Posted on 02/20/2012 4:56:52 PM PST by BarnacleCenturion
Rick Santorum's claim that the Netherlands advocates mass murder through involuntary euthanasia has prompted a furious backlash from the Western European country, with local news sources calling the Republican a "crazy extreme" candidate making up facts to stir up his political base.
"Rick Santorum Thinks He Knows the Netherlands: Murder of the Elderly on a Grand Scale" fumed the headline of the newspaper NRC Handelsblad on Saturday.
The article references an interview, barely played up by the American press, in which Santorum claims that euthanasia makes up "10 percent of all deaths" in the Netherlands," and that many of those people were essentially murdered by the state.
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The Emperor’s New Clothes. It’s not just a children’s story.
Now if you don't support Sanitarium you support involuntary euthanasia. Get it?
I wasn’t anti anybody...but that is changing.
Santorum doesn’t have what it takes and he doesn’t ‘get it’.
Gingrich keeps hammering at current issues that are happening daily.
I understand you've never visited it. It's a wonderful tourist place to see: Amsterdam, Hague, Delft. Been there, saw them all.
But don't worry, no one will put a gun to your head to visit Netherland.
Good points.
Imagine that, dead bodies, right in the home!
My great grandfather had a small infant graveyard next to his house where close family members who had an infant die would bury their child.
Mexicans, God bless them, hold picnics in graveyards!
Santorum and all his followers are all the same. Believe as they do or you are toilette scum.
Personal attacks are their hallmark. They have only the severe lever of moral superiority.
They're the people you endeavor to avoid in your day to day life.
I really am trying to follow you in your last post.
The electric car didn’t bankrupt us. If the Dems where in such a frenzy about throwing our money away the electric car “could” have been a GREAT DREAM.
And the Choo choo’s as you called them ;) are what brought us to the west, for real, and made this country able to expand.
(and there were those calling the idea outrageous at the time)
Newt also talked about the “Wright Brothers” and the Airplane, they had a HUGE DREAM and had many failures, people called them ‘strange’ too. But look what we have today!!!
The point and you actually said it...
We can still think big.
THAT was Newt Gingrich’s point. Obama does not inspire us to think Big when he has shown over and over how much he hates this country.
THAT is where Newt was showing us the difference between him and the big “O”.
The Media, Romney took “the Moon” out of context, completely. BUT Hey! That is what they do!
Now they don’t want Newt Gingrich to debate because they KNOW he will Kick their ARSE!
Then he gave GM and a cashbonus to the UAW ~ again, not much of a message to yout' who are not union members, nor even eligible to be in a union (most of them have closed entry to unemployed people).
The Republican response has been much more positive. Every candidate has said something about it, and Newt has a solid plan ~ Mitt less so.
Right now the battle is for Republican votes ~ not Democrat votes.
By Mid-summer Republicans will all be campaigning with a unified JOBS script.
NO,
“Now if you don’t support Sanitarium you support involuntary euthanasia. Get it? “
Wrong.
Yes, it has. According to the Remmelick Report, 8% of patients were euthanized in the Netherlands.
They own this horror. Why are they screaming about it?
Yes, it has. According to the Remmelick Report, 8% of patients were euthanized in the Netherlands.
They own this horror. Why are they screaming about it?
You mean like when a son gives his father that one last boost of morphine and his father lies wasting away from Pancreatic Cancer? When he's delirious and begging to die? 94lbs a p!ssing black tar into a tube?
Is that euthanasia too? Or is it just plain murder to these folks?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2848393/posts ~ Euthanasia is an issue in current French Presidential Race. It is apparently something the big dogs there see as having vote getting value! They will be using Nederland as a bad example ~ both sides of the issue in fact.
No, most of the Dutch are in Michigan — the “Pennsylvania Dutch” are more of German (Deutsch) decent.
Apparently the voters didn’t get it because he didn’t win Florida.
I am aware that Romney fights dirty. He has the money to keep it up too. There are things I like about Newt. When he says something that I agree with I am not going to slam him.
Same should be done for Santorum. it is far easier to agree as a conservative that euthanasia is a bad thing than to try to slam the guy for making a point in favor of life. I would assume Newt would agree with him on that as he is a Catholic.
In the end, it will be one of these guys and hopefully not Romney. All this sniping at both of them for not being the other guy is going to take them both out.
Was the man born with his foot in his mouth or is it an acquired talent. Geez could we pick a worse candidate to run against OBama in a year dominated by horrible economic issues. Let’s nominate Saint Rick and then run a completely crazy, over the top social issues campaign. That should win us maybe 2-3 states. The OBama people must feel they are the luckiest people in the world. Their two most likely opponents are either the liberal, architect of Obamoney Care or a sanctimonious twit who doesn’t engage his brain before opening his mouth. Sometimes it’s better to be lucky than good and right now OBama looks pretty lucky.
