012
So you're perfectly fine with killing millions of innocent children in Iran.

Yes.

But only if I can dine on thier little charred bodies, afterwards.

69 posted on 02/20/2012 5:13:55 AM PST by Lazamataz (If you only think about a diet, only your brain loses weight.)
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To: U-238

You are correct. The desire is not really to let sanctions work but to allow fruition of covert operations in process.

The covert operations are being carried out by special forces of the Gulf States directed by Americans probably located in Qatar.

There is a high probability that the public face is a charade and there are parallel IDF operations as well


70 posted on 02/20/2012 5:23:13 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: Vanders9

You are correct. But there are a ton of folks on these boards who are playing too much Call of Duty...and they think it would be cool to kick some ass and turn it all to glass.

But that’s what freedom of speech is all about.


71 posted on 02/20/2012 5:37:42 AM PST by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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To: Vanders9

Recall if you will, that it was sanctions on Japan that provoked the attack on Pearl Harbor.

Provocation is likely to result in Iranian action to start what they will lose.


72 posted on 02/20/2012 5:43:19 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: U-238; All
19 posted on Sunday, February 19, 2012 8:01:12 PM by U-238: “We are already in a covert war. You cannot rush into battle.”

That is all too true.

I support Israel for both secular and religious reasons. We can work with many of the Arab governments, but Iran simply must be stopped.

One of the few good things the Wikileaker did is show Iran that despite what was being said publicly, even the Arab leaders were privately pleading with President Obama to let Israel strike Iran. The Wikileaker may have delayed war by a few years, but the only way to stop this upcoming war is for Israel to take out Iran's nuclear capabilities or for Iran to change its government.

It would be better to see the second option than the first, but we're going to get the first if the government doesn't change.

My guess is that the Iranians have decided that they can't work with a President Gingrich, President Santorum, or even President Romney, and have decided to push for all they can get over the next year, knowing that just as with 1981 when the Iranians gave back the American hostages on Inauguration Day, the game is up if a Republican gets elected. I was at Reagan's inauguration that year, and for many years I kept a copy of the old Washington Star with its headline on freeing the hostages, and I remember the reactions of Republicans flooding the city for the Inauguration.

Basically, Reagan had won the American-Iranian War of 1981 without having to fire a single shot.

If shots have to be fired to stop the Iranians this time, I'd much rather see the Israelis doing the fighting than us.

73 posted on 02/20/2012 7:06:28 AM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: Vermont Lt
You are correct. But there are a ton of folks on these boards who are playing too much Call of Duty...and they think it would be cool to kick some ass and turn it all to glass.

I might level-up if I attack Iran, and if I die, I can respawn my character.

74 posted on 02/20/2012 7:06:32 AM PST by Lazamataz (If you only think about a diet, only your brain loses weight.)
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To: bert
That makes it sound like the attack on Pearl Harbor was all the fault of the US! Japan and the US had actually been at loggerheads for some time. The sanctions brought things to a head, but the underlying reasons (who's head honcho in the Pacific) would have led to conflict sooner or later.

"Provocation" might possibly result in Iranian action, but I think we've reached the stage where inactivity is just going to mean Iran acquiring nuclear weapons, which will definitely lead to conflict. It's a chance against a certainty.

75 posted on 02/20/2012 7:48:43 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: darrellmaurina

yup. having 3 carrier task forces in the Arabian Sea won’t impress Iran unless they know in their heart of hearts that the CiC, Mr The One, will actually give the strike order.

I don’t belive that they believe he will. They realize that
a Pres Newt or Pres Sanctorum would do so.


76 posted on 02/20/2012 7:51:17 AM PST by RitchieAprile
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To: Lazamataz
I might level-up if I attack Iran, and if I die, I can respawn my character.

Yes, some no doubt subconsciously think that. Unfortunately in real life you can't respawn.

77 posted on 02/20/2012 7:54:07 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: Vanders9
Yes, some no doubt subconsciously think that. Unfortunately in real life you can't respawn.

I can.

But first I have to go through facehugger stage.

But the happy news is, the end result is THIS!


78 posted on 02/20/2012 8:13:08 AM PST by Lazamataz (If you only think about a diet, only your brain loses weight.)
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To: Vermont Lt

Very true - but I have freedom of speech to put an alternate viewpoint as well. I suspect people who think war is “cool” might change their minds when the body bags start coming home.


79 posted on 02/20/2012 8:22:24 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: elpadre

How about:
The US and Britain warn Iran that if they try to attack Israel the US and Britain will bomb them back to the stone ages.


Exactly. The object for the USA is to deter war, grow our economy, stock market and not get sucked into another very costly preemptive war. Mutual destruction worked for us with the Soviets.

This concept of major countries going out attacking other sovereign nations wily nily isn’t going to have a happy ending. It’s a lead up to WW3. Why do we give Israel billions that we don’t have, if it gives us no influence?


80 posted on 02/20/2012 8:27:15 AM PST by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: Jack Hammer
Why not simply ask all Israelis to commit suicide...

That's not going to happen. You've heard of the Samson Option?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

The Samson Option is a term used to describe Israel’s alleged deterrence strategy of massive retaliation with nuclear weapons as a “last resort” against nations whose military attacks threaten its existence, and possibly against other targets as well.[1]

81 posted on 02/20/2012 8:42:41 AM PST by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: John W

Breaking...

Real Americans urge Israel to flip 0 the bird and do whatever is necessary for her survival.


82 posted on 02/20/2012 10:06:58 AM PST by MichaelCorleone (Stop feeding the beast; spend money only with those who support traditional American values.)
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To: Vanders9

Nobody in their right mind would seek out war, but when the situation presents itself and there is no alternative outside of surrendering my freedom, I would put emotions behind me and take the appropriate course of action, even if it means millions of “innocents” will have to die.

That is the point I was trying to get across. If Iran has to be wiped off the face of the planet, so be it. I hope it doesn’t come down to it, but it seems to be inevitable (War in the ME with Iran as the focal point).

Sanctions will not deter the Iranians. Russia, and to a lesser extent China, have decided to help enable this situation in the Middle East, and their motives are neither benign nor wisely calculated, IMO.

This whole situation has a high probability of spiraling out of control when the dance starts.


83 posted on 02/20/2012 12:07:07 PM PST by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Pox

I don’t have any objection to any country destroying any missile sent its way.

My objection is twofold:

1. I don’t want Americans involved in an Israel-Iran war

2. There ARE innocent little ones with the misfortune of living in Iran, and those who embrace the video games view of “yeah, let’s turn all of Iran into a flaming pit!” are voluntarily selling their souls on a very unholy altar.


84 posted on 02/20/2012 12:43:10 PM PST by DNA.2012
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To: DNA.2012
Life isn't fair, and we're all targets of ICBM’s no matter who you are or where you live.

Destroying a missile coming your way isn't going to be enough. Annihilating an aggressor is my preferred response to such an attack, and if it includes innocents that is regrettable, but perhaps unavoidable.

Israel is an ally, and when Iran starts the dance, I absolutely want America to join the fight. To leave Israel on its own in such a situation would be wrong, period.

If Israel is nuked, I would have no problem ordering all of the major cities in Iran nuked in retaliation.

Let's hope this does not come to pass.

85 posted on 02/20/2012 1:05:17 PM PST by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: apoliticalone
From the Wikipedia article:

"We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under."

That quote speaks for itself.

86 posted on 02/20/2012 1:31:34 PM PST by DNA.2012
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To: DNA.2012

To be honest this run up to another war; the fact that it puts such irrational beliefs on the front burner; and creates the potential that the outcome could cause the destruction of humankind; should concern every member of the human race and of every country.

Those who are permitted to possess nukes must possess first of all, an empathy and understanding and overriding responsibility to all of humankind, and not just to the desires of their own nation. The destruction of the world is bigger than the destruction of any nation.

If a single nation does not grasp that our global society, Mother Nature, the Earth, and survival of all of humanity must supersede the irrational whims of any single nation, that nation should not legitimately possess nukes. This is not about politics or other beliefs, it is about the survival of humankind.


87 posted on 02/20/2012 5:50:32 PM PST by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: John W

We have three problems when it comes to war.

1. Too many Americans have never served. That’s because we have a volunteer military and only they and their families sacrifice.

2. Americans don’t pay for war either, except as an abstract complaint that our debt is too great.

3. Hollywood video games make war sound like fun just as intended.

We need to focus, reduce our debt, rebuild the USA, and tell other countries to deal with their own problems and sacrifice their own and as George Washington said - eliminate entangling alliances.

Americans have been sacrificing for 10 years and it is more than enough. If Israel wants to sacrifice their citizens and IDF then go for it. I do not support the USA getting involved period. If Israel goes nuts and nukes and destroys the world’s oil supply, then they will face the massive consequences of negative USA and world public opinion as they should. Owning nukes means having responsibility and not a hair trigger.


88 posted on 02/20/2012 6:04:19 PM PST by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: apoliticalone

And, if Iran obtains nuclear weapon capability, then what?


89 posted on 02/20/2012 6:50:20 PM PST by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: DNA.2012

It would be nice if the Iranian people rose up and replaced the Islamist regime, but they have not. It would be nice if the Islamist regime in Tehran stopped developing nukes, but they have not. The question then is will the west pre-empt and Iranian nuclear attack, or will we turn Iran to glass after an Israeli or American city is nuked. Preventing an Iranian bomb will cost a few hundred civilian lives to save millions. Those seeking peace at all cost are no getter than genocidal loons, just stuck in a different pathology.


90 posted on 02/21/2012 12:47:01 AM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: DNA.2012

You do know that Iran wants to destroy the “Great Satan”, American, right? Thus Israel’s fight is our fight.


91 posted on 02/21/2012 12:50:38 AM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: apoliticalone
Every argument you just made was reason to prevent an Iranian bomb.

As for your next post, why would Israel nuke the worlds oil supply? What planet do you live on?

92 posted on 02/21/2012 12:53:29 AM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: Pox
Well I concur, except I dont deny there are innocents out there who will suffer if this spirals out of control. But this, alas, is the way of this fallen world. Rather than deny their existence, I simply assert that as far as I am concerned, the blood of those innocents will be on the hands of those in Iran who are pursuing this stupid course of action. After all they must know where it will lead to. Israel cannot allow a nuclear armed Iran.

I'm more hopeful that sanctions will work, although I know that the support from Russia and China makes it a great deal less likely. Or, as has been suggested elsewhere on this thread, sanctions and negotiations might spin things out a bit longer, more time for the covert action combat teams of the world to take out the Iranian nuclear potential. That's not as good as a peaceful settlement, but anything that works.

93 posted on 02/21/2012 5:21:22 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: John W

The White House is not being shelled on a daily basis.

Neither is the British Parliment.


94 posted on 02/21/2012 10:53:08 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: John W

The White House is not being shelled on a daily basis.

Neither is the British Parliment.


95 posted on 02/21/2012 10:54:10 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: John W

The White House is not being shelled on a daily basis.

Neither is the British Parliment.


96 posted on 02/21/2012 10:54:23 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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