On one point your are mistaken. Dr. Ezekiel Emmanuel is one of the few bioethicists out there arguing AGAINST the "life without life" (Groningen Protocol) being adopted here in the US.
I know Glenn Beck went on a tear over this guy two years ago. Dr. Emmanuel was given a set of parameters for a proposed report, and created that useful life chart. Glenn's reporting overlooked the fact that he didn't advocate for it - but went 100% against it. That was some selective editing on Glenn's part and overlooked the majority of Emmanuel's work advocating FOR LIFE.
Like the Newt Gingrinch "death bed divorce," years later the misinformation remains in the public mind.
On one point your are mistaken. Dr. Ezekiel Emmanuel is one of the few bioethicists out there arguing AGAINST the "life without life" (Groningen Protocol) being adopted here in the US.
I know Glenn Beck went on a tear over this guy two years ago. Dr. Emmanuel was given a set of parameters for a proposed report, and created that useful life chart. Glenn's reporting overlooked the fact that he didn't advocate for it - but went 100% against it. That was some selective editing on Glenn's part and overlooked the majority of Emmanuel's work advocating FOR LIFE.
Like the Newt Gingrinch "death bed divorce," years later the misinformation remains in the public mind.
So... you’ve never been to a wake or an open casket funeral?
Nothing fundamentally different about what Rick did when his family lost a child.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/8466996/Fearful-elderly-people-carry-anti-euthanasia-cards.html ~ the assisted suicide debate in United Kingdom was underway at the time this article was published. The thing is EUTHANASIA is not Assisted Suicide. Nederland has 2700+ ACTS OF EUTHANASIA ~ which is where your doctor or nurse just flat out kills you like an animal. They had 21 cases of EUTHANASIA that didn’t involve any sort of permission, implied or otherwise last year. Don’t try to trick us by confounding Suicide, Assisted Suicide, Euthanasia, Involuntary Euthanasia and Murder when reporting these statistics.
HOW is relevant to the present Republican nomination campaign in America what's happening in far away Netherlands?
FYI, here's a journalistic scoop: Santorum is not running either for Pope or for president of Netherland!
I have yet to hear him presenting his plans for redressing the economy and create jobs in America.
This problem has been brought up in the French Presidential race as well.
NOW we are on the same page! And I agree with you!
Why do some posters feel it is necessary to call other Good Freepers “Liberals, baby killers, and for killing the elderly” because they are not voting for “their guy”.
That kind of thing causes people to not want to vote for that “guy” later because of the hard feelings being created.
And I think there are real “trolls” that show up to cause discord. (not saying anyone on this thread is one.)
I have read one TODAY though, on another thread, that I am sure was doing that exact thing.
Be Sure, dforest, I am willing to share my point of view and do my very best not to “Bite” the person communicating to me.
Google the Groningen Protocol, which outlines the steps for purposefully withholding treatment from newborns and preemies to ensure their demise.
In short, Santorum was correct.
I’m not going to start a war on numbers.
Whatever you say, whatever Santorum says, it has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the primary campaign. Rick is going crazy, that’s all I see.
Young folks don’t vote.
The Tampa Campus of the Univ. of South Florida has over 1100 registered voters.
Fewer than 20 voted in the midterm elections.
That's what this is about ~ not assisted suicide ~ but the case where the doctor does the killing.
BTW, never, ever trust anyone to treat you who ever practiced in Nederland or Belgium. Supposedly only 66% of their physicians refuse to kill people ~ which means the odds are real good the Nelanderishe Physician treating you might well murder you.
67% of Doctors here in the US are now finding the Groningen Protocol an acceptable standard for determining patient care.
But, hey, since you don't care, just pray that you don't get sick.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2849048/posts
Ok Outlaw woman. This is why I think having morals is important. This is in England but it happens ALL THE TIME in America too. I just will not support a candidate who does not speak out against the evils of the devil. I just won’t. Social issues are EXTREMELY important. Santorum is fine in his economics but his social issues are superior and that is gratifying in todays cess pool.
“Actually the assisted suicide cases represent 1.2% of all deaths in Netherlands
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_in_the_Netherlands";
Yes, and unemployment is 8.3 % and Obama is going to cut the deficit in half and the Stimulus created 300 billion jobs.
You believe everything you find on FactCheck and Wikipedia?
You think the Dutch government would admit that 10% of the deaths are euthanasia? If the Dutch government admits 1.2 % you can be darn sure the real amount is much higher.
My guess is that a qualifier was missing — 10% of hospital deaths, perhaps. Santorum may have goofed but not in any significant way. That the Dutch are angry at him only indicates who much they’ve invested in lying to themselves about how principled and limited their euthanasia program really is.
Santorum probably was basing himself on an estimate by pro-life analysts trying to get to the real number through the fog of Dutch government stats.
You have a mess there. No rational human being should visit the place.
What's going on is you make it look pretty and peaceful, but lurking beneath the polite exterior is a seething cauldron of death and destruction seeking out the innocent.
I am really concerned with Rick’s apparent inability to walk away from or even see the trap being laid for him. In fact, he just walks further into it while they shut and lock the door behind him.
I think he needs to be politically wiser than this if he intends to win the general election. Certainly, he can get conservative support on issue such as these, but I personally do not know how this stuff will aid him in the general.
If his interviewers continue to direct him down this path, then he needs to redirect the interviewer. He is being painted as a zealot.
I have a question for YOU.
Why are you so interested in meddling in our US elections, Marguerite? It’s one thing to be interested, it’s another to come on EVERY Santorum thread and ridicule him.....post after post after post.
Spend some time around the cancer wards of the VA hospitals. There's a lot of guys in there that say they always believed they'd be able to "take care of it myself if it comes to that". Problem is many find themselves in a hospital with no gun.
The problem is USUALLY solved by a family member in the final hours...when all restrictions on "the button" are removed...almost ceremoniously... by the nurse.
If folks count this as euthanasia then it's likely 10% or more of all deaths in the USA are euthanasia. And very, very few people would eliminate this protocol.
Instead of wasting your time online counting the dead in Netherlands, WATCH THIS to learn what’s to be done in order to redress America’s prosperity, personal freedom and the country greatness:
http://electad.com/videos/newt-gingrich-town-hall-at-oru-tulsa-oklahoma-february-20-2012/
Most Dutch are blissfully unaware of that differentiation in their laws regarding ethnic counting. Their immigration laws for Indonesians differ depending on whether or not your pa was Dutch or Indonesian.
Here we have a Dutch defender who does not want anybody to notice that EUTHANASIA is a considerably different act than ASSISTED SUICIDE, and certainly of a whole different order from INVOLUNTARY EUTHANASIA.
No civilized nation should allow involuntary euthanasia (aka MURDER) to go unpunished. Actually no nation that wants to be thought civilized should allow physicians to kill their patients.
He’s ridiculing himself. It makes easier for anyone to laugh at him.
‘Schadenberg also said a 2007 report showed about 10 percent of all deaths in The Netherlands were related to terminal sedation. “Many of those deaths were caused by dehydration, due to the physician sedating the patient and then withholding hydration until death occurs, which usually takes 10 [to] 14 days,” he said.’
http://erlc.com/article/life-digest-dutch-euthanasia-cases-increase/
From a prior post... these must be the HOMICIDES Santorum is referring to.
This is precious, coming from someone who knows how do do nasty better than most.
Kiss your man Newt for me, next time you see him.
None of the people I am speaking of need jobs. My brother and his circle of friends did things right, and they are well to do as a result, they are in the 1%.
What they are looking for is someone they are comfortable voting for, and as much as I HATE to say this, that person right now is Mitt Romney. However, it doesn’t look like Romney is going to get the nomination at this time, so if it’s Rick, he is going to have to do something to calm their concerns about how he comes across on social issues.
I’m not sure how that is done, but I know he isn’t doing it now.
I am still holding out hope that Newt pulls this out somehow, because to me he comes across as the most well reasoned person able to best communicate conservative principles at this time, but for whatever reason, he is struggling.
Because the majority cannot, or will not, recall what has been documented. You have and FR has but little else in our information system has the brains, integrity or interest. They’re killers and they have the amnesia of the public going for them.
BTW, can’t side with you on Newton.
There's a line between pain control and euthanasia. Trained professionals (and the control unit behind that little pain medication button) know the difference.
What we are talking about is how many people are killed by their doctors.
Piss off, Hans. GO RICK GO!!!
Has it not once occurred to you that you are getting Santorum filtered through MSM?
That there is a coordinated effort underway by the Democrats to highlight what their liberal contracepting aborting euthanizing death-lover base fear most?
Did it not occur to you that Romney is making common cause with the Dims in order to get Santorum?
Did it not occur to you that Santorum just migt NOT be a one-trick social-issues pony but that he is being portrayed that way by his enemies
and
that
you
fell
for
it?
There was a time when FReepers prided themselves on being able to cut through the excrement and figure out “the rest of the story.”
But Newt-bots on this thread are swallowing the MSM line on this without hesitation.
What a bunch of naifs.
